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Date: Mon. Dec. 8 2008 8:39 PM ET
Stephane Dion has announced he will step down as Liberal leader, ending a rocky tenure and clearing the way for a successor to take hold of the party.
Dion issued a statement on Monday outlining his plans to "step aside as Leader of the Liberal Party effective as soon as my successor is duly chosen."
He said recent political changes have forced him to reconsider his earlier decision to stay on as leader of the Liberal party until a convention scheduled for May.
"As the Governor General has granted a prorogation, it is a logical time for us Liberals to assess how we can best prepare our party to carry this fight forward," Dion said in the statement.
"There is a sense in the party, and certainly in the caucus, that given these new circumstances the new leader needs to be in place before the House resumes. I agree. I recommend this course to my party and caucus."
The House of Commons is scheduled to resume on Jan. 26, 2009.
Dion said he would offer his "unconditional and enthusiastic support" to his successor.
Later on Monday, leadership hopeful Dominic LeBlanc ended his leadership bid and threw his support behind Dion's most likely replacement, Toronto MP Michael Ignatieff.
"He is the consensus choice of Liberals to lead our party at this moment, and I want to be clear, he is also my choice," LeBlanc said at an afternoon news conference in Ottawa.
"He can bring the country together in a way that Mr. Harper never has."
The Liberals hope to have a new leader before the end of the year, so they can prepare for a possible showdown with the Tories in Parliament early next year.
If the Liberal-NDP coalition votes down the Tory budget, which will be tabled on Jan. 27, the Tories would be toppled and Canadians could get a new government or another election.
Despite rumours that Ignatieff would be installed as interim party leader, Rae said that he's still in the race to win.
"We've been whacked in two elections, we've got to make a comeback," Rae told reporters in Toronto Monday afternoon.
"I think that it's in the interest of both Mr. Ignatieff and me to have a process that's democratic," said Rae, who was joined by supporter and MP Gerard Kennedy.
Rae added that many Liberals reject the prospect that Ignatieff could be installed as leader without consulting with the party's grassroots.
"It's something that outrages people," he said. "That's a very widespread feeling."
However, Rae said he would be open to any proposals to speed up the process.
"This isn't about me, this is about what is the process that's going to help the party renew itself?"
Process may be 'accelerated'
On Sunday, Ignatieff said the Liberal caucus may "accelerate" the process to replace Dion ahead of the May convention, and warned that Harper's government will fall if it does not produce a strong budget next month.
In an interview on CTV's Question Period, Ignatieff suggested the caucus wants a new, permanent Liberal leader already in place should the opposition parties choose to vote down Harper's government when the budget is tabled on Jan. 27.
"I think there is an emerging feeling in the caucus that given the importance of this vote in late January, it would be appropriate to have a leader in place, a permanent leader in place, and I think it's fair to say that the caucus is considering various options about how to do that, to accelerate our leadership process," Ignatieff said Sunday.
Later in his interview, Ignatieff warned that Harper's government "will go down" should it fail to produce a comprehensive budget in January that offers help to Canadians in the ongoing economic crisis.
Ignatieff said the opposition party leaders should wait until they can read the Conservative budget before deciding the current government's fate.
"But Mr. Harper has to understand here that if he fails to produce a budget in the national interest of Canada, he will go down," Ignatieff said.
On Sunday night, CTV's Chief Political Correspondent Craig Oliver reported that Ignatieff basically had the race in the bag, and it was just a question of when he would take over.
"Michael Ignatieff pretty much has this leadership race wrapped up," Oliver told CTV Newsnet Sunday evening.
Oliver said the Liberal caucus is set to meet on Wednesday and is likely to vote to make Ignatieff their parliamentary leader, which would put immense pressure on Rae to drop out.
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jim in the great white north
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Charles
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Well, welcome to the club you 'lowly' foot soldiers. Your leadership just tried their best to nullify the vote of the last election and ignore those voters choice.
Obviously, they are not too choosy about who they put the boot to, as long as it suits them.
M. Reid, Oshawa
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I would think that any normal opposition like in the times of Chretien and Trudeau, would have at least waited until the new government got under way, or at least hear what's in the new budget before demanding new leadership. BTW, the coalition should stop lying about the people losing confidence in the Harper goverment. They never asked us. What is even scarier, is, if the coalition takes over, there is no opposition, which at least is an absolute must in a minority government.
BlairJ
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Isn't this the same man that for the last 10 days has been saying the Lib/NDP/Bloc coalition decided by and agreed upon by the party caucuses represents the majority and has every right to form a government?
Just another example of Liberal double-talk as they twist things to serve their own individual political interests at the expense of all else - most significantly the country.
Thank you Mme Jean for saving Canadians from this madness.
David Cox
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Mickie
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Ian - AB
Educated people often times are much more dumber than the people they are trying to put down. Take some grammar lessons!
Marg in Calgary
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I feel bad for the next Liberal leader who has to clean up the mess left behind by Dion. All I can say is good riddance. Now if we can say the same about the coalition, it will REALLY be a Merry Christmas!
Ken in the Sunny Okanagan
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It often was not in the best interest of Canadians when the Liberals went along with the Conservatives..but the Liberals did it simply to save their asses...forget about Canada.
Now the Liberals claim that what they did in forming a coalition was in the best interest of Canadians...what a lie!
The Liberals sure made a hugh mistake by not working with the Conservatives waiting to see how the economy in the USA shakes out with their new President Obama while taking the time to pick a new leader.
I'd like to know of any conversations or suggestions that the Liberals or NDP had with the Conservatives which the Libs & NDP say Harper rejected...bet they were ridiculous ideas that Harper knew would cost us big dollars & do nothing.
I like Harper's strong approach to governing..it is needed.
No ndp & coalition in Ontario
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amir Toronto
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I think Mr. Conservative understands this well.
Elias
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He did not try to stop "all forms of fundraising" it was to stop the use of taxpayer money to fund the parties. That would include his party as well. It should not be up to us to flip the bill for parties that are lousy at raising the funds they need, and especialy parties that are devoted to breaking up our country.
Earle
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Andrew
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No accountability to the grass roots for the fact that these leaders have mismanaged their party to the point where they cannot even have a true leadership race.
Skirt the real issue of being bankrupt financially and morally I think if the liberal grass roots really new the state of their party they would be very upset. When you don't want to be accountable or resposible creat a crisis to divert peoples attention from finding out the truth.
Kojak
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Lukasz Jarawka
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THE LIBERAL PARTY IS LIKE A NEVER ENDING JOKE.
Ronald in Toronto
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So, let's really support the new guy and remind him that, here in Canada, we also drive on the right side of the road.
Samual
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Captain Ron
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Liz from Ottawa
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Wim from Kingston, ON
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Karl in Calgary
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Yes, the Liberals sure have got my confidence... NOT
What a bunch a bumbling.....
Glad Rae still thinks he has a chance to convert more Liberals to his Socialist point of view.
Go Harper.
One down, two to go
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M M B Ont
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The Bloc does not even enter Parliament until AFTER O Canada is sung !!!!! Does that not speak loudly so why would Dion and Layton form a Coalition with the Bloc? One reason... they can't admit to being defeated by even lower numbers that previously and Harper receiving a larger minority ! Wake Up Canadians.. if a party is deliberately avoiding being present during the singing of 'O Canada" then they are not a party in support of Canadian people!
Canada Goose Whistler
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Ken in Kelowna
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Bob Rae who has now been involved 3 times with take over coalitions objects to Iggy being crowned the leader of the Liberals.
What goes around comes around MR. Rae. The shoe is now on the other foot. Maybe you should have thought of that possibility before you attempted to cast aside the Canadian voters choich in the last election.
Mr. Harper & the Consevatives accomplished more in 3 years that the Liberals did in 10 years.
I am very proud of Prime Minister Harper. Just yesterday our military in Afganistan finally got the much needed Aircraft to help safeguard our troops after the Liberals sent them into war so poorly equipped costing dozens of young lives.
Vote for the Conservative Party!
Peter D in Toronto
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Believer in Canada
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proud Canadian
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Please stay Dion. Don't let them kick you out of your job. Please stay and tell us about global warming and how some new taxes will save the planet. Please don't go. And please keep your camera guy. He's a genius.
Sean in Ontario
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Somebody said that the Liberals take turns with their leadership, alternating between Ontario and Quebec. That's just wrong.
No leader has ever been picked from Ontario or from outside of Quebec that I am aware of (Turner was a fall guy)..."Iggy" continues that trend, having resided out of country until his throne was properly prepared. That trend goes for the Conservatives as well, with none from Ontario.
Please, do not confuse Toronto or Ottawa for Ontario. They are neither. Toronto is a Liberal/NDP welfare state and Ottawa was only placed this side of the river so that Ontario could take the constant fall for the decisions made by Quebeckers.
Stefeny, Penticton BC
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Go Klein!
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PB
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It is too sad that most candidates withdrew, probably having realized how ridiculous their coalition really is.
What they try to avoid for their party, the skunks don't mind for the whole country.
Rick W
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Ken from Bears' Pass
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Concerned
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Don - Three Hills AB
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cam
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I have recently read up on Iggy and was quite impressed. He isn't pro coalition either, if you take the time to listen to him. He wants to review what the Conservatives will do with the budget and try to work with them, if its in the best interest of Canadians. Good job, Liberals.
That is right he is a conservative in drag.The fool was was even with Harper/Bush on invading Iraq.
Liberals choose this guy and NDP membership will soar!
FSN
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As a fellow "Trekkie", I feel sad and ashamed to admit that I did not recognize Sarek.
I certainly had that feeling of having met the guy somewhere, I just couldn't put my finger on it...
mark in BC
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Lets have another election and settle this once and for all, we need a strong Conservative Majority!!!
