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Date: Wed. Dec. 3 2008 10:33 PM ET
Prime Minister Stephen Harper is expected to ask for a parliamentary time out when he meets with Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean Thursday morning, a day after he accused his political opponents of abusing Canada's democratic traditions.
During a five-minute pre-taped address broadcast Wednesday evening, Harper said the opposition plans to oust his government and seize power would also be bad for the country's economy.
"The opposition is attempting to impose this deal without your say, without your consent and without your vote," he said.
Harper's expected 9:30 a.m. meeting with Jean on Thursday is the latest development in a history-making political storm which erupted earlier this week when the Liberals and NDP formed a coalition, with the support of the Bloc Quebecois, to topple the government.
"At a time like this, a collation with separatists cannot help Canada," said Harper.
Harper also signaled he would be willing to work with the opposition parties in order to deliver an economic plan that will help Canada navigate perilous economic times.
"Canada's government is acting to deal with the crisis right now," he said, adding that the opposition parties should "bring forward specific proposals.
"In fact, we have already changed some of our own proposals to meet their concerns."
Later on Wednesday, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion took to the airwaves and said the Conservatives have done little to help Canadians cope with the global economic crisis.
"Stephen Harper still refuses to propose measures to stimulate the Canadian economy," said Dion. "His mini-budget last week demonstrated that his priority is partisanship and settling ideological scores.
Dion also worked to reassure Canadians that a coalition government could efficiently work for the best interests of the country.
"Coalitions are normal and current practice in many parts of the world and are able to work very successfully," he said.
"They work with simple ingredients: consensus, goodwill and cooperation. Consensus is a great Canadian value."
NDP and Bloc respond
The NDP's Jack Layton said Wednesday that while other countries have been working to stimulate their economies, the Conservatives have been wasting time with partisan politics.
"Stephen Harper simply refused to act," he said, adding the Conservatives also attacked the rights of workers and women.
"Tonight, only one party stands in the way of a government that actually works for Canadians," said Layton.
"Instead of acting on these ideas ... Mr. Harper delivered a partisan attack," he said.
The opposition began to cobble together their coalition after the Tories proposed last week to cut public funding for political parties as a part of their fall economic update.
The update also lacked a sufficient stimulus package, the opposition has said.
The coalition has already informed Jean they have a formal agreement to govern if the Conservatives are toppled on a confidence motion scheduled for Monday.
If that happened, Jean would have to decide whether to send Canadians to the polls or give the coalition the chance to win the confidence of the House of Commons.
But it is expected Harper will ask Jean to prorogue Parliament later this week, until late January, to prevent the confidence motion.
If Jean denies Harper's request for the prorogation, he would be expected to resign.
Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe echoed Layton's sentiments and said that Harper has also attacked Quebecers and democracy
"Stephen Harper showed a serious and worrisome lack of judgment by making putting his party's ideology before the economy," he said Wednesday.
"By acting in an incendiary way, he showed himself unable to govern," he said, adding that Harper's actions have cost him the confidence and trust of Parliament.
Harper's options
Ted McWhinney, a lawyer, former Liberal MP and constitutional expert, told CTV's Mike Duffy Live that Jean does not need to give Harper an answer right away and should talk with a number of advisers.
He also said Jean needs to weigh public opinion on the matter.
"Public opinion is about 50 per cent of constitutional law," McWhinney said Wednesday. "The common sense element is crucial in these things.
McWhinney said there "is a heavy burden" on the opposition to prove that they can form a stable coalition government.
He said it's important for the opposition to put an agreement down on paper, like they have already done, but said the agreement needs to be signed by the Bloc Quebecois in addition to the Liberals and NDP.
McWhinney called the current agreement as is "unsatisfactory."
The Conservatives had planned to deliver their budget on Jan. 27 -- a plan now seen as tenuous.
PR war
Meanwhile, the Conservatives have launched an all-out war, following up Tuesday radio ads with scathing television ads on Wednesday.
In one of the ads a black and white image of Dion -- who would take over as prime minister under the coalition's plan -- is shown while a female voice repeats a central Conservative message that accuses Dion of a power grab.
"In the last election just a few weeks ago Canadians overwhelmingly said 'no' to Stephane Dion as prime minister. Now just a few weeks later Stephane Dion is trying to overturn the election he lost and take power through the back door."
The ad then warns that Dion has given too much power to the Bloc, which would support the coalition but remain outside of government.
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Alok Chadha
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As for this alliance, it is neither illegitimate nor unholy. No party got the majority and Stephen Harper was rightly called to install a minority government. He failed in his duty to take opposition into confidence while running a minority government. Now, if he losses confidence in the Parliament and he still tries to hang on that will be actually death of the democracy. If he wants to project himself as true democratic leader, he should face confidence motion.
Kathleen Walker, Maple Ridge, British Columbia
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Fred in Cochrane
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The democratic world must be giggling to watch this fiasco
Chris S.
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JR from Montreal
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Cochrane
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James, Airdrie Alberta
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Tim
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Peter in New Hazelton
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Diane - London
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Ian in Sask
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eldon from NB
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Next time i bet that Harper will have a majority.
The whole non-confidence vote issue should be scrapped and the elected force to get work and rework legislation untill it is passable.
What these strange bed fellows are up to might be in their interests but not mine and the interest of most Canadians.
Dan
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Mary Clarke
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Does anyone truly wonder,why the West is angry?
A Coalition Govt.led by 2 Quebecer's, one, a self proclaimed separatist, and one an Ontarian,trying to usurp the election results.
I am an Ontarian,but will gladly move West,to oppose this fiasco.
This Country has been politically divided for years.
This is nothing new.
But to "steal" election results is.
The West finally had some say in how our Govt. is run.with fiscal prudence and thought-rather than panicked spendthrift policies,that maydo nothing but leave our Country in massive debt.
We are dependent on the Global Economy,and must leave a lot of room to be cohesive with Global Policies.
The current Global situation has not been played out,and will take caution,pragmatic decisions and time.
That's exactly what the Govt. is TRYING to do,and exactly what they said they would do.
Throwing around Billions of taxpayer dollars in an attempt to simply find short term fixes,is not what this Country needs.[IMHO]
This is a Global Crisis,not simply a Canadian one.
We need to be unified in the Global solution,which has not yet been worked out.
Frantic and massive unproductive spending is the last thing we need.
Harper has already said this.
But the Coalition seems to believe that immediate massive spending,regardless of the outcome,is the preferred method.
These are unprecented times of uncertainty in Global economics.
I would prefer that we tread very carefully,rather than massively spend,where in the end it has no prolonged benefit,and only leaves our predecessors in huge debt.
Kelly Perron
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John E
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Jeff from Dartmouth, NS
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What do I propose? Enough of the 'coalition' nonsence. You lost the election, and the people of Canada put the party into place that they wanted. I didn't even vote for the PC, however I respect that they won, and support their government.
And now they want to take to the air, and speak their minds to national audience? Well, this is just rediculous. WEhy do they have to talk to us? It isn't like we can respond to the TV, and tell it what we think. Harper will tell us what he belives and thinks, Dion will tell us what he thinks and believes, and maybe even Layton as well.
And about that. Why should layton get air time? Dion is the leader of the supposid coalition. Layton agreed to join it, and has also agreed to take on a small roll in it, giving the Liberals and Dion command. He may say that the coalition is not formed yet, but all this talk will be about the coalition, so let the two people who are going to butt heads talk it out with us, who cannot respond to the tv.
I had a lot more to say, but I guess I have to keep this to 300 words or less.
Gerry in Markham
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How can he accuse the opposition parties of not working with him when he showed such disdain for them and the people of Canada with his recent fiancial update.
Rebecca in Ottawa
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You forget your history. Until recently, those with a lot of money (corps, CEOs, unions, etc.) could control a party through control of donations. The solution was to limit donantions to $1000 form any person or business.
But that is not enough for parties to meet their needs, so we added a contribution that was based on the popularity of the party. The party getting the most votes would get the biggest subsidy. Sounds totally fair to me, and I can't fathom wanting to go back to the old system.
Harper wants to because more Conservative voters can afford to give $1000 than can voters for, say, the Green Party. It would cripple all other parties and reduce us to a one-party state like most tyrannical regimes around the world, whether socialist, fascist, or based on some weird leader cult.
For those who thin coalitions are anti-democratic (though they are the norm in a great many democracies), think how democratic we would be with just one party.
Drew in NS
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It the people who decides, Lets go now.
Layton, Dion, Ducey "Its the democracy, Stupid"
Art in Mb
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carl from Alberta
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John E
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VickiTee, Alberta
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Easily solved: hold another election and put the coalition on one ballot. See how many votes they get then....
Sean in Ontario
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Only the opposition parties knew this was coming. They knew it would destabalize our economy and it has.
For yet another day the world's markets gained and ours lost. Follow the money.
They are self-serving "elitists" who care nothing for the rest of us. The use of Liberal Lies continues.
NEVER again.
David - Cavan
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Shawn in Ottawa
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Janice Hillman in Winnipeg
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You get to vote for riding's Member of Parliament.
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There is no "seizure" of power involved.
Get a book about Canada's constitutional system . . . and READ IT.
Jodith
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I for one hope the GG sends us back to the poles and lets see what happens to these stooges then....if they get in so be it, but it will the by the people not by a few individuals who forgot to grow up and act in the best of our country.
Peter
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louise brien
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It's pathetic...does he not understand that his loss of trust will greatly affect Canada on a international level as well?
His dictatorial style is not conducive to leading a minority government....and at this crucial point in time he should step aside.
