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John Manley arrives to discuss the Manley Report on Afghanistan before the Commons foreign affairs committee on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, March 11, 2008. (Tom Hanson / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Liberal Leader Stephane Dion speaks to media from the halls on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Thursday, Dec. 4, 2008.

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Former Liberal deputy prime minister John Manley is calling for leader Stephane Dion to step down.

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Date: Sat. Dec. 6 2008 6:45 PM ET

Former deputy prime minister John Manley says Stephane Dion should step down as Liberal leader so a replacement can take charge before Christmas, and prepare for the resumption of Parliament in January.

Writing in Saturday's Globe and Mail, Manley said "the first step for my party is to replace Stephane Dion as leader with someone whose first job is to rebuild the Liberal Party, rather than leading a coalition with the NDP."

Manley said voters sent the party a strong message during the federal election, when the Liberals had one of their worst showings, winning only 76 seats in the House of Commons.

"The notion that the public would accept Stephane Dion as prime minister, after having resoundingly rejected that possibility a few weeks earlier, was delusional at best," Manley wrote. "Mr. Dion had seemed to accept responsibility for the defeat (although somewhat reluctantly), and should have left his post immediately."

There is some speculation that Dion may step down as early as next week during a meeting of the Liberal caucus.

Liberal MP Jim Karygiannis told CTV's Newsnet on Saturday that Dion is "a determined man" and it is difficult to say whether he will step down next week if asked to do so.

But he said the "voices are growing" within the Liberal party for Dion to resign.

"Moving forward right now ... Mr. Dion has to step aside with grace and dignity," he said.

But not all members of the Liberal party are convinced that Dion will vacate his leadership role so soon.

At a pro-coalition rally in Toronto on Saturday afternoon, Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy said it was not a done deal that Dion will immediately step down.

"I think that, really, there is no strategy in terms of whether Mr. Dion stays," he said.

"He's already said he's going to leave."

Kennedy said that the major reason Dion would step down so quickly would be because the Liberals "can't trust Stephen Harper to conduct himself in a certain kind of way when we come back and we need to be ready either for an election or for different kinds of action."

Dion declined to comment on the issue when approached by reporters at the same rally on Saturday.

Angelo Persichilli, a political commentator with Italian-Canadian newspaper Corriere Canadese, suggested that many Liberal MPs believe the party can only move forward with a new leader.

"(Dion) doesn't want to but definitely he's going to because if there's anything that the Liberals are in agreement on at this time, actually the only agreement they have, is that

Dion has to go," Persichilli said Saturday during an interview with CTV Newsnet.

In his editorial, Manley criticized the antics that gripped Ottawa this week, as the Liberals, NDP and Bloc Quebecois signalled their intention to topple the Conservative minority and form a coalition government, while the prime minister accused the opposition of getting into bed with separatists.

Manley also said Canadians want the government to find solutions for an ongoing economic crisis that is threatening their jobs and savings.

"Instead they have been subjected to a sordid display of arrogance, hyperbole and incompetence that can only make voters wish a pox on all their houses," Manley wrote.

He also accused Harper of abandoning bipartisanship and co-operation when he issued last week's economic update, which kicked off the current political crisis.

The opposition was left with "no choice but to vote them down," Manley said.

However, the fact that Dion has agreed to terms of a coalition with the Bloc and NDP has "bound his successor to a controversial arrangement without even consulting any of the candidates to succeed him in the process, leaving them no option but to endorse it or break with him as party leader," Manley said.

Rather than spend money on a leadership campaign, Manley urged the party to raise funds should another election be called in the new year, while working with the other parties on the economy.

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Bill - Otterville, Ontario
said

last time I checked I participated in what was called an election and cast my vote for the party I thought would represent my best interest - this is often called a democracy. If the opposition wants to call the current leading party unfit to lead and they think they can do better, then call an election. I would support any cost for this so I can have my say at the ballot instead of relying on a group of self-appointed individuals that are saying they know best but can't get elected in a free vote. I support our troops and their efforts to remove tyranny. That is what you call it when someone or a group try to rule over people without a free vote isn't it. Harper my not be perfect but he is currently the only apparent free choice.


RAV
said

Members of the Liberal Party will not be attractive to Canadians until the they can demonstrate that they have resolved their internal difficulties. Finance, grass root support and leadership. This will take a great deal of time. Confidence is not built over night. Because of the internal turmoil the party is fair game for any other party to show that the Liberals as being incapable of forming a government. The historic Liberal stronghold in Quebec as been demolished and vacancies filled by the Bloc. The Liberals must get their act together first.


CF in Winnipeg
said

Thank you for those comments. I am sure most Canadians feel the same.


LMR in BC
said

"PSAC rules.." needs to learn to think for him/herself. I'm a member of PSAC too, but I do my OWN political thinking (which does not often parallel that of my union).

The Cons under Harper did not fix Canada's finances - the Libs with Martin as finance minister did. Harper's GST and corporate tax cuts reduced our wiggle room for times like this.

I hope that Mr. McKenna changes his mind and runs for the Lib leadership - he is respected both here and internationally for his acumen. Failing that, I would like to see Mr. Manley change his mind and become the leader. The current crop is abysmal.