Ontario!! Wake up and quit voting Liberal.
This country needs a majority now!!
al from calgary
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1) In only 129 ridings were the MPS elected by over 50% of the vote. Of these 129 the conservatives won 80 the coalition 48 and 1 independent. Neither Mr Layton or Mr Ignatieff had over 50% percent in their ridings so in Mr Laytons own words they should do the honorable thing and resighn as they don't have the confidence of the people in their own riding.
2) The conservatives carried 7 provinces with over 60 percent of the population and the coalition carried 6.
It seems that the majority do in fact trust the conservatives far more than the other parties. Since the Bloc and NDP say they are dedicated to bringing Harper down, it seems that no matter what Harper says or does it doesn't matter so the GG should just call an election and get it over with.
I for one would like the coalition to also table a plan and not just say they have a stimulus package as that is not a plan.
Donny.
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Bored of complainers
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Is there another source of political news that the NDP, Liberal, and separatists are watching to explain why they believe the PM's leadership has been ineffective?
Granted the PM is strict and ruffled a few feathers...so what? He's the PM. You want a lollipop... go to Grandma.
We are talking about the leadership of the country here, not play group, not a union, not a volunteer fundraiser...and the so called subject matter experts, goodness where do these people come from?
I don't know people... smokin' too much wacky tabacky? Readin' too much Margaret Atwood? Watching too much NFB? We need a strong country to support culture and those that can't support themselves. PLs help us strong folk support you.
We will, honest. We will pay EI, Taxes for social programs etc....
Lead follow or get out of the way. Pls don't obstruct...it's like dragging three undisciplined children to school and it's getting old.
Van Isle Jim
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Steve, they did put Duceppe in charge of the coalition because all he had to do was threaten to abstain from voting on a confidence measure unless he got all that he wanted for Quebec. This is what those pro-coalition fools don't realize.
Also as Jamie put it, "scrap the $2/vote and bring on the election!"
Brigit from Montreal
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Julius
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A True Canadian
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Pat in Sherwood Park
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The coalition government will strip Alberta of the Prime Minister, five cabinet ministers and 27 government MP's. Most Albertan's, and many, many more across the country, are FURIOUS at this situation. And the focus of the national media is that Quebecers are offended because we don't want separatists from Quebec holding the balance of power? Unbelievable! I barely have words to explain how absurd and grossly inequitable this is.
If nothing else, this entire fiasco demonstrates that Canada, in its current configuration, is UN-GOVERNABLE and has been for decades. It's asinine to suppose anything else. Coupled with the concentration of population in southern Ontario the Canadian political model is fatally flawed. When politicians from Quebec and Ontario are gleefully prepared to have the party with the most elected members and popular vote sit in opposition the only conclusion any objective person can draw is that they clearly don't care about the people that cast their votes for the Conservatives.
The time has come to start a new national dialog that recognizes these realities. Continuing to pretend that fairness and equity can be found in reasonable measures across the country with the current system is a mirage. If Quebec is so offended by their treatment they should leave, soon. Likewise, many people in the west are finally coming to the grim conclusion that the federation is broken and incapable of meaningful reform. For as long as appeasement of Quebec and the wants of the population of southern Ontario continue to trump all other items on the national agenda it will be so.
NS amazed
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Johnson 404
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Pat in Sherwood Park
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What he / she said is exactly true. Here's my take:
I am sick and tired of hearing how Quebecers are 'offended' by anyone who questions separatists in parliament. Separatists with veto power is absurd. Only a country paralyzed by political correctness and an misguided desire to be perceived as 'tolerant' and 'inclusive' would allow this idiotic set of circumstances. This isn’t tolerance, it's stupidity.
It is clear that many Quebecers have no insight to how stunningly offensive it is for non-Quebecers to listen to an endless list of affronts to Quebec, while English Canada is expected to be endlessly tolerant of Quebec’s views and aspirations (and pay for their implementation). Don't want to be offended? Don't elect separatist MP’s!
No amount of appeasement, devolution of power, rights or money will ever be enough. Quebec is prepared to take from the rest of Canada everything we are prepared to give and more if it can be forced from us by a weak and unprincipled federal government (step right up Mr. Mulroney, Mr. Chrétien, Mr. Martin and to a large degree Mr. Harper).
nicolas
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Joyce
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Rae is making a valid point that in appointing Ignatief "AS LEADER NOW", does not give a fair advantage to have Ignatief acclaimed and then having both Rae and Ignatief on the ballot at the Convention where the LEADER WILL BE ELECTED BY THE GRASS ROOTS lIBERALS. This almost sounds like the lIBERALS WILL BE ACCLAIMING IGNATIEF AT THE CONVENTION AND NOT HAVING THE GRASSROOTS HAVE A SAY IN WHETHER IT WILL BE RAE OR
IGNATIEF.
Speeding up the process , because the Government needs opposition to the Budget, well an interim leader needs to be appointed and the election of their new leader at the Convention should include the Grass Roots Liberals, to have their say whom is to be the leader in the end.
I think the Liberals should first look at their own faults before attacking others for the Liberals being faulted.
Tim in Halifax (on the bridge)
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This fellow Canadian salutes you, Stephane Dion.
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Statesman-like Dion sets aside personal ambition
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In this critical period, given the conditions of global economic meltdown, it is too important to stop a power-hungry Harper from defying the will of the majority of Canadian voters.
Harper won a plurality, not a majority, and yet he suspended Parliament, locking out the majority of Members of Parliament that Canadians had chosen to represent them in the House of Commons. This perfidy shall not stand.
Canada salutes hero Stephane Dion.
Dave in Victoria
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MHB
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Scott ONT
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2) As much as I'd like to believe the Libs will actually let Harper present a budget, I'm not holding my breath. I've said all along that this coalition was in the works before the election and I'm sticking to that
3) The liberals don't have a leader among them right now. Iggy and Rae? C'mom. The best thing for them would be to beg Manley to come back into the fold
4) For those comparing Harper or his policies to Bush and his, give it up. His economic update didn't have any earth shattering plans because he was waiting to see what Obama would do in January. Do any of you really think it would be prudent to sink billions of dollars into something only to have it negated by the US plan? Waiting to see what Obama is going to do is the smart thing to do. It'll enable them to work together and try to stimulate what is a global recession. Because frankly, there's no way in hell, no matter what anybody does that we're going to rebound until the rest of the world starts to rebound.
5) 90% of you people ( I mean all voters ) don't seem to understand how the parliamentary system works. The coalition wasn't illegal or undemocratic. It was just sneaky and misleading. If the GG had thought that the country would be better served by having the coalition govern, that's what would've happened but she didn't.
Elias
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Pat - Canadian
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The guy who wants to lead the country just suffered the BIGGEST loss in Liberal history. Jack Layton would have this country bankrupt before he had a chance to warm up his cabinet seat - however everybody would be EQUALLY bankrupt so that would be ok. The Bloc should not even be allowed to be a party if they have no interest in participating in the good of the balance of the country.
I am not a fan of Harper. Although a highly intelligent man, he is a poor communicator and that undermines his ability to lead. But when I see the uncontrollable lust for power from the 3 stooges - with no plan other than to take power - it becomes obvious that, in these troubled time, Harper is the man to have in the driver's seat.
I would hope that Iggy can clean Liberal house of some of the old boy pork barrel rot that has been there for so long. Perhaps there is hope in the future, once he gets his sea legs and little Parliamentary experience.
I would look forward to an election in 18 months from now with possibly two formitable parties offering decent leadership for this country. I would hope that the clear winner gets a majority government.
LHB in Montreal
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Please Mr. Rae why is it that back room deals, with no voice from the lectorate, that would bring desastrous results for our economy is democratic in you view
BUT:
Your Party choosing a new Leader in the same way is undemocratic in your view.
I AM THINKING BIG EGO = YOURS.
I think your lack of support from the members of your own Party reflects the fact they are not duped to your misleading them on the real RAISON D'ETRE of the BLOC.
I am a Canadian that live in Quebec. The Partie Quebecois and BLOC are one and the same. The only reason they call themselves sovereignist instead of separatist is because as both parties agree they are waiting for the winning conditions to bring for a new referendum SO IT IS HONEST TO CALL THEM SEPARATISTS.
They will never work for the betterment of Canada but keep Canada hostage as long as it lets it. You will never give them enough Canada get used to it. Hoever this Coalition has brought it in the forefront and for Mr. Rae to say they are no important part in the Coalitin is false. 114 votes is not enough to form a Coalition vs 143 no matter how you slice it.
The Bloc would never agree to work with National Parties unless in was in their benefit.
Calling a spade a spade is neither incensitive or politically incorrect. THIS IS NOT A GAME IT IS THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY THAT IS AT STAKE.
Joe P
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If Ontario sided with the West and we simply booted Quebec out, how would this be bad for ANYBODY?
If the West split and left Ontario and Quebec to themselves, again, how would this be bad for ANYBODY?
Our politics are a joke. Let's move forward with a stronger post-Canada.
Candice
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Obama.
Georges
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BMIA
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When he was Environment Minister under Chretien he had the chance to put the Sockeye Salmon on the Species at Risk list.
He caved to industry's special interest groups who told him it would be a loss of 100 million dollars over the course of three years.
I'm not making a statement for or against putting the sockeye salmon on the species at risk list. I'm making a statement that Dion is a politician who has acted like most politicians do - cowtowing to special interest groups.
Don't judge a man by his intentions, judge him by his actions.
Bob
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Drew in NS
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The Coalition isn't working
The polls are in:
59% Opposed a coalition
50% won't support a coalition
70% feel Harper should stay in power.
Enough of a Majority for ya!!!!!
Doug P Red Deer Alberta
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If the Budget is defeated on Jan 27 then bring on the election.