Phoebe Rogers
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What is this wonderful plan that a coalition has? They have to consult avec les vieux de la vieille to establish a plan for the future. It baffles the brain.
lulu
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It obvious the people of Canada don't trust him as he can never get more than a minority.
He's tarnishing the image of the conservatives and playing politics as though he were a republican using patriotism, socialism, undemocratic as key words to help scare people into helping him stay in power. What's next? Freedom Poutine?
Its time the conservatives realized that they will never get anywhere with Harper at the helm.
Resign Harper. Its the what a bigger man would do.
Dave Corfield
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E.Sime
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govern this wonderful country.None are up to the task.
Cathy Shannon
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Stephane Dion did not get the support of the voting public, and apparently his party agrees as they head into another leadership convention to choose a new leader, but let's make him the leader of the new coalition government, both the Liberals and the NDP have sold their souls to a party that for years has tried to seperate us as Canadians, what a great idea let's create an even bigger problem in Canada at what price. The coalition governments idea let's just throw billions out there without a game plan to stimulate the economy after all why think about it let's just join together as the unholy alliance because we don't like the toys in the sand box create a big deficit and call it a stimulus package, let's not wait for a budget that is unacceptable to decide we have no confidence in the government, let's ask for a life preserver from the seperartist party just what every canadian voted for.As a Canadian i want my vote to be heard. i hope the GG will now call an election so that we can again vote, and give the mandate necessary to kick the unholy alliance and seperatists out on their rear ends, what are they afraid of losing what little support they have left.
Bernard & Magda Miron Penticton B.C.
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Rob Schmidt
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Prime Minister Harper, Jack Layton, Stephane Dion, and Gilles Duceppe
This power struggle of yours is bad for the country. I did not vote for a coalition and I did not vote for political uncertainty during difficult times. As far as I am concerned all four of you should RESIGN AND HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME for your poor behaviour!!! It time to get back to running the country.
Jason, BC
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Bernie Haddad
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1- A psychological assessment.
2- a full term of study of political sciences.
and because of the above, all of them should be thrown out of the Parliament which represents the people of Canada and not a bunch of idiots, egoists and selfish individuals who does not think except about their personal interests and mooooneyyyyy!?
Rex
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David Crittin
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TMac
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How is BQ support of a Liberal/NDP coalition any more dangerous than BQ support of a Tory minority? The BQ has supported numerous Tory bills in the house in recent years and Harper has accepted these votes.
Garry Card
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At one time people were proud to be Canadian and came to this country for that sole reason. Now we are know as not having any values or pride in our country. Lets get back to reality.
The separatist Bloc should not even be in the house of Commons. They are a provincal party and they make no mistake about the fact that they want to separate from the rest of Canada.
Stephane Dion lost the election and his party is looking for new leadership. How can we allow him to become Prime Minister when his party doesn't even want him as a leader of the Liberals?
There is more to Canada than the province of Quebec. They continue to take and give nothing back to Canada except to threaten us with separation.
macc - Ottawa
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Take away your feelings about Harper, Dion, Layton and Duceppe and look at the facts - the economic statement was a statement not binding policy and cause for the Government to fall.
Harper govt plans a budget around 27Jan - that is what should be voted on not the statement !
Coalition plans a budget - guess what - around the same time ! - maybe ....
Harper won the election - Coalition did NOT
Harper won the right to lead - Coalition did NOT
85% of Canada did NOT vote for the BQ yet they are getting 100% control as they hold the balance of support of either the Government or the Coalition...
The Coalition will NOT do anything over the next month so why bring the Government down ?
This is a power grab because Mr. Dion and Mr. Layton are frustrated at not winning the leadership of this country - they opposition are to keep the government in check not destroy it
Canada is not falling apart - people ARE NOT loosing their jobs on mass - the banks are not failing, the sky is not falling - for goodness sake - for sanity, and the state of our country - everyone take a step back !
F. Burke
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Malcolm John
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Chris
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AS far as budget Harper didn't do this to Canada it started in the states and yes it will take time to get the economy back on track everyone knows this. When the states recover so will we not before, so reckless spending only puts us more in debit. Yes some sectors will need help but the coalition will only kill more jobs than create. From Chris.
AMG - BC
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Edmonton John
"Too many people are just becoming mules for propaganda.
They pack misinformation from one speaker to another medium as if by shear repetition their dissembling exaggerations will become accepted as truth.
As Harper begins his desperate media campaign we will be inundated with falsehoods and misinformation engineered by media professionals to evoke specific reactions.
What we will be reading on the blogs is sadly not a discussion that moves the dialogue ahead, but one that dissolves into partisan arguments about Harper's lies.
For instance his biggest 'lie' is branding the coalition through association with the Bloc. I will not dignify the term he uses by repetition, but you hear it every time he refers to the Coalition. This message is misleading, hypocritical and divisive.
By repeating it on the blogs, Conservative supporters may convince a few people, but they will get no closer to the truth, and consequently we will get no closer to a better future for Canada".
I've been on the internet since the early 90's, before the the majority of people even knew it existed, I have an ICQ number that is 6 digits.
The interference by government and namely CPC 'professional' bloggers on these boards goes against everything that the internet was designed and intended for.. free speech and a flow of information that eventually leads to the truth. Be very afraid when those in power can inundate this one remaining bastion of freedom with their lies.
Brian Crump
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Rick
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I did not vote Conservative, but I respect the opinion of the PEOPLE. The current government has only started
to address the concerns of the Canadian people and the recession. They haven't even had time to evaluate the
effectiveness of their plan.
Limiting the right to strike and curbing government spending during a recession seems reasonable. I certainly
hope this move provides instant relief as this will be watch not only by Canadians, but the World.
I see this as an opportunistic grab for power that could not come at a worse time.
If your coalition government does not provide immediate economic relief, I hope the public removes you quickly. I also believe that if there are not instant, tangible results this move will hurt the Liberals and NDP in future elections. How could Mr. Dion even be considered to lead this new government when the Liberal Party themselves have lost confidence in his ability to lead. When asked if the leaders of the coalition can work together considering their difference of opinion, they have stated that they have to work together for the good of the Canadaian people. Why aren't they doing that same thing now with the Conservatives? Just looking and listening to Dion you realize this man does not have a clue as to how to run a country. He can't give you answers or time-lines. What are they thinking in working together with separatists while claiming to bring the country together! The statemment that the Coalition government will bring Canada into the black within four years. Four years! That is not a plan. It is an embarassment.
Maurice in Edmonton
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Under our constitution a coalition is legal although the "regressive" conservatives would like us to believe otherwise and one such coalition has been formed with two parties signing as members and one party, the Separatists, signing on that they would support all "confidence votes" that may arise for the next 18 months. They would be free to vote with the opposition on other than confidence votes. What I have read indicates there is no Veto either agreed to or implied. Another regressive conservative stretching of the truth.
I would support a coalition government but my preference would be the present government under a new leader and Finance Minister (remember him and Ontario a few years back with a 5 Billion dollars deficit). PM Harper has blown any credibility that may had had and Minister Flaherty has shown himself to be overmatched once again.
Tony form Barrie Ontario
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happening Ottawa.Harper did make a mistake,but I do not agree with the coalition response.I cannot accept that a separatist party holds the balance of power in this coalition, where is Western Canada's representation in this coalition? This move by the Liberal's, N.D.P. and the Block will just create more division in our country, the only winner's will be Quebec's seperatist party the Block.
Shocked and underawed
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Aline from Holland Landing
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Eleanor
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Joanne from Winnipeg
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Fred, Nova Scotia
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Does everyone remember when Harper addressed the country about the enviroment and he said that to keep the country with enviromental standards we would most likely go into defecit, and yet still everyone agreed and thought it was a good idea. So here we are on the brink of a defecit and everyone is backing out on Harper???
No one must remember what it was like with liberals in power, cheating us out of our money to buy watches??? so many lies, deceit, betrayal to the people of their own country. for god sakes people dont let liberals in!!!! IMO- Harper is doing great.
Cheryl from Montreal
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All parties should roll up their sleeves and get back to work on the economy and stop these hare-brained schemes.
Diane from London
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The opposition didn't like the fact that they would be losing money. This part of the economic statement removed. That should have been sufficient to keep things going but they are still going ahead without giving the PM a chance to present a budget.
After watching performances in the House of Common I think this three are just ganging up on the Prime Minister because they don't like him. They themselves have nothing in common and it will all fall apart as it is based on hate not on cooperation.
It will only be a matter of time.
Shaun
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should be put in jail for trying to bring down the Government.
This is an internal terrorist attack by our own political parties, which needs to be stopped.
I voted for the Conservatives not a coalition government.
The truth is out
richard su
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and not to tyrannize them since the current government is a MINORITY. Just because his party won the most seats and it doesn't mean he is the boss in the house!
Lainie
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As a young voter I am disgusted!!!
Michael Cota
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I hope, for the sake of Canada, that the Conservatives select a new leader, one who works for and with all Canadians. Finally, our Parliament must be surpeme and if the majority of elected MPs want to change the government then these elected MPs should be allowed to do so. That is our democracy. I voted for an MP and it is up to my MP to do whatever it takes to make Parliament work.
Derrick
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I can't bear the thought of being ruled by the three stooges!!!
Chris
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Doesn't this concern anyone?
I just pray that the GG gives this some serious thought before making her decision.
This coalition could seriously divide our country.
Chris
Belle River, Onatrio
DS from Oshawa
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More specifically:
(1) If the PCs' economic policies are bad, then we Canadians give them the heave-ho. But we Canadians must get to do it. That's called an election.
(2) The opposition parties say Harper's government has to go - what is at stake is too important to let the PCs continue to govern. If it is that important, it is worth the inconvenience and cost of another election. If holding another election at this time is too inconvenient and too costly, then the issue cannot be all that important.
