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Date: Fri. Feb. 8 2008 9:35 PM ET

Officials haven't yet confirmed that French troops will bolster Canadian soldiers fighting in southern Afghanistan, but there are signs indicating the decision has already been made.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay has confirmed Canadian officials are meeting with their French counterparts in Paris and said the countries are discussing "logistics."

"We knocked on a lot of doors and some of them opened," MacKay told reporters. "France is one of those countries, now that we're going to continue to have some discussions about logistically how we can make it happen."

CTV's Tom Kennedy, reporting Friday from a meeting of NATO defence ministers in Vilnius, Lithuania, said the decision seems to have been made.

"Even though it's not being said officially, all indications are that there has been a breakthrough of some sort. And this delegation... that's in Paris talking things over with the French government, the emissary says they're not talking about whether or not France is going to send troops to help out the Canadian soldiers, they're now talking logistics," Kennedy told CTV Newsnet.

Canada has given its NATO allies until April to drum up the troops. But French officials have said its doubtful a firm commitment could be made by that time.

Nonetheless, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been working the phones to get NATO allies on board to commit more troops.

On Friday, he phoned the prime minister of the Netherlands. He informed Jan Peter Balkenende about the Manley report and its recommendation that NATO allies need to supply more soldiers for the Afghan mission if Canada is to stay in that country beyond 2009.

The call followed recent converstations with U-S President Bush, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai recently said he was "not sure that sending more troops is the right answer." But the country's ambassador to Canada assured CTV's Mike Duffy Live that the government believes a NATO presence is necessary and appreciates the commitment by countries such as Canada.

"We haven't reached the stage where we should discuss withdrawal or an endgame to this mission," Omar Samad said on Friday. "The job still continues, and it is not done until we reach certain things, certain benchmarks."

He said such benchmarks include the establishment of the Afghan army, police and the independence of government institutions.

Samad said while the army continues to grow and strengthen, the police service has remained in turmoil.

"We tried, for the past three or four years, to bring some reform. That didn't get the desired results, we're starting again," he said.

Harper has said he will only extend Canada's combat role in Afghanistan beyond the February 2009 deadline if NATO countries come up with another 1,000 troops to help out in the south.

Kennedy said reaching the 1,000 troop mark could be a problem.

"Canada has said 1,000. One figure we're hearing in the back rooms here is France is talking about maybe 700, so there may be a bit of a hole left to fill," he said.

There is no word whether those would be new troops, or whether French troops already stationed in Afghanistan will be redeployed to the volatile south.

Kennedy also said that if France transfers troops who are providing security in northern Afghanistan, other countries would have to fill that gap.

France has just under 2,000 troops stationed in Afghanistan.

French Defence Minister Herve Morin said French President Nicolas Sarkozy would announce any final decisions.

On Friday, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer continued to appeal for volunteers to bolster Canadian troops.

"Optimism is not enough. It needs concrete action to become reality," he told the gathered defence ministers.

Denmark's minister has expressed sympathy for Canada's position, but their troops are already engaged in other parts of Afghanistan's dangerous south.

Poland said on Thursday that it would not provide troops but that a previous offer to supply two Mi-17 transport helicopters still stands.

So far, Germany, Italy, Spain and France have also refused to position their troops for a combat role in Afghanistan.

Kennedy said a more sympathetic government could take power in Italy following an April election.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday that anger over the U.S. invasion of Iraq could be the reason why some European allies are reluctant to send more combat troops to Afghanistan.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Roger
said

What ticks me off about all this is France suggesting that they are "helping Canada out". Huh?... Isn't this a NATO mission that just about every major leader in the world publically supported and agreed with fully? Why hasn't there been a troop rotation in the south? Why haven't countries like Germany, France and Japan contributed with something other than money and medical support? If you ask me these leaders should be chastised by Canada for being all talk and no action.

Then as many have mentioned... 1000 troops isn't going to do much. Why can't NATO send in 20,000 or so? What does NATO do if it says one thing but can't back it up?

The Taliban hang on knowing that their efforts are working and countries are afraid to send their own troops. However a super surge would really deflate the Taliban and speed up the process of rehabilitaing that country giving the people there, including the disillusioned Taliban fighters, hope for the future with jobs and homes.

