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Canadian Forces Gen. Raymond Henault, chairman of the NATO Military Committe, speaks during a press conference in Ottawa on Thursday, Sept. 6, 2007. Canada's Chief of Defence Staff General Rick Hillier (bottom) greets NATO Chiefs of Defence and members of NATO Military Committee and their spouses as they arrive for an overnight stop in Ottawa, Thursday Sept. 6, 2007, before heading to Victoria, B.C. Friday. (CP / Fred Chartrand)

Afghan mission about goals, not deadlines: NATO

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Date: Thu. Sep. 6 2007 3:12 PM ET

The mission in Afghanistan does not have a fixed end date, says a top NATO official, who says the goal is for Afghans to take over their own security.

"We have a requirement to ultimately help the Afghans develop those security forces and security mechanisms that will allow them to take those matters into their own hands," Canadian Gen. Ray Henault, chair of NATO's military committee, told a news conference in Ottawa on Thursday.

"There isn't a date you can set on that. It's an 'end state.'"

Henault acknowledged that Canada is only committed to its present mission in Kandahar province until February 2009.

The fate of that mission is the source of significant political controversy. Even the government is hinting that the current mission, involving about 2,500 troops, won't continue in its current configuration.

"A lot of things happen in 18 months," Henault said. "We're certainly hopeful Canada will find a way to continue to operate in Afghanistan."

The general also noted that the Netherlands are also engaging in debate about whether to maintain a combat presence in Afghanistan. Dutch troops currently operate in Uruzgan province, immediately north of Kandahar province.

"The Dutch have been marvellous ... they have done some great work," he said.

About 1,500 Dutch troops are operating in Afghanistan. That country's mission will end in August 2008 if the Dutch Parliament doesn't vote in favour of an extension.

NATO does have a planning process that's looking at how missions can be maintained using member countries' troops, he said.

NATO military chiefs are meeting in Ottawa today. They will be holding a conference in Victoria, B.C., to discuss future strategy.

The chiefs of defence from all 26 NATO countries meet three times a year -- twice in Brussels and once in a host nation.

Gen. Rick Hillier, Canada's chief of defence staff, is the official host of the conference.

The delegates, who number more than 100, are meeting to help develop a long-term, strategic perspective on alliance operations and capabilities.

The strategy sessions are important to help build consensus on what advice to provide NATO's civilian decision-making body -- the North Atlantic Council (NAC).

The Military Committee must provide consensus-based advice to NAC before any NATO military action or activities are approved.

Meanwhile, protesters opposed to NATO are planning demonstrations throughout the weekend, timed to coincide with the summit in Victoria.

Joan Russow, of the Global Compliance Research Project, told The Canadian Press that she's urging protesters to condemn NATO for its "destruction of the planet (and) ongoing violations of international laws.''

A mass rally is planned for noon on Saturday at the B.C. legislature.

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John
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You guys can't see the forest for the trees. You keep calling it America's war, when the whole world can see that it is all our war. Just ask the British and Spanish among others. 69 Canadian soldiers have been killed since 2003, which is a tragedy, but let's not forget how many civilians have been killed by the Taliban, the Baath party and Al-Qaeda. We can sit here in our safe Canada with our heads in the sand or we can join to world community and combat terrorism before it hits Canadian soil. The people of Afghanistan appreciate what NATO and Canada are doing and our role as PEACEKEEPERS is long gone. We need to obtain peace before it can be kept! So keep on thinking that we are simply George W's puppets and watch while we endure our own 911 someday!


Jon
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Well judging from these comments it appears what I think I see everyday that Canadian have turned into a selfish bunch of ungreatfull snotty people for the most part. After going to Bosnia twice in the 1990's I swore I wouldn't complain about anything again, perhaps a few of you poeple should visit a war zone and you might think twice about your comments.

It is good thing that pre-world war two Canada wasn't made up of the people making comments here.

Shame on you, plain selfish.


Deny
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There hasn't been "peace and security" in Afghanistan in a long, long time. way before we got involved, and it'll be a war torn and insecure place way after we leave. Why is Canada shouldering the burden of combat by itself? Where are the other major NATO partners? 70 service members is blood enough. We've paid our dues, it's time to come home and allow another country to take up the responsibility of fighting America's War.


Catherine Forks
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Canada's has a reputation for keeping it's word to the international community, therefore, we must continue our mission regardless how it changes. Former Prime Minister Chretien sent our soldiers to Afghanistan in 2001, under a UN sponsored mission led by NATO.
Paul Martin moved our troops from Kabul to the more volatile region in the south in Nov. 2005.
Stephen Harper with full approval from Parliament
had no choice but, to extend the mission. He had been in government less than 3 months.


ron
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There is this believe that we are going to meet our goals in Afghanistan. What goals? Those of the Generals and their leaders (the politicians) personal goals and not those of the people they should be thinking of protecting first and maybe trying to represent.

This weeks report leaked to the Globe and Mail has pointed out Canada in not on their agenda for protecting or not a goal they can achieve at this time. Would Canada not come first in their personal interests?

Only things they seem to be interested in are the American agendas that we conveniently title NATO or coalition goals.

We can change this by voting for anyone, but a Conservative.


Mark Brooks, Ontario
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We can do what is easy, or what is right. I know that we are making a difference. It will take a long time, and is won't be easy, and mistakes will be made. I am sure that if you gave the average Afgan the choice between the Taliban, and the NATO liberation,they will choice the liberation every time. I just love it whan people compare Canada's role to the occupation by the USSR. It shows how little they understand, and how politically blinded they are. Keep up the good work Canada. We should be very proud of our soldiers, and our nation!