I can hardly wait to see a Conservative majority in Parliament.
Doug BC
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So,I now vore against the Liberals and their recently adopted socialist leanings.I did not reject them because of Mr.Dion.
He deserves to be thanked for his hard work in the past and for a genuine effort to make things better for Canada.His sincerity is not debated in this household.We simply cannot buy into the trappings of socialism.And,no matter how they spin it,that's what the federal Liberal party has become.
If there ever had to be a coalition,it should be like the one in BC,where Liberals and Conservatives united under one party banner (at one time Social Credit,now Liberal) to keep the loonie left from running the show.
That aside,Mr.Dion has had some successes in government that continue to benefit all of Canada.I think he has been poorly served,and poorly advised in recent years.And clearly has no idea about western Canada or it's goals.
Robert C
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You are so very right. Canadians will not vote for a party or prime minister that is interested only in their own petty gains. bye, bye Mr. Harper
Bill in Montreal
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ed
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Last week Mr. Dion was the best of the three stooges to be our PM, now he can't even be leader of the liberal party, what happened?
Brian D Prince Rupert
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Mary
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DJC from Winnipeg
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Goose1
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His own words state, "I think that it's in the interest of both Mr. Ignatieff and me to have a process that's democratic"
Interesting how he can flip flop when it suits only him. Talk about self interest.
Hey Bob, you can't have it both ways.
JB in MB
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I think Harper has to be a chess player. For good or bad, every move has been well thought out. To be honest, on the world stage at this time - do we want an unproven limp noodle for a leader, or a strategic "bully". I want to see a leader in place that has the stones to say the hard things, and make the hard decisions.
As both a feminist and professional career woman - I admire anybody that can be a fighter. Love him or hate him - Stephen Harper is like a rock. He is not prone to emotional outbursts - and thinks about every move he makes. Despite the perceived arrogance, there is no doubt that you know exactly where you stand with Harper.
Saddened in Brantford
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Good luck out there.
Ryan P.
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Allan Eizinas
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Ever since Bob Rae joined the Liberals he has espoused that the Liberals should do what the Progressive Conservatives did with the Reform/Alliance Party. Move to the right, amalgamate and present a common front. Rae suggested something similar with the Liberals moving left and embracing some of the more moderate social philosophy.
Until this latest Flaherty fiasco, Harper had been moving his Conservatives slowly to the left and squeezing the Liberals between the conservatives and the Greens and NDP. His right-wing “hidden agenda” was still tucked in his back pocket to remain dormant until a majority was achieved. Then the Flaherty anti strike, anti equalization payment, anti public funding for political parties fiasco let the cat out of the bag and people were beginning to wonder just what other ideological ideas were tucked into those Harper back pockets.
Ignatieff opposed the Rae philosophy and suggested moving more to the right, force the Harper Conservatives farther to the right and isolate them so far to the right that the public would reject those “extremist” policies.
It looks like Ignatieff has won. I believe this means that he will wait until Harper has presented a very Obama-like pro-stimulus package of $billions and then reluctantly vote for it – “for the benefit of immediate stability and the Canadian people!”. He will also start to pick at the political scabs that cover the now wounded Harper. The Conservative sharks smell blood and we have Prentice, Nicholson, Clement, Baird and Flaherty in the wings. March 15 was a bad day for Julius Caesar and may be a bad day for our own Conservative/Reform version in 2009.
David V.
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Abby U
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Tom In Ottawa
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Johnnie Oil
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How anyone can support a seperatist coalition of no moral fibre or ethics is beyound me. Be guided by your envy of the succesfull and your hatered of Harper or open your eyes and take a long hard look at this situation, the three can't even run thier party finances or encourage thier party members to pay for thier support. It doesn't take much, $10, $20 at a time like Obama and the conservatives have done, that is democracy - not relying on taxpayer funds!!
Larry NL
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The first thing Iggy has to do is to put as much distance between him and Layton and the NDP. The NDP are not doing the liberal party any good.
bye bye
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Stay Stephie Stay.
KD
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Michael Lauer
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In the past 40 elections, there has only been 14 governments to actually receive 50% of the voters support. The liberals have not done that since 1949, a short 60 years ago.
Greg - Signs and Wonders
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Tom Brancato Ottawa
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Ken from Winnipeg
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After the last election, it was clear that the public voted most for Harper’s plan than for the three other party’s plans. You can’t join the three opposition party’s economic plans and come up with a coalition plan. They are all different. The liberals green shift, NDP tax and spend and Bloc Quebec only plan.
Harper knows the markets sink lowest when everyone exhibits fear. The markets hate fear and uncertainty. The media, however, loves it and even feeds the fear so it can sell more papers. Harper has tried valiantly to calm everyone so they continue to spend and keep Canada’s economy moving in the right direction. The opposition prefer catastrophe so they can ride in on their white horse and spend our tax dollars propping up inefficient industries. Rather than the government give money to the forestry and automobile industries Harper wants everybody to buy some 2 x 4’s and a car.
Oh, and the coalition’s white horse? It’s a Trojan horse. If we should let the coalition form our government, who knows what will climb out from within it.
Olivia from BC
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lacluont
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Harper had a minority and should have worked with the opposition like he was supposed to.
edd-medhat
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Golf Chick
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Today could have been the day that the government was toppled by a coalition led by Stephan Dion..... thankfully he is not leading the country and apparently not even qualified to lead a party!
How can such a misguided, unorganized bunch of Liberals expect to take over the government, they can not even decide how to elect a leader!!!!!!
Joe C from the Capital
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Remembering a party that had more than 50% of the votes to run a country...Hmmm...How old are you? Cause at 26, I remember Jean Chretien having 3 MAJORITIES in a row....Yeah, 3...Let that sink in.*looks at watch* Time's up.
And I just would like to comment that the Coalition thing is a democratic thing, but two parties who contradicted each other on things at every election leading the country? It's a little crazy how it could work.
Third of all, if Michael Ignatieff wins (I mean WHEN he wins) a fresh leader in a party that has been poorly represented by Stephane Dion will do some good...Someone who won't use a coalition to get his word across. Someone who is a leader and that could lead the Liberals to a probable win at their Elections
To all four parties, because we cannot exclude the Bloq, it's time to think for Canada....Not for the powr but for the people...because the people put the trust in their MPs to bring their voice to the Hill. It's time to face an economic crisis dead on and help stimulate the country before 1929 Part Deux happens.
Charlene
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Wade In Calgary
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Terry
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G-man
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Barb
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M M B Ont
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Matt C in Calgary
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As someone who has voted both for the Liberals and the Conservatives in the past, I don't want to hear that a political party (i.e. the Liberals in this case) is vowing to bring down the government WITHOUT HAVING SEEN THE BUDGET and AFTER ONLY A FEW WEEKS FOLLOWING AN ELECTION.
As the official opposition, the Liberal Party is there to provide legitimate scrutiny and debate the effectiveness of any legislation proposed by the Conservative Governement. That is necessary and good. If reasonable (the legislation), they (Liberals) have a moral obligation to support it. If any of the Liberal leadership hopefuls are saying something other than this, it leads me to believe that their intentions are self-serving.
bp in sk........good comments.
MikeH
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You mean, do to him the EXACT same thing he wants to do to Canadians with his coalition?
This ranks as one of the most insulting and hypocritical comments from a Canadian politician ever.
Johan
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This is proof of the mindset the Liberal leaders are in -they are not selecting a new leader to add value and make a meaningful contribution to the government of Canada - they are selecting a new leader to take "this fight" - meaning their fight with Harper and the Conservative Party - further. Their goal is only to take over power and not to serve the best interests of Canada - absolutely shocking!
GHW
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As an independent living right smack in the middle of the country, I would be happy with either a dually elected Harper or Ignatieff government.
If this coalition takes control I will consider joining a Western Seperatist Movement.
Hoping for Change in Ottawa
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And as for all this nonsense talk about "democracy" as regards the coalition - for crying out loud just about every constituional expert has said the coalition is perfectly democratic and proper. Harper won a "MINORITY", about only 1 out of 3 Canadians voted for his party. In many democracies, coalitions are a way of political life.
arthur of toronto
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There should be no insider trading to topple whichever party in power. It has to be done with absolute transparency, credibility and honesty. Anything less is not an option to the electorate's trust. Any new government to replace the fallen government has to be decided by the electorate either in a referandum or a general election so that the electorate's democratic rights to elect their own government to serve their interests are not trampled upon and seized by rogue regimes. Liberals' infightings, schisms and treacherous power ambitions among its top leadership have shattered our age-old confidence in the Liberals.
Kris
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The Cons never have listened to the Canadian people. They don't even listen to their own MPs. You should do some research and check out how they govern - no meetings required because it's a one man show.
Western Patriot KC
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Now Harper has them all where he wants them,they are trying to impose a nonelected govt in cooperation with the BLOC,on the people of Canada,and got the reaction that he was expecting.Now he takes this to the electorate,who are still boiling over from just having held an election apparently thrown out the window by the opposition parties,and gets the full majority that he wanted all along.Brilliant isn't it.
brad
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It is clear that the coalition parties (Lib/NDP/Bloc) had more members elected then the Conservatives. So my question to all who believed allowing the coalition to take the reigns of power is this...why were no Bloc MPs in the coalition government? We should have seen a split of approx 12 Lib/7 Bloc/5 NDP cabinet ministers. Why shouldn't the Bloc MPs, who were duly elected by their respective Canadian constituents, be held just as accountable as the Lib and NDP members of parliament for their decisions and actions? If the Bloc feels this coalition is good for their constituents and the country then they should also be required and prepared to provide members to sit as ministers in this coalition government. Otherwise, let the election we just had stand with the minority Conservatives governing.