Larry NL
said

Mr. Manley would be the best choice that the liberal party has to offer, and it would be nice if someone could talk him into throwing his hat in the ring. He is far superior to what they have now. If the liberals choose either Rae or Iggy or La Blanc, they will not survive.
Also NDP get rid of sneaky Jack.


Y. in Winnipeg
said

I agree with you Kevin. Mr Dion and Rae have to go. I think the Liberals would be better off with a leader like Mr. Manley. Get in there and start putting forth your ideas and working with Mr. Harper for the good of CANADA. That's your mandate.


Brad
said

I am not a liberal supporer but would be more supportive to them if they had more people like Manley involved in the party.


Marcus Sabathil
said

Why would people who voted for the Liberals NDP and Bloc object to them forming government? If they actually can work together and reach some compromises then they will do far better at representing Canadians than the extreme right wing US integrationist, flip flopping Harper.

Manley is a fake Liberal. Now a Harper crony.


GHW
said

Oh so there is someone left in the Liberal Party who remembers what the Liberal Party stood for. Good for you Mr. Manley. Please run for the leadership and return the integrity of the Liberal Party back to where it was.
I have to hand it to Layton, that’s some pretty skilful tactical maneuvering… divide and conquer. With Rae on the inside and desperate gullible Dion leading, the once proud Liberal Party is becoming the New Socialist Liberal Democrats (NSLD).
Everybody is talking about how despicable it is to partner with separatists and it is but what about socialists. Need I remind everyone hear what a true socialism is and what it would do to our freedoms. If we give socialists power today what will they do with it? Socialism is the real danger in all this.



Let's get ready to rumble
said

Eliz, just to bring everyone up to speed, your comment "I take it Manley might be one of the libs not to show up for the vote? Just 12 people and it will pass", well Mr. Manley does not have a seat in the House but I'm sure there will be an announcement soon. It will go something like this. Ladies and Gentlemen, fighting out of the fourth corner, the retired ex deputy Prime Minister, Mr. Manley.




Doug BC
said

I'd say a couple of things on this. First,if Manley had become the leader a few years ago,I would likely still be a Liberal. It's a bit rich to say he deserted the party. The fact is,he was essentially forced out by the socialists,who insisted on a hard left turn for the party. For now, I suggest that they ignore his advice at their own peril. I quit voting Liberal for exactly the same reasons he is talking about.
What the Liberals really mean when they talk about having a "big tent",is that they really do admit anyone to the party.But they don't have a firm stand on anything.That's how they get elected.Not by offering a solid platform,but by trying not to offend anyone about anything.
I was a Liberal for over 40 years.Now,I'm just sick of defending their lies.I defended then on price and wage controls,on the hated N.E.P,on doing the constitution behind the back of Quebec,on the Joe Clark gas tax,on their Senate reform spin,on the GST flip flop,on the Free Trade flip flop,on the slashing of provincial funding,and on,and on,and on.
I cannot lie on behalf of them anymore. Nor will I defend their ill advised policies.
Now, they have to earn my trust with concrete actions. I no longer believe much of anything they say.
Good luck to those who still do. I just can't imagine why.
That said,I still do like Manley. A Liberal with principles. Sadly,in that party, he stands alone. I doubt even he could control the socialists and NDPers who have taken over the party.


Bill from North Vancouver
said

I think the Liberals will all live to regret the coalition agreement. Hard to tear up a written agreement no matter who is leader unless they do it before parliament convenes in Jan. If they continue with a combined Liberal/NDP coalition, with or without the BQ, the Liberals become the losers. Spend the time, the energy and the money rebuilding the party under a new leader prior to the next election call.

Nick in Sudbury
said

Let me try to make sense of this situation.....we have a leader of a political party that can't unify his members but insists on leading a coalition to run a country. I've got a little advise for the Liberals.....get your business in order and find a real leader before you try and lead our country. What a JOKE!!!

Nancy in Sask.
said

That is the best suggestion I have heard so far. The faster Mr Dion accepts the fact he is must go the better. What a Christmas present for the Liberals if he listens to reason and resigns.No need to prolong the agnoy. nough blunders have been made already. I am sure with someone else the election would not have been such a disaster.
Mr.Dion is a brilliant man in his own right,and has alot to offer Canada but not from the front rank,it is not his forte.
So please Liberals get your act together again.You were a strong party that was respected around the world,since Harper has run the country our dollar is back to .76c and the cupboard is bare.
This is not the USA thank God,please unite and bring sanity back to Canada and cut the Conservative umbillical cord to the White house.The way things are now when Bush sneezes Steven grabs a kleenex.
So give us a hope for the new year that the party will work together for a united Canada with a strong leader who is fluent in both languages and understands the needs of different areas of this great country and deals with them fairly.


seasalt
said

Remember when it all started,,, Martin's cronos forced Chretien to retire and see what it got the Party into!
It would of been great to see Chretien agains Harper in a showdown! Remember the guy with the pie? I can see Jean holding Steven by the throat.

Dan from Van
said

A question for all those here and elsewhere bemoaning the fact that the coalition (those who support them) are undemocratic: what kind of democracy do I live in?

