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Josh Visser, CTV.ca News Staff
Date: Sun. Feb. 15 2009 10:29 PM ET
U.S. presidents have visited Canada numerous times but few will arrive with the excitement stirred up by the 44th commander-in-chief, Barack Obama, when he visits Ottawa and Prime Minister Stephen Harper this Thursday.
But the irony is that Obama's first foreign trip as president is being billed as the political equivalent of a business lunch at Tim Hortons, with nary a bit of the pomp and circumstance that other foreign leaders have been treated with in Ottawa.
Unlike former presidents such as Franklin Roosevelt, Bill Clinton, John F. Kennedy or Dwight Eisenhower, Obama will not be putting his rhetorical skills to use in front of a joint session of Parliament.
Instead, the visit will be an overwhelmingly private affair as Harper and Obama are expected to speak on a few specific issues behind closed doors, notably the economy and Afghanistan.
"I wouldn't expect anything dramatic out of this," CTV's chief political correspondent Craig Oliver says.
The trip is planned to be only about five hours in length.
There will be a brief press conference but Canadian reporters are expected to only be allowed two questions, one in English, the other in French, for the U.S. president.
U.S. Secret Service have relented on their request to have Parliament Hill completely cleared and are now allowing some Canadians to gather on the hill (after an extensive search, of course) to get a brief glimpse of the president. Despite Obama's massive fan base in Canada, there won't be a quarter million people showing up, like there was in Berlin last summer.
Not quite a true tradition
After George W. Bush decided to make Mexico his first foreign trip as president, many Canadians felt that he broke with the tradition of visiting America's northern neighbour first.
But there is not quite as much tradition there as many Canadians believe. The first presidential visit to Canada wasn't until 1923 and the next wasn't until 1933.
Before Obama, only three of the last seven presidents made their first foreign trip to Canada. Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford never even visited Canada during their time in office.
But will they be buddies?
On a personal and political level, it's hard to see Obama and Harper getting chummy on the golf course like Jean Chrétien and Bill Clinton.
Obama is charismatic and charming, whereas Harper has made a career on his lack of personality. Obama reaches across party lines, where Harper had to cause a constitutional crisis before deciding to play nice with the opposition. Obama is a basketball guy -- Harper is a hockey fan.
But there are some characteristics the two men share. They are both relatively young for their positions, Obama is 47, Harper, 49, and both have two school-aged children.
And although each man comes from a very different political position, there is little doubt that both leaders want the same thing -- to get their country's economy back on track.
Kory Teneycke, Harper's director of communications, predicts the two leaders will get along well.
But he told The Canadian Press the visit "is not primarily to have a social relationship, it's to work together in the interests of both of their individual countries."
But having a close, or at least quite cordial, relationship with the U.S. president is certainly not without benefit.
Franklin Roosevelt and MacKenzie King, both the longest-serving leaders in the history of their respective countries, were close friends. The pair governed during the two most trying periods of the 20th century and set much of the foundation for Canadian-American relations as it is today.
They were also good enough friends that after Roosevelt died, King claimed he continued to communicate with FDR's spirit from beyond the grave.
Roosevelt visited Canada a record eight times while in office and even had a summer home on Campobello Island off New Brunswick.
"When I have been in Canada, I have never heard a Canadian refer to an American as a 'foreigner.' He is just an 'American.' And, in the same way, in the United States, Canadians are not 'foreigners,' they are 'Canadians.' That simple little distinction illustrates to me better than anything else the relationship between our two countries," Roosevelt said in a visit to Quebec in 1936.
But other relationships between Canadian prime ministers and U.S. presidents have hardly been friendly, let alone professional.
Richard Nixon was caught calling Pierre Trudeau an "asshole" on tape. Trudeau responded that he had been called "worse by better people."
John Kennedy and John Diefenbaker detested one another, with the Canadian quoted as calling the charismatic president, "that young fool."
U.S.-Canadian relations suffered so greatly during that period that Diefenbaker's cabinet actually revolted against him.