Duane in Calgary
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While the majority of voters voted for someone other than the Conservatives, none of them voted for a coalition, as has been stated many times.
In fact, that some voted for the NDP means that they did not want the Liberals in power and vice versa. And not only that, it cannot be done without the support of a separatist party. Is there any greater hypocrisy than claiming the coalition is in the best interests of Canada and Canadians when one of the parties involved exists solely for the purpose of it's own interests and not Canada's?
The coalition leaders would rather just through money out without any sound plan which will hurt us more in the long run. Give our economist PM a chance to do what is actually best for the country in these difficult economic times.
Brett (Vancouver)
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I call you out on your lie sir. You are not a Conservative. Your tactics won't work. Unlike the Liberals, the Conservatives are NOT divided. We stand firmly and united behind our leader.
This whole coalition debacle has only strengthened our resolve.
Canuck in Bellingham WA
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1. The majority of people did not vote Conservative.
2. The Conservatives were by far the most popular party.
Trying to put a spin on either of these facts is tiresome.
When we have another election, which will likely be soon, either the Conservatives will win a majority, or they don't. Either way, accept the will of the people.
I live in the US. Trying to paint Harper the same as Bush is also tiresome and ludicrous. You may not like Harper, and he certainly is no Obama, but he is the Prime Minister. Live with it. Whether he is doing a good job or not is a MATTER OF OPINION.
Yes, he tried to be a bit of a bully. Yes it backfired.
I disagree with continuously running a deficit. But to have a short term deficit may be a good idea. Just like comparing paying down the debt to reducing taxes, is simply a matter of preference. Personally I think Harper is doing an OK job. Not great, not bad.
I hope he gets a majority.
Jeff
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Lance from Calgary
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Somehow I doubt they will.
Centrist Albertan
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We vote representatives to the House of commons.
The House selects its leaders, we don't.
This isn't like the USA voting for a President.
Serge Gauvin
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Eddie the transient from Moncton was also an honorable man with good intentions but no one would see him as Prime Minister. 25% of the vote is not sufficient for a mandate to be PM. Let the Liberals choose a new leader and take the country where it should be...in the middle. Welcome back to the middle of the spectrum, Liberals
kendell friess
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Dion fell down and broke his crown and Jack came tumbling after.
Ignatieff be humble Ignatieff be quick, Ignatieff should not jump over the Bloc veto tricks.
And little boy blue will blow his horn and win a majority. And we all will live happily ever after.
kf
Lindsay - Edmonton, AB
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As for the leaders of the opposition parties - shame on you for trying to overthrow our government in a backhanded way and showing Canadians what you really think of our voice.
Dave
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You betray your agenda when you use obvious CPC propaganda like "Canaidans will never again vote for a party that is willing to undermine democracy for their own petty gain."
That is how our democracy is supposed to work. Coalitions are specifically allowed and Canada has had them in the past.
The prime minister is not "the leader of the party with the most seats" and never has been. Constitutionally, the prime minister is whoever has support of the House.
The vast majority of Canadians voted against the Conservatives and voted for Liberal or NDP candidates so it would be "democratic" for the Liberal/NDP coalition to take control as long as they can work together.
Whether they can work together or not is up for debate, but the Constitutionality of it is not.
Mary
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I think Harper is by far the strongest man for the post at the current time. He and Flaherty have been immersed the international loop, and have many experienced fiscal Conservatives, as well as international contacts to keep Canada in the critical loop. It would take another party months just to get up to speed on that, let alone domestic issues. We need stability now. If we feel a change is warranted at a future date, then so be it.
Canadian Immigrant
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It's unfortunate this guy has never been given a break either by his party or by the media....I truly gelieve Dion to be a honourable man with good intentions and I guess that kind of man doesnt belong in politics when you have clowns like Harper running the country and power hungry liberals like Ignatieff ready to jump.....I wouldnt think twice about voting for a coalition with Dion at the helm......I would think twice with Ignatieff running the show.
Fabian, at last somebody who sees BRAINS behind the face and is not stuck with "charisma".
"BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP - EVEN IN MEN"
"HONESTY, RESPECT, HONOUR AND DIGINTY IS STEEPED IN CULTURE, TRADITION AND UPBRINGING"
Mr Dion, you have our sympathy and respect - in the long run you will benefit from all this. Good Luck.
Hos
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Here in Canada, we have one of its kind most danagerous ideology in Canadian History called Stephen Harper who has no hesitant to divide his nation and create a national unity crisis just for the sake of keeping his job. This Harper is a real danger for canadian value and tradition.
Stephen Dion, on the other hand, was a real honest and smart man. Yes, he did some mistakes such as allowing the Harper negative ad machine to destroy his imgae in the Canadian mindset, losing his self-confidence under the pressure of losing the last election but, atthe end no wonder if he avoided these mistake, he could be the PM of Canada.
Dion might not have the great charisma needed for a leader but he is, without any doubt, a good substance for a sincere and honest politician. He indeed come forward with a good platform and a good plan for his country and their national unity.
Such a sincere Dion is no surprise to favour his liberal party unity on his position as a liberal leader and to decide to step down immediately as soon as a successor is chosen.
I hope that Dion get the chance some time later to have a big rule in the Canadian governemnt. May be he can be a good Envirnomental minister fighting climate change.
Vito in Montreal
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What if this doesn't work then what, the liberals storm the parliament and take it by force?
But then again maybe I have no idea what I am talking about.
J in Edmonton
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1. Lying is: Harper claiming the moral high ground re: the coalition working with the Bloc, when he attempted to do THE EXACT SAME THING four years ago! Harper could not have passed any legislation without the support of the Bloc back in 2004!
2. Lying is: Harper standing in the House and Canadians and saying that the Libreral/NDP/Bloc agreement was signed without a Canadian flag present, when the Canadian flag and the flags of all 10 provinces were present at the (public) signing.
3. Lying is: Harper calling this deal "secret back room dealings without consulting the voters." Let's see: the pact was in front of the cameras and the Canadian people. Whereas I cannot, nor can anyone else I ask, remember anything about the signed letter that Harper sent to the GG EVER BEING MADE PUBLIC. This was kept from Canadians! The first we heard of this occurred when the NDP and Bloc raised it in the House. When did Harper ever consult the us on this?
4. Harper, Conservative MPs, and others claiming this coalition is an "attack on democracy," when in fact it is a perfect example of our democracy and parliamentarty system in action.
Harper and the Conservatives cannot win this situation on the merits of THE FACTS. They have to lie, divert attention, stir up and play on Canadians' political biases, prejudices and unbelievable total ignorance of our Parliamentary system.
This is the 'leader' and party you want in control of your affairs?
bcdarr
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Canadians always wanted conservative fiscal policies for this crisis but not a megalomaniac dictator who thinks he can run roughshod over all of us or a coalition of dictator wannabes trying to do the same.
I'm disappointed in the games of all the parties, but it looks like our system works to compensate for human failing and I'm grateful for that.
A strong minority government with a strong opposition is what we need now (it's too risky a time for a majority of any one party - they've proven who they ultimately care for) and hopefully the politicians will finally do their jobs without putting the rest of us at risk.
elizabeth in Vancouver
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Dion is too intelligent and not dirty enough for politics. Even Harper's strategist said Dion was a very "decent" guy. He isn't the bully Harper is and wouldn't stoop to such tactics.
I hope Harper shows humility and apologizes for provoking this situation. I doubt he will. I am furious at the disunity Harper has caused the country and especially with an election in Quebec today. He hopped into bed with the Bloc when it was convenient - now he doesn't need them. He has insulted Canadians right across the country and has not demonstrated statesmanlike or prime ministerial behaviour. Who else do they have in the party? 3 minority governments - most parties would ask the leader to step down.
I hope Dion returns to academia where he can influence young people who will deal with the seriousness of climate change.
Let's hope Canada doesn't win the Fossil Award again (like Bali) in Poland today. The world is watching! Harper has to act now since Obama is committed to cap and trade. Off camera the Conservatives believe Climate Change is a load of croc. 850 U.S. mayors have signed on to Kyoto. Jim Prentice strikes me as having a little more tact than the abrasive and bombastic John Baird. What an embarrassment he was.
Jim Edmonton
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bd in sk
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For those of you who are talking about how he "bullied" policies through the House, it was because the Liberal opposition sat on their hands or walked out. This summer, if you will recall, Mr. Dion was mentioning at every turn how he was going to defeat the government. Mr. Harper knows how to play the game. He was baiting them to pull the plug and force and election all that time.
I think, even now, there is some method to Harper's actions. He doesn't strike me as someone who does things willy-nilly. I am starting to think that he is a chess player.
I think that he and Mr. Ignatieff will get along just fine. I wouldn't be surprised if they've been talking privately about the budget, about Dion, etc, for quite some time. The Liberals, NDP and Bloc are not the only ones who have plans.
Just watch Ignatieff support the budget in January even if Bob Rae becomes the leader. I suspect there are enough Liberals who would stand with Mr. Ignatieff (it only takes 12) to hold off a Lib - NDP - BLoc coalition. It may turn out that the coaltion actually becomes one between the Conservatives and 12+ Liberals.
Kevin in Toronto
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The Conservatives, according to a Compas poll, now have 51% support nationally - up substantially from the election weeks ago. If an election were held now, they'd win an easy majority.
The Liberals are a broken party with 20% support nationally.
To be fair, I think people should give Ignatieff a shot. I think he'll move the party closer to the centre than they've been in years. I think he might even be able to pull some small 'c' Conservatives over to the Liberal camp.
Gregory D
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Merry Christmas everyone
Dan
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The only missing person is the Bloc's Duceepe... I wonder what his vote is when they close the doors and vault Iggy into Leadership.
Jason P
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Liberals flip flop once again...