I ask because my studies at UBC (which culminated in an undergraduate degree in Political Science) told me that Canada is a parliamentary democracy. The extension of that notion is that any government unable to pass a budget or any bill deemed to be a test of "confidence" before the rest of the sitting parliamentarians can result in either an election or another party or grouping of parties forming a government.

Again, I'd like to know from my anti-coalition neighbours what kind of a democracy I live in.


Tasso lake in Ottawa
said

So Mr. Manley has stepped in on this political Catch-22 with some sensible suggestions – but I’m not sure about the order of priorities. Dion has already resigned and while it’s obvious the party needs a new leader – Canada needs progressive economic policy suggestions now. This need not be sequential to the Liberal leadership race, which can be parallel and hopefully orderly process – the immediate formulation of a Liberal economic advisory council of respected experts in the interim would be a prudent move.

It was the giddy posturing of the Liberals as the coalition formed was what irked many. This is serious business and for all the reasons Mr. Manley states it should have been clearly stated that the Liberal party took this action with great reservation. That said – I like many Canadians are now leery of Harper’s obsession with power and believe that the maintenance of a united opposition is the only way to confront the divisive tactics that Mr. Harper will undoubtedly employ to have his way.

This entire episode has been an embarrassing disgrace. In my opinion Mr. Harper’s arrogant actions wear the bulk of the blame – but at this point I don’t care. The only positive is that the Canadian public is much more aware and less inclined to put up with partisan games in a time when genuine constructive leadership is gravely needed.

Let’s work together to come up with constructive and effective ideas to manage this economic crisis. The political battles are simply not relevant to most Canadians.



Mustang
said

(As for Manley, it was reported last week that he is one of the 4 economic advisors to the coalition, along with Paul Martin, Frank McKenna, and Roy Romanow. Now, he is basiclly condemming the coalition and Dion. Make up your mind, John, you are either for them or against them.)

JS, never heard any of these 4 Confirm this. Just coalition propagda



LetsMoveOn
said

I have 4 words for you:
Prime Minister Michael Ignatieff.
Let's get on with it Liberals.


Larry B
said

I whole heartily agree with Mr. Manley! Dion should be replaced, and it should be with someone like Bob Rae who would be a great leader for the "coalition of fools". I am quite sure he could make a much bigger big mess of Canada's economy. Just think about his extensive background in finances and ability to create huge deficits. Look at what he accomplished for Ontario and how far he put them in the hole, and so quickly as well.


Mike
said

Manley is just worsening the problem. It is clear that Harper has to go for the good of the country and old political hacks have no business messing in this kind of situation.


Don from NB
said

Harper wake up ! Harper you have wasted our tax dollars ,& Canada's precious time . I think the 2% increase for ODSP was a joke ,& you don't realize how serious of a financial crises you put the people on disability into . You laugh at us while you play games with our money the money we need for our future's and our children . We have not had any sufficient increases on our benefits since 1993 .You make me so angry . “Canadians work hard for there retirement ,yet you leave us bankrupt . Harper you just sit on a pedestal on hind legs playing famous “



Hal
said

Nov 18 issue of McLeans Magazine has a published interview with Jack Layton, in which Lyton stated that a Liberal/NDP coalition was agreed to and a Non-Confidence Motion was prepared. All this before the opening of parliament. It was obvious that these two leaders had no intention of allowing the government to address the economic or an other issue.
The conservatives are not blind, Harper was probably well aware of the Layton/Dion accord when the House of Commons met.
How can any Canadian support these two men who were planning to usurp the election results immediately following that election.


Tom
said

I am a conservative voter, but I must say I kind of like Manley. You liberals should talk him into the leadership. Rae is one of my worst nightmares I don't think he would appeal to many voters but if he did get the leadership, would the ndp and the liberal party merge?


Marc
said

Wow, someone talking sense for once.
Keep it up Mr. Manley, good job.

JS
said

The first thing that came out of Dion's mouth after he won the leadership was that Liberals have to do whatever it takes to get back into power. ALL the Liberal caucus hooted, hollered, and cheered when Dion said that. Well, the Liberals are doing exactly that, now. So, now, none of the Liberals should be back-stabbing Dion. They chose him as their leader, they were there cheering him on. If you back-stab your leader, you will back-stab your country, simple as that.
As for Manley, it was reported last week that he is one of the 4 economic advisors to the coalition, along with Paul Martin, Frank McKenna, and Roy Romanow. Now, he is basiclly condemming the coalition and Dion. Make up your mind, John, you are either for them or against them.


Laurie Southgate
said

Laurie-Calgary

In watching the drama that occured this past week in Ottawa, I was concerned at something that I keep hearing people say....the conservatives and the opposition parties. Why do we define the other parties as "opposition" parties? Does that imply that their primary purpose is to "oppose" the government?

Sure members of different parties may have different visions for what the priorities are in Canada, but what about the purpose to serve and represent the people their constituentcy, and also serving the best interest of all Canadians?

This is a time of economic peril across the globe, when people are anxious about the uncertain times we are facing. This is a time of solidarity, leadership, and reassurance of the vision for the path forward for all Canadians. Instead of hearing about truthful reality of the situation we are facing, all I heard from politicians on the news was everything from the sky is falling and no one is trying to catch it; to the opposite extreme of don't worry be happy.

