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Date: Sat. Dec. 6 2008 6:45 PM ET
Former deputy prime minister John Manley says Stephane Dion should step down as Liberal leader so a replacement can take charge before Christmas, and prepare for the resumption of Parliament in January.
Writing in Saturday's Globe and Mail, Manley said "the first step for my party is to replace Stephane Dion as leader with someone whose first job is to rebuild the Liberal Party, rather than leading a coalition with the NDP."
Manley said voters sent the party a strong message during the federal election, when the Liberals had one of their worst showings, winning only 76 seats in the House of Commons.
"The notion that the public would accept Stephane Dion as prime minister, after having resoundingly rejected that possibility a few weeks earlier, was delusional at best," Manley wrote. "Mr. Dion had seemed to accept responsibility for the defeat (although somewhat reluctantly), and should have left his post immediately."
There is some speculation that Dion may step down as early as next week during a meeting of the Liberal caucus.
Liberal MP Jim Karygiannis told CTV's Newsnet on Saturday that Dion is "a determined man" and it is difficult to say whether he will step down next week if asked to do so.
But he said the "voices are growing" within the Liberal party for Dion to resign.
"Moving forward right now ... Mr. Dion has to step aside with grace and dignity," he said.
But not all members of the Liberal party are convinced that Dion will vacate his leadership role so soon.
At a pro-coalition rally in Toronto on Saturday afternoon, Liberal MP Gerard Kennedy said it was not a done deal that Dion will immediately step down.
"I think that, really, there is no strategy in terms of whether Mr. Dion stays," he said.
"He's already said he's going to leave."
Kennedy said that the major reason Dion would step down so quickly would be because the Liberals "can't trust Stephen Harper to conduct himself in a certain kind of way when we come back and we need to be ready either for an election or for different kinds of action."
Dion declined to comment on the issue when approached by reporters at the same rally on Saturday.
Angelo Persichilli, a political commentator with Italian-Canadian newspaper Corriere Canadese, suggested that many Liberal MPs believe the party can only move forward with a new leader.
"(Dion) doesn't want to but definitely he's going to because if there's anything that the Liberals are in agreement on at this time, actually the only agreement they have, is that
Dion has to go," Persichilli said Saturday during an interview with CTV Newsnet.
In his editorial, Manley criticized the antics that gripped Ottawa this week, as the Liberals, NDP and Bloc Quebecois signalled their intention to topple the Conservative minority and form a coalition government, while the prime minister accused the opposition of getting into bed with separatists.
Manley also said Canadians want the government to find solutions for an ongoing economic crisis that is threatening their jobs and savings.
"Instead they have been subjected to a sordid display of arrogance, hyperbole and incompetence that can only make voters wish a pox on all their houses," Manley wrote.
He also accused Harper of abandoning bipartisanship and co-operation when he issued last week's economic update, which kicked off the current political crisis.
The opposition was left with "no choice but to vote them down," Manley said.
However, the fact that Dion has agreed to terms of a coalition with the Bloc and NDP has "bound his successor to a controversial arrangement without even consulting any of the candidates to succeed him in the process, leaving them no option but to endorse it or break with him as party leader," Manley said.
Rather than spend money on a leadership campaign, Manley urged the party to raise funds should another election be called in the new year, while working with the other parties on the economy.
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Bill - Otterville, Ontario
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RAV
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CF in Winnipeg
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LMR in BC
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The Cons under Harper did not fix Canada's finances - the Libs with Martin as finance minister did. Harper's GST and corporate tax cuts reduced our wiggle room for times like this.
I hope that Mr. McKenna changes his mind and runs for the Lib leadership - he is respected both here and internationally for his acumen. Failing that, I would like to see Mr. Manley change his mind and become the leader. The current crop is abysmal.
Larry NL
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Also NDP get rid of sneaky Jack.
Y. in Winnipeg
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Brad
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Marcus Sabathil
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Manley is a fake Liberal. Now a Harper crony.