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These Liberals don't know whether hey are coming or going.... and their supporters want this gang to run Canada? Shame.
These people are major leagued screwed up and to allow them to sit in the seat of power would be a HUGE mistake because they will do anything with the Bloc holding the balance of power. It's all wrong, wrong, wrong.
I'll gladly prefer and Mr. Harper he is far more responsible than this gang who change their mind like the wind if they think they can score some political points.
Canadian interests will be left far behind with the Liberals in power.
Mary
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I would think that under these 'circumstances' they would purposefully take their time to choose a well vetted man who will prove to be a good fit. Many are Leblanc supporters. Fools rush in.
Greg - Alberta
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Here's your backpack, what's your hurry?...
Let's get some rational discussion going on between the libs and conservatives and get things going again. Everyone will have a chance to make their case to the electorate in good time.
Sorry Jack.
Ontario remembers-say NO to Layton & Rae
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Jackie
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Just hope Ignatieff does his stuff and we'll see if he gets an A.
As for Lisette of Toronto:
Your wishes....ummm....I'd re-think those wishes. Abolish the GG...I think not!
Roy Cotton
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Keith in Brampton
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Oh, and to John in London, who wrote: "Canaidans [sic] will never again vote for a party that is willing to undermine democracy for their own petty gain."
John, as that applies equally to all THREE national parties with sitting MPs, I guess you're expecting a landslide for the Greens next time out? LOL!
mpdman
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I can't wait to see all the Liberal MP's falling over themselves to pledge allegiance to Iggy: “he is our leader, we support him 100%, and we admire his huge cranium”.
My gawd, you guys are about as stable as a jar of boiling nitro-glycerine.
Joe
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Bluenose
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Teddy Roosevelt
Bradley Strange
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Tori
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Dion despite his good intentions was never going to be strong enough to become PM.
With the backlash of Canadians they are now trying to kick their leader to the curb and vote in a new one overnight.
They jumped into bed with the NDP and Bloc
They cannot even decide how to bring on a new leader. Ignatieff thinks he has it the bag and Mr. Rae is crying foul already over a vote that has not even happened.
With Mr. Rae the Liberal party would never dig itself out of the hole for a very long time.
Their best candidate Mr. Leblanc just turned his back and said, no thanks.
Ignatieff Who? He is a writer, a filmmaker and professor who have not spent more than 3 years in Canada over the past 20.
With the Liberal party so divided, the huge question of integrity regarding the Bloc being invited to be part of the collation and the NDP being as trusted as they are….oh my gosh how will they ever not run this country into the ground? There is so much infighting that they will never have time in Parliament to fix the issues at hand.
Sounds like the Liberal party is running alright, running to catch a fast moving train that they are about to miss.
KC
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As a liberal, I hope the conservatives keep him.
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George in Fredericton
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The BQ who by there own admission (Gilles Duceppe said this clearly Thursday night on national TV) are only interested in advancing Quebec’s strength in Parliament so they have control.--------The people of Canada could not have been clearer in the last election. They did not want the Liberals or the NDP.-----
Without the BQ the liberals represent only 23 % of the total electorate with NO representation west of Ontario. ---------The NDP have no representation anywhere except a small portion of Ontario and a scattering of seats in BC. ----------By joining with the Bloc, both parties gain power and force their agenda’s on all of Canada while they can ignore the entire western half of this country. ----- By so doing the coalition puts 38% of the seats of government directly into the hands of 23% of the nations population (Quebec) While 30% of the population (everything west of Ontario has only 9% representation in the government)
IS THIS TRUELY WHAT CANADIANS IN THE EAST WANT
Robert in Toronto
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Let's look at 'coalition' government as a legitimate way to vote in the future - each party announces who they will work with in the event that they don't get a majority - so the Libs campaign on the basis that if they don't get a majority, they will form a coalition with the NDP, and the Cons can announce they will for a coalition with the Bloc (Harper wanted to do just that a few years ago - but that was ok then, just not ok if it's the Libs that form the same alliance).
The idea is that we can then vote based on knowing that whatever government we vote for will be around for 4 years and we don't have this 'mid-term' election nonsense.
By the way, I don't see the coalition as a 'power grab' - it's a constitutional and legal alternative to an election if the government of the day loses the support of the House. And Harper has definitely lost the support of the House (and a lot of Canadians).
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Matt C in Calgary
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I would suggest that Liberals keep in mind that all of the Liberal Party leadership hopefuls (Ignatieff, Rae and LeBlanc) supported the coalition (to his credit Mr.Ignatieff recongnized the error of the proposed coalition and eventually backed off). However, for each of the leadership hopefuls to initially endorse and support the coalition shows a serious lack of prudence.
If the Liberal Party wants to elect another "Idiot Sauvant" and assist the Conservative Party....then.......
Barry
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The fact that more voters might collectively vote for different parties does not allow the Canadian public to have a say in that "opposition block" becoming the government.
Rather is is only parliment through their position that may vote in confidence, or not or form a coalition as they have attempted to do.
The fact that many voters have not voted or that the majority of Canadian voters have not voted for one party is a red herring.
Frank Buchan (Vauxhall, Alberta by way of Ontario)
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To those in the LPC who view Ignatief as a saviour, beware what you get. The man is closer to a US Republican on many topics than any previous LPC leader, and at some point he will have to work around having been absent from Canada for nearly 30 years in a row. It's hard to imagine he instils confidence in average Canadians given his absence for so long. Having said that, to those who call him American -- he spent most of those years in the UK. He is also an academic at heart, and that ultimately remind sme of the old phrase - those who can't do, teach.
If they vote the budget down (which they almost certainly will, as they have no real options left), it will be worth an election to see how Ignatief fares when the weight of the LPC fortunes are on his shoulders.
PhilipHauser
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The Liberal party continues to be fought over by Martinites and Chretinites. Let them continue. Sad that they can't just hold hands, pull back from the edge of the cliff they are wanting to throw us all over and say. Hey, let's have our schedule convention in May.
We can elect a leader in the time honoured tradition and live to fight another day. We can rebuild a once proud party and be a reasonable alternative to conservatives.
The sad truth is Bob Rae saw a chance to initiate a scorched earth policy thinking it was his only way to win. He should be unwelcome in the party of Pearson, Turner, McKenna and King but no, Liberals decided people like I were unwanted and that ranting lunatics and socialist sympathizers were the way to go.
Good luck to them and us as a nation if we give them the keys to the kingdom anytime soon.
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Jack in BC
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Do you really think that she would grant the coalition power when (and I say when because they will vote down the budget no matter what) Conservatives lose confidence of the house considering they cannot even decide on a leader? If she had already granted them power, would Dion have been PM for a week before Ignatieff took over. How ridiculous would that have made Canada look?
Bob Rae isn't going to step aside so easily. He only switched from the NDP to Liberal because he thought that was the only way he'd get to be PM.
I just hope that when the opposition parties vote against the budget that the GG disolves parliament and calls an election because Canadians certainly don't have any confidence in this coliation.
And yes, I am willing to concede that at this point Harper should probably be replaced too but I think we have enough political instability in Canada for the time being!
The Hammer in N.B.
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What does it matter to conservative's how the Liberal Party choose their next party leader?
Like are you going to vote for him?
Or is it who that person might be that conservatives fear the most?
Short of how the next leader is chosen, I think the so call vast majority of conservatives should look in the mirror and see who is looking back at them. Their present day leader is far from being a "10" on the 1 to 10 scale and his honesty could well be put into question as we have seen over the past months by the number of negative comments on Harper that have been posted on various sites and in numerous printed media.
I'm sure that no matter how the next Liberal Party leader is selected, like in most things in life and politics, he will not be able to please everyone.
In addition, if only one person was running for the leadership and he was selected would that be undemocratic to the conservatives?
Let's not forget, Bob Rae is nothing more than and NDP in sheep clothing.....!!!!
AG in Ottawa
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Don from Ottawa
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Whereas Dion was a weak and sympathetic figure whom voters didn't have the heart to drop-kick out of the stadium, Iggy will make it easy for them. I hope the boy from Harvard wears a helmet.
Is Stephen Harper finally going to shed his robotron image to become the new charismatic "hockey dad" of Canadian politics? Will Liberals and New Democrats end the suspense and say "I do"? Stay tuned for another exciting episode of Canadian Politics!
Jon in London
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Aahh the sad irony of it all.
The opposition has long suggested the Conservatives being George Bush's lap dog all these years.
Bush then comes out with the biggest taxpayer funded stimulus package in the history of the world. Bails out everyone.
Now we have the Jack Layton coalition being interviewed and complaining that our Conservative government hasn't acted like Americans with a similar package.
Can someone please clarify this for me? Little help over here.
Peeved in Ottawa
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Nobody votes for a coalition government, every party wants the leadership during the election! The whole point of a coalition is to represent the majority of Canadians, as we each voted for an MP to represent us and not necessarily the party itself. Now that said, I'm not saying that I'm all for it. But coalitions do have positive sides and that is to force parties to work TOGETHER for the country's best interest.
For those who will respond that the Bloc is not a federalist party, you know nothing about Quebec politics. Can you really tell me that if your province had a party representing your interest in Canada, you wouldn't vote for that MP? The Bloc is a federalist party, they are representing Quebec within Canada. Now, the provincial party (Parti Quebecois) are clearly separatist and that is the goal of that party. Perhaps the rest of Canada is just jealous that they don't have their own party representing their province's interest, as this seems to be the case from Western provinces based on the comments that I have read. The challenge is on!
Tim from Calgary
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Seems like this party can't seem to find anyone to lead it outside of those two provinces. But then again, the Liberals don't have much support west of Ontario to begin with.