I also found it interesting the other night, how different politicians would say "all Canadians" want or believe.. when making their particular point.

Well, maybe "all Canadians" are concerned about the economy, but only a "few" Canadians (those non-conservative elected) are concerned about focusing on "opposing" the ruling minority government, which ironically can't govern unless some of the opposition members choose to support it.

For myself, the behavior of politicians this past week, did nothing for me to give a vote of confidence for any of them. In a time of crisis we were given no solutions, no support, no guidance, or words of wisdom......just selfishness....no leadership!


Stephen Bosch
said

Whatever you think about the coalition, Harper left them no other choice. This was about more than removing the election subsidy (something I basically support, since it means my vote at least counts for something in a lopsided riding); the economic statement was full of complete nonsense. A surplus this year? Nobody believes that. Banning public sector union strikes? How do you take away fundamental rights?

Harper overreached. He's done. He'd best go sooner rather than later.


AW from Toronto
said

The true mastermind behind this political farce is no other than the power-hungry Jack Layton. Dion is too weak a leader and it must have been really easy getting him to join the coalition with the promise of setting him up as the puppet PM, even if it's only for a few months.


Don NB
said

Why would McKenna or Manley want the job ? The party is heading for a long long walk in the desert, similar to the PC's in the 80's. These prominent respected politians would never settle for an assured 2nd place finish.



Jeff Torino
said

The Coalition is going to ruin the LIBERAL party!

I hope enough intelligent Liberals back away from this New Libs on the Bloc coalition!


Paul Heffernan
said

Dion Seems to be dropping the ball.The response to Harper was late and half assed.
They need a change now!


Diane M.
said

Manley has common sense. What a novel attribute these days.Although I was never before a fan , I am impressed at his objectivity and his desire for the Liberals and Conservatives to put the craziness behind them and work together for the good of this country. Hit the road Jack.


Nicole
said

So the Liberals will pick a new Leader and in essence put lipstick on the pig i.e this coalition. At what point do they get it that Canadians will not sit under the rule of thumb of the Bloc? Harper is the best man to lead us in the economic crisis. So you don't like the guy, tough, you don't have to live with him, his family does. You just get to reap the benefits of an effective leader who will guide this country with intelligence.


AWB
said

ABOUT TIME!

John Manley is a Nation Builder like non other in the Liberal Party of Canada.

His leadership as Minister responsible for Industry Canada brought about the Innovation Agenda and means for growth in sector economies across the country.

These efforts, and his ability to pull together disparate groups was squandered by the Liberals several years ago.

Good leadership comes before power - something yet to be realized by the Liberal Party.


CYL
said

Dion seems to be a person hard to get rid of.
Anyone out there ?... who is half capable of being PM please apply for the job.
If I behave myself at my workplace the way these politicians have been behaving I would see the door.


Alysha in Ont
said

The Liberals need to get rid of Rae. Look what he did to Ontario when he was Premier.And Iggy las not lived in Canda all his life so what makes him the qualifed person to run for Leader. The Liberals have a real mish mash of contenders vying to be Leader!
And of course the unions along with Layton and NDPer's have put companies in such positions where they cannot afford to operate without Gov't bailouts now. Pathetic !!!


Ike
said

I'm so confused. Last week Dion was presented as the perfect next PM. But he can't lead his party because he's doing such a rotten job, but let him lead a coalition. Liberals, you have sealed your future and I don't think the public will be kind.


Kevin in Toronto
said

Actually, as soon as Manley found out that he was rumoured to be part of the 'economic panel' designed to help the coalition government navigate through the turmoil - he was immediate in saying it was news to him and he has no plans to do so.


M M B Ont
said

I recall in the debates during the last election, Mr Harper was continuously 'attacked' with even having Ms.May poke him with that finger! People then critized Mr Harper for not fighting back. Well I see him fighting back now against the likes of Dion who is so upset about losing in the last election, he has to take his vendetta to Parliament !! THis is also what Layton is doing but he works like a snake in the grass, planning a coalition even before the last election. Then he sets up Dion as his patsy !
How can Mr Harper get anything done for Canada and the people when Layton, Dion and Duceppe have already stated they will vote against a Budget in Jan, a budget they have not even seen. What a bunch of idiots we have trying to run this country ! Harper is the only level headed guy there who knows what he is doing but it has to be frustrating for him when dealing with the stooges.
I think we should have an election as soon as possible with just the Coalition against the Conservatives since we have already voted on all the parties... but we have never voted with a Coalition Party on te Ballot. This seems the only fair way to settle this.
For Dion to try and say there are only 2 Parties in the Coalition is LIES because there are 3 signatures on the agrement. My Goodness, this man cannot even add or he is better at lying !!!


CFS
said

All parties are in desperate need of new leadership.


Anne M
said

JPB
Note that all the decent men that would have led the Liberals, have abandoned the party, for good reasons I'm sure. They are morally and financially bankrupt.

kdinsk
said

Well the consensus is that Dion must go. No surprise there. I am surprised a number of posts here are jumping on the Manley wagon?
The libs need to get it together and frankly i don't think any of their current leadership candidates can cut the mustard. The cheese yes, but the mustard no.