I support extending the mission but only if other nations contribute with troops in the dangerous areas. The fact that Canada has to go around and "knock on doors" and ask for some extra troops is ridiculous.

NATO should just disband because it doesn't seem capable of confronting too much anymore.


MRM
said

Since the actual commitment is 700 paratroopers plus logistical support, in other words a 1000 soldier + battle group, this will satisfy the min troop increase demanded in the Manley Report. The Norwegians and Poles are also going provide helicopters along with French helicopters so the lift requirements will also be met. This increase in strength and capability will allow us to have “eyes in the sky” so we will be much better informed about what is going on the ground and to respond to troubled areas quicker. As well we will now be able to actually hold the ground that we take. I agree that there should be more but this is the minimum that was needed. It is ironic that of all of the major NATO members it was the French who responded as they are only a “part time” member of NATO. In fact they do not belong to the military part of the alliance at all.


Michael
said

Having the French working with the Canadian French seems logical to me.


GJS
said

1000 more troops from whatever source still does not allow for us to rotate our troops out of combat and into development, training and re-construction.

For Afghanistan to really benefit from what all countries have contributed to this point from the counter-insurgency is for us to help them establish a strong and robust infrastructure and an economy based on something other than popies.


Murray
said

As the old saying goes, Don't count your troops till they arrive.
I hope they do, but seeing is believing.

Ont éspere toujours.


winston06
said

NATO stands for Need America To Operate


R
said

Hopefully they will be "Outside the wire" combat troops. There are already plenty officers and non combatants filling up Kandahar Airfield. We need more boots on the ground outside the wire! All help offered over there will be needed, we are still in for a long haul.


Edward
said

Viva la France! I would be very pleased to have the French work next to our Canadian troops. If I am not mistaken, Poland has also expressed the possibility of sending troops as well. This response to our government's call for more troops is a tribute to how some countries in Nato value our troops efforts. Clearly Liberals in France are not the same as in Canada, they have a spine.


GW
said

It's so uplifting to see our French allies step up and help us out.

Vive la France!




Bootsa
said

DW article on German participation:
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3115236,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-top-1022-rdf


Olivier Casenave
said

My friends, don't forget that France has already more than 10.000 troops in overseas operations (2700 in Ivory Coast, 1500 in Tchad, 2000 in Kosovo...). It is an heavy burden ; commiting some 700 or 1000 additional troops is quite a challenge.
To those who say that France is reluctant to send troops in "turbulent" areas, please have a look at this map : http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/content/download/98960/872982/file/CARTE.pdf


a CF member from London, ON
said

im very happy to see the french actually commit like this, i dont think this would be possible if it wasnt for Sarkozky (french pm) you'll probably see the french give more then 1000, maybe other countries will commit more also and we'll see a force exceed 1000, which will be very nice for the Canadian contingent, with the extra forces its not a matter of more troops to fight, but more of more troops to hold the ground we gain, so then we'll fully be able to take control of Kandahar province, cause right as it stands its the canadian who go out and fight the taliban, but with our small force we cant hold the ground we gain, with the extra troops we will now be able to hold it so the re-developement can start, hooah and merci to the french


Watchdog
said

It is great that France has finally decided (it seems) to step-up to their responsibilities to their NATO allies -- they have certainly benefited from allied support in the past and is about time they acknowledged that debt!

As for other reluctant Nato allies -- what is your excuse? What is it about the concept of mutual support do you not understand?

Unlike the action in Iraq, the Afgan conflict is justified and necessary, and there is no alternative but to combat the Taliban if this mission is going to come to a successful conclusion.

As an NDP supporter, I am ashamed that Layton continually denounces this mission (although I aggree with most of his social policies). And, as much as I despise Harper and disagree with nearly everything he has said and done in office, on this issue I have to agree (although his partisan bullying tactics are increasingly disturbing).

The US is partially responsible for the state of affairs in Afganistan, as they diverted their attention to the illegitimate action in Iraq that has further destabilized the region. They should at least provide the equipment necessary for those who have remained to finish what they started.