GHW
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I have to hand it to Layton, that’s some pretty skilful tactical maneuvering… divide and conquer. With Rae on the inside and desperate gullible Dion leading, the once proud Liberal Party is becoming the New Socialist Liberal Democrats (NSLD).
Everybody is talking about how despicable it is to partner with separatists and it is but what about socialists. Need I remind everyone hear what a true socialism is and what it would do to our freedoms. If we give socialists power today what will they do with it? Socialism is the real danger in all this.
Let's get ready to rumble
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Doug BC
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What the Liberals really mean when they talk about having a "big tent",is that they really do admit anyone to the party.But they don't have a firm stand on anything.That's how they get elected.Not by offering a solid platform,but by trying not to offend anyone about anything.
I was a Liberal for over 40 years.Now,I'm just sick of defending their lies.I defended then on price and wage controls,on the hated N.E.P,on doing the constitution behind the back of Quebec,on the Joe Clark gas tax,on their Senate reform spin,on the GST flip flop,on the Free Trade flip flop,on the slashing of provincial funding,and on,and on,and on.
I cannot lie on behalf of them anymore. Nor will I defend their ill advised policies.
Now, they have to earn my trust with concrete actions. I no longer believe much of anything they say.
Good luck to those who still do. I just can't imagine why.
That said,I still do like Manley. A Liberal with principles. Sadly,in that party, he stands alone. I doubt even he could control the socialists and NDPers who have taken over the party.
Bill from North Vancouver
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Nick in Sudbury
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Nancy in Sask.
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Mr.Dion is a brilliant man in his own right,and has alot to offer Canada but not from the front rank,it is not his forte.
So please Liberals get your act together again.You were a strong party that was respected around the world,since Harper has run the country our dollar is back to .76c and the cupboard is bare.
This is not the USA thank God,please unite and bring sanity back to Canada and cut the Conservative umbillical cord to the White house.The way things are now when Bush sneezes Steven grabs a kleenex.
So give us a hope for the new year that the party will work together for a united Canada with a strong leader who is fluent in both languages and understands the needs of different areas of this great country and deals with them fairly.
seasalt
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It would of been great to see Chretien agains Harper in a showdown! Remember the guy with the pie? I can see Jean holding Steven by the throat.
Dan from Van
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I ask because my studies at UBC (which culminated in an undergraduate degree in Political Science) told me that Canada is a parliamentary democracy. The extension of that notion is that any government unable to pass a budget or any bill deemed to be a test of "confidence" before the rest of the sitting parliamentarians can result in either an election or another party or grouping of parties forming a government.
Again, I'd like to know from my anti-coalition neighbours what kind of a democracy I live in.
Tasso lake in Ottawa
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It was the giddy posturing of the Liberals as the coalition formed was what irked many. This is serious business and for all the reasons Mr. Manley states it should have been clearly stated that the Liberal party took this action with great reservation. That said – I like many Canadians are now leery of Harper’s obsession with power and believe that the maintenance of a united opposition is the only way to confront the divisive tactics that Mr. Harper will undoubtedly employ to have his way.
This entire episode has been an embarrassing disgrace. In my opinion Mr. Harper’s arrogant actions wear the bulk of the blame – but at this point I don’t care. The only positive is that the Canadian public is much more aware and less inclined to put up with partisan games in a time when genuine constructive leadership is gravely needed.
Let’s work together to come up with constructive and effective ideas to manage this economic crisis. The political battles are simply not relevant to most Canadians.
Mustang
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JS, never heard any of these 4 Confirm this. Just coalition propagda
LetsMoveOn
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Prime Minister Michael Ignatieff.
Let's get on with it Liberals.
Larry B
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Mike
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Don from NB
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Hal
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The conservatives are not blind, Harper was probably well aware of the Layton/Dion accord when the House of Commons met.
How can any Canadian support these two men who were planning to usurp the election results immediately following that election.
Tom
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Marc
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Keep it up Mr. Manley, good job.
JS
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As for Manley, it was reported last week that he is one of the 4 economic advisors to the coalition, along with Paul Martin, Frank McKenna, and Roy Romanow. Now, he is basiclly condemming the coalition and Dion. Make up your mind, John, you are either for them or against them.