Dave
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It’s a sad state of affairs in this country when the prevailing attitude is to cut and run when things get tough. Every Canadian death is a tragedy in its own right and my deepest sympathy goes out to the families of fallen soldiers. But to just turn our backs on the Afghan people after pledging to help them is disgusting. Also it’s a slap in the face to all the men and women who have served there country in Afghanistan. This defeatist attitude is way too prevalent in our society. I’d dare to say it borders on cowardice. Canadian troops should remain in Afghanistan as long as it takes. You can't run and put your head in the sand and pretend that those extremists are just going to go away. If we don't fight them there, we will see them here.


dan
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Does everyone not realize that when combat troops leave the Taliban will again treat females like dogs. Canada has not played a major combat role since the Korean war and it is time we made are presence felt in world affairs.


Al
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But we're not there to defeat anyone, we're there to help the majority of Afganis who, because of us and other countries are experiencing freedoms and choices that were never available to them before. We CAN'T defeat anybody! because our military was ignored by the Liberals for years and now we're having trouble, even defending ourselves so we can do what Canadians have always done, which is help those who were being victimized by the brutal Taliban regime.
I say this proudly!


Martin
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Yes, let's leave. Let's prove beyond a shadow of doubt to the entire world, both our allies and our enemies that the Canada that helped defeat Nazi tyranny is dead. Lets prove to the world that in Canada when we talk about being humanitarians we hold to those ideals as long as we don't have to fight for them. We need to show the world that when we Canadians talk of human rights we mean human rights for those people who live in societies where these things are guaranteed already and we don't have to fight for them.

Take a good hard look at the worlds recent history. Think of places where international inaction fostered bloodbaths, places like The Congo and Rwanda. Look at Bosnia and Somalia where the idiocy of trying to be peacekeepers in a war zone was proven to be worse than useless.

I'm glad that the Canadian public wasn't suddenly looking for exit strategies after Dieppe.


Canadian
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With mini-Steve pulling the plug on the Commons Committee investigation that was to be undertaken shortly, how are we supposed to believe anything that comes out of this guys mouth. By doing this Harper has damaged any credibility that the NATO mission of supporting failed US foreign policy had.

We need to get out of that country and let the US deal with the mess they started and stop aligning Canada with the US - we do not need Republican money funding our politicians' campaigns.

We need, at the helm, someone who has Canadian values at heart - not U.S. ones. I do not care much for Dion either, but at least he will not be the yes man to US War of Terror and the mess and hate it is creating around the world.

ANd geeze, all I need is some military cronie telling me what Canada should be doing. The mission in Afghanistan is all about pipelines, oil and spending billions on weapons to kill. This is not leadership - this is madness Steve.

No thanks to the Tories and the lies.

Just my view.


Neil
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You can't start a job and not stay with it until it's finished. It just disgraces the brave soldiers who have already made the ultimate sacrifice and the ones who are putting their life on the line for us now. Instaead of all this petty bickering how about everyone working together to find a way to complete the task we have started so the people of Afghanistan can enjoy the way of life we all do and terrorism does end up in our backyard.


Zach
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We might be more committed to the 'end state' concept if most of our NATO allies actually decided to support the mission instead of letting a few do the work of many. And if Afghanistan's government was anything other than corrupt and unable to function.


Walter
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We should not be wimps... we should finish what we started and not back down from commitments and responsibilities we started. We can't let a handful of citizens control our country.


Thomas Chan
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I am pretty sure there is an "end-state" about Canada's role to the Afghanistan mission, whether that comes from internal political pressure, military stretching out, financial funding. Hoping to see Afganistan with a civil society one day,.....


Dana
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NATO is a stalking horse for the implementation of US foreign policy. Nothing more. Trust what they say at your peril.


Scott
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If Canada pulls out on its allies what does that say to the world? When the going gets tough...Canada leaves? We can't simply abandon the Afghan people to the ruthless Taliban again.

Yes we need combat troops there. Because Al-Qaeda and their Taliban allies seek to destroy any reconstruction plans we have. And the Taliban don't care if they we wear blue helmets or green ones, they will try to kill us anyways. Sorry to burst anybody's ideal peacekeeping bubble.


Allan Eizinas
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We are constantly being told how well we are doing, that the Taliban and the other “insurgents” are on the run. We are also being told that the Afghanistan population want us there and welcome us with open arms.

That being the case, why did this meeting not take place in Kandahar?

Would it not have been more appropriate for all of the Generals of NAYO to meet where their soldiers were also deployed?



Jonathan Sinclair
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This is exactly right. Leaving before there is peace and security for the Afghan people, and a strong independent government will only serve to swell the ranks of the taliban and al queada.

We must weigh the cost of completing the job against the cost of abandoning it and the innocent civilians who will be left behind.


GG
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Funny our government doesnt seem to want to debate this issue in parliament like the Dutch and probably every other NATO participant. Wonder why ? It is clear Canadians do not support the mission as it stands. I think Canada would accept a less engaging/conflict role..perhaps in a less volatile region of Afghanistan. Harper knows this..lets get on with it andnot keep NATO hanging either


DERON
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We can't get our kids out of Afghanistan fast enough. It is a losing battle. We should have left when the Americans decided to place Bin Ladens' capture on the back-burner because it was more important for them to place the bulk of their troops in Iraq where all of the oil is. It shows where their priorities really are. Originally, I supported the Afghan mission; now I say let the U.S. fight their imperialist oil wars without us minding the store in Afghanistan. If 'Osama Who?' is no longer a priority with them, then why should defeating the Taliban and Al-Quaida be with us?

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