Afganistan cannot be rebuilt if it is still a war zone. Nor can we back out of our duty to see through what we started (and since when has any war had a scheduale? Its over when it is over!).


Chris
said

Let's not get too excited... it's all talk still.


Ted
said

France opted out of NATO a long time ago as I recall. They are under no treaty obligations to send any troops anywhere. What's in it for them? That's the question.


Real
said

Seem that a lot of NATO countries are quite happy with the security NATO offers but are quite unwilling to fight for it. Get rid of them.


LS
said

If this is a go then kudos to the French for stepping up to the plate. We need more countries to do the same.

Tipper
said

Just curious, does condition in the John Manley report include the duration of mission for those 1000 additional troops? Are they required to stay until the job is done? Or is it up to the contributing NATO countries to pull out after a one year rotation?
Furthermore, if those are their existing troops in Afghanistan being redeployed to the south, are there caveats that they can be redeployed yet again away from the south? For example, if justification is made in the near future for them to be sent back to the north again.


Kevin
said

Having spent time working with French Commandos in Europe during the 80's I can tell everyone here that 700 French paratroopers will be far more effective than 1000 general infantry soldiers and an excellent compliment to Canadian Infantry which just happen to be some of the best soldiers in the world. This is great news for Canada,France,Nato and Afghanistan. The Taliban/Pakistanis are going to have to bleed alot more now to carry out their murderous ways.
"HE WHO DARES TRY WINS" French Commando motto.
Stay Strong Boys!!!


J-F (Ottawa)
said

It's a welcomed and necessary gesture to have the French send in some troops.

Hopefully other countries will follow suit.


jill
said

It's about time !
I will however say, merci.!


Brian
said

Since Harper made Canada's continued role in southern Afghanistan conditional on 1,000 more troops from other NATO countries, it seems that some people think thats all it will take to defeat the Taliban.

Dream on. As it's being fought now, we can never win; Canadian lives are being sacrificed to appease the Americans. Sad - and stupid.


larry
said

I'm a little surprised to see the French consider getting into this fight... and really hoping that the final decision is a go!

I guess their new leader really is a break from the past French leaders. Maybe he actually is a realist with some real guts.


John
said

Good troops with experience. They should compliment the Canadian contingent.


GRH
said

Also check out Le Monde. It is one of the top stories.


Dean
said

What has NATO become? Is it an "old boys club"? It was set up to be a group of "allied" countries who would help each other when required. What happened to that premise? Perhaps it's time to disband it and let the chips fall where they may.


DCI
said

We should stand up a salute all of these soldiers. They are putting their lives on the line to help people in need. Bravo to the French for stepping up. NATO must get moving foreward and demand that troops be sent by allied NATO countries.




Tom
said

If this is a winnable situation it will take a lot more than 1000 extra troops and a few more helicopters. I have my doubts that 500,000 troops would be sufficent. Unless there is a change of government or government policy we will bogged down in Afganistan for a very long time. Much like the Yanks are bogged down in Iraq. We can thank american foreign policy and the Bush administration/oil barons for promoting the war on terror.
Tom


Shamaro
said

Although in the past I have criticized France and some of their foreign policies, I would like to applaud them for making a commitment to Canada in helping us in our combat roll in Afghanistan. A 1000 troops is only a start now all the rest of our so called allies such as Germany, Italy and Spain should step up to the plate and start pulling their weight within the NATO alliance. Merci France.


Ro - Toronto
said

Hey Joe,

Take a look at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7234398.stm


DCG
said

Joe: See BBC news. One of the major news network in the world.


Michael
said

It would be good if the French step up to meet their responsibilities but the larger problem remains that other NATO members are cheating. They should realize blatant cheating projects a pathetic image of themselves and their own societies.


Robert from Belleville
said

I find it intriguing that one of the most liberal countries in the world is the first to come to the aid as a true ally would

Also this will at least shut up the NDP and Bloc Quebecois who continue to demean the nessecity for Canada to be in Afghanastan

I say to the French *MERCI*


Joe
said

There isn't a word of this on any French news sites.

Tory spin and the Canadian news media lapping up crumbs.


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