Laurie Southgate
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In watching the drama that occured this past week in Ottawa, I was concerned at something that I keep hearing people say....the conservatives and the opposition parties. Why do we define the other parties as "opposition" parties? Does that imply that their primary purpose is to "oppose" the government?
Sure members of different parties may have different visions for what the priorities are in Canada, but what about the purpose to serve and represent the people their constituentcy, and also serving the best interest of all Canadians?
This is a time of economic peril across the globe, when people are anxious about the uncertain times we are facing. This is a time of solidarity, leadership, and reassurance of the vision for the path forward for all Canadians. Instead of hearing about truthful reality of the situation we are facing, all I heard from politicians on the news was everything from the sky is falling and no one is trying to catch it; to the opposite extreme of don't worry be happy.
I also found it interesting the other night, how different politicians would say "all Canadians" want or believe.. when making their particular point.
Well, maybe "all Canadians" are concerned about the economy, but only a "few" Canadians (those non-conservative elected) are concerned about focusing on "opposing" the ruling minority government, which ironically can't govern unless some of the opposition members choose to support it.
For myself, the behavior of politicians this past week, did nothing for me to give a vote of confidence for any of them. In a time of crisis we were given no solutions, no support, no guidance, or words of wisdom......just selfishness....no leadership!
Stephen Bosch
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Harper overreached. He's done. He'd best go sooner rather than later.
AW from Toronto
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Don NB
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Jeff Torino
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I hope enough intelligent Liberals back away from this New Libs on the Bloc coalition!
Paul Heffernan
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They need a change now!
Diane M.
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Nicole
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AWB
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John Manley is a Nation Builder like non other in the Liberal Party of Canada.
His leadership as Minister responsible for Industry Canada brought about the Innovation Agenda and means for growth in sector economies across the country.
These efforts, and his ability to pull together disparate groups was squandered by the Liberals several years ago.
Good leadership comes before power - something yet to be realized by the Liberal Party.
CYL
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Anyone out there ?... who is half capable of being PM please apply for the job.
If I behave myself at my workplace the way these politicians have been behaving I would see the door.
Alysha in Ont
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And of course the unions along with Layton and NDPer's have put companies in such positions where they cannot afford to operate without Gov't bailouts now. Pathetic !!!
Ike
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Kevin in Toronto
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M M B Ont
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How can Mr Harper get anything done for Canada and the people when Layton, Dion and Duceppe have already stated they will vote against a Budget in Jan, a budget they have not even seen. What a bunch of idiots we have trying to run this country ! Harper is the only level headed guy there who knows what he is doing but it has to be frustrating for him when dealing with the stooges.
I think we should have an election as soon as possible with just the Coalition against the Conservatives since we have already voted on all the parties... but we have never voted with a Coalition Party on te Ballot. This seems the only fair way to settle this.
For Dion to try and say there are only 2 Parties in the Coalition is LIES because there are 3 signatures on the agrement. My Goodness, this man cannot even add or he is better at lying !!!
CFS
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Anne M
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Note that all the decent men that would have led the Liberals, have abandoned the party, for good reasons I'm sure. They are morally and financially bankrupt.
kdinsk
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The libs need to get it together and frankly i don't think any of their current leadership candidates can cut the mustard. The cheese yes, but the mustard no.
How about considering someone with experience, brains, and the respect of other politicians like Ralph Goodale. Perhaps is French isn't the best but then again look at Dion's english.
Oh yeah he's from the west so he won't stand much of a chance. Sad.
Pip
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Isn't it nice to have a Big Brother who does all your thinking for you!
Mr Manley seems to have hit the nail on the head: it is more important for the survival of the Liberal Party to abandon M. Dion and his "coalition of the willing" (though willing for what?) than it is to "go where no man has gone before" with no thoughts for the consequences.
He is right, Liberals: get out there and raise funds, just like the Conservatives are doing. Perhaps then you would not have to rely on the taxpayer for funding. Without that fundraising (and fence-mending at grassroots level) you will be in no state to fight an election, let alone stand a chance of winning.