Dennis
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So who among us is perfect enough to cast the first stone, an agreement was made that he was to hold the office until the party could re-elect a new leader but the wolves are biting at his heels now and in a way I feel sory for the people that are of a liberal mind as they have no one to vote for, the one good choice has sold out for who knows what position in the party to leave a clear run foe Igy and Rae by the way Rae will never get the job Ontario will never forget that turncote with his Rae days crap and igy just sucks big time.
To Mr. Dion I say you gave it yiur best shot and it did not work out for you so don't let the jerks pull you down any further, Just stand up like the man you are shake it all off say good by and walk away with yoyr pride in tact or they will drag you down to their level unless that is what you want then fill your boots
Mattie - Barrie
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A note about Bob . .
There are many reasons for the Rae government's loss of popularity between 1991 and 1993. The NDP had never governed Ontario before, and Ontario was experiencing its worst recession since the Great Depression.
You know what? He couldn't deal with it.
GHW
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Jim
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Edmonton John
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Most of us mind very much! All the work we put into trying to keep the Conservative party to a minority was to make sure that its leader would conform to acceptable behaviour.
Since the Conservative party elected Harper as their leader - quite different than Canadians in general electing him - and Harper unilaterally continued his personal agenda of attack against the representatives of the majority of Canadians, the formation of the coalition became necessary.
Don't you see, most of us pushed for a Harper minority specifically so we would have this tool to discipline the outrageous behaviour we expected. By forming the Coalition to depose Harper, the Liberal and NDP, with approval from the Bloc, are fulfilling the wishes of the electorate they represent.
The results of the last election are very much a mandate for the formation of the Coalition.
Now with Ignatief at the helm, I hope we will continue to push for the removal of Harper on the very first day that Parliament reconvenes, but that is up to the leaders of the opposition to decide.
Marie from Brockville
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Bob in Winnipeg
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With the Liberals off balance Bob Rae and Jack Layton (both silk-stocking communists) have managed to make the Liberal Party look even more incompetent than the conservatives were able to. The sad part about this whole sorry story is that Mr. Layton has been working this deal behind everyone’s back for months. His next shoe to drop will be that the NDP no longer have confidence in the Liberal Government under it's current leadership and will ask that Mr. Rae be given leadership of the party till the Liberal convention in May and I don't mean Senator Elizabeth May.
I really feel sorry for Mr. Dion because he has been set up by people in his own party and the NDP and he deserves better.
Mr. Dion and Mr. Harper made good adversaries and worked well for Canada, together they could have easily gotten us through these troubled times.
Sylvain, Vancouver Island
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Let’s see 24 ministers, 6 of them NDP with Jack either as minister of Foreign Affairs or better yet National Defence. A senate seat opened for Elizabeth May “Is there anyone who voted for me?”, so that she can also become a minister, most likely of the environment (green shift anyone?) And then, throw in chunk of money at the Bloc so that the majority status of the Coalition can be maintained.
Now, there’s a recipe for success! Let Jack rule the country; it’s a sure way to find out what this guy is all about. We’ll find out just how sound the economic strategies of the Coalition/NDP are, and just how much the Climate Change will be curbed by the tax grab of Elizabeth May’s version of the Green Shift.
I say let the Coalition take over the country for the next two years. If it means that the NDP and the Green Party will be obliterated and that the Liberals will be shown a lesson of at least 15 years on democracy, then I will take the cost of the Coalition as an investment for future good, responsible, and democratic government.
Jonah
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2. PM Harper’s television address to the nation at 7 pm is the most publicized event of the day, and the coalition’s proposed PM (Dion) can’t even get the tape delivered on time.
3. The sub-standard video looked like one of their grand-kids produced it…very convincing !
4. The coalition’s proposed PM is now going to be replaced, before even taking office.
What a bunch of clowns !
Jocelyn Bourdon in Ottawa, Ontario Canada
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Eliz
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More important then who’s at the helm? I guess that would mean to Mr Layton, it really doesn’t matter who the Prime Minster is. Not as if Layton is paying attention, but Canadians care who the PM is. I keep hearing people refer to president elect Obama. Maybe we should start Prime Minster elect Harper. Maybe this way Layton and his fellow deaf conspirators will take note that Canadians already voted and it wasn’t for them. Layton really ticks me off.
Mike in Stittsville
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You ignore the fact Doug that Canadians just elected a new government. You ignore the fact that no government has ever been elected in history with more than 50% except maybe Mulroney. Yet you say the majority didn't elect Harper. The largest group of voters elected Harper by far with 143 seats...
Now say we are "family" when people like yourself are trying to divide the "family" by attacking Harper and ignoring the "family" voice in the past election..
Hugs and kisses eh?!
ScurvyDog
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Bob Rae indicated it's Harper's way or the Highway. Stephen has not been given the chance by the people to show what he can really do to make Canada better. He is always held up on certain issues by the Opposition and that has reduced our potential. Even the Sovereign Quebec issue was quieted but not any more. And what happened to the GreenShift? Harper was right again and it was about the economy and we are competing just fine albeit a Global recession. Hardly in the same category like the USA even though we are so intertwined with the American trade and economics. Harper has put the framwork in place to ride this out although there will be layoffs. Do you really believe other parties combined would have been better? Anyway, we will see.
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Lee in Calgary
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Iggy knows well that he must firm up his power base within the party, within the country and also must get the parties finances in order before taking on the government or he will still be sitting in opposition with the never ending chirping class calling for his resignation.
If Iggy does get fool hardy thoughts of being an appointed PM, me thinks he'll find himself slogging threw the snow in Feb asking people to ignore many of his past writings which don't come close to matching the Liberal Parties platform and yes he'll be slogging because they won't be able to afford a bus.
madmax
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With your weak logic (and pathetic excuse) for taking over a government then I guess almost none of the governments Canada has ever had should really have been in power then. I have a great idea.. why dont we just let the bloc form the new government... maybe that would be fair it's certainly as logical as your own rationale... oh wait a minute thats right you are esentially making the bloc the new goverment are you not by giving them the veto and overall control and ballance of power in your proposed coup. I will move out west and join the new counrty formed out there and enjoy all there oil wealth - Oh one more question what will you all do in central Canada once you dont have access to all the oil revenue... it's ok I'm sure you'll make a killing with Jacks wind farms!!! God knows there is certainly enough hot air there to drive them!!!
Edward
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MattL
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Happy Holidays
Pat in Toronto
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Conservatives are really in trouble now.
Can't wait to see the look on Harper's face when he finally realises that Canadians don't want him spearheading the economic problems.
Go Coalition, all the right winger conservatives are just being selfish and childish...typical. Atleast all the smear campaigning the conservatives will dish out might be amusing.
Dirty way to get elected though, conservatives should be ashamed of themselves and their leader.
Grow up.
Steve - Montreal
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Alex Nelson
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Joe from Van
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Do this right boys so we're not back here in a year from now. Ignatieff has excercised poor judgement in the past with Iraq and I like Rae better. However I am willing to give him my support if he is a go but the Liberals really need to devise a plan. Too bad Dion has been too much of a major distraction as of late. I would trust Ignatieff anyday of Harper.
Johnnie Oil
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You also don't need doctorates to work overseas, I know many people with just high school or tech school that have had long term careers overseas - typical liberal elitism - just what we DON'T need!!
Alberta Believer
said
Chat this is faulty logic. You can't just say that the majority of people voted against the Conservatives and leave it at that. You have to compare each individual party in this vein because the Canadian electorate NEVER voted for the opposition parties as a single unit. More people voted for all the other parties than did the Liberals and by a larger margian than they did against the Conservatives and all others. Same is true for the Bloc and NDP even more so. So this idea that people didn't want Harper to govern is misleading because they neither wanted Dion, Gilles or Jack to lead by an even bigger margian than was the case against Harper.
Here's really what people said on Oct 14 2008... "We want Harper to govern but with a stronger minority. If people didn't want Harper to govern, they would have made damn sure that someone else got the highest number of seats and the Conservatives would not have got 143 seats. Further to my point, Stephen Harper always came out clearly ahead on the poll question "Who would make the best PM."
People knew what they wanted and who they wanted to lead, it was Stephen Harper.
Just wondering . . .
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A longer process for selecting next Liberal leader
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Given the conditions of global economic meltdown, it is critical that Canada have a responsible government.
That means the Harper government must be replaced as soon as possible by a government that respects Parliament and has the confidence of the House of Commons.
Jane - Grande Prairie, Ab.
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LIberal's intersts not Canada's interests
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They are not what they once were and not even a shadow of the same. They have become socialistic and lost connection with the majority of Canadians.
Having a new poster boy for the Liberal brand will not change what they have become - self-seeking power mongers who will stop at nothing to seize power.
It is this kind of political party which can harm a nation because the national interests take a back seat to political interests.
The LPC has a lot of work to do before it deserves to be anywhere near the seat of government and that will take years to achieve and rebuild.
Angus
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I am a Conservative on the verge of voting elsewhere. Harper has proven to me that he is not for all Canadians, just himself. Then again that is the way I feel about the rest of the parties. They all can waste tons of taxpayer's money on trips, etc., etc., that is not required. I just read in The London Free Press about the trips and wasted money these people have just had. Sue Barnes was defeated here in London but I see she was well rewarded with an unnecessary trip.
Getting so sick of all you lying, cheating MPs, that I may for the first time in over 40 years, not vote.
Most of the last 40 years I have spent running a small business and making barely more then enough to live on. But I have a clear conscious. I have never stole from anyone, never cheated in my business dealings and rest at night.
How many of you MP have a clear conscious? Not many I believe.
The lies you are telling us is unbearable.
sheryl
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Frank
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Mr. Michael Ignatieff has lived in the United States for over 30 years and just recently returned to Canada, at the request of the Liberals, by Paul Martin was ousted. This party has no credibility and they should understand that they are the ones who damaging Canadian Economy and image in the world, as well causing problem with Quebec.