(3) No one talked about a possible coalition during the election. Canadians were presented with the choice between PC, Liberal, NDP, Green or (in some ridings at least) independents. We voted on those choices. If two or more parties want to put forward a coalition option, then they should put it forward to Canadians and we'll decide if we want it.
(4) Stefan Dion does not have the confidence of his own party (which, even under the proposed coalition, is still going ahead with a leadership convention in 2009 to replace him). In the last election, a large majority of Canadians did not want him as Prime Minister (and according to very recent polls, they still don't want him as Prime Minister). So it would be an affront to the Canadian electorate to make him Prime Minister now. I seem to recall that Jack Layton scored better in the pre-election polls in terms of choice for Prime Minister - why not make him Prime Minister under the coalition?
(5) The Liberal party will choose a new party leader in 2009. That is their right, and Canadians (those outside of the party membership) should not have a say in that choice. But by the same token, Canadians should have a say in the choice of Canada's leader the Prime Minister - not just the Liberal party membership.
(6) Holding another election is a viable option - especially if what's at stake is so important. We could have it in early January. That would give all parties the time they need to convince us they are right. And if having a coalition is still on the table at that time, then Canadians will have an opportunity to decide if we want that.
Tammy Benard
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Steve
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Now the bully is planning to run and hide. I think Harper should quit with dignity and if the coalition is such a bad idea it will collapse and a new Conservative leader can win a majority in the next election!!.
The fact is the one thing Harper said in the election that is true is that the Conservatives do not get in power often and the reason is when they do they create such a mess we do not want them back for years.
Janet in Niagara - still a Westerner at heart
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us above and beyond rehashing the latest polls.
Charles Sampson
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c.t.v.
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The media needs to stop dwelling and focusing on irrelevant data, for one, that 62% of Canadians did not vote for the PC party. Even with majorities, have previous governments ever had over 50% of the popular vote? I can't recall the last time when that happened and I know it has never happened with four major parties.
What is more on point and really more relevant is that only 42.4% voted for the coalition partners, who by their own definition includes only the liberals and the NDP. That percentage is less than the majority of Canadians and more important the seats needed to form a true workable majority coalition.
Let's face facts, the bloc vote only support motions, no matter which party(s) are in power, which benefit Quebec interests, end of story, so to milk this coalition for their own gain and at the cost of the rest of Canada. This would become a blight on Canada's future and history if it happens.
It is only an opinion but it seems this is little more than a last ditch power grab by Mr. Dion to become the PM before he is forced out as leader of the liberals. Mr. Dion truly feels in his mind he's owed and entitled the title of PM.
The media must try to be less partisan by spreading distorted data without vetting such data and offering opinion and analysis from all sides. Try becoming less like CNN or worse faux news, by putting integrity above the lust for ratings.
Rick Borgen Drayton Valley Ab
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Now is the time all the parties, and indeed all Canadians need to pull together as one, and work as one Nation, to weather the upcoming economic storm on the horizon. Instead I fear that this coalition move will only divide the country further apart, making Canada more vulnerable to a deeper reccesion. There was no coalition on my ballot during the last election, all the parties need to drop this nonsense, and start designing a plan for Canada's near future. Shame on all of our political parties. Their promises to look out for Canada's best interests? Nothing but lies!
chris..nelson,b.c
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Shawn Rodgers
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george
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Hugh Freeman
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Joanne Myers, Ottawa, ON
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And, what is the pay off to the Bloc? What has the Bloc been promised for this support? The thought of what it may be is frightening.
This coalition with the Bloc is appalling and disgusting.
Lois Martin
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Fred
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I VOTED for Harper and though he goofed a few times;Canadians chose him.If this coalition is(?) approved,I think both the Liberals and the NDP will be wiped right off the map in the next election; just like Campbell was in the 80s.
Ross McLean
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George, Ottawa
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Robert G
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Pat Dewhurst
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Joe
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Morton Grant
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Maureen
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Tyson - AB
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Taking taxpayers money away from political parties was the biggest attack on democracy in years.If your only source of funds is from Big Bussiness(I dont want hear, that donations can come from other places, because there insignificant), who do you think your gonna represent the people, or the corporations you tell me?
Obama wouldnt be president if It wasnt for Big Bussiness, I dont want to follow in ways of fascist america.
We need to drop the Reagan Rhetoric of "It still morning" Coalition is about teamwork and sustainablity
And for you who think Harper has a majority for sure in another election remember he just lost every riding in Quebec he holds, refering to them as Devils
al_mcw55
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Eve
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L. Welsh
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I am proud to be a Canadian, but partisan politics now come before the needs of our great nation. We are on the verge of an economic recession, and Mr. Dion, Mr. Layton, and Mr. Duceppe believe that it is in the best interest of Canadians to bring down the government? Tell me, when did “the interests of Canadians” actually boil down to the interests of only three of them?
It does not matter which party each of us voted for on election day, at the end of the day Steven Harper was voted into a second term. We did not vote in Stephan Dion, but right now the Federal government’s actions say that what we decide does not matter.
I am a Canadian, and I do not want to see our greatness and resilience slowly fade at the expense of a few people’s selfishness. Unless there is just reason, the decision of the majority must be final.
Otto. Surrey BC.
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Maybe this time Steve Harper will get 100%
I do not know how Dion was pick for Liberal leader? Or bob Ray?
Helen Olson, Prince Albert
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A Canadian View
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Getting past the firestorm of insults and name calling, it appears what initiated this proposed coalition of opposition parties is the Conservative governments plan to rescind government subsidies to the political parties. The Lib’s and ND’s outrage are matched by my outrage over their addiction to taxpayer funded welfare.
Putting that aside though, let’s look at the coalition agreements. The documents outlining the basic agreement by the 3 opposition parties do not match up. The Bloc’s edition is not signed or posted in our two official languages; so much for equality in Quebec. The Bloc version seems to lay out a very long list of expenditures with no price tag nor a commitment to cooperate with the two other parties. Mssrs Layton and Dion have not made a case for an alternative arrangement but that won’t let that stop them from making a pure grab for power. Let’s hope our Governor General has the smarts to spot the flaws. The arrangements do not make a case for a 3 party coalition. Call their bluff, call an election.
L in T.O.
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If this coalition was a valid option it should have happened on election night. but then there would not be a KING of Canada.
I actually considered voting for Ed BroadBent if he had run - I thought he was a man of integrity regardless of party. I am sorely disapoiinted and proud to have voted conservative.
BUSH Politics has arrived in Canada!
John Witham
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In the letter I strongly urged him to skip the vote on Monday.
Liberal voters cast their ballots for a Liberal government; not an NDP/Bloc government and we should all take the time to remind our Liberal MP's of this simple fact.
Robin Pentney
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These three are like Larry, Moe and curly Joe! Question period has Stephan yelling like a high school kid till he is hoarse, (a definite plus) and Jack the Knife taking arcane pot shots which get him, and us nowhere. Meanwhile, brother Gilles just smiles. The other 2 are doing his work for him.
Every single soul who sets foot in the House of Commons has a duty to do the business of the Canadian people, not further their own agendas! If they can not contribute something germaine to the business of the country, they desperately need to keep their mouths shut. Canadians are appalled at the performance of elected representatives in the house. High school kids conduct themselves with more decorum than this!
Drop the act and get back to work people!
Brenda
said
I don't think Harper should resign the opposition should be the ones to reign they are the bullies.
Well all I can say is I sure wish the Government would get back to running the country and quit acting like no quit acting worse than spoiled kids
Brenda T
Colleen May
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Brian Clancey
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Sally L Martin
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I am fed up with the idiots in Government today. I try my damnest to get others to vote or at least take interest. They tell me they're all the same. Get rid of both Harper and Dion. Leaders Ha.
Better yet change the system to the American way of voting. At least they have a choice of who will represent them in their district and who will be the head of the country.
With jobs falling all around us and the economy in the crapper these idiots decide to play games. I'm 58 yrs old and never, ever failed to vote but I ready to give up too.
Cyndy
said
The majority of Canadians DIDN'T vote. It's not "the majority of Canadians didn't vote for Steve. Lowest voter turn out ever.
George Everett, Fall River NS
said
Harper with their own questionable ways. The voters who put this bunch of clowns in place are the losers once again. They all need to be severely chastied and put back to work instead of behaving like a children on the playground.
Yvonne in Sidney, BC
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Dorothy Wilson
said
Just what does this do to our Armed Forces , our Western provinces , to solidify a always perilous Canadian unity .
My 85 year old brother has the right idea - lets go all the way - say goodbye to Eastern Canada arrogance and their lame duck deperados and form a WESTERN Canada Alliance of the prairie provinces , plus BC .
I have lived in many countries , where this idiocy would not be tolerated - what does it take to get Canadians angry enough to take a stand against neopotism , and an elected Conservative
government is not in this category lke it or not !
jonathan
said
What is going on here? Is this formation of a coalition possible? Is it in the best interests of Canadians? I know we all have our own perceptions but if we could just lay our party preferences aside for a moment and truly think common sense of all this. Get/study all the facts, not listen to propaganda (very noticeable in North American culture), understand truths, not fallible information floating around. Right now we are in a very fragile moment in time, not only on a global scale but here at home. The future of Canada could be left in the hands of a few marionettes being controlled by bureaucrats. Is this really democracy? I have read so many comments by individuals and some have been very thought provoking, while a large percent can not see past their own party colors. Is this who we really are as Canadians? Party goers or are we Canadians United and Strong with a people first focus? In this decrepit crisis, we need to be very cautious as Canadians to really understand what is a stake as a nation. Many Canadians are quick to shoot off with their mouth political babble and non-sense, and risk being narrow minded and ignorant.