Jerry in Merritt
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Vickie
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The Liberals have a leader no one wants (not even his own party). They need a new leader NOW.
The NDP have a leader everyone is sick of seeing and listening to. We now know that he was out to topple government before the election. A new leader is needed NOW.
The Bloc should not even be able to get Federal votes as they look after Quebec only. The people of Quebec should be asked to vote as Canadians in a Federal Election.
Harper, well he just messed up big time. He certainly owes the country an apology and a great budget. Sorry Mr PM but you need to resign.
The new budget, no matter how perfect will be voted down. Rae and Dion have publicly spoken. They are only thinking power not the good of the country.
The GG should never have let this power struggle happen in the first place. She is more than able to sit down and tell all parties they must come to an agreement. She cannot dictate the agreement but she sure as hell should be playing mediator. It is a big sandbox, all players should be able to get along. Giving everyone a time out was a good thing to do.
PM Harper meant well, I truly believe he did. His idea of cutting unnecessary funding from the political parties was a great idea, he just went about it the right way.
The Opposition should be ashamed playing a bully role. Especially since their alliance was not set in stone. It has many cracks, some getting wider by the hour.
I can see an election coming and man oh man, if faces don't change it's going to be a scary one.
Chris
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He's the most CENTERIST as this country can get!!! I myself am a conservative, but I'm very center!!! If Mr. Manley was running and won, he would DEFINITELY have my vote!!!
btennant
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Jerry O'Connor
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If I were a Liberal or NDP MP, I would be looking out for my own skin and if they pursue on supporting this course of action by idiots like Jack Layton and Stephane Dion, then they too can assume that their jobs are now on a precarious ledge. The people of Canada have now given them NOTICE that this kind of behaviour and conduct by elected politicians WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.
DEMOCRACY WILL WIN OUT THE DAY ON THIS ONE.
This country of Canada belongs to the people of Canada....not to a handful of greedy and arrogant politicians hell bent on destroying its most basic and treausured foundation.....DEMOCRACY of the people....by the people...for the people.
Dianne B
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Stuart
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gibson
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a western canadaian
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Diane Ontario
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Tim Bunker (Halifax)
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Gerry in Markham
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However, it must be emphasised that the crisis that led to the coalition being formed was clearly and totally the incompetence of Harper. Harper too needs to go, otherwise the coalition should form the government. Harper has confirmed many times in many wasy that he will not and is in fact incapable of working with others.
Bottom line, Harper goes or the coalition stays!
Radu
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Joseph - Mtl
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rod
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Ron of Toronto
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Bob in Winnipeg
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marat
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PM
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Which is precisely why he has no hope of winning a Liberal leadership contest... The people responsible for choosing Dion would never vote for him.
Alvin Brown
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Joe
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Mike in ON
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The fact that they (Liberal, NDP, Bloc and Green parties) RELY on handouts for their survival as a party is insulting to Canadians.
London G
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juli
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Gary from Okotoks, AB.
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Collin from Alta
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Cale
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Did Iggy miss his big chance by holding out too long instead of effectively doing what Mr. Manley has done?
I'm a conservative and respect Mr. Manley immensely for saying what needed to be said!
Cam...Conservative...and yes, out West
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Liberals moves of late pretty much spell it out..there are very few quality candidates for Leader of the Liberal Party and with the Coalition Crap idea of late...it won't matter who the Liberals choice is as their leader.
Fact is, recent decisions made by the Liberals will see them decimated at the polls in the next elction...even with an excellent leader!
Geoff
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Please change your mind and run for the leadership of the liberals.
Chris in Calgary
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Tandave of Nova Scotia
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Eliz
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Mark
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Work with the Democratically elected Government like the majority of Canadians are demanding.
Once their own house is in order and a new leader is chosen in May if they want to bring down the government and have a legitimate Democratic Election then that is fine.
Rick
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I'm pretty sure a LOT of Liberals were in agreement with this plan. This is shown even at the last caucus meeting where Liberals were yelling down anyone who dared to go against the coalition.