How about considering someone with experience, brains, and the respect of other politicians like Ralph Goodale. Perhaps is French isn't the best but then again look at Dion's english.

Oh yeah he's from the west so he won't stand much of a chance. Sad.




Pip
said

Re: PSAC rules and so does Dion
Isn't it nice to have a Big Brother who does all your thinking for you!

Mr Manley seems to have hit the nail on the head: it is more important for the survival of the Liberal Party to abandon M. Dion and his "coalition of the willing" (though willing for what?) than it is to "go where no man has gone before" with no thoughts for the consequences.

He is right, Liberals: get out there and raise funds, just like the Conservatives are doing. Perhaps then you would not have to rely on the taxpayer for funding. Without that fundraising (and fence-mending at grassroots level) you will be in no state to fight an election, let alone stand a chance of winning.

Jerry in Merritt
said

O.M.G. a liberal that make sence, instead of clucking the party line. Amazed

Vickie
said

This whole mess is a lot more than just PM Harper's fault.

The Liberals have a leader no one wants (not even his own party). They need a new leader NOW.

The NDP have a leader everyone is sick of seeing and listening to. We now know that he was out to topple government before the election. A new leader is needed NOW.

The Bloc should not even be able to get Federal votes as they look after Quebec only. The people of Quebec should be asked to vote as Canadians in a Federal Election.

Harper, well he just messed up big time. He certainly owes the country an apology and a great budget. Sorry Mr PM but you need to resign.

The new budget, no matter how perfect will be voted down. Rae and Dion have publicly spoken. They are only thinking power not the good of the country.

The GG should never have let this power struggle happen in the first place. She is more than able to sit down and tell all parties they must come to an agreement. She cannot dictate the agreement but she sure as hell should be playing mediator. It is a big sandbox, all players should be able to get along. Giving everyone a time out was a good thing to do.

PM Harper meant well, I truly believe he did. His idea of cutting unnecessary funding from the political parties was a great idea, he just went about it the right way.

The Opposition should be ashamed playing a bully role. Especially since their alliance was not set in stone. It has many cracks, some getting wider by the hour.

I can see an election coming and man oh man, if faces don't change it's going to be a scary one.


Chris
said

Mr. Manley needs to take over the leadership himself and grab every "left wing" liberal hypocrit by the nuts and settle them down.

He's the most CENTERIST as this country can get!!! I myself am a conservative, but I'm very center!!! If Mr. Manley was running and won, he would DEFINITELY have my vote!!!


btennant
said

The Liberals will never matter to me until there is full restitution for the funds stolen in the Sponsorship scandal. I guess that means NEVER.


Jerry O'Connor
said

One has to wonder just how many liberal MPs are willing to gamble their cozy well paying jobs away all for the sake of the greed of their bosses?

If I were a Liberal or NDP MP, I would be looking out for my own skin and if they pursue on supporting this course of action by idiots like Jack Layton and Stephane Dion, then they too can assume that their jobs are now on a precarious ledge. The people of Canada have now given them NOTICE that this kind of behaviour and conduct by elected politicians WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

DEMOCRACY WILL WIN OUT THE DAY ON THIS ONE.

This country of Canada belongs to the people of Canada....not to a handful of greedy and arrogant politicians hell bent on destroying its most basic and treausured foundation.....DEMOCRACY of the people....by the people...for the people.


Dianne B
said

Can we PLEASE just find a Liberal Leader who will not be an embarassment to the country?? Someone with some charisma, diplomatic skills, and possibly speak articulately is not too much to ask for is it?...It has to do with pride and not since the Trudeau years has there been anyone who has truly made me proud to say I AM CANADIAN and proud of it!..Let's get Justin Trudeau primped and preened for the position and maybe then we will all be able to "beat our chests" and root for our PM instead of having to feel the need to defend and make excuses for our choice of leaders.


Stuart
said

John Manley's political competence is comparable with that of Dion. Neither man should have anything to do with the Liberal Party's direction.


gibson
said

Dion is a terrible leader. But regardless of who the Liberals choose to replace him they are doomed. When they signed a pact with the NDP and the separatist Bloc they made a fatal mistake. Canadians will punish them in the next election. The Liberals need to send Bob Rae back to the NDP he is stinking the place up.


a western canadaian
said

Steve in Aylmer got it completely right-Mr Manley proves once again that his main source of information is his EGO.I think he is waiting to actually run for the head of the Conservative party because the idea of the coalition was put together by his former boss, Mr Chretien and Mr Broadbent, not Mr Dion.Anyhow if he feels the Liberals need more money than he is more than welcome to get every lawyer in his firm to donate the maximum which for him is about two hours pay-talk about being out of touch.


Diane Ontario
said

Manley is making it sound like dion did this coalition by himself. ignatieff, rae, and dion talked about the coalition idea together. One of them said so on tv some time ago. rae did the coalition thing in Ontario and got into power. I still think it is a plan to gain power and ignore voters rights. We do pay their wages, we the voters should have the say.