How many Canadians or those to post comments have really taken time to read party policies and understand what is being transmitted? the fact is that Steven Harper has been voted in by our people to represent Canada and try to do his best. Whether we like it or not! Although not perfect by any means, I'm glad there is no bail out, isn't what this is about? "Rich to be richer", we all knew that there are risks in the market and it will always be an unstable system.
F. Burke
said
Coalitions are a legitimate form of government, well known in parliamentary democracies in many parts of the world.
The proposed coalition is made up of Liberals and New Democrats. The Bloc Quebecois supports the coalition, but is not part of it.
Mr. Harper is fully aware of this and his deliberate misrepresentation of the facts can only be called lying.
Cara Ottawa
said
Dominic from Toronto
said
Option 1: Prorogue with a defeated budget and call an election.
Option 2: Prorogue with a defeated budget and a Coalition of a three-headed-monster.
An election ($300 million) is better for Canada than the Coalition (Bloc to get extra $1.3 Billion and a veto) where the separatists hold the balance of power with secret side-deals.
An election will be about the same time as the Jan 26th budget... GG Jean, please consider a new election?!
Donald Roger McRae
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Caron
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SHAME ON THE POLICITIANS OF CANADA
Deanna Arnprior
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David Garon
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Beneton
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Robb
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l warne
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Alberta Boy
said
I say no to this and it is time for a new vote
catherine
said
Bob
said
I like most Canadians am uteraly appauled in what is going on in parliament at this time. How this three headed sock puppet calling itself the coalition should never be aloud
to govern this country. What ever you have to do to stop this please do so.I did not vote for these yard birds. If we have to spend another 300 million on a election then lets do it, l bet you will get the Majority this time!!
Mike UG
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Donna
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Maurice
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I would have either prorogue until january and then vote on something of substance. Either that or an election. What did we vote for in the first place. And the majority of the voters will probably make the same choice again.
Mark
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Pat in Lloydminster
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Don DiMonte
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A. Conda
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GJ
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how must the natives feel about being governed by someone they didnt elect ... or invite
Might want to ponder how meaningless your voice really is in the grand scheme of things.
anyways ..
Harper needs to stop whining and fear mongering, and deliver a stimulus package that has some teeth, a plan, a program , even a HINT , to show the country he is on the job, with a clear defined PLAN .. not trying to save his while the economy falls around our ears.
Mark my words, the recession will be borderline depression regardless of who does what, and inaction , or delay to action will only make it worse.
A 48 billion deficit will be a drop in the bucket compared to the true costs ahead.
All this mumbo jumbo about who is elected, or not, is all meaningless. Get someone in charge , and start the fixes, or there will be nothing left to fix.
I would rather have the 'gang of 3' than someone who doesnt have a clue what to do. Its not saying much for any of them tho.
Harry98
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John from St. John's
said
If the government falls with a non confidence vote - there's an election or a coalition. If The PM prorogues Parliment, this does nothing only to drag this out over a longer period of time. Canada is in a huge financial jam and if Prime Minister Harper is going to continue to fiddle, than Canadians will have to get someone else to do the job.
Zeke
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Glyde Miller May
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Vince Castonguay, Wheatley, Ontario
said
If this coalition deal made in hell with The Bloc succeeds, do Canadians realize that their elected Government will sit in opposition to the Liberals, NDP and the separatists who will ALL reside on the Government side of the House.
The back room, secret deals to keep this coalition together until they gain power would no doubt alarm most of us.
The question is "Is it moral and acceptable to Canadians that a separatist party dedicated to the destruction of Canada, sit as part of the Government?
Michael Lunney
said
There is an old saying that if you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it and this is what is occurring now. It is true we had a coalition government back in 1917. This coalition was formed to deal with the conscription crisis during WWI. The result was deep divisions of the political parties based essentially upon language. This division is pretty much what started our current Quebec problems. In addition, the coalition was trying in their minds to find the man power necessary to continue the fight against our enemies (Germany, etc). That was the last time a coalition government was formed, not even during the Great Depression did political parties attempt another. The current coalition has no such lofty goals like the last; it is merely an attempt to save them from losing their funding per voter. In essence, they are motivated by nothing more than self preserving greed, and greed is what precipitated this current economic crisis that the world is in today.
On a personal level, the actions of the coalition parties disgust me and I believe that their actions will only be detrimental to Canada. Did anyone see Ms. May's reaction to a perceived appointment, she seems giddy at the prospect of power, and she almost scares me.
Layton in NB
said
The very people you see and hear screaming that we are being OVER taxed, that's the same generation who helped run up this massive debt in the first place and now they don't want to pay for it? BULL$% !!! Throw out the Conservatives, had they actually taken care of OUR tax dollars, there would be money for economic stimulus. A planned and thought out investment in our nation to help kick our economy in the arse. Harper has no plan...Go coalition!!!
Garry Fancy
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Dayton
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Rob
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Chris B Halifax NS
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Pat
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Sue, Alberta
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Cathi, Tisdale, Sk
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Randy
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gary d from lethb ridge
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CF from Calgary
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Max Julien
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barry caswell.
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linda
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I didnt vote conservatives last time but I will next time - who do the others think they are seizing power when they havent earned it?
ray
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JAGuar
said
Do the math properly people! You will note that only 26.2% voted Liberal in the last election. That means that 73.8% DIDN'T vote for Dion! Only 18.2% voted NDP. That means that 81.8% DIDN'T vote for Layton! All in all, Harper had the least percentage of people who DIDN'T vote for him! That makes him the winner! It's reverse math!
This "62.4% didn't vote for Harper" is all just a mind game to get people to back the "LiberalNDPBlocGreen" party which, when all is said and done, is a bunch of sore losers.
stan
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C.Gibson
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Linda Mattawa, ON
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MIchael (Ottawa)
said
Beyond this violation we are faced with separatists at the table of government. Surely this is against our constitution! How can you allow traitors to the Canadian cause at the table of government? It's simply outrageous.
We need another election now.
Michelle in Niagara
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Tony D
said
It seems to me that Harper started the problem and Dion is trying to take advantage. Both should get booted out from their parties and let us get honest polititian that they realy care about this country.
Netta Dafoe
said
Mr Duceppe to gain power. If the economy goes down the drain I lay the blame not at
the feet of Prime Minister Harper but at the Opposition leaders. They have made their lust for power to be the prime subject rather than letting the government get on with the work of keeping this economy above water.
Shame on all of them
tp
said
The new prime minister, whether he or she, should use this example of dysfunction to proceed in the new year to accelerate the discussions toward proportional representation.
stephanie peddle
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Jim in Trenton
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Rob in On
said
Every Canadian should be outraged. Tweedle Dee (Iggy) and Tweedle Dumb (Bob Rae) keep telling us that the Prime Minister has lost the confidence of the house! Should they not let parliament get rolling first before brazenly making such ridiculous assumptions?
( didn't they just pass the thrown speech?) All those two can do, is salivate at the possibility of power and they'll do nothing short of treason to get it! Yes it is within Parliamentary right to pull off this coalition khoo, but we haven't even let the dust settle from the election and the Conservatives haven't had the chance to govern. I guess it's not the will of the people but the opportunity to sieze power that really matters in our flawed Parliamentary system. All Canadians should be concerned that our democratic choice is being ignored! We gave the Conservatives a NEW mandate and this kangaroo political alliance should respect that!!
Gary in SSM
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GB
Ian from Regina
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Lloyd Blanchard
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valerie
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Rodney
said
Why he had to make this vote a confidence vote only he can say. He united the right and it seems his uniting abilities now extend to the left. He united them as well. It is time the Conservatives let this go to a vote, or replace Harper with a new Prime Minister.
He is using the Unity question to hang onto power and this is what bothers me the most.
Marilyn McDonald Sault Ste. Marie, ON
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Bernie, Moncton
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Kelsey - Winnipeg
said
Well John, I guess to use your own methodology; no one voted for this new co-op party. They voted for individual parties that ran on different platforms! The Liberals need to fix their own party before trying to run a country. They don’t even want Dion running the party, so how can he run the country.
This whole thing is a joke. Maybe they should co-operate for the greater good of Canada.
William HIckey St. Johns Newfoundland
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Tracy Krahn
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Dean Chapman
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Hal
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joe
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Deb
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Adam, Kingston
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When anglophones speak for the french and what they repreasent then that further invigorates the power of separtism. The french bloc is in the federal government to protect the interests of the french at the national level. As long as anglophones continue to speak for the french there will always be a level of separtism. This isnt about separtism this is about the best interests for quebec, which the bloc would most certaintly endorse as they have with the conservatives in the past to form a government.
joy
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Mike
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Gravff Itti
said
The democraticaly elected, legitimate opposition has the right, and obligation, to vote on matters of confidence.
The Governor General is obligated to ensure the governing party adheres to our constitutionally mandated, parliamentry laws.
For Mr. Harper to deny our Members of Parliament their democratically legitimate due right to vote on matters of confidence is deriliction of his Prime Ministerial duities.
Further, to willfully enflame the situation with accusations of treason and sedition is an affront to all Canadians.
The Governor General is obligated to ensure the governing party faces a vote of confidence. No progrogation. Face the democratically elected opposition now.
ben
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Kevin from Hamilton
said
As for the coalition not being what you voted for... in a minority government situation you have to work with the other parties... it is obvious the 3 parties are willing to work together for the betterment of Canada. Our system was set up with coalitions in mind.
As for our embattled PM, you made your bed, now lie in it, not in the press.
The Economic Statement is a budget statement... it indicates that this is the way the government plans to deal with the economy.
