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A new survey suggests Canadians and Americans have vastly divergent attitudes towards the border war that broke out in 1812 and bumbled along for three years.

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The director of development and programs at Historica-Dominion Institute discusses the different perspectives Canadians and Americans have on the border conflict.

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A new survey suggests Canadians and Americans have vastly divergent attitudes towards the border war that broke out in 1812 and bumbled along for three years.

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A new survey suggests Canadians and Americans have vastly divergent attitudes towards the border war that broke out in 1812 and bumbled along for three years.

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Date: Mon. Feb. 13 2012 11:49 AM ET

OTTAWA — The War of 1812 may be one of the world's oddest conflicts, if only because both sides are confident they won.

A new survey suggests Canadians and Americans have vastly divergent attitudes towards the border war that broke out in 1812 and bumbled along for three years.

Americans see it as a war that produced their national anthem. Canadians see it as a war which saved them from American assimilation and preserved them from American politics, gun laws and shared citizenship with Snooki of "Jersey Shore."

During the course of the war, the Americans repeatedly tried to invade and were repeatedly repulsed, by often-outnumbered mixes of British redcoats, Canadian militia and aboriginal allies.

The Ipsos Reid poll conducted for the Historica Dominion Institute for the bicentennial of the war found that 54 per cent of Canadians felt the most significant outcome was that the invaders were turned back.

Given a list of things which might define Canadian identity, 53 per cent of respondents picked universal health care, but winning the War of 1812 and squelching the American invasion was ranked second, with 25 per cent support.

Americans had a dramatically different take. For a third of them, the key outcome of the war was their national anthem. Francis Scott Key wrote the words to the Star Spangled Banner after watching a British naval bombardment of Baltimore's Fort McHenry in September 1814. A plurality of 36 per cent saw no significant outcome at all.

When the Canadians were asked what would be their great concern had the war gone the other way, 60 per cent said they wouldn't want to share the American political system.

"We agree that we do not want to be under the same politics and government system as they have in the States and we take pride in that," said Jeremy Diamond, director of development and programs for the Historica Institute

Another 18 per cent of the Canadian respondents said they didn't want American gun laws.

And six per cent said they didn't want to share citizenship with Snooki and her cohorts from "Jersey Shore".

John Wright of Ipsos Reid said the survey results reflect the development of the two countries. The War of 1812 doesn't stand out for Americans because they see other, much bigger watersheds

"The War of Independence is their touchstone for their nationhood," he said. "Ours seems to have been a gradual one."

While some might point to 1812 as a key point on the way to nationhood, others might look at Vimy Ridge, or the patriation of the Constitution.

"We don't see the 1812 war as a stand-alone piece as an American would see the War of Independence, because our nationhood has tended to be evolutionary as opposed to revolutionary."

The American view is sharply different.

"Wars don't play the most significant roles in our country because of the transitional nature of what we did, but in the United States wars play a really big part."

Diamond said, however that Canadians seem to see the war as big event.

"This is a touchstone towards Confederation, it's an important part of the story of Canada," he said.

While they differ on the main outcomes, both Canadians and Americans agreed the war is worthy of commemoration.

More than 80 per cent of respondents on both sides of the border agreed that the war was a significant part of the history of their respective countries and about the same percentage agreed that their national governments should support commemoration of the war.

The Canadian government is spending at least $28 million on the bicentennial.

Almost 90 per cent of all respondents agreed that it is important to celebrate significant historical anniversaries.

But only 58 per cent of Americans and 49 per cent of Canadians agreed that their nation is good in promoting its history.

"There's an interest in celebrating significant historical events," said Diamond.

Wright agreed, noting that a good chunk of respondents said they would take part in some event to mark the anniversary.

"When I see that 31 per cent of the Canadian public, these are adults, say that they are going to take part in celebrations dealing with this sort of thing, and activities, that means that there are 10.5 million adults out there who will probably do something in the course of this year which actually commemorates the 1812 conflict."

The country is entering a five-year period in which major anniversaries come thick and fast. This year it's the Queen's Diamond Jubilee and the War of 1812 bicentennial. Then, 2014 marks the 100th anniversary of the start of the First World War. The year after that is the 200th anniversary of the birth of Sir John A. Macdonald. And 2017 is the 150th anniversary of Confederation.

