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Date: Tue. Jun. 17 2008 11:45 PM ET
Insurgents shot at Canadians soldiers in Kandahar City late Tuesday, as they passed by the site of a 27-kilogram bomb that had been found and disarmed just an hour before.
No Canadians were injured as they returned fire. About half a platoon had come under attack.
Troops are establishing themselves at areas considered to be at high-risk for insurgent attacks in the city. The heightened activity came as the Canadian military dismissed rumours of a potential offensive with with Taliban, who have apparently gathered just north in the Arghandab district.
Four plane-loads of soldiers were flown into Kandahar on Tuesday after the Taliban reportedly moved into villages in the area.
"It is clear that Kandahar City remains firmly under control of the Afghan government and its people," said Dave Corbould, battle group commander with Canada's Joint Task Force Afghanistan.
"Indeed, having just returned from the Arghandab district centre, I can tell you there were no obvious signs of insurgent activity. While this does not mean that the Taliban are not there, it just means that they don't appear to have the strong foothold they apparently claimed."
Earlier Tuesday, a NATO spokesperson also downplayed the prospect of a looming battle in the district, even as NATO was dropping leaflets there warning people to stay indoors.
Mark Laity said the coalition conducted a patrol through the area "and found no evidence that militants control the area."
However, he also said the leaflet dropped by air carries the following message: "Keep your families safe. When there is fighting near your home, stay inside while ANSF (Afghan security forces) defeat the enemies of Afghanistan."
Laity said 700 Afghan National Army troops have been moved from Kabul to Kandahar to deal with the threat.
Canadian officials in Kandahar say claims that Taliban fighters have "taken over" villages are exaggerated, although they don't dispute reports of bombed-out culverts or planted landmines.
They say the Taliban have made their presence felt in a handful of villages to frighten locals into supporting them.
Locals do appeared to be frightened. Residents of Arghandab have been fleeing as they fear a major clash between Taliban rebels, who reportedly took control of up to 10 villages on Monday, and coalition forces.
They are pulling out in the middle of grape harvest season, thus putting themselves at risk of financial ruin.
"(The Taliban) told us to leave the area within 24 hours because they want to fight foreign and Afghan troops," said Hajib Ibrahim Khan, who fled Arghandab on Tuesday.
"But within a week, we should be harvesting and we were expecting a good one. Now with this fighting we are deeply worried -- the grapes are the only source of income we have."
Arghandab, a lush farming area, sits about 15 kilometres north of Kandahar City, the second-largest city in Afghanistan.
Taliban spokesman Qari Yousaf Ahmadi told The Canadian Press in a telephone interview that more than 500 Taliban are in the Arghandab.
"We are going to start an operation by the name IBRAT, which stands for (Learn a lesson from past deeds and doings)," he said.
The Taliban have reportedly planted mines and destroyed culverts and small bridges.
Sardar Mohammad, a police officer manning a checkpoint, told The Canadian Press that four planeloads of Afghan National Army soldiers have been flown in from Kabul.
Canadian soldiers have also moved in and are awaiting the order to attack, he said.
Show of force
Ahmadi said the Taliban have burned several schools in Arghandab and are threatening anyone who works with coalition or government forces.
"As everybody knows, we have (already) killed so many people who were working with coalition forces or working with international organizations," he said.
Peter Powers, a former British counter-terrorism official, told Canada AM that this flare-up shows that a foreign military presence will be required in Afghanistan for some time to come.
Unfortunately, if one builds up foreign forces, more casualties will inevitably result, he said.
The developments in Arghandab come after a spectacular attack last Friday on Sarposa Prison in Kandahar. About 400 Taliban fighters were among those who escaped.
Omar Samad, Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada, told Canada AM that institutions like Sarposa need to be better protected. "This wasn't a professional jail. This was a building that became a jail over time," he said.
Building up such infrastructure is "still a work in progress," Samad said.
Critics have noted the jail -- whose entrance was blown apart by a Taliban truck bomb -- had mud walls and a creek running through it, with an occasional landmine floating through.
With files from The Canadian Press and The Associated Press
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element470
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Taylor
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Thank you!
CW
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Gregg
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Andrea
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Randa
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**You used the word 'God' as much as you used the word 'Soldier' ... you're logic is the same religious fanaticism of the Taliban.
The Afghan discussion is consistently different generations having different conversations: the baby boomers keep up their antiquated, irrelevant WWII mentality which doesn't apply to anything and hasn't since ... well since WWII.
The other is the younger generations trying to real solutions to complex problems and yet we spend too much energy listening the 'go get 'em boys' & 'support the troops' RUBBISH.
We failed the people of Afghanistan and they're once again being used by the Americans to fight their proxy wars except instead of the 'real enemy' being Russia, this time it's 'Muslims extremists'.
The truth is much more controversial and complicated, the United States is using us to expand their imperialist empire and to expand Israeli hegemony in the region; not to mention their Evangelical Apocolyptic fanatics.
As long as these are dynamics at play, Canada and our soldiers will accomplish nothing in Afghanistan.