Now after all of the uproar the government has caused... they want to come back in Jan with another kick at the can.
The government made their bet and the opposition parties are calling their bluff.
Larry NL
said
I wouldn't trust a liberal to show me how to cross the street. They lie and when they aren't lying, they are robbing the poor to give to the rich and taking a cut for them selves.
Bob from BC
said
Just remember though, it's all politics. The 'Coalition' is screaming for the government to state their policy on the economy. If the coalition went ahead tomorrow, when would they put their policy forward? Bet they'd have to wait for Obama to become president and see what he does. Bottom line we're no farther ahead. Nothing back a power grab simply because they can at the moment.
Lou a Canadian first.
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Nate from the Bay
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Sue in Sask
said
you wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if you hadn't been so childishly insecure and made everything and the kitchen sink a CONFIDENCE VOTE last year. Didn't you know that wasn't necessary? You made those you VOWed to work with unable to do their job.
And in case you're friends didn't do the math for you, more people VOTED AGAINST your party in the last election than voted for your party.
But thanks for the lively politcal news these days...much more exciting than the liberals hanging out in the foyer not voting yet again.
Karyn
said
More importantly - Harper is the only Prime Minister to ever recognize Quebec as a nation in the House of Commons -- THAT PEOPLE, is far more dangerous and telling of what that man will do or how low he will sink to get power.
A smart man would not have pulled the school boy hijinks of bullying that Harper did last week. He should resign and save the country this crisis.
Sharon Burke
said
Scott - not near Coldwater, ON
said
However, what is disturbing, the man who will become Prime Minister in this coalition has the lowest approval rate of any Liberal leader. The party which supports this coalition is a party that is only represented by one Province and it has to be known that this one province will greatly benefit by this fact.
We also, have no idea as to what backroom agreement has been played for these three parties, a fourth actually now that May gets to become a Senator for life.
Just because they have signed an agreement to toss out the ruling, abeit minority party, we the people would like to know their agenda, where, what how, why before these power hungry politians grab everything.
The only good to come out of this is that on the next election most of Canada will be sufficiently angry with this coalition that the Liberals and NDP will drop out of the radar, too bad Iggy, too bad Rae.
Rae, just do not leave Canada in rags as you did with Ontario.
Niagara George
said
Unfortunately, they were in an uncomfortable position, with Martin on the way out. When Dion was selected leader, it soon became clear that he did not really have the support of his caucus.
All of that gave Harper and the Cons an opportunity to run all over parliament. He did not govern in the way you would expect from a minority.
With Dion on the way out, Harper thought he could up the pressure and start to bring out some of his infamous 'hidden agenda.'
Something had to happen to show this power-crazed idealogue that parliament has a tradition that he cannot destroy.
Amazingly, the Liberals and NDP were able to sort out their significant differences in only one weekend.
Harper had been unable to gaim any real support from the other parties in over two years! He had his chance and ruined it.
Give the coalition an opportunity to rescue Canada!
Fleur
said
Chris P. Calgary
said
The only ones that are going to be screwed on this Coalition is Western Canada. Why should we stay in this broken relationship called Canada?
ps: To those who say that the west can't separate; oh yes we can.
concerned Citizen
said
We need a leader that is a leader! That has more a kindergarden approch to running this country. All I have heard is name calling, back stabbing, who wants to listen to more of the same! It would be great if they would talk about the needs of our country, and what plans they have in running this country, I haven't heard anything that concerns that yet!
Vivian BC
said
Stewie in Ottawa
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Vancouverite
said
Of course not, that would make too much sense.
Mark my word, the whole thing is going to implode...all three of these guys are finished when this plays out completely.
Unfortunately we don't have that time, and its going to hurt all of us.
Jay from Alberta
said
If this coalition goes ahead it will be nothing more than a second NEP for the west. Jack Layton will be the environmental minister. He's already wanting to shut down the oilsands. This isn't going to help the economy. There will be lost jobs from people across Canada.
It's been said in the comments you'll hear of Western Seperation and I agree. Let the East freeze in the dark. They won't be able to afford the oil.
Anders Hayden
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Lorne Jordan
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John Neufeld
said
It looks as if they never had any intention of working with the Conservatives.
Tired of the system
said
It's a sad state we put ourselves into that a party that will never win a seat outside of one province now holds the cards..
Two parties, one winner.
Morris - Toronto
said
We vote for a federal Governement with the same system other countries vote for their mayor !!
Mr. Harper is allowed to represent the entire Country with a vote share of 37%.
This is NOT a democracy.
This does NOT provide stability.
The Governor General has no options but to change the electoral system.
1-Your party gets a % of seats based on how many votes you had, NOT how many MPP were elected !
2-You either have 50%+1 vote by yourself or with a coalition or you won't govern the country.
It's that simple !
In the meantime, her way out would be:
2 one way tickets for Mr. Harper and Mr.Dion to Galapagos Islands to review Darwin's Theories
Get all the parties together to come up with some form of technical cabinet to manage this global crisis.
One last thing.
Please, all of you guys in Ottawa, stop using the TV to show your smiley confident face trying to sell your points.
Canadians are tired and you are not helping.
Randy
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Craig
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Jonah
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Steve in Aylmer
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That should have been the headline!
Tom in Etobicoke
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Henry
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emanuel miggiani
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Al
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Kristy Hayden
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Jordan
said
We have serious problems on our hands here an it will take a serious effort on all our parts to start seeing eye to eye. I do think that it should be put to the people, to be true to democracy, but maybe this is a sign of a fault in the system.
Lets talk about proportional representation or better yet, for true democracy, lets go all the way for inividual representation. Instead of voting for "leaders", lets vote for laws and motions ourselves. That is true democracy, where each individual has a say, not somebody to have a say for us.
Also, lets get local. Why have all your power centred thousands of km away, when the real issues are in your backyard?
Harper doesn't have enough support to run the country effectivel for the 2nd election in a row. It's time for a change in the system because our hands are tied with the current structure. We need to find an alternative system, one that can keep up with rapid change tht we are seeing on all levels.
Lets be brave, embrace the future, embrace change. We can do it!
Maritimer in Winnipeg
said
You wrote "As a Maritimer I will absolutely welcome a coalition government! I do not like Stephen Harper or the way he runs things. He hasn't done anything to improve or help the Maritimes."
I must say I'm shocked, as one Maritimer to another, ask yourself who in all of Canada has the most to lose with the Bloc having increased power? The Maritimes! Do you not remember the nervousness and the fear in the East of being cut off from mainland Canada during the height of separatist talk? Or do simply not care? You say Mr. Harper hasn't done anything for the Maritimes but honestly what do you think Gilles Duceppe will do for you because in case it hasn't set in buddy, he holds the balance of power on all great and wonderful things you think this coalition will do for us Maritimer’s. Just think about it.
Frank Campbell
said
Jen
said
I say to you respectively Most Honorable Mr. Harper, please do your job as you were voted in to do. Stop whining like a child to his mother or attacking others who oppose your ideas, and hiding from issues that you are too afraid to deal with. Work with, not against, your colleagues to find the much needed answers to Canada's many issues at hand. Start "Standing up for Canada" and her people and perhaps the Opposition wouldn't feel like they have to do it for you.
Sask Man
said
This is the only time in the next 18 months that the opposition would dare do this, so they have seized the moment.
These opposition leaders let greed and power go to their heads and will in the end loose.
It will affect the next liberal leader's chances to be PM as well.
Michael Neilly
said
With the New Strong, Elizabeth May, who ran for office but doesn’t even have a seat in parliament, feels she is entitled to a cabinet seat. If you ran and lost, you are entitled. Based on this new criterion, since I didn't even run in this election, I am likewise entitled.
With the New Strong, people whom Canadians felt were unfit to govern just a scant six weeks ago deem themselves fit, without a pesky, democratic election.
The New Strong. I was so excited with my new-found powers that I emailed our three opposition leaders and told them that if their candidates ever showed up at my door, they’d be driven from the property. As for Duceppe, I asked him to remember Mussolini. Now normally that would be taken as a threat. But that’s okay, because, like our three opposition leaders, I’ve empowered myself to take power.
Why have elections after all? It’s the New Strong.
Mike from Toronto
said
Everyone just wants power power and more power. This is why worst kind of people often end up in politics. Normal, down to earth, people dont get into this and then every election they try to "prove" to us how they are like every "common joe." They are not, they are a different species, cause none of us are this power hungry!
Do whats right for Canada, not whats best for you!
William
said
Jennifer Jury
said
If all those in our government would spend as much time "governing" as they ALL do in backstabbing, throwing insults and digging up dirt on each other, then maybe Canada would be in a better position. It seems that none of our so called leaders care about Canada, just about pointing fingers at each other. If our leaders don't stop acting like schoolchildren and start really doing their jobs, nothing is going to change and Canada will again be the laughing stock of the world.
I am very angred at the thought that our votes may have all been for naught, and that the leaders of the NDP and Liberals are jumping into bed with the leader of a separatist party, but look at the time that is being wasted on this - and at such a time with the world economy that way it is. Lets all get back to work and stop this "nah nah na nah nah" attitude and earn back what little respect this Country had from the rest of the world.
MARY FROM NEW BRUNSWICK
said
It is LAW, the ACCORD WAS SIGNED , accept the LAW, for pete's sake.
We have DEMOCRATICALLY VOTED ALL THOSE MPs in, and they HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE RIGHT TO GOVERN BY A MAJORITY OF CANADIAN VOTERS PERIOD!
The law IS the LAW!
Don In Calgary
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Barb - Edmonton
said
If we don't give the government a chance to put forward an actual budget, I think we should return to the polls and then formerly apathetic Canadians who didn't take the time to vote last time can do their civic duty and give us a government chosen by the people to lead the people.