Diamond says he sees a new kind of Canadian patriotism growing, which manifested itself during the Vancouver Olympics when wearing the Maple Leaf seemed the right thing to do.

"I think that the next set of opportunities here with these commemorations are going to give Canadians that chance again," he said.

The Harper government has gone out of its way to stress the importance of Canadian history by promoting the Jubilee and the 1812 commemoration and by re-writing the citizenship test to require wider knowledge of the country's heritage.

The government is already planning the commemorations of the next few years. If the poll is right about Canadian attitudes, then it may be on to something.

The poll was conducted Jan. 26-30. It sampled 1,015 Canadians and 1,015 Americans from the Ipsos online panel. Weighting was used to balance demographics. Unweighted this poll would have a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

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Tom in Almonte
said

@Kenneth. You've got to be kidding me. The US saved us!? Please... That is the most ignorant comment I've seen on this site. WWII was fought by multiple nations in a collective effort to destroy the facists. If any nation who should take the share of the credit in defeating Germany, it was the Soviet Union. Know your facts before spouting off rubbish. Sad how Canadians believe US propoganda from the military channel...


mining guy Jim
said

Remember that there were a lot of incidents and political shennanigans that led up to this. Look up the Leopard/Chesapeake affair. Keep in mind that France was purchasing American cotton and other goods at a time when England was at war with Napoleon and that material was going to make uniforms and bandages etc for the enemy. The burning of the Capital Building, and the Virginia Dockyards was a direct punitive action for the American sacking of York (Toronto) during which they burned down the "Canadian" Parliament building, as well as other actions along the north shore of Lake Erie. I am proud that we held the line and bring it up every chance that I get, but at the same time find it humorous that my American friends think that America won, for completely different reasons. Part of what they are saying is correct, the defeat of the British blockading fleets, battle of New Orleans etc. The best part is that this war hardly registers on the British radar screen of history because they were so busy with Bonaparte that they couldn't really do much about it for the first two years. We North Americans have a far shorter history than do our ancestors in Europe, but ours has been far more dynamic and worthy of study.


Brian Fr Langley
said

We won end of story, BUT lets remember it was the Canadien's that saved the Canadians.


Ron
said

I am ashamed that I know nothing about the war of 1812. Being brought up in another country is still not really an excuse. I do plan to go the library & read up on this important part of Canadian history. I just want to add I love the States but I'm so glad we are a separate country. Canada is the greatest country in the world.


Kenneth
said

Funny how Canadians are so proud of the war of 1812. Yet If it wasn't for the USA, WW2 would have turned out a LOT different for Canada. I am a proud Canadian, but also proud to call the USA my neighbour and friend.


Canadian Bob
said

Poor Prof. Pye Chartt. Somewhat fixated on how the majority of Canadians feel about the mockery Harper and Company have made of our parliamentary system. Personally, I don't see Harper as a dictator. But then again, I don't recognize his as a Prime Minister either. As for his "majority" win, It is a "squeak" of a majority, and the Conservative's efforts to bring Canadians on board their platform of destruction was a complete and utter failure with the shift going fromLiberal to NDP. The numbers are there in black and white if you're brave enough to look them up. But cast that anger outwards, it just might take attention away from Harper's follies, past present and future. Thanks.


Cynical
said

The prof. points out that left wingers prefer our form of government over the US republic. What he fails to mention is that most left wingers also want to replace the monarchy as our head of state with an elected president - thus becoming exactly like the USA. These people must really take Orwell's term Double-think seriously.


Northern Princess
said

@Ray, maybe you should leave this country then you wouldn't have to pay taxes in a Country that has a history and wants to commemorate that history. Go somewhere where they don't have a history and don't pay taxes. Hmmm, come to think of it, every country has a history and every country pays taxes. Oh well, an island somewhere might be what you would like. No taxes, no history, no services, no medical, no education, no roads, etc. Get the picture!


Dave in Edm
said

It is a shame that people like 'prof' must use erroneous facts to make political attacks, but it is the modus operandi of the Conservative supporters and of course, the right wing media is all for posting such baloney...


Stephen
said

So history buffs ( or hopefully most of you illiterate Canadians) when were the articles of confederation signed? ooh thats right...well after 1812...the war was fought by English...your country wasnt even a glimmer in Johnny's (MacDonald) eye yet...ooh thats right too he wasnt even born yet.. No canadian fought in the war of 1812 because there was no such thing as canada or canadians, and yes england burned Washington, but dont forget.. we got Toronto.