Tim Bunker (Halifax)
said

I'm glad to seen one of Chretien's big wigs speaking out. I'm glad to see that he has the same feelings as me towards this whole, like many other Liberal supporters. I think he should be appointed intern leader of the party.


Gerry in Markham
said

As I Liberal, I agree that Dion needs to go.

However, it must be emphasised that the crisis that led to the coalition being formed was clearly and totally the incompetence of Harper. Harper too needs to go, otherwise the coalition should form the government. Harper has confirmed many times in many wasy that he will not and is in fact incapable of working with others.

Bottom line, Harper goes or the coalition stays!


Radu
said

Finally, sombody has a solution to solve this crisis. I hope that the new replacement leader will work with the Conservative Party and try to solve the economic problems facing the country.


Joseph - Mtl
said

I won't be voting for the Liberals in the next election. You selected Dion as your leader and did nothing to help him during his mandate. Bruce Cockburn said it well in his song - what to do when a stab and a pat on the back look like the same thing - You backstabbers could learn a lot about honesty and integrity from him.


rod
said

It is time for the liberals to do some soul searching and decide if they want to become a strong centrist party again or to continue down the socialiat leanings that they are currently on.Even though I am a conservative supporter I think it is important that their be strong opposition to the current gov't so that the pendulum doesn't swing too far right.That opposition isn't their anymore under the current liberal leadership or direction of the party and the idea of a formal coalition with the Bloc should never of entered into the equation of any party that wants to govern our country.Another thing,surely the liberals have a better brain trust in their ranks than former leader Jean [divide and conqure]Cretian who was undoubtedly a good politician,but someone who I don't think was ever accused of being a deep thinker.


Ron of Toronto
said

I applaud Manley for his candid and farsightedness that Dion should step down for the many blunders he has made since taking leadership of the Liberals. I'd been a supporter of the Liberals since 1990 but was last flabbergasted with Dion caving in to Layton's conspiracy with Duccepe to bring the minority government down at a time when Canadians across the country and worldwide are thrown into the quagmire of financial suicide initiated by the US. Had his one and only focus been on pressurizing Harper to help Canadians hit by this financial tsunami, he would have won the day. Instead, his one and only ambition to be PM at the expense of the electorate and the financial crisis has put the last nail on his coffin. Now he doesn't even deserve to have a monument erected for him on Parliament Hill. As for Rae, he's a wolf in sheep's skin as he resurrected from NDP and you can't change his embedded NDP ideology. Be careful. As for Ignatief, he's crafty and opportunistic. People like Manley, McKenna and such like patriots should come back to the Liberals to revive it. Not to do so is not an option. Battle the Conservatives on its own strengths to prove its credibility as it had done for so many years in the past. I believe the Liberals can stand on its own feet if it put its divided house within the party and across the land in order. It has lost the public trust for too long and too far. It's time for redemption. Dion should be gracious to step down and allow a stronger and more patriotic leadership to emerge. One false move by any stupid, self-interested party/government would spell the demise of our beloved country, Canada, strong and free.


Bob in Winnipeg
said

I tried to warn you but you did not listen. The real puppet masters in this are Jack do what ever it takes Layton and his old buddy Bob I will slip in the back door while you keep them busy at the front Rae. Between these two they have done more harm to this country than the Bloc ever did. If Ontario thinks it has problems now just wait till these two take power.


marat
said

Lets see...the economies of MOST of the world are in FAR, FAR worse shape than Canada. Iceland is in shambles, Ireland (a shining star a short while ago) is a disaster, a depression has actually been predicted for Spain, the list goes on. And Canada, according to the Swiss economic think tank, will be at the top of th G7 to pull out first. Canadians have done well under the Conservatives in fact. And the U.S?? They will throw BILLIONS and BILLIONS away in the dark with the PRIME MOTIVE of all governments--as Rick Salutin once said, that prime function of government is first of all "to reassure the people." A power grab by incompetent Liberals/NDPers will thrust the Canadian economy into an abyss I hate to think about. But we need cool heads now who will not merely squander dwindling public resources to make matters worse down the road. Not to mention the huge expense of another election...it is an illusion that the power grab of Liberal and NDP wolves, overriding the mandate of the recent election, would solve anything. More likely, it would backfire and shove the Canadian economy quickly down the tubes in my estimation. If they do gain power, they will come to rue that day as they will fail and then be held accountable. Bye, bye to a lot of careers.....


PM
said

There's no question John Manley is an intelligent, reasonable man, and a principled politician.

Which is precisely why he has no hope of winning a Liberal leadership contest... The people responsible for choosing Dion would never vote for him.


Alvin Brown
said

before encouraging Bob Rae to lead any party, you should remember the mess he made of Ontario. He gave Ontaario enormous debt and basically accomplished nothing except to reduce the province to a have not province. Bob Rae is all about Bob Rae and nothing else.


Joe
said

Dion is a stubborn man who knows very well how much damage he is doing to the Liberal Party. He will not resign willingly because he does not want to please his adversaries. The Liberals must dump him otherwise they will be in a situation where the party will never recover or will take many, many years to do so.


Mike in ON
said

While I agree that the opposition would have had no choice but to vote against a budget that cancelled party subsidies, they should be absolutely ASHAMED that it's their only choice.