Joy
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KEEP IT UP
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jake, from Keats
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Brian -momtreal
said
As the opposition jockeys for power, business are held hostage, the economy falters , the pensioners and investors worry about their portfolios and financial future .Also ,workers wonder if they will have a job next week.
THe opposition should go back to it role of opposing and coming up with some of their ideas rather than just grabing power
Mike from Windsor
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Brian, Republic of Alberta
said
It's clear coalition supporters are driven by hatred of Harper and have no clear understanding of what has happened the last few months. Harper won an increased mandate, the Liberals had their worse showing ever and decided to dump to their leader after the election. We also now know that Layton and Duceppe hatched their plot not long after the election (the budget update has nothing to do with what is happening) and we'll probably find out that Dion was part of it. Why would such a loser go into hiding for a week after losing only to come out and say he is sticking around for 7 months? If we can replace a duly elected PM on the fly I'm sure the Liberal party could do the same.
For those that say Harper lost the confidence of Parliament that is a crazy argument given that it is obvious that Dion, Layton, etc. never had any intentions of working with Harper to begin with. Throw Elizabeth May's power grab into the mix and one could make a case that the entire coalition leadership should be rounded up and charged with treason.
Sonia Rivera
said
The liberals have been stealing from tax payers pockets for years and yet they were given countless opportunity by the people to govern this country. They failed and the Canadian people felt that Harper was the one for the job the first time and again for the second time. If we wanted a Liberal or NDP party to run this country than I think it’s fair to say that we would have elected them but we did not so…do they not get the picture.
What would the Liberals do differently from the Conservatives? Probably start stealing more money. What would the NDP do? They have never been elected to run this country so what makes anyone think that they would have any clue on what to do now.
Pamela Oshawa Ontario
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Yonto
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gerry flin flon
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Edward from Kingston
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By this method we will get governance that actually represents the will of the people and we will get rid of our incompetant leaders.
pl
said
The school yard bully who does not play well with others, why do the conservatives put up with him??
Carmen M.
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Mike Cipryk St. Catharines ON
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Graham from Edmonton
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Scottie 5000
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joan tanner
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Chris
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Trevor Ennis
said
While I don't want to see Stephan Dion as the Prime Minister, nor am I a liberal supporter - he has more support from the majority of MPs within Parliament at this point in time. As such, if the mandated minority government fails, the constitution allows a provisional government to take it's place. I wouldn't normally have a problem with that, but we are experiencing economic ruin - just talking about this. In a recession - the best thing for CANADA is MAJORITY Government.
Let's pro-rogue Parliament - let the Conservatives responde to the "recession" with January budget - and get the Liberals to find a new leader sooner - and then call an election if needed. I don't want to see a PM instituted by way of a Leadership contest that only select few delegate decide.
Simon Dumoulin
said
Stephane Dion will pay dearly for destroying the Liberal brand.
Candace
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Bill
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Jan, Ontario
said
Why should a government consult with the opposition? They are the government (and we elected them) The taxpayer only started paying $1.95 a vote in 2003 -five years ago under a liberal govt. It is not sacrosanct. When it was brought in, it stopped the incentive for the parties to raise their own money from supporters.
Peter
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Nique in Alberta
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Conservatives forget that only 37% of Canada voted for a conservative government; the remaining 63% of Canadians did NOT vote for Harper.
Meaning, the MAJORITY of Canadians DID NOT vote for Harper! Bring on the coalition!
You got along for 2 years, you can do it again
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Wendy - a Proud CANADIAN
said
This entire notion is unbelievable and completely ridiculous especially given these economic times. Any ruling party needs adequate time to constructively react to the economic crisis in order to have an effective solution. I strongly feel the Conservative party should be given the opportunity to present its budget and then the people can have a full understanding on where they stand and where to take the country after that time. Ultimately, I trust that the Governor General's office will do what is right and just for Canada, remaining focused on what is best for the entire country, not just what individuals in power wish to have. I also am hopeful that members and leaders of the opposition will truly see the negative impact this entire fiasco is having on both the internal and external stability of our wonderful country of Canada, and cease their attempt to form a coalition.
Finally, a note to all CANADIANS: it is fundamental that we stand up united to fight the 'coalition', if for no other reason that the Bloc does NOT want to be a part of Canada, so what would make anyone think they will do what is right for Canadians?
Please stop the craziness.
Rick in Calgary
said
Warmest Regards.
Barb, Sydney NS
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Al Murphy, Fergus, ON
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Fast forward to four months ago. Again the Conservative Party tried ‘an image make-over’ presenting the new "warm and fuzzy" Stephen Harper, someone you could trust - 45 days later the real Stephen Harper stood up! His arrogant, mean-spirited, bullying tactics have now thrown Canada into a political crisis. Instead of acting as a leader for Canadians, guiding them and the country through the current economic crisis, he chose not to, taking, instead, another opportunity to once again "stick it" to the opposition parties. However, this time it has back-fired. The leaders of the opposition parties have chosen to stand up to the bully in the playground.
I would prefer to have a coalition government in power spending its time and energy working on the economic crisis rather than one that spends its time dreaming up attack ads - which no-one buys into anyway! And let's face it - their "image-making" efforts failed dismally! Perhaps next time and hopefully it will be soon, they will choose a leader who constantly doesn’t require an "image make-over".
Last Thursday, Mr. Harper gambled and his bluff was called.
The great majority of Canadians gave the opposition a job, to provide an effective counterpoint to the Government. Mr. Harper has not allowed the opposition to play this role, not in policy making and not in the House. This coalition may not be ideal, but it is democratic, legitimate and likely the only way forward at this point. Thank Mr. Harper for that.
Rob Alberta
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I just heard a radio program while driving home for lunch, and one Liberal fellow phoned in "insiting that we Conservative Canadians do not understand the political system, and that what the coalition is doing is a permissable (Constitutional) part of the democratic process." I just want to say, that to the contrary, we understand it all too well. These Liberals touting this argument are the ones that have wrong, because they have a misunderstanding about what is legal, and what is morally right. The Coalitions move may be legal, but it certainly isn't right. In fact it is an abomination, and travesty, lacking the very basics of integrity of any political leadership. What a shamefull example these three men are! They ought to be recalled on their ellected mandate, and others more mature capable put in their place.
stats man
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I'm intrigued with how the Angus Reid polling group came up with their figures which shows a majority in favour of this Coalition. Everything I've seen on internet sites indicates at least 60%(often more) opposed to teh coalition idea."
Every internet poll has a disclaimer that it is unscientific because a)1 person can vote thousands of times with a Bot program. b) people that feel that something is wrong are far more likely to vote in an online poll than somebody who thinks that everything is ok c) online polls are statistically skewed towards specific demographic groups d) online polls can be skewed by one party being more aware e.g. Con headquarters finds a poll and sends e-mails to all party members to vote while other parties may not send out an e-mail to THEIR supporters. Hence, results are skewed towards one group.
Combine this with the fact the Conservatives are encouraging their supporters to pull exactly these kind of skewing tactics and you have your answer. Example?The G+M poll showed a 52-48 advantage for the coalition after 10,000 votes and then a 60-40 advantage for the Conservatives after 15,000 votes with virtually every one of the marginal 5,000 voted going Conservative. This is a STATISTICAL IMPOSSIBILTY and indicates deliberate manipulation of the poll.
A scientific poll (like Angus Reid's) consults people randomly across various cross sections of socity and notes the response of the random interviewee rather than inviting a biased sample. Strict rules for sampling apply.
Andrew
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Congratulations Mr. Dion you have successfully re-ignited the seperatist movement; that is your legacy now. You should be proud.
Alice , Toronto, Ontario
said
We need to give the present goverment more time.Another election is a waste of huge money & at the present time we need to care about every bit of them. Why can Canada be like the USA that our goverment will stay in power for full 4 years?
jamie from parry Sound Ontario
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When I was growing up I had Liberal inclinations. I felt at that time that they were the best party for Canada (I'm sure that teachers in school had a lot to do with that)
After growing up and travelling most of Canada and the world several times over, I have leaned towards the PC. Primarily because of what has been accomplished in Alberta and I feel that province could really give the rest of Canada few few well needed pointers.
What is going on now is BS. Stephen Harper did not get a majority, but he did get more votes then the other parties. People did not vote for a coalition. If the liberals want to put Dion in power then he should have been voted into power ... last we heard this guy was resigning with no support or confidence from his own party. Amazing how fast things change.
To let the Bloc support this coalition is also wrong. This is a SEPERATIST party!!! They don't believe in a united Canada, we should not be allowing them to topple the government. I wonder what concesions are being made to the Bloc in return for thier support.
This coalition does not care about the welfare of Canadianbs or the country itself. This isn't about the economy (which regardless of what some say... canada is doing fine with no immediate need for intervention on behalf of the government)
If anything should happen, it should be the people going back to the polls. If that happens I will definately vote for the first time in my life... for the Conservative. Im sure a majority will ensue. Were sick of this!
JK London Ontario
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Patrick Pearl Nova Scotia
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Are we going to really allow these theiving Liberals from the past who stole from our pockets with the whole scandal that caused the country to oust the liberals from power in the first place to steal our democracy.
We all know that this is legal, BUT it is immoral as no one wants the block to run the Country,even a little. Not even the Liberals want Dione to run their party ,not to mention the country. Then to make things worse they say that they are doing this as the conservatives have no plans for the future well they are making plans and announcing them as fact, when the people being named as part of the plan are coming forward and denying they were even asked and others were part of the original Liberal party ousted.