RRO
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Neither of these sounds pretty but it is the reality of modern warfare and conflict resolution. Now the role of the International community is three fold. Either we side with one group, try and impose ourselves between both groups (what we Canadians call peacekeeping which usually ends with neither side trusting you) and the final option is none involvment and mediation.
Rwanda was an example of none involvment and mediation. Now some will say that this is not Rwanda, your right it wasn't but we have now offered women rights for the first time in their history, we have helped them elect and government and build a miitary. All three of these groups would be the targets of a renewed Taliban regime.
So our option now is to fight the Taliban into a corner and hope they are willing to negotiate, or we kill them all. That is what victory will have to look like. If we leave now, it will turn into an internal civil war and the death toll we have suffered will look like a drop in an ocean.
We went in, now we have a responsability and Canadians have never walked away from people in need. We take the impossible and make it happen. We only need to look at Vimy ridge. We are a small nation, but we have grit and determination that lets us do things well above our level.
Our troops want to stay, they want to finish their mission and know it is the right thing to do. So when people say support the troops that is what it means, support their desire to finish their mission, their belief that this mission is worth doing, their idea that the people of Afganistan want them their and need them their, and the idea that they are accomplishing good things.
If the media would only cover the new schools being built, the wells being dug, the roads being paved and the girls going to school for the first time. Maybe than Canadians can see why so many of us are proud of our soldiers and what they have accomplished and why the Afgan government is begging us to stay.
edward
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Mike Webster
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Ret Sgt
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Spend some time in some of these countries and see what is happening and I am sure after heaving up your dinner you will have a better understanding of why the Afghan people need us to rid their country of opression.
DCI
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And we have the BEST fighting men and women in the world!!
Canada should and will stand strong in these difficult times. ...
Sick of drivel and stupidity
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How much propaganda of 'supporting the troops' do we need to be subjected to on these stories before CTV editors permit a rational dialogue?
According the Anthony, the Taliban wants to kill Canadians; what kind of absurd madness permits this garbage to be printed?
glen gaffney
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Bob
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Andrea
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Chris
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1. "An Afghan national army soldier rapes a young boy and the boy is seen by Canadian troops afterwards with visible signs of rape trauma, his bowels and lower intestines falling out of his body."
Uhmm, the Afghan culture dictates: Women are for making babies, but Men are for fun. That young boy you referred to was 18 and prostituting himself on the popular "Man Love Thursday".
2. "Afghanistan continues as the provider of 95% of the illegal heroin... those drug trafficking war lords who currently control Afghanistan."
Obviously you ignore most of the world's news. Last year, Interpol followed shipments of Heroin out of Afghanistan and made several drug stings while following those shipments.
3. "The Afghan army, consisting mainly of troops from the Northern provinces, is inflicting atrocities on the Pashtun tribes of the South and the Canadians have been told to ignore what they see and to keep quiet."
Where is your proof? I've worked side by side with the ANA and haven't witnessed any so called atrocities. Now I've heard of men dressed in ANP uniforms do such things, but those men were captured and turned out to be Taliban forces in disguise.
So my point is, Allan, that you are great with public speaking and know how to write a good story, but you are full of it, dude.
An ex-Patricia, Calgary
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Our soldiers are not there to protect the drug traffickers at all. They're stuck in a paradoxical situation to which there is no solution...
They've been leaving the opium and marijuana farmers alone because that's their only way of life, not just for the farmers themselves, but, entire villages. They won't destroy the poppy fields or weed forests until someone finds a strain of wheat or some other viable plant to grow instead. The problem is, not many plants pay off like poppies do...
The ANA definitely needs closer scrutiny, You're absolutely right about that. Locals are more afraid of the ANA than the Taliban in many instances.
JinPem
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Jim McB
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The big brewhaha that was supposed to ensue after the prison break may not materialize as the media who thought it up may not have been a reliable source either.
A verbose list of all the things that bug these people does not make their posts more believable. They are left wing mouthpieces spouting a mantra. Their posts always say the same things, they have no new ideas to share.
There will not be a battle because all the Taliban are likely considering all the rights they have had bestowed on them by the lefties. It will likely be more convenient for them to apply for compensation so that they can concentrate on terrorizing women and children while they wait to have discussions with Liberal Senators.
They won't fight because basically they are cowards, they never pick on anyone who can match their level of violence.
JM
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Get some boys! send them to hell not back to prison!
Cambob
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Support the troops.
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Hope
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If the population is moving out this would seem to be an excellent opportunity for the military to go in and clean the place out.
Ken
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JOE HUEGLIN
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400 000 is the figure cited as necessary.
RRor
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Some how I just wouldn't trust info coming from other coaliton forces.
I think our soldiers are in for a fight and I say to them Godspeed and don't send these Taliban back to jail to be busted out again.
Send them the only message they understand.
Good luck to all of you.
Doug BC
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Hopefully there is enough developement going on to encourage the citizens of Afghanistan to side with NATO in their effort to bring some sense of law,order,and good government to the whole country. No amount of military presence will succeed until they win over the majority of the people who call Afghanistan home.