Right now most of most voters preferred Conservative
Minority or a Conservative majority instead of a coalition
with socialist Mr. Layton and Mr. Dion separatist.
Canadians do not want this coalition fiasco.
Frank, Oakville, ON
Tony
said
We like to believe that we are a fair and honest people but when a person doesn't fit or sound what we percieve as representative of us - we toss them out. It shows what we have come to in our Canadian society.
Here is a person who whehter speaks to us in French or English chose to put his personal life on hold to help the country he believed in - a school teacher / professor. This is a man who has worked with the young in education - who sees what the future is - because kids asked him in class I would percieve. He is well versed - says from his heart what he believes and tries to make our world a better place for everyone to live in.
We should really look within ourselves and see what is important for the future of our grand children and great grandchildren.
From day 1, Mr Dion has worried about the future and where it will lead us as Canadians and citizens of this planet.
Good people don't stand a chance with our hypocritical population.
We definitely have become "me first". Our decendants will be the ones that will pay the price for our ignorance.
We have no one to blame but ourselves.
John B in Pickering, Ontario, CANADA
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We don't need a coaliltion government we need leadership.
The G.G. was smart to do what she did, it will give everyone time to cool down, and maybe work together.
Worst thing this country needs right now is a government supported by others, namely the Bloc, who want to destroy it not make it work or make it work for one part of the country and not for the other.
We get what we vote for, and to many people can't see past their parties garbage to notice this.
Gunnar
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Looks like your refusal to show up to the meeting wasn't that savvy a political move....sure, the press will like you more, but while you were currying favour there, Iggy got the support of the party. You lose. Perhaps you could take an extended Rae day.
Samantha
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gszumilas
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They didnt vote for the opposition parties based on the fact that they would form a coalition, that fact came AFTER the election. Actually check who among the opposition really supports the coalition idea...
Dave in Victoria
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This will improve their support in those two provinces (another minority?) but again they will represent only two provinces at the expense of the rest of Canada. Change direction LPC. Look around. Toronto is not the centre of the universe.
By the way, how much political experience in Canada does Iggy have?
Linda in Vancouver
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Really folks,this is only the "Liberal centre".And an indication that their version of democracy is at odds with anything I ever imagined.
I quit the party five years ago,in large part because the only democracy they believe in is withing the upper echelon of the party.
What kind of a political party lets the Ottawa insiders choose their leader while the party members get shut down??
Worse than that,what kind of a party member is foolish enough to stand for a process like that??
Good luck EVER getting a majority government.Believe me,my friends,the first time you don't dance the right tune for the BLOC or the NDP they will throw you under the bus so fast you won't know what happened.THe real power will now lie with the "fringe" parties that no one wants as a government.
"Victor" sees this power grab for what it really is.
Can we at least assume that there will be a "free vote" in the house,and that ALL members will have to stand and declare their loyalty to one of the few coalition governments in the world that EXCLUDES the party with the most seat,the most members,and the most votes.
Voters deserve to have the names of ALL MP's,and where they stand on this.As well,I think ALL of our premiers should also declare their position.Congratulations to Gordon Campbell in BC,for a measured,but clear response to this coup.I,for one,am pleased to see that his version of Liberalism does not include socialism,or any collusion with it.
edd-medhat
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Boy are you out to lunch. I'm wondering what you're drinking. You're right about your list being "your wishes". That's all they are-Wishes.
The Liberals pooped in their nest and until they get out of that nest and start to work on a real grassroots party they're going to continue to get poop all over themselves.
Ray Jacques, Glen Robertson, ON
said
Hello Davie,
I think that it might be time for all Canadians, including those from the West to understand and accept that we are all Canadians.
In our democracy, majority rules. It is a fact.
Our government does not run by polls or by exaggerating regional differences for un-Canadian reasons.
Canadian spoke and we have the Parliamnet that we all elected as a result.
It is Harper who is not playing by our Canadian Democratic Parliamentary rules.
I might like him more if he ever showed that he had any idea of what he was doing as our Prime Minister.
Let's turn the page and get a really good goverwenment for all of Canada
Mr. Harper got less than 37% of the vote even after having made every effort to demonize and destroy a good man.
Surely this tell you something about Mr. Harper The man and his inability to really act like a Canadian leader, the role that he aspires to.
Time for posts that are not negative about the Liberals. Surely you all (and CTV) have had more than your rightful amount of these un-Canadian type of posts.
Isn't it time to start acting like normal Canadians for a change i.e. more generous, reasonable posts and not trying to destroy each other all the time ?
Cnadians were always Centrists. Canada has the only right-wing goverenment in the free world.
Let's re-consider supporting the Centrist Liberals again including in the West.
Time To Defend CANADA's Interests
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Quebecers can’t suck and blow at the same time…. Why do Quebecers continue to insult Canadians by sending the Bloc to Ottawa when they have federalist parties to represent them?
Now we are faced with a liberal leader whose party joined with treasonous separatists to form a coalition.
I don't consider it 'democratic' to allow a party to sit in the House of Commons being paid for by Canadians taxpayers whose sole purpose is the breakup of Canada.
I call that foolish, absurd and unwise.
It's time to send the Bloc Quebecois home away and out of the House of Commons and have Quebecers choose ONLY from federal party reps in the next federal election.
If we don't get this cleared up soon we will have the west sending separatist parties to Ottawa and our federation will be all but over.
Anne M
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Kevin Allan
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connie
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Les in BC
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James in New Brunswick
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Now Bob Rae is going to be busy trying to sell the idea of the Coalition to Unite the Left and eventually have the NDP assimilate the Liberals. I can see all the die-hard Centrist Liberals cringing everytime the Liberals drift to the Left. If the Conservatives can sell the next budget as supporting Centrist policies I don't think there will be anywhere for the Ignatiaf Liberals to go.
I also think the Conservatives are going to be making political hay out of the un-democratic way in which a new "leader" is selected for the Liberals. It is a matter of political expediency and even necessity but to the average Canadian it is going to seem no more democratic than the idea of a Coalition in the first place.
Richard D
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Very efficient of you, Liberals.
Elizabeth S. Hutton Ontario
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D J in Manitoba
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liz ottawa
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yes yes yes. there now. I may be wrong but I think this coalition will just fade away. cracks are already showing. yes it has support from around the country with people disenchanted with Harper, but alot more people are afraid of that unholy alliance. at least the furor has died down a bit for the moment, publicly at least! I am sure things are just racing behind the scenes in both camps. with Harper his budget with the lib/ndp, planning their leadership thing that will have to be done double quick. good luck when Dion could not even get a tape to the news broadcasters on time! and a hokey tape at best...
jake from keats
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anti-tax dude
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Al from the Yukon
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Too bad though he was the PC's best ally....ho hum...
Ted Keehn
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Ted in Sudbury
What a mess...
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I think the best scenario would be for Ignatieff to take the lead and encourage the party to be an effective opposition, while rebuilding for the future.
In the last election I voted for the candidate I wanted - not the party, and while that is the idea, we can't get around the fact of party politics. Unfortunately, if there is another election, there is no party that I would support.
Mike S
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Gary Martin
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Peter S Medicine Hat
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Doug in Carleton Place
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Forget about the Coalition because Harper will give just enough to keep Ignatieff from pulling the plug.
Ignatieff will bring the Liberal Party back to centre.
Many voters in the last election voted against Dion, not against the Liberals. I was hesitant to vote Liberal in last election and was leaning towards NDP, now I would be firmly behind Ignatieff and the Liberals as would others that voted NDP and even Conservative.
With a Democratic (Liberal) government in the US, Canada needs a Liberal government to take as much advantage from the US as possible.
If Ignatieff is smart he will ride it out until Harper tries to pull another fast one in the fall of 2009.
Then an election at that time will swing the tide in the favour of the Liberals.
Better get used to minority governments though because they are going to be the norm and then watch Harper form a Coalition with the NDP and Block against the Liberals.
I think that the good that is coming out of all of this will be a better response to our economic dilemma.
The bad is that it is splitting the west from central and eastern Canada.
Canadians must now think Globally with their views if we are to emerge in good shape in 18 months. A
Coalition of minds and ideas from all parties is necessary and hopefully Harper will tone down his rhetoric
and emerge January 26 with a sound idea for all of Canada for now and the future.
All Canadians must work together as family. Stop the fighting and let’s get together and negotiate.
We are family.
Adamwolf....History Repeats?
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Here we are in 2008 and what do we have, supposedly an unpopular minority Conservative Government, and guess what...the same "Bob Rae"....egging on a "liberal leader" who in all pretenses is about to resign...giving him an opportunity to bring down the house...so to speak...and become the savior. Will we have history repeat itself....wait and see. Oh by the way go and check out a little more of the political history from 84 to 93.
ColmBryan
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Pip
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But then, Liberal Party Rules don't permit anything so democratic as that: only delegates to a convention can vote for the leader, and each delegation can change allegiance at the drop of a hat - that's how they got
So, Mr. Rae, is it to be behind closed doors, or will the rules be changed so every party member has a say in the choice of a new leader? After all, that's the way your old party, the NDP, does it.
Pity you need a convention to change the rules. . .
In the meantime, this power play is being watched by Canadians, who are waiting to see if the Liberal Party can actually consider the good of the nation instead of their own "entitlement" to power.
Chris Williams
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Dion is a good man, but he is a poor Liberal leader. Sort of reminds me of Paul Martin - an outstanding Finance Minister but he peaked as Finance Minister. Not a good leader and not a good PM.
edd-medhat
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Sometimes you have to take two steps back before you can take any steps ahead. If they ignore the rights of their party members, they're going to be extinct, both as Lib leaders and as a viable party.