So now the world sees a Canada that is at each others throats and really unprepared for the future. Were as the Conservatives just have a plan that the coallition do not want.
If it were about the country they would have brought forward this stimulous package months ago and given Canadians the chance to vote on it,they are attempting to bribe us with money we do not have they don't care if it hurts our econamy they won't be in power for ever and it will be someone elses problem. Stephane Dion could not win the vote so now he is scheming with a party that would not be happier then to see this Country fail the BQ.
when the Block should NEVER have that right to begin with as they are a provincial party not Federal. If we as the people do not stand for our democracy who will.
Kevin, Toronto
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patricia cook
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Canadians themselves have not helped the situation, they can't cry about anything, when they couldn't step to the polls to vote. Too busy with thw American Elections.
i would like the Coalition to give the present government one more oppotunity to presentt a decent bill and correct their mistake.
Morag, Port Colborne
said
Perhaps when our government is actually elected by a MAJORITY of Canadians, Canada will truly become a democratic country. In the meantime, let's not waste another 300 million dollars on a pointless election.
Dcline
said
The coalition should pay dearly for this shameful act.
How stupid do you think Canadians are, to allow such a thing.
So they have Canadians best interest at heart. Than do the right thing!
Deal with the economic calamity and quite the charade.
Newfie in Ontario
said
Let him at those 3 stooges and we'll see how they like it.
Harper is a bully but I really really don't want Dion as PM.
We need a conservative government, without Harper as the main guy.
Kelly Crump
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David W. Love
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It seems you have forgotten – or never learned – that Her Excellency the Governor General is the appointed representative of our Sovereign, Queen Elizabeth II. Her Majesty has more knowledge and experience in these matters than Harper, Dion, Layton and Duceppe combined.
The decisions to come are precisely those that are assigned by our constitution to the Sovereign and, in her absence, the office of the Governor General.
Your ignorance of and dislike for this situation don’t change how our 141 year-old government works.
Ken of Mitchell, Manitoba
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Jack in BC
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If Monday's confidence motion happens, please all the MPs vote as your consituents would want you to, not along party lines. I know there are many Liberals and NDP and probably even Bloc MPs who are having just as much trouble stomaching this coalition government. Vote from the heart!
Egons Lasis, Ajax, ON
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A Guenther - Burnaby
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First off, CTV clearly says that theirs is not a scientific poll but only represents the opinions of those that have visited the site and who have cared to vote. Considering the numbers of PC 'professional' bloggers that have inundated the boards here over the last few days then it's hardly a surprise that it would show Harper as being ahead.
On the other hand, the well respected Angus Reid poll is a scientific poll that has been around for many years and is accurate to within 3.1%.
Hannah from Montreal
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Maybe we should kick them all out of office and replace them with 5-year-olds who would run this country better than they ever could.
Seriously, these politicians need to stop looking for power and start caring about Canada. The last thing we need right now is an unstable government.
Lara
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David
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JW
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As I said before, nothing bad can be said of Harper. For petes sake, he hasn't been given a chance to table a budget. I agree with reducing federal funding for parties. In fact a party should only get federal funding if they can field a candidate in every riding. That rules out the Greens, the Bloc, and any other low life party who can't represent all of Canada.
It seems more posts are about dislike for Harper, than Harper actually doing a bad job. so much for the liberals cancelling the GST, at least Harper reduced it. No one can point out three really bad things Harper has done for Canada. Its just a big snow job on the part of the other 3 parties.
Mark from ottawa
said
Take a swill every time Harper uses any version of the term "separate".
Use only 0.5% beer and I bet you're drunk 5 minutes in.
Joe Losier,Sussex,N.B.
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Margaret Andre of Abbotsford
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Tanya
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Kim from Brampton
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John from Saskatoon
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Doug Gwynne
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I would far prefer to go back to the ballot and live by that rather than a conspiracy which includes a localized federal party( if the BQ says they represent the best for all Canadian-let them run candidates in all ridings-we know how likely that is!)
votes count, not conspiracy!
Linda Gellatly
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I would like to see reporters get their hands on information that shows just how much MPs like Jack Layton are spending on travel and hospitality. Who spends the mostand why? Let's see how much they are hiding when it comes to their expenses. They must be willing to tighten their belts as much as their constituents are having to.
Shame on MPs from all parties for not working together (as separate parties)to resolve problems. They would be best to have the planned meetings with the provinces, the investment and auto industries and other concerned parties as the Prime Minister has planned so our tax dollars are realistically being spent and not squandered.
Another election will not help if they will not be listening to the world outside of their childish little cliques.
Ferdie Roxas- Victoria,BC
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phil blackmore
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MAX WEDGE
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True, technically we vote for MPs, not the PM, but..
It is also true that many voted based on support for a party or a leader, regardless of their local candidate.
It is also true that many voted strategically - to prevent a majority, divide the left, or preserve a minority.
This understood, it is simply dishonest to say that the present makeup of parliament definitively represents the wishes of the people.
It is an outcome based on assumptions of the electorate - based in part on claims - promises - by certain parties that they WOULD NOT form a coalition.
Nobody, including the GG, can claim to know what the people would chose IF WE HAD KNOWN this coalition was a serious and imminent possibility.
Because of this, more than any other reason, the people should not have this imposed upon them without a say - IN AN ELECTION.
If the leaders of the coalition believe this arrangement is acceptable to us, let them put it before us.
This is a responsibility that supercedes any convention, tradition or technicality.
mm
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The Harper government did not provide a plan to stimulate the faltering economy in last week's fall economic update. Instead they used the crisis to attack the democratic process, violate the rights of public servants to bargain collectively, and end pay equity.
sara
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Fact: Canada has a parliamentary system of government.
FACT: In Canada, elections don't elect governments. We vote for MPs and therefore we elect a parliament that forms a government. It can be a majority or a minority government depending on the number of SEATS won.
FACT: Canadian's did not vote for Mr. Harper, they voted for THEIR MPs in THEIR RIDINGS.
FACT: It is not undemocratic for those elected MPs to break the government if they can form a majority in the house and collectively agree and believe that the current government or collection of MPs are not making sound decisions that reflect Canadian values such as eliminating subsidies for political parties that support a fair democracy in Canada envied by countries from all over the world.
FACT: The purpose of subsidies for political parties is to assist in the fairness of democracy which help to successfuly eliminate the influence of lobby groups/ companies/ interest groups from unfairly controlling public policy as a result of their financial support of different political organizations. It is a way of having fair democracy in Canada.
FACT: Elections Canada confirms that the conservatives won only 37% of the popular vote.
FACT: Only 59.1% of Canadians actually voted. The conservatives won the vote of 5,205,334, out of 23,401,064 registered electors or 22.24%.
phil blackmore
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- Every one of the MP's involved in the coalition was elected, including those of the BLOC.
- Informed voters know that minority governments and coalitions are part of our electoral system.
CONCLUSION:
- Emotional reactions and partisan opinions aside, there is no good reason to deny the coalition an opportunity to form a stable, 'elected' government.
Bryce - Ontario
said
Harper won a minority government. He has to prove he has the confidence of outside party member to maintain control of the House. If he does not have that confidence then an election is called. This is Canada…we do not endorse coup-de-tats. Have another election, this may be a big waste of money but it will almost certainly bring on a majority government.
Just remember the only group that has nothing to lose in this is the BLOC, the party that holds the balance of power…the party that does not want any ministers n cabinet…the party that wishes to separate from Canada.
Be careful what you wish for.
Carlos Pascual,Pictou ns
said
Grow up and accept the obvious.If you are worried about having a job ,don´t worry:join the unemployed
Deb VI
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Stefan in Barrie
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Bob in Edmonton
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Tony
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Quebec foreigners should not run Canada
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Ron
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Richard in LaSalle, QC
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Wayne Solberg
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Marianne
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The system breaks down when one person or a clique of people refuse to negotiate openly and push their own agendas through with threats, misinformation and hiding from the press behind an office.
Proroguing the session is a cowardly act; calling another election is like taking your hands off the steering wheel in a high speed race.
Someone has to get off his high horse and fulfill the requirements of the office he was happy enough to take on three years ago. And if he can't, then we need a coalition of members who 'won' seats in the House to guide the country until everyone's head stops spinning.
John from Saskatoon
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Darryl Nelson Victoria BC
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Artem Biziaev, Edmonton
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This is what will happen:
If the coalition overthrows the Conservatives, the 3 parties will then split up, simply because their interests don't match up past knocking down Harper.
Canada will plunge into economic termoil because even if the people were more in favor of the coalition, they will not be in terms of individual parties.
When I heard about this, I was stunned by the lack of immaturity of Canada's government.
This whole situation must instantly be resolved, the coalition must simply be crushed.
Joe - Vancouver
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Richard from Montreal
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Canada is a great country but in the end we depend on the US for everything. A coalition government will not change anything. We need to strap ourselves in and hang on because we have a bumpy road ahead.
Clay
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Rick Tremblay
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You vote for your MP , not a party, no the leader of said party.
Secondly, what the Liberals, and the New Democrats are doing is permissible under the laws our country.
Don't like it, too bad.
But if saner heads are going to prevail, a few things need to happen:
Both Harper and Flaherty, must hand in their resignations;
After this has been done both Dion and Layton, will stand up on the HOC and tell everyone that they are shelving this coalition at this time.
Now with Harper, Flaherty, and in a few months Dion gone, life on the Hill and in Canada will be a happier place.
We can then have the HOC working for us instead of playing like,..
I was going to say say like a bunch of little kids, but that would be demeaning to the kids.