The fact that they (Liberal, NDP, Bloc and Green parties) RELY on handouts for their survival as a party is insulting to Canadians.

London G
said

The criticism of Mr Harper is based mostly on his lack of political correctness, his rather sniff demeanor and apparent arrogant nature.Perhaps he wouldn't make a great beer drinking buddy but I fail to see how these issues have anything to do with his competence as Prime Minister during this time of economic crisis.This man is still by far the most intelligent political leader in this country. He has leadership skills far exceeding his closest rivals.He is the best man to lead us through these terrible economic times.He knows the turf and has the tools to see us through.

juli
said

marley doest have any said about this leader choice because it was own poeple choice him for laeder put i dont see poeple said i what harper out get him out we should have vote for that he doest not agreed with other party take him out harper his put else this mess


Gary from Okotoks, AB.
said

Manley is the first liberal that has made any sense ...maybe he does not have the vision of power overtaking common sense!


Collin from Alta
said

Mr. Manley, I am impressed. I have only voted liberal once in my life. I could vote for you. You seem to make sense. Not something you here much from in Ottawa these days.

Cale
said

Has Manley just beat Iggy to the punch of setting himself up as a candidate for Lib. leadership? This sure puts him in the best possible light with Liberals.

Did Iggy miss his big chance by holding out too long instead of effectively doing what Mr. Manley has done?

I'm a conservative and respect Mr. Manley immensely for saying what needed to be said!

Cam...Conservative...and yes, out West
said

Well, Manley has spoken...my question is this, where did they ever come up with Dion in the first place? What were they thinking? Are Liberals even capable of choosing a decent leader?
Liberals moves of late pretty much spell it out..there are very few quality candidates for Leader of the Liberal Party and with the Coalition Crap idea of late...it won't matter who the Liberals choice is as their leader.
Fact is, recent decisions made by the Liberals will see them decimated at the polls in the next elction...even with an excellent leader!

Geoff
said

Finally a sensible voice able to recognize the errors of both sides.

Please change your mind and run for the leadership of the liberals.

Chris in Calgary
said

The Liberal party is a joke. First they elect Stephane Dion as their leader, and we have all seen how incompetent he is. Now he is trying anything to remain in power and even try to be PM by backroom deals with the NDP and BQ. And look who is waiting to become leader of the Liberals...Bob Rae and Michael Ignatief....if they are the best that the party can find to lead .... then the Liberals will never take power again....which is a good thing!!


Tandave of Nova Scotia
said

Smart suggestion Mr. Manley because right now the coalition is a case of the tail wagging the dog - (ie - Jack Layton with 11% of the seats in parliament wagging Dion and the Liberals)


Eliz
said

I take it Manley might be one of the libs not to show up for the vote? Just 12 people and it will pass.

Mark
said

The Communist Socialist Liberals must choose to become a Centre slightly left party again, not a bunch of Far Left Socialist radicals trying to override Democracy and The Majority of the Canadian People.

Work with the Democratically elected Government like the majority of Canadians are demanding.

Once their own house is in order and a new leader is chosen in May if they want to bring down the government and have a legitimate Democratic Election then that is fine.


Rick
said

I agree with all of this, BUT, it's funny.

I'm pretty sure a LOT of Liberals were in agreement with this plan. This is shown even at the last caucus meeting where Liberals were yelling down anyone who dared to go against the coalition.

Now that they're seeing this is not a widely accepted idea. It doesn't take much to figure out it was a bad idea hatched by NDPers, including Rae, who see this as their only hope of getting on the national leadership stage.

Now, to save face, they're throwing Dion under the bus (not that he didn't throw himself there a bit), and saying it was all his idea.

Dion does need to go (a long time ago in fact), but the Liberal should also kick out Rae who is simply an NDP in sheeps clothing.


PSAC rules and so does Dion
said

My PSAC union leaders say Dion should stay. They tell me he is the right leader for the times and the right leader to unite the country. I always believe my PSAC leaders and feel they have my best interests in mind.

LHB in Montreal
said

Mr. Manley, I would like to command you on your article. Although I am a conservative I,like many of us, have always had great respect for you because you have earned the your respect you have consistently showed your opponents.

Furthermore I believe you would be a great asset for our Party.

I also believe you are absolutely correct in not running for the Leadership of your Party even though they surely could use someone with your statesmanship at the moment. But I have to say they do not deserve or are ready to accept this right now. TOO BAD FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY as a Country is only as strong as its leading Party and its Opposition.

A Coalition not being an option.

I must had that I find it rather difficult to hear the leadership hopefull professing they are behind their leader but cannot dispute the thruth of it as you have to be behind someone to push him OFF A CLIFF.

CROSS
said

Finally....!
Somebody can see through the rhetoric of all involved.
Harper pushed too many buttons too fast and for his personal gain...not for the country.
If Dion stays then Liberals loose Ontario.
If Rea is "in" then Liberals loose Ontario.
If they don't find a good man in a hurry then they can kiss the party goodbye.
Mr Dion...do as you state...quit for the benefit of the country. We need a working government...and fast!