But name calling has nothing on an incident between then-president Lyndon Johnson and Canadian prime minister Lester Pearson in 1965. After Pearson called for a pause in the bombing of Vietnam while speaking in Philadelphia, Johnson was reportedly furious at the Canadian's criticism of U.S. policy.
When Pearson visited Johnson the next day at Camp David, the 6'3" president grabbed Pearson by the collar and lifted him into the air (or pinned him against a wall, depending on which historian you read) and yelled, "You pissed on my rug!"
If you set the prime minster-president relationship bar there, it's hard to imagine any scenario where Harper and Obama could possibly lower it.
With files from The Canadian Press
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JP
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PLEASE do not embarrass CANADA when you meet the President-
May if you keep ypur mouth shut - you will do the people of Canada a great favour
Paula
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Hughes
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Go Steven!
Canadian Living/Working in the US
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Chris Slothouber
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Chris Slothouber
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Andrea
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NOT SO Concerned Canadian
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PS: enough with the Bush = Harper nonsence, that is just propaganda hidden behind a curtain of free speech
korie
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those were bush's screwup and now harper needs to fix them or we will be seeing a big change in canada's governing party. represent canada harper, this is one of your few chances to loo good to canadians in general.
Jason
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Answer: Obama will tolerate Harper until Canadians come to their senses as the Americans have.
andre
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Jay
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You may want to check his plans.I have a massive amount of respect for obama but some of his ideas i am not sure if they will work.
DK
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Joel in Kamloops
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Governing countries is a profession.
BO
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Harper = Bush, not Obama
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Cam West
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As Newsweek cover story proclaims:
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Day by day, Harper government slips farther
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The so-called "free market" was effectively declared dead by Bush.
Get with the revised program.
Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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The conservative's have cultivated a strong network of contact's within the bureaucracy of Washington and that is where the real nut's and bolt's of policy lie.I think they have made a far greater effort of reaching out to our American neighbour's than has been characteristic of previous Liberal government who have used the relationship to political advantage should the need arise during an election.American bashing was alway's a good way of deflecting criticism of their policy's.Stoking Canadian patriotism is something the Liberal's feel they hold the patent on.
I think a lot has changed since Brian Mulroney's rendition of "Irish Eye's are Smiling" with Ronald Reagan and Jean Chretien's photo-op's with Bill Clinton on the golf course.There is a greater sense of urgency between both leader's in dealing with the pressing issue's at hand and less concern about "personality's".
Obama's meeting with Harper goes like this . . .
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"Yes, sir, Obama, sir."
Bob
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Harper is running a big deficit.
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In the U.S.
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So he goes to Canada first. Whoop-dee-do. This is a non-event in America.
Miss Real
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the old lady
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Jeff from Moose Jaw.
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James Johnson
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VIC
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"Buy American" campaign will definitely harzarous our weaken economy.
Conservative government so mint will spend stimulate money $20 billion in compare to U.S. spending $2000 billion.
Tim
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André in Ontario
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Lets look at what you said. We have a very intelligent PM & he has been treated terrible. What???????????? Let's look at how he's treated Canadians in the past few months. Mislead Canadians during the election, his economic statement & to all you Harperyte he lied to you all on his budget. An intelligent PM wouldn't have put himself in the position he was put in by the much hated coalition. The guy forgot he was in a minority government. He's now getting the treatment his deserved. Harper & Oboma won't get along. There ideology is completely different.
As for Canada's dealing with the US we must be very careful. They have a long history of being pirate like if were not careful. Harper has shown in the past that he's not the person to deal with free trade issues. Everyone must remember soon after coming into power he & Emerson sold out the soft wood industry out of $5 billion when the WTO ruled in our favour. He would do the same to all industries of Canada if given the chance. Maybe not oil since daddy was an exec or was for Imperial Oil.
Red X
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Though Ian Brodie did interfere with Obama's primary race last March to help Clinton & the Republicans. Harper should keep a lid on it given Obama is more charismatic...
E.
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Fact is that the Canadian public knows very little about Ignatieff, the Man or the Politician, and as time passes and we all get a better look at him, I predict we will have a great number of liberals that will be quietly disappointed.
