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Date: Mon. Feb. 23 2009 6:33 PM ET
The Canadian military is launching an investigation after an Afghan elder accused Canadian Forces of leaving behind an unexploded shell that killed two boys.
According to a Panjwaii district elder, the boys were killed by a Canadian rocket in the Mohammed Bin Rashid Village -- about 15 kilometres outside the city.
The exact circumstances of the incident are not clear but local reports say the children may have found a shell left behind from a firing exercise.
Military Spokesman Maj. Mario Couture confirmed Monday that Canadian troops were in the area on Sunday conducting firing exercises.
However, Couture said the troops followed standard procedure and swept the fields before leaving.
"We do have very strict policies that prohibit leaving behind any unexploded ordinance," Couture told reporters at Kandahar Air Field.
He said the military makes every effort to ensure the "safety of Afghan civilians" and Canadian soldiers.
"Small arms qualified personnel conducted detailed examination of the range sites prior to departing and to make sure the range area was completely safe for Canadians and local village members and infrastructure," he said.
Still, he said a probe was being launched by the National Investigative Service.
"This area is known -- at least by us and I assume it's probably the case for the residents -- it's littered with all kinds of unexploded ordinance and mines," Couture said.
He also expressed his sadness over the deaths.
"Obviously as a parent myself when situations like that occur I can always think of my own children and I can't help but thinking about the families who are devastated by such a tragedy -- young children robbed of their youth so young."
Afghan National Police Gen. Matiullah Qati blamed the Taliban for the incident on Monday.
"We have seen the area and the wreckage of the mortar. It is actually a land mortar which is shot by the Taliban not (NATO) or Afghan officials," Matiullah said.
"It is a tragedy for these Afghan people who have lost their loved ones, but I blame the Taliban for shooting these kind of rockets which bring civilian casualties."
Meanwhile, a group of angry Afghans chanting "Death to Canada" protested in Monday outside the provincial council office in Kandahar city.
At the protest, the bloodied bodies of the two boys were displayed on the back of a small, wooden taxi.
Along with "Death to Canada," many of the protesters also chanted "Death to America."
The elder claims three children were also wounded by the rocket.
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waynestunes
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WEB Calgary
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Dave NS
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JKF
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This type of deceitful activity is standard procedure for the terrorists; given the certainty of the elder(s) that it was a CF UXO, this incident is a fabrication; because to be so certain, extensive tests and processing of the site and sharpnell is required; the elder(s) would have neither the tools nor the knowledge to determine factually the origin of the UXO.
Unfortunately it will be very difficult to change people's views. No matter what the findings.
The procedures for the accounting of munitions, lives and duds, are so stringent that this incident, I have a confidence level of 99.9999, is most probably a fabrication staged by the terrorists.
In a country at war, projectiles can be procured from many sources, past battlefields, and most likely an IED destroyed combat vehicle.
Terribly sad for the families and the two children, that lost their lives; our hearts go out to them.
Don
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Stop the lying and stop the dying.
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It is a mission of imperialist aggression by the USA using its flunkey NATO nations such as Canada.
Tony Chevalier
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RH in Kingston
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"What is the point?" Are you kidding?? I'll tell you what the point of constantly screaming "we support our troops"is...quite simply, to affirm our support!!!
Everytime the media shows a negative story about Afghanistan, people come out of the woodwork to say we shouldn't be there & etc. Some of us recognize, that this deeply affects the moral of our troops and we need to show those troops that we still support them regardless.
So...let those who need to confirm their support for the troops, do it when and however many times they wish to without making it out to be a negative thing. One would think that support of any kind for anyone would be a positve thing.
I would hope that we will still support our troops if there is no war,
afterall,they have still made the commitment to give their lives for our people and country regardless if in war and peace times
Bob Clark @ KC-BBY
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Neo Cynic
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CHAD
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to protect civilians for shells and bullet, even our own.
M.Smith
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dave
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LONG LIVE CANADA'S TROOPS!!!
The Taliban are done for...
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This is a new twist for the insurgency.
In 2003 to 2007 the had the spring offensives and face to face confrontations with our troops. They stopped because we kicked their buts.
In 2008 no more direct confrontations but roadside bombs and I.E.D.'s They will stop soon as they are infective.
For 2009? A spring offensive? No.
IED campaign? Not as much as 2008.
New Taliban strategy?
An aggressive "public awareness campaign"
can't defat the troops? Spread rumours that Canadians are now baby killers. Oldest trick out there...
Who has any doubts that the Taliban did not force poor villagers with a bribe to do that small scale demonstration?
Kids die everyday over there...
Sean
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Wes
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Paul from Manitoba
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I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE COMMENT YET THAT WOULD SUGGEST A COMPREHENSIVE ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION TO THE SITUATION IN THAT COUNTRY.
To all those who say it's none of our business to help another country in need:
OUR CONSTITUTION (AND THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION) IS FOUNDED ON THE PRINCIPLE OF HELPING THOSE LESS FORTUNATE THAN OURSELVES. SHOULDN'T THIS PRINCIPLE BE ACTED UPON WITH A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE AS WELL?
Paul Alastair
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Retired Troop.