Now that they're seeing this is not a widely accepted idea. It doesn't take much to figure out it was a bad idea hatched by NDPers, including Rae, who see this as their only hope of getting on the national leadership stage.
Now, to save face, they're throwing Dion under the bus (not that he didn't throw himself there a bit), and saying it was all his idea.
Dion does need to go (a long time ago in fact), but the Liberal should also kick out Rae who is simply an NDP in sheeps clothing.
PSAC rules and so does Dion
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LHB in Montreal
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Furthermore I believe you would be a great asset for our Party.
I also believe you are absolutely correct in not running for the Leadership of your Party even though they surely could use someone with your statesmanship at the moment. But I have to say they do not deserve or are ready to accept this right now. TOO BAD FOR OUR GREAT COUNTRY as a Country is only as strong as its leading Party and its Opposition.
A Coalition not being an option.
I must had that I find it rather difficult to hear the leadership hopefull professing they are behind their leader but cannot dispute the thruth of it as you have to be behind someone to push him OFF A CLIFF.
CROSS
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Somebody can see through the rhetoric of all involved.
Harper pushed too many buttons too fast and for his personal gain...not for the country.
If Dion stays then Liberals loose Ontario.
If Rea is "in" then Liberals loose Ontario.
If they don't find a good man in a hurry then they can kiss the party goodbye.
Mr Dion...do as you state...quit for the benefit of the country. We need a working government...and fast!
Ronald in Ottawa
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1. Conservative
2. Greens
3. Bloc
4. NDP - no damned policy
5. NDP#2-the former Liberals
NDP & Libs should merge
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Then we can have the Conservatives and the NDP in Canada to choose from as the Green Party will be gone the way of the dinosaur and should be given their terrible performance under Elizabeth May.
ultamatt n.s.
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Michael from Toronto
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Oh I see Manley wants another election in 2009. How's that going to save money and allow parliament to work on the economy. Does Manley believe the economy will recover by 2009?
I find this incredible coming from an (ex-)federal-level politician.
Jeff from the Stock
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WE LOVE YOU DION.....
never leave us...!!
Michael from Toronto
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I would disagree. If the opposition were truly patriotic they would lump it and realize that as Canadians suffer with job losses and impact from the US-caused meltdown, politicians should at least show token empathy by no longer accepting free handouts.
As for the mini budget, it would be stupid to throw Canadian money at a US-metldown without first seeing what Obama will do in January.
Layton already said he planned this with the Maoist-inspired Duceppe way before the mini budget. Dion and the Liberals were simply too stupid and too unprincipled to turn Layton down.
George in Windsor
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Pat
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Nathan in Stoney Creek
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He has my exact thought on this whole thing.
Dion is a power hungry fool who cannot lead a party and he wants to lead a Nation? Layton is salivating at an idea of having power it makes me wonder if he's doing this for the better good of Canadians or to get his name in Canadian history? Harper does need to lose his arrogance but I do agree with not publicly funding parties. I do not want my taxes ever to go to the BQ. That just makes no sense at all for them to receive any Canadian money.
Go out and do some fundraising.
DM
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My advice for the Liberals:
1. Get on with your leadership race now and put forward a real candidate
that can be the PM or lead a legitimate opposition. Put your own house in order
before you try to take on the Government.
2. Rebuild your party finances out of
the pockets of Liberals across Canada
3. Get out of this compromising position with the separatists
4. Put forward your own budget for Canadians to review and/or approve in
the same time frame as the conservatives if you don't care to work with them
5. Campaign next time on a real platform and obtain a proper mandate from
the electorate to legitimize all of the things you want to do
JPB
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Kevin D
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bunny
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Bruce - Calgary
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CB
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Greg
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Steve in Aylmer
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The A-class Liberals deserted the Party after Chretien and the sponsorship scandal and now they wanna preach Dion should step down.
Dude, where were you, Rock, Tobin, and lets throw McKenna into the equation, when the Party needed you. You deserted them when they were down and out and now the party is stuck with b-class leaders.
Thanks for nothing.