Bob in Chatham
said

Most Americans see Canada as a land of perpetual skiing and igloos. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of them have no knowledge of the war of 1812. Outside of southern Ontario I'd also suggest that most Candians haven't a clue who Tecumseh is and no little or nothing about the war od 1812.


MsMargaret1953
said

@EdCP does not mater how much the survey cost. This was an important part of our history, and this is the bi-centennial year. Surveys take the pulse of the nation at a snap shot in time. For some it is not a no brainer or very obvious.The Historical Dominion Institute commissioned the survey, and I doubt people have even heard about it let alone know who funds it. So to say out tax dollars are being ill spent is making a huge assumption.Our history, growth and maturity as a nation is indeed made up of many events, not stand alones as it is in the USA history. It is important that we commemorate each one and take pride in that history. I love Canada with all her warts, beauty and diversity.


Alex in Edmonton
said

The war started because the United States invaded Canada. They tried to annex Canadian territory. They failed. It seems like it may be considered a draw because there were no territorial changes, but the when the original cause of the war is an invasion, it seems to me more like a defensive victory when the defender repels that invasion.


hollis reno
said

until the last few day i had never heard of the war of 1812 . i had no idea we were ever at war with the u.s. i perfere the canadian verson of these events. i am glad that we won it.


Big Bob in Ottawa
said

I share Ray in Thjunderays sentiment. 28 million to commemorate beating outr closest allies?!?? Why don't we just spit on them. I'd rather have an American system of politics than one where the Queen holds sway. We are fortunate they didn't like the weather or we'd all be yanks. Might yet if Harper keeps cozying up to communist China and they see our oil as a threat instead of a benefit. Monroe Doctrine people. They will defend this continent one way or another and we do owe them for it because with just 35 million people we can't do it ourselves.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

And when asked what form of government they believed was superior, the parliamentary or republican system, a solid majority of Canadians indicated their own...except on a related note, 99.9% of left-wingers in Canada view our parliamentary system as democratically unfair, unjust, and flawed when the Conservatives win a federal election (especially when they garner a majority), and refuse to recognize the victorious party leader as their Prime Minister, instead bitterly and angrily preferring to call him/her an "evil dictator" during obsessive rants. Both fascinating and amusing.


Mini
said

Might I add... If you really want to get your history facts correct, we as Canadians did not fight in the war of 1812. Canada did not exist until 1867... over 50 years later... It was under British control during the war of 1812... So in fact it was Britian who won against the Americans in the war of 1812. I'm totally 100% Canadian... and I do believe that this event helped strengthen our people, so please take this as a slight correction.


edCP
said

And how much did this survey cost to state the obvious?


Jeff
said

Evidence is shown the americans did not win this war, for if you look at american history books - there is no 'glorification' surrounding this war. Unlike other signficant events in Amercian history, such as the boston tea party, american revolution and civil war.


FM in London
said

I think the war of 1812 is a big part of Canadian history because some of it was fought right here on canadian soil and that we should have more repect for Chief Tecumseh and the natives for helping in the war


Rob Elliott
said

The War of 1812, is the war where the Americans attacked Canada and in return, Canada not only invaded the US but Sacked and Burnt their Capital Bldg forcing them to paint it white to cover the burnt protions and marking in History as the only time the US has ever been invaded. Moral of the story is, "Never P _ _ _ Off a Canadain". The Germans during WWII feared us with a passion and the Americans better not forget it.


Stuart
said

The proof that Canada won the war is, well, that there is still a Canada. If Canada lost, we'd be a collection of other states. It is the aspect of the war that the aggressor campaigns were defeated as to why both sides think they won. US aggression was defeated, British retaliatory aggression was defeated. A rich history together, and richer future together. History makes us wiser today.


Perhaps - Ottawa
said

Love Canada and everything that goes with it, except we in Ontario will suffer with the leadership we have had over the past 8 years..something we are NOT proud of - lots off debt and no light at the end of the tunnel. Starting to have more American Businesses pop up here in Canada..this creates jobs for Canadians but here in Ontario a lot of jobs will be lost due to the higher hydro prices these business and consumers will have to pay for the next number of years, so are we winners..