Ronald in Ottawa
said

If Baby-Face Rae becomes leader of the Liberal Party, you will have the following choices in the next election:
1. Conservative
2. Greens
3. Bloc
4. NDP - no damned policy
5. NDP#2-the former Liberals

NDP & Libs should merge
said

Having Bob Rae as Liberal leader is really foolish in my view. The Liberals may then just as well just join the NDP and make Bob Rae leader of the new merged NDP and Layton can be his yappy lapdog.

Then we can have the Conservatives and the NDP in Canada to choose from as the Green Party will be gone the way of the dinosaur and should be given their terrible performance under Elizabeth May.


ultamatt n.s.
said

manley was suposed to be one of the people who brought this coalition together , now he has the gall to try and distance himself from it and tell the rest of the world what a stupid idea it was . the lib party is imploding ,the ndp is finished if the auto sector fails {layton was just a puppet for buzz hargrove anaway}, and the block is, well , the block, doomed to never grow by its own policy.

Michael from Toronto
said

"Rather than spend money on a leadership campaign, Manley urged the party to raise funds should another election be called in the new year..."

Oh I see Manley wants another election in 2009. How's that going to save money and allow parliament to work on the economy. Does Manley believe the economy will recover by 2009?

I find this incredible coming from an (ex-)federal-level politician.

Jeff from the Stock
said

I never want Dion to step down...with him at the helm I am assured the Conservatives will always Govern this country and most likely soon as a Majority. Besides what humour would I have in my life If I wasnt albe to listen to Dion fumble along speech after speech making virtually no sense at all....

WE LOVE YOU DION.....

never leave us...!!

Michael from Toronto
said

The opposition was left with "no choice but to vote them down," Manley said.

I would disagree. If the opposition were truly patriotic they would lump it and realize that as Canadians suffer with job losses and impact from the US-caused meltdown, politicians should at least show token empathy by no longer accepting free handouts.

As for the mini budget, it would be stupid to throw Canadian money at a US-metldown without first seeing what Obama will do in January.

Layton already said he planned this with the Maoist-inspired Duceppe way before the mini budget. Dion and the Liberals were simply too stupid and too unprincipled to turn Layton down.

George in Windsor
said

Although Mr. Dion clearly has a wide following within the Liberal Party and is without question an honourable, intelligent man, he has failed in connecting with the Canadian public by refusing to learn to communicate in English. He could have done so since becoming leader and chose not to. That, IMO, is his downfall. In addition, he does not seem capable of rising above the political jabs and takes them personally instead of "taking the high road" and communicating a better vision for Canada.

Pat
said

Let's have a draft Manley ralley!


Nathan in Stoney Creek
said

Well said.
He has my exact thought on this whole thing.
Dion is a power hungry fool who cannot lead a party and he wants to lead a Nation? Layton is salivating at an idea of having power it makes me wonder if he's doing this for the better good of Canadians or to get his name in Canadian history? Harper does need to lose his arrogance but I do agree with not publicly funding parties. I do not want my taxes ever to go to the BQ. That just makes no sense at all for them to receive any Canadian money.
Go out and do some fundraising.

DM
said

Finally the voice of experience and reason in the Liberal Party.

My advice for the Liberals:

1. Get on with your leadership race now and put forward a real candidate
that can be the PM or lead a legitimate opposition. Put your own house in order
before you try to take on the Government.
2. Rebuild your party finances out of
the pockets of Liberals across Canada
3. Get out of this compromising position with the separatists
4. Put forward your own budget for Canadians to review and/or approve in
the same time frame as the conservatives if you don't care to work with them
5. Campaign next time on a real platform and obtain a proper mandate from
the electorate to legitimize all of the things you want to do



JPB
said

I vote for Mr. Manley as leader of the Liberal Party! Could someone please talk him into it.

Kevin D
said

Funny, I thought the coalition claimed that Manley was one of the senior liberals that helped bring this together. Doesn't seem like he is in favour of it. Manley is one of the few liberals that has respect of most of Canadians across Canada regardless of parties. Checking into this coalition, it would appear to be a coalition of NDP, ex NDPers (Rae) and the Bloc. If the liberals ever want to get back to the center position of the polictical spectrum they need to cut the assocation with Rae. If Rae gets in as leader of the liberals they will lose a large portion of the normal vote base to the conservatives as the conservatives would move in to fill that center position gap.

bunny
said

I agree with Mr Manley, it seems that Dion won't listen, and really, who can blame him. Rae and the others said they are behind him, this party is very mixed up. Very Divided. They want to lead Canada when they are like this? I dont think so.

Bruce - Calgary
said

This is the best description of what has gone on in Ottawa. Our politicians need to get working on the economy, not their personal situations. The people of Canada are loosing money daily and all they fight about is power.

CB
said

Dion Has to go! Let's work with our current government and get this econmy on track - the whole world is down. I don't think Dion can change that!

Greg
said

Wow, someone talking sense for once.

Steve in Aylmer
said

That`s Rich,

The A-class Liberals deserted the Party after Chretien and the sponsorship scandal and now they wanna preach Dion should step down.

Dude, where were you, Rock, Tobin, and lets throw McKenna into the equation, when the Party needed you. You deserted them when they were down and out and now the party is stuck with b-class leaders.

Thanks for nothing.

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