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As for the anti-military types in our own country; they'll never be happy. Just ignore their crap and eventually they'll get tired and go ... elsewhere.
Tono
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In the Korean War, enemy troops referred to Canadians as 'Americans'...
Pinger
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KC - BBY
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" I won't care what you say about our troops, because those of us who live in Canada "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!"
I'm an ex-soldier and Canadian and won't be leaving Canada anytime soon especially leaving it to be run into the ground by a bunch of yahoo's. I joined for the guns and bombs and when that was out of my system I decided to move on to make money in the private sector. Never in my career in the military I thought I was risking my life. I was invincible. No bravado. No fear. Explaines why youth is ever so present in the military. Age, apparently, gives us a sense of mortality and fear. I support the troops because they were kids like me -DUH! I don't support the Bush's and the Harpers because they are just bad people.
John Ex-NCO CFB.
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as I wrote. this was a booby trap gone wrong. T.B. 'S don't care about life as we see it. they will stoop to a very low spot to achieve their objective. Inflict as many causality as possible to induce surrender, which the way I was trained will not happen.
lock and load. you see only the clothes, you do not know the person ,weather it be friend or foe.
Lost Cause
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Not to downplay the seriousness of this tragedy, but the article does insinuate that these boys "found" the munition as opposed to accidentally stepping on it without knowing. A parent here in Canada couldn't really go screaming "death to the electrical company" if their kid tried to climb hydro pole and got zapped... you have to watch out for what your kids do and teach them as best you can to avoid the life threatening dangers in their midst.
Even if Canada did somehow leave a munition lying around, which would be very bad form, this unfortunate incident would fall more into the category of a tragic accident than anything else. It's not like the Afghan boys were fired on, so considering all the other bad things going on in Afghanistan right now, this hardly seems like a reasonable rallying cry for "death to Canada". I'm no supporter of this mission but something feels very fishy about this story.
People chanting "Death to Canada" is not good either way. Hopefully this isn't a major sign of the times over there.
RIP to the tragically killed Afghan kids. That's awful.
BeenThereDoneThat
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buffalojump
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Please go and stop this war. You will be my hero because you have the solution and will have the Taliban listening and agreeing with you and agree to peace.
Please, please prove your point. I want you to be successful.
A mascarade is on!
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Public inquiries are the only way to get to the truth but they will never agree to it. Worst than politician and just about as efficient!
Goldens
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Just wondering
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Captain Jon Hamilton
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This is a classic Taliban tactic. This is their information campaign against us and those reacting negatively towards the mission in Afghanistan are falling for it. This type of reaction is of course what the Taliban want. Lets stop, take a deep breath and look at a few facts first:
1. Canadian soldiers are unlikely to “leave behind” their own unexploded ordinance. This would be a foolish thing to do, as the Taliban like to make IEDs from whatever materials they can get their hands on. Why would we give them the resources to do so?
2. Are these local villagers munitions experts? Can they tell the difference between old Soviet munitions and Canadian ones? Based on Afghan education statistics, these villagers are likely illiterate; I doubt they could read the markings on the side or a “shell”. Besides, it is not like they are stamped with a “Made in Canada” label that is translated into Pashtu.
3. The Taliban plant IEDs. Not Canadian soldiers. It is more reasonable to believe that the Taliban placed an IED to be used at Canadian forces. How do we know now that it is Canadian munitions? I thought it blew up?
4. Think you have economic problems? Look at the average Afghan situation. “Dirt poor” is describing it nicely. If they cry foul that this is a result of coalition force action, they will likely be compensated for it. Yes folks, when people are destitute they will even use the deaths of children to try to alleviate the starvation and suffering of other family members.
We have a wonderful education system here in Canada. Do not try to prove otherwise by making invalid or ridiculous statements. For those who have expressed support for our mission, I thank you very much.
DGS YYC
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Sherry Katrina
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Bob Clark
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Albert
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Brad
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Oh what a world we have made. :-(
Bunny
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God bless our troops.
Randy, London
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Is our involvement in Afghanistan really going to change the culture? I hope so, but this report makes me doubt it.
Paul from Manitoba
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david
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Justin
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Steve
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T-Rex
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Peter in Edmonton
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an ounce of prevention
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President of Arndt Foundation
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To those who call for our withdrawal, I hope you like walking side by side with the Taliban. To those who support our men and woman, remember the fallen and please continue to honor their sacrifice. The did so believing in what they did, we can only believe in them who see the whole picture.
Jim fr Hamilton
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Tori
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I cannot imagine our troops leaving a shell behind. They know how many were shot, they know how many exploded and they pick them up accordingly. I cannot see them being so careless as to leave a mortar shell lying around. Our military has rules to follow and they are very strict.
The sad thing is, even if it is proven that the Canadian troops were not to blame, the war torn civilians of Afghanistan will not understand.
God Bless our troops. I hope all that are there stay safe and come home healthy.
KC-BBY
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darren
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Tim
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Rick in NB
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Yet the elder of the district chose to berate the Canadians. Makes me wonder what Afganistan wants the most. The Taliban or us.
Bob H fr Petawawa
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That should be the "chant" or "Rant" "Long live the Canadians", Troops, feel bad for the loss of life yes, but never waver in your committment to your task.
We STILL SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!!
MHB
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