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Date: Fri. Feb. 8 2008 9:35 PM ET
Officials haven't yet confirmed that French troops will bolster Canadian soldiers fighting in southern Afghanistan, but there are signs indicating the decision has already been made.
Defence Minister Peter MacKay has confirmed Canadian officials are meeting with their French counterparts in Paris and said the countries are discussing "logistics."
"We knocked on a lot of doors and some of them opened," MacKay told reporters. "France is one of those countries, now that we're going to continue to have some discussions about logistically how we can make it happen."
CTV's Tom Kennedy, reporting Friday from a meeting of NATO defence ministers in Vilnius, Lithuania, said the decision seems to have been made.
"Even though it's not being said officially, all indications are that there has been a breakthrough of some sort. And this delegation... that's in Paris talking things over with the French government, the emissary says they're not talking about whether or not France is going to send troops to help out the Canadian soldiers, they're now talking logistics," Kennedy told CTV Newsnet.
Canada has given its NATO allies until April to drum up the troops. But French officials have said its doubtful a firm commitment could be made by that time.
Nonetheless, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has been working the phones to get NATO allies on board to commit more troops.
On Friday, he phoned the prime minister of the Netherlands. He informed Jan Peter Balkenende about the Manley report and its recommendation that NATO allies need to supply more soldiers for the Afghan mission if Canada is to stay in that country beyond 2009.
The call followed recent converstations with U-S President Bush, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy.
Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai recently said he was "not sure that sending more troops is the right answer." But the country's ambassador to Canada assured CTV's Mike Duffy Live that the government believes a NATO presence is necessary and appreciates the commitment by countries such as Canada.
"We haven't reached the stage where we should discuss withdrawal or an endgame to this mission," Omar Samad said on Friday. "The job still continues, and it is not done until we reach certain things, certain benchmarks."
He said such benchmarks include the establishment of the Afghan army, police and the independence of government institutions.
Samad said while the army continues to grow and strengthen, the police service has remained in turmoil.
"We tried, for the past three or four years, to bring some reform. That didn't get the desired results, we're starting again," he said.
Harper has said he will only extend Canada's combat role in Afghanistan beyond the February 2009 deadline if NATO countries come up with another 1,000 troops to help out in the south.
Kennedy said reaching the 1,000 troop mark could be a problem.
"Canada has said 1,000. One figure we're hearing in the back rooms here is France is talking about maybe 700, so there may be a bit of a hole left to fill," he said.
There is no word whether those would be new troops, or whether French troops already stationed in Afghanistan will be redeployed to the volatile south.
Kennedy also said that if France transfers troops who are providing security in northern Afghanistan, other countries would have to fill that gap.
France has just under 2,000 troops stationed in Afghanistan.
French Defence Minister Herve Morin said French President Nicolas Sarkozy would announce any final decisions.
On Friday, NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer continued to appeal for volunteers to bolster Canadian troops.
"Optimism is not enough. It needs concrete action to become reality," he told the gathered defence ministers.
Denmark's minister has expressed sympathy for Canada's position, but their troops are already engaged in other parts of Afghanistan's dangerous south.
Poland said on Thursday that it would not provide troops but that a previous offer to supply two Mi-17 transport helicopters still stands.
So far, Germany, Italy, Spain and France have also refused to position their troops for a combat role in Afghanistan.
Kennedy said a more sympathetic government could take power in Italy following an April election.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Friday that anger over the U.S. invasion of Iraq could be the reason why some European allies are reluctant to send more combat troops to Afghanistan.
With files from The Canadian Press
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Roger
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Then as many have mentioned... 1000 troops isn't going to do much. Why can't NATO send in 20,000 or so? What does NATO do if it says one thing but can't back it up?
The Taliban hang on knowing that their efforts are working and countries are afraid to send their own troops. However a super surge would really deflate the Taliban and speed up the process of rehabilitaing that country giving the people there, including the disillusioned Taliban fighters, hope for the future with jobs and homes.
I support extending the mission but only if other nations contribute with troops in the dangerous areas. The fact that Canada has to go around and "knock on doors" and ask for some extra troops is ridiculous.
NATO should just disband because it doesn't seem capable of confronting too much anymore.
MRM
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Michael
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GJS
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For Afghanistan to really benefit from what all countries have contributed to this point from the counter-insurgency is for us to help them establish a strong and robust infrastructure and an economy based on something other than popies.
Murray
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I hope they do, but seeing is believing.
Ont éspere toujours.
winston06
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R
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Edward
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GW
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Vive la France!
Bootsa
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http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,3115236,00.html?maca=en-rss-en-top-1022-rdf
Olivier Casenave
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To those who say that France is reluctant to send troops in "turbulent" areas, please have a look at this map : http://www.defense.gouv.fr/ema/content/download/98960/872982/file/CARTE.pdf
a CF member from London, ON
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Watchdog
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As for other reluctant Nato allies -- what is your excuse? What is it about the concept of mutual support do you not understand?
Unlike the action in Iraq, the Afgan conflict is justified and necessary, and there is no alternative but to combat the Taliban if this mission is going to come to a successful conclusion.
As an NDP supporter, I am ashamed that Layton continually denounces this mission (although I aggree with most of his social policies). And, as much as I despise Harper and disagree with nearly everything he has said and done in office, on this issue I have to agree (although his partisan bullying tactics are increasingly disturbing).
The US is partially responsible for the state of affairs in Afganistan, as they diverted their attention to the illegitimate action in Iraq that has further destabilized the region. They should at least provide the equipment necessary for those who have remained to finish what they started.
Afganistan cannot be rebuilt if it is still a war zone. Nor can we back out of our duty to see through what we started (and since when has any war had a scheduale? Its over when it is over!).
Chris
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Ted
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Real
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LS
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Tipper
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Furthermore, if those are their existing troops in Afghanistan being redeployed to the south, are there caveats that they can be redeployed yet again away from the south? For example, if justification is made in the near future for them to be sent back to the north again.
Kevin
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"HE WHO DARES TRY WINS" French Commando motto.
Stay Strong Boys!!!
J-F (Ottawa)
said
Hopefully other countries will follow suit.
jill
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I will however say, merci.!
Brian
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Dream on. As it's being fought now, we can never win; Canadian lives are being sacrificed to appease the Americans. Sad - and stupid.
larry
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I guess their new leader really is a break from the past French leaders. Maybe he actually is a realist with some real guts.
John
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Ro - Toronto
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Take a look at this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7234398.stm
DCG
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Michael
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Robert from Belleville
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Also this will at least shut up the NDP and Bloc Quebecois who continue to demean the nessecity for Canada to be in Afghanastan
I say to the French *MERCI*
Joe
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Tory spin and the Canadian news media lapping up crumbs.