I think those who serve Canada over there are among the best in the world. They not only possess the training for military operations,they are also excellent in areas of diplomacy,because they actually CARE about the people.
God bless them all.
Glen_S
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Treasonous, nothing less..
Ian
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i to did a tour and i think you're embellishing our sucess over there to say the least. The people of Afghanistan do not love us, they say that when the camera's are rolling thinking they will get compensation for saying kind things about us. They see us as invaders and truthfully could care less whether we are Americans or Brits, we're all infidels to them.
Our military is very well trained so yes we will win in a direct conflict with the taliban, however, they do not stand and fight anymore and i have my doubts that we will make any real changes there even if we stayed for 100 years. I've said it before it's just good training for our troops, that is all. The people of Afghanistan will not change. This doesn't mean i do not support the troops i totally do and i am thinking of going over again, but can we make a difference in the big picture? doubtful
Mike Webster
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matthew F
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Shamaro
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I believe also, it's time to allow Taliban Jack to visit this region, with his pen and paper in hand, to hold out an olive branch to the Taliban. I'm sure as always, Jack Layton will have all the answers.
Stay safe my friends oversea, you're doing a splendid job over there.
Allan Eizinas
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Also, hundreds of Taliban fighters took over several villages in southern Afghanistan on Monday just outside of Kandahar. NATO and Afghan forces were redeploying to meet the threat. If this follows the same pattern as the other battles then the Americans will soon bomb the bejebers out of the whole area creating more Taliban martyrs, more innocent civilians slaughtered and more outraged relatives joining the Taliban.
Afghanistan continues as the provider of 95% of the illegal heroin on earth. This means that 95% of the heroin that is creating addicted zombies in Montreal, Vancouver, Halifax, Toronto and small town Ontario is making millionaires out of the war lords who govern Afghanistan. The Canadian soldiers have been ordered not to touch these opium crops and we are there to protect those drug trafficking war lords who currently control Afghanistan.
The Afghan army, consisting mainly of troops from the Northern provinces, is inflicting atrocities on the Pashtun tribes of the South and the Canadians have been told to ignore what they see and to keep quiet.
An Afghan national army soldier rapes a young boy and the boy is seen by Canadian troops afterwards with visible signs of rape trauma, his bowels and lower intestines falling out of his body.
Taliban propaganda?
No. An eyewitness account by Cpl. Travis Schouten, a Canadian soldier who served in Afghanistan from September 2006 through early 2007 and now suffers from severe post-traumatic stress disorder.
While several Canadian Forces chaplains say other soldiers have made similar claims, Department of National Defence lawyers have argued Canada isn't obliged to investigate.
Other chaplains report having been approached by several Canadian military police officers who asked for help reconciling the fact they hadn't and can’t do anything to stop abuses.
This human meat grinder is dragging Canada deeper and deeper into an embarrassing cesspool as other NATO members are quickly looking for exit strategies.
Meanwhile here in Canada we have the armchair cowboys and reality ostriches reassuring us that we are “doing the right thing”.
There is an old and wise saying; “Me against my brother, my brother and me against our cousins, and we and our cousins against the enemy.”
And we, fellow Canadians, are perceived as the enemy.
Absolute madness!!!
Jake in S'toon
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ET
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"Support the troops"...your partisan views are astounding at a time like this. If you were paying attention, Canada's role has been PRIMARILY shifted to be geared towards training, supporting, and rebuilding. However, it is my understanding that there is provision in the agreement that the CONSERVATIVES did sign and pass to deal with setbacks like this. The Conservatives, Liberals, and maybe even the Bloc (because of the troops there from Quebec), would probably support action under the circumstances...
Harper, and his cronies, are obviously guilty of their negligence when it comes to detainees and prisoners. There has been a LONG track record of failing to ensure human rights and proper detention policies/facilities. "Taliban Jack" and the Senate do have one thing right though...it WAS time to start talking to the Taliban about peace and co-operation on some level. There will be no peace without tolerance and moderation, of at least some level, on both sides. Hopefully that time will come again soon, but for now it looks like time to fight at least one more battle.
Also, after reading the story from the other day, our ROE should include intervening on a human rights basis. It's cases like THAT that turn people into Taliban sympathizers and fighters. Canadians are also there to stand up for/educate Human Rights. A-stan has been a war zone for a long, long time...and some people just have never learned any different. That being said, I do believe the general public there actually does want peace.
june in Saint John, N.B.
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An ex-Patricia, Calgary
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Peter Townsend
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There's nothing to "win" in this situati
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let's get the stopwatch out and see how long it takes before "cut and run" or "they hate our freedom!" is hauled out, or the latest fad, a highly dubious WW2 comparison.
We could play bingo with these irritating slogans, phrases, and tactics.
Anthony
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Support the troops.
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Chris
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YES WE CAN GET THE TALIBS!!!!
I've been on tour of duty there. We kicked ass then and we are still kicking ass now. You watch what we can do. The people of Afghanistan know what we can do, and they love us for it.
Like I said in yesterday's comments, we are not Americans. We are not Soviets. We are Canadians!!! We do what other Nations thought to be impossible. WE WIN!!!
David in Ontario
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