I would not write off the Conservative party just yet.
Jim McB
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Obama wants to talk to the PM to find out first hand what is working and what is not and the impact of the policies of both countries on each other. These two leaders are sufficiently bright to deal in that realm, and popularity has no role in doing what is needed. Popularity is the weapon of the failed side of any political action, once you have lost your credibility it is easy to attack your opponents popularity. Any left wing blog or newspaper will provide ample proof of this assertion.
A business meeting is exactly what is required; a popularity contest should be avoided because it only creates disdain. In this format Obama has almost no chance to incite controversy, the relationship between the two men will be a private matter because it is of no consequence, and a joint message of hope and cooperation might go a long way in thawing the fear resident in investors and consumers.
This wil be a visit remembered in the histories of both our countries. It will be a dissapointment to the left because there will be no oppotunity to impugn their own country or its leader, unless they create one!
schpid
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When it comes to cross border issues, each leader is of course going to side with their own lobby groups.
There will not be a new world order just because Obama was elected
Trent
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MK
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Majority Of One
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Rob NS
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While the world is in turmoil, you try to add to it by insulting our recently elected, for the second time in a row, PM. He has more votes than anyone else, because Canadians know he can do the job, proof is already there. If you only want to insult our leaders, please try another venue.
Sheryl SK
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Rob
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Canadian PC party is on the same lines as Obama's goverment, the Libs and NDP are so far left, there is no American party to compare to.
The hammer
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Mark -Vegreville, AB
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What I am trying to understand is why it is all of a sudden so important for our Prime Minister and the American President to be so close? Harper got along reasonably well (though by no means became a beer drinking buddy) with Bush and was labeled a "Lap Dog". Now that someone who makes better speeches is in the Oval Office it seems that we want this to happen. Get over the God-Like worship of Obama people. You and people around the world are setting yourselves up for a massive disappointment. Obama is not Jesus Christ and Harper is not the Devil incarnate. They are just two men doing their best for their respective countries.
WB
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jeff
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brett
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James
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But hey, if the US keeps going the way it is, many americans could be packing up and heading north.
Cathie F. Oshawa
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ME
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Reece
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"Funny how all the anti-Bush people say it's OK now to be friends with the US. US policies, especially foreign, are not going to change that drastically from when Bush was in power"
It´s even funnier how the pro-Bush people try to equate left wing prosperity under Chretien and Clinton with the likes of Bush. Nobody could argue that the past 8 years under Bush was nothing less then HORRIFIC - that is putting it mildly. The policies of Bush had seriously eroded the sovereignty of the USA and cost the lives of over 1 million civilians. A liberal simply wouldn´t defend those policies and that is where the differences become abundantly apparent. Those that 'enjoyed' the policies of Bush went on to vote for the likes of Palin and McCain. Do I need to say more?
Rob, Sackville NB
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Phil
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As soon as this recession is over, the entire Conservative movement will be happily banished from Ottawa for decades! :)
GaryinWpg
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Chris Slothouber
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SK Doctor
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schpid
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We are neighbours and have many common interests, including continental defence and trade. This means that we have to work TOGETHER. I look forward to reaction if Obama asks Canada to extend the Afghan mission. Will it be an acceptable request coming from him more so than if Bush had asked for it?
Keith S
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Ray in Sask
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Not that it means with Ignatieff in power would have been any better. That really depends on how he kept up with his Ivy League colleagues.
NT
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al
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dwigget
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I don't care if they like each other... I care if they get along. Mature people can get along with people they need to get along with regardless of "compatibility".
The article notes some interesting similarities between the two men, though... age/family & the uniqueness of their situations in light of that, etc. I think in terms of relating to a person on a personal level this stuff is actually fundamentally valuable.
Dave Williams, Phd.
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brett
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Gerald Skowronski
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MD
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KC
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Hell no!
Obama probably already knows that Harper is a Bush fan which means there is no common ground between these two.
Sandi - Ontario
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Jack
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rose
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The Americans never give anything away. And if they can't get what they want they take over . Its the oil , gas, water, that they want form us not at our price but theirs.
Reece
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