AK
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Peeved in Ottawa
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#1 The Coalition IS democratic and for those who think the contrary, you need to go back to school.
#2 The Coalition had no choice to name Dion at the head (Liz ottawa) because he was head of the opposition party...which is the liberals.
#3 For those complaining out there about the Coalition that didn't vote at the last election, that's what happens when a minority of voters choose a government for the entire country
Catherine Kennedy
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Shayla from Ottawa
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Liberals not prepared to govern Canada
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THAT IS AS OBVIOUS AS THE NOSE ON YOUR FACE.
This Liberal party is in disarray, has lost its focus, has become socialistic and is in no way prepared or ready to govern this country again anytime soon.
All they know is they want power at any cost and will try to demonize the Prime Minister who Canadians just elected at every opportunity they can without giving an account for their actions of late in joining ranks and giving the separatists a say over the policy of our government.
As our populace matures and no longer sees relevance in socialism we will see the Liberal party fortunes continue to dwindle in the polls.
I would be very surprised of the Governor General allows the Liberals to form a coalition given these new developments with an unelected (internally) Liberal leader and the outrage about the Bloc Quebecois coalition across this country. To allow that would be flirting with a revolution.
We may see an election by late February as Liberals will be unable to hold back their unbridled lust for power longer than that with their new leader.
Bev from NB
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Lisette from Toronto
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1. Dion out TODAY
2. Harper out- the sooner, the better
3. Governor General's position abolish
4. Michael Ignatieff as permanent Liberal Leader
5. No coalition Government
6. General Elections
7. Michael Ignatieff as Prime Minister of Canada.
Alanna Saskatchewan
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Serge
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On a side note I sick of people simply referring to the Bloc as "separatists" which this report ends with no less. We all know that the Bloc supports sovereignty but it really puts a negative outlook of the whole province which Harper reignited. I'm a proud Quebecker and a proud Canadian and people have to remember that you can't throw out the baby with the bath water.
Sherman in Yarker
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The potential of this government, if its members were to work together, would be to speak to the needs of All CANADIANS as represented by all parties.
I trust every member of Parliament must shelve their ego, swallow their pride, brush off their honour and stand up and open their hearts for the good of their country and the respect of their people.
Our leader must inspire us all to follow. Not in fear but with honour and pride.
Dick Varley
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GT Bllind River, On
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Andrew from Alberta
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If the opposition does not want to work with the Conservatives to build & promote a budget that is good for Canada, and the opposition is only out to try and replace the current government, then PLEASE send us back to polls so Canadians can decide the fate of the government and not some undermining coalition that meerly seeks power with out the peoples vote!
Laurent, New Brunswick
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Fa Chili
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Ian-AB
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However; let's compare the resume of the two leaders shall we? Harper masters degree in economics (working experience... mail room for imperial oil, computer guy for imperial oil.... never hired as an economist in the private sector).
Now, Mr. Ignatieff(A doctorate in history and 9 honorary doctorates... notice Harper has no doctorates. Ignatieff has worked as a professor at Harvard and Oxford; he was also in France. He has also been a writer and journalist and has written books on international development and peacekeeping).
So if these two guys were in an interview for a top level job. Do you give it to the guy with the mailroom experience and the lower level of education (Mr. Harper) or do you give it to the guy with a doctorate degree and years working abroad at a high level capacity (Mr. Ignatieff)... as most educated people do?
Joe macPherson
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Cambob
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Darlene in Halifax
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Hypocrits!
Lynn from Ontario
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Maureen
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Ralph Orillia
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Ralph Orillia ON
Davey boy
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bob in winnipeg
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Matty
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You people are sure making it easy for me to make up mind about who to vote for and I don't need an election campaign to decide. Go ahead boys make another big stupid mistake like bringing the government down in January.
Marie Plouffe
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David in Toronto
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Well Mr Rae, it's not good to choose a Liberal party leader behind closed doors but it's perfectly fine to selece a Prime Minister behind closed doors. How hypocritical.
Nancy
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Ignatieff needs to head straight back to where he came from, the USA. How could an ex-patriot possibly know what this country needs. He's just back looking for a big fat political pension, once he gets it he'll retire to Florida.
Dave T
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Elizabeth, Ontario
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Joe Tory
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God Bless Canada
Raymond
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Earl
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PrairieDog - Dean R.
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Chretien sidekick gets boot
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Tim (Wellend)
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Harper might be the ideal Prime Minister but he is certainly my best choice of what we have.
The other parties actions have only solidified my position and views on the current and true elected government.
Dan
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Tom Collins Richmond Ont.
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All I can say if the shoe fits wear it RAE.
Gordon Robson Nova Scotia
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The NDP will throw money to the wind. When the coalition rans (or should I say ruins it coarse) its coarse and there is Finally another election, good luck to the party that wins because there will be a HUGE MESS to clean up.
Tim
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Pierre in Ottawa
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Alan
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Chris
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Hanley
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Cheers to Mr. Ignatieff for becoming the new leader!
Let's get the job done that Harper and his cronies can't.
Liss
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k-w conscience
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This change of leadership at this time, will allow for a much greater level of support for the grits!
Thanks Stevie, you actually did one good thing for this country
John W.
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Sounds a little risky to me but if really this is a reflection of majority why don't Canada’s people reflect it we will got to the poll and see if a coalition Gov. backed by the Bloc is really what we want.
Are we really a Democratic nation?
MRC in Hamilton
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Brandname without Goodwill
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bella-in-ottawa
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Steve in Aylmer
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Everybody is back to thinking about themselves.
One`s man`s promise, is another man`s lie.
Dave Dowling
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Unlike the Minority Cons, who seam to only want to work with themselves.
A New Liberal Leader is exactly what the CONServatives fear. and Canada needs.
Jamie
said
Now I'll get to watch Iggy Flop.
Wasn't it Neil Young who said something about having seen the needle and the damage done? For the NDL (New Democratic Liberal) party of Canada their 'needle' was power. OD'd before the drug was even bought. Sad.
Damage done folks - Freeze the $2/vote and bring on the election!
NS
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MHB
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Maxwell Smart
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This guy has to be one of the worst Liberal leaders EVER and the sooner he goes the better.
Bring back John Manley, I think this guy is really needed at this time and would make an excellent PM one day.
kdb (the west is in and plans to stay)
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Tom Hawley
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During the election when he said"Mr.Harper may speak better english than me,but I speak the truth better in both languages".How true.Mr.Dion told us we were heading down a worse economic road than Mr.Harper told us.Mr.Dion was accused by Mr.Harper as fear mongering the electorate.
Well who was right about our economic situation?
I am not about bashing Mr.Harper as a person but as an economist and our PM how could he have been so wrong?
Or was he aware and therefore called an election before we became aware of our economic situation? As Dion claimed.
With the political storm Mr.Harper created he is about to play against a worthy opponent in Mr.Ignatieff.
Mr.Harper will miss Mr.Dion as leader.
Ray In Elliot Lake, ON
said
What is up with that.
Is there some foul play here at work behind the scene?
Why would Leblanc drop out of the leadership race? He seemed to have a good chance. Very intelligent person.
What is wrong with this picture? Are we, Canadians being duped into believing that Canada is not being affected by the rest of the world events of late?
Wake up people, the leaders are fighting for control of the ship that has started to leak and the Captains won't take action until we decide who will take command. Do we let this Mutiny go on or do we call our MP's and complain? We better do it soon before they shut down the Country because we don't comply with the rest of the World Order.
Shelley/Ottawa
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Nigel Buchanan Davenport
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Gerald from Belleville
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In these times of economic crisis...we want to give power to the Bloc and Liberals? Wait. We want to give power to the Liberals caught in the midst of a leadership crisis? Wait. We want to give leadership of the country to a Liberal leader who lived most of his life out of Canada, and to a leader who led Ontario into terrible debt and who failed on all accounts economically?
Come one people. Canada does not need Liberal leadership when their party is clearly having leadership problems. Dion was a wimp, and the new contenders are not better.
A Coalition will lead to an economic disaster. Allowing the Liberals to lead now makes no rational sense.
John in Toronto
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Peter S Medicine Hat
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Liz ottawa
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D.Kearns, lindsay
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Options are him or Bob Rae who nearly bankrupt the province. The Liberals gene pool should be referred to as a gene puddle, not much depth!!!
Annoyed in Calgary
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Dean
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Ken Richards,Oakville
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vince in trenton
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Drew in NS
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John Smith
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That aside, ref the auto sector bailout (if it actually happens): There had better be some serious concessions made by the companies and unions, if they are to receive any financial assistance. If they think they can continue down the perilous path that got them to this point, they should think again. Top executives and union heads should be seriously considering pay cuts to show some initiative. Until that happens, I am disgusted by their arrogance and they should not benefit from our taxpayer's dollars.
Fabian Newfoundland
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Drew in NS
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Welcome Back
John in London
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Canaidans will never again vote for a party that is willing to undermine democracy for their own petty gain.
Look for the liberals to be reduced as low as 30 seats in the next general election.
No one even close to the middle of the political spectrum will vote liberal again.
Victor
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If the Liberals try and unseat the Conservatives in the short term it may be short lived and force folks to go with a Conservative majority soon after.
Right now it looks like the mood of most voters is to stick it out with a preferred Conservative minority or a Conservative majority instead of a coalition.
It certainly makes sense for Dion to go now.
On a side note, I think the Liberals and NDP have done harm to their brands. Small "c" Conservatives like me have seen how power hungry the Libs and Dippers are right now, and most won't leave the Conservative tent even though they wanted to before this coalition fiasco.
Chat Rana
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If the conservative economic policies have anything to do with US Republican policies, then there is little doubt that they must go.