Bob Berentz
said

If one looks at the burning of Detroit and the White House, the Complete Blockade of the US East Coast and the fact that a little Jewish Boy Pirate defeated the Brits four times at sea, built a fort that crossed the T on British Ships, blew Packingham in two and Laffite furnished all the cannon, shot, shooters and powder used to fight the Battle of New Orleans (the Mem. of J. Laffite pub. 1999) .. just how seriously do you think the US was in attacking Canada? 1812 was an American Trafalgar .. war against many nations. Jer USA lem.


roy
said

the way I see it even if there wasn't any real outcome in that war just look around you and ninety per cent of everything in Canada right now is American and if they did infact lose the war they bought us with their money so who really is the big winner here.


JO
said

I remember my grade 6 teacher teaching us about the War of 1812 (1969). He also taught us that the American history books claimed that the US won. But that is ridiculous because we are not an American state. What do their books say they won? What is their stated reason for going to war then?


AM
said

Part of the grade 7 cirriculum in Ontario is the War of 1812, so this year I have relearned much thanks to my daughter.
It is interesting to me that the U.S. education system teaches such a different story. We have lifelong friends living in Ohio who are adament the Americans were victorious because that is what they have been taught. They truly believe they won the war but gave us back the land after the fact!


Bob
said

The Americans lost the War of 1812. They achieved none of their objectives which they started the war for. They conquered no lands in Canada and even the issue of impressment of sailors by the Royal Navy wasn't even addressed in the peace treaty.On the other hand the British defeated every attempt by the US to conquer Canada by land and so totally controlled the seas that they could and did blockade the US east coast and raided along the coast at will. Tha Americans sued for peace because they knew that with the end of the war against Napoleon England could commit the full resources of her navy and army against the yankees. Up until that time the British were fighting the Americans with one hand tied behind their backs and were still beating them.The reason why Americans know so little about the actual war is that the American military effort was a comedy of errors and an embarrassment to to the nation. Cronyism and incompetence ruled the day. Thomas Jefferson said conquering Canada would be a simple matter of marching. How wrong he was.But the biggest joke about Americans and the War of 1812 is how they call it their second war of independence. It seems the Americans believe that to obtain their independence a second time (?), it was necessary to invade Canada and take our independence away.In fact, far from being a war of independence, the War of 1812 almost started a civil war between the New England states, which were happy to keep trading with Britain, and the western and southern states which clamoured for war and what they thought would be an easy victory.


Aitean Towellve in ONT
said

Bet if you asked most Americans What year the War of 1812 was fought, they wouldn't know !


JB in Ontario
said

We may have fought the states in 1812 but now we could not be better friends and we have a great ally and trading partner in the United States. What I really like about the states is Hollywood!


JB in Ontario
said

As much as I like being neighbours with the United States of America, I can't think of a better country than Canada in which to live. Teaching Canadians that we were victorious during that skurmish with the States back in 1812 is very important. We are a proud multi-cultural nation with strong ties with Britain.Our political system is an excellent one and being Canadian is something to be very proud of. Even though we have a majority Conservative government, views of minorities are listened to and respected. Our healthcare system is also very good.


Jim from Toronto
said

Maybe we should tell the Americans that it is called the White House because British troops burned it during the War and to hide the damage the Americans painted it white.


Gord
said

Our parlimentary system is superior to their republican sysem by far in my view. Their founding fathers meant well in having authority divided but its led to gridlock on many cases over many issues. Our system gives the ruling party and the PM full authority if they have a majority. There is no gridlock and after four years if we don't like the rascals we toss them out. The whole kit and caboddle.


WSV
said

Quite naturally the Americans are dead wrong on their view of who won the War of 1812. This can't be all the surprising given the indisputable fact that they lost; they wanted to conquer us but were repulsed time and time again, particularly by a significantly smaller defending force. That does not make for a definition of American victory when the best they could claim is status quo ante bellum. Of course their memory is not always the best when it comes to wars they have lost, need I remind of a little thing called Vietnam?


jeff
said

oops americas dont like to remember that we burned their white house


Ray Thunder Bay
said

Yes lets cut the OA pension and spend billions on stuff that happened 150 to 200 years ago What a waste of my tax money


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