RLW
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Brian Nelson Langley
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Fred in Ottawa
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This is the fault of our historically flawed "first-past-the-post" system resulting in politicians who are used to running Canada with undeserved majority governements in the House, and then can't make things work when they don't, until the next election...
Seriously, enough with "minority governments" acting like they have a majority (tories), or governments with a majority of seats despite receiving less than 51% of votes (grits)!
Too bad Ontarians missed their chance to spearhead electoral change in the country during our last provincial elections.
Governments should always represent a majority of the electorate, and if a coalition is required to be formed, then so be it!
Tories will have to learn to put some water in their wine, if they ever hope to actually have a majority, or they will have to stop acting so high and mighty. Bullies may be able to push their way around, but they eventually eat humble pie too. Just like the Grits got their just desserts a few years ago...
(FYI, I voted for neither or the NDP in the last few elections)
Tories and Grits are equally hypocrites, both have tried to make pacts with the Bloc.
Wheeling and dealing, that is the true nature of democracy, not single party majority, Sorry Stephen, looks like democracy caught up to you this time!
Again it is time for a major change in how our votes are counted. Sure it would likely result in perpetual minorities, but this would force dialogue and comprise between the parties in governement and reflect the true mosaic that is Canada! Democracy is supposed to represent the electorate, not allow a minority to rule like a dictatorship until they get caught screwing up and are replaced by another minority dictatorship.
Melanie in TO
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Forget Canada
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steve williams - Calgary/Ontario CA
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Dale - Edmonton
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While under our parliamentary system this Junta of three revolutionaries (and their four unelected puppet masters) is legal, from a Western Canadian perspective it is an immoral and oppressive attempt to punch down our hopes and aspirations of having an equal voice at the federal table.
This is no less than an open declaration that Eastern Canada will not tolerate or accept the West as an equal partner in Confederation. It is certainly no less than an attempted hammer blow to Canada as a nation as we see it here in the West.
This thumping of aspirations has been done WITHOUT EXCEPTION every time the West has dared to show aspirations to equality. Look back in history what happened to Diefenbaker, Clark and now Harper. Not to mention the vile National Energy Policy foisted upon us by the father of the princeling and future Liberal Party leader Justin Trudeau.
The similarities between those times and these are striking...and belated realization is dawning in the minds of Westerners. Our grandfathers and fathers grudgingly tolerated this in the name of a united Canada but the time has come to say NO MORE, YOU SHALL NOT DO THIS, THIS WILL NOT STAND!
Jaid in Toronto
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Remember, our government is democratic until the vote comes in. After that, whoever is voted in, they have the power to do what they like.
Not happy? Keep in mind there is a law that allows citizens to pass their own law, it requires at least 66% of the Canadian population and has the ability to override a few laws.
Never read of this? It's because this is basically the one of many laws that has been rarely if ever used.
Rory McRandall
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We elected a parliament in which no party had a majority. Our political system requires that the government hold the confidence of parliament, and in a minority that includes the opposition. Harper does not hold that confidence.
That another group within parliament does command that confidence is the way our democracy was designed and the way it has worked since before Confederation, going back to Britain. This is democratic and it is a reflection of the will of the people.
The coalition may fail and they may fall. But right now they command the confidence of our elected parliament and as such they have the right to run the government. When and if they fall, the voters can render their judgement upon them.
Stephen Harper just doesn't like to lose. To avoid that he is willing to distort the way our system works, to cast libelous aspersions, to foment outrage amongst voters in the hopes that it will benefit him. As usual, he sees himself as bigger than the country.
Time to show him he's not.
Watchdog
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Don from NB
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Nat of Richmond, BC
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From the Peg
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Ed
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Extortion by the bloc
let the new platforms be known and let the people of this country vote on those platforms, not the buying support programs the three stooges are attempting to do with printed money
Jeanne, Montreal
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Maybe we'll be able to move away from partisan bickering and work together, and achieve what is best for all Canadians.
I think many people in this province share my excitement.
I support the coalition.
G from O
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Furthermore, the Coalition was in the making even before the fiscal statement had been made. Once made, the Coalition group lept on their opportunity and the agenda became public. Talk about the trust factor...I find the Coalition the wary group.
Carol Thorogood Paris on
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Our PM who is the leader of Canada is very interested in having total power. Not satisfied with a minority govt. he calls an election which backfired and did not give him the majority he wanted. Now he wants to prorogue parliament until end of January and tie everyone's hands and the economy of Canada.
As other countries are dealing with this global economy with stimulus packages and PLANS our Leader wants us to smuggly believe that we as a country are better off than any other country in the G20, I believe Flaherty said several times in his speech.
Now is the time for some leadership and ACtion for the people of Canada no matter who is governing. We're ALL in this together as Canadians and the world and the UN is calling for ALL governments to have economic policies in place and that includes our Prime Minister who in the economic update is making the plight of Canadians worse not better.
Lee Marcoux
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quit horsing around and let the man do his darn job.
the whole world is in an economic crisis and if Canadians think that the wing nut Dion is going to do us justice, we might as well legalize pot and all live in daze!!!
Shame on the liberals and the NDP for being sore losers.
Laurie
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And if these really are 3 separate parties still, what is this coalition about? How will it ever work if they are separate and have separate ideas/platforms? This should tell Canadians and the GG that this coalition is just a power grab for Dion and the opposition parties and will never be able to truly work together. Either call an election so Canada can vote on this coaltion, or they should stop this and get back to governing this country where all 4 parties should work together.
TOM
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Fraser
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Does anyone really think that Prime Minister Harper and his cabinet and elected MP's didn't know full well that their actions were going to cause a negative reaction and they did it with full knowledge of the consequences and did it anyway?3
Why is it that they still poked the stick at the opposition?
Could it be that no matter what the issues were (BTW the taxpayer gravy train was going to be ended for ALL parties) that the opposition parties had a plan of a "Coalition" [opps I mean Coup] all along and that the Harper government knew of it and provoked it to flush out the rats for all to see?
Interesting how the emotions have taken over and reason is left by the wayside.
If anyone thinks that another election to let the "Coalition" know that it is WE CANADIANS WHO DECIDE WHO OUR LEADERS ARE" is too "expensive" then maybe ask your veterans and those fighting in Afghanistan what they fought and are fighting for. Is the "price" too high for democracy? I think NOT.
I truly think there are a few Canadians that need to travel to appreciate what we have here and the rights that we so freely take for granted are to be cherished and not to be usurped by anyone including our fellow citizens.
I have never been so disgusted to be a Canadian citizen after these actions by a few because of an unbridled grasp for power.
This "Coalition" wasted yours and my tax dollars of the last election and there is more to come.
I will be protesting with many others and not because I am defending any one particular "governing body", I will protect my rights to CHOOSE FOR MYSELF that "governing body".
Lyall Dalman ,Chilliwack , BC
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Politically I am a small C concervative.
Bleakly I now look at all of the above with a bunch of separatists thrown in for good measure.We are going to be ruled by "Quebecers with their collective fingers in the pot". Maybe as a "Westerner"it's time to listen to the western separationists if only to put Western Interests and Dollars back on the table of consideration.
maube4
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Janusz Lokaj
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A guy is shown the door in nationwide elections so he make backdoor deals and attempts to grab the power based on some “technicalities” and backdoor ear-to-ear deals.
Collapsing economy, dramatic polarization of the nation threatening to break it apart – no problem.
How selfish – so Jack can run his socialist experiments, Stephan can start hiring bureaucrats for his carbon tax calculations while his wife (happy at last – been dreaming about it)) can start return-addressing her letters with “24 Sussex”.
How about Gil though? I wonder what he is getting for supporting it.
Time to stop it, or else:
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Canada.
Janusz in Ottawa
John Calgary
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hans
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Randy from Oshawa
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How can a coalition comprised of three parties with differing ideals run a country competantly? They can't something will come up that will split them and in this, a time of severe financial crisis Canada needs a strong leader to guide us through the rough times. How can Stephan Dion lead a coalition when he himself is stepping down and is calling for a Liberal leadership convention? This is a joke.
Call another election, let us, the people say who will or won't have the responsibility to guide us through these troubled financial times. Then perhaps those who have lost, will finally do what is right. Stay the course and help guide Canada through this fiscal crisis working with the elected government as was chosen by the people.
KBS
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janet Ontario
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Perhaps you are the traitors for not accepting Canada's current political system.
rocketdan
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That said even though harper has a long term plan for Canada in this chaotic economy situation intervention is necessary.
Thats were the coalition come in though i also think its because they want power which is sad.
Now my opinion is that i really like harpers long term plan but i dislike the way he is not working with the other parties resulting in the drama today. No matter what he cannot go 100 percent with his long term plan and listening to the other parties he doesn't have to inject 30 billion like they want but maybe 15-20 bn instead.
Last thing i wanted to state is the canadian political system has to simplify big time. I have to first vote for a person to run in my zone then with addition the premier gets electec(but can be a different party rep than the person chosen for the zone. The a pm needs to be picks who also can be diff than the person picked for the zone and to govern the province. Its CRAZY!!
I want to get rid of zone reps, have one vote for who will run the providence and if majority of the provinces vote for the liberal than liberal party will win a majority in the house of commons (forget 134 vs 155 seats, they just win a std 150 seats) and 2nd most voted party to have minority seat in the house of commons.
Nicole
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Matt From Trenton
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This *power grab* is showing just how much we can trust the other parties!
One other thing... 75% of us Canadians voted for Stephane Dion not to run this country! Think about it!!
Derek
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Viki
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Harper needs to resign. NOW, before he wastes any more of our money.
Stephen Strepsi Montreal
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MICHAELLE JEAN FOR PM!
Finally, to Stephen Harper -- say what you want tonight, but if you cut into my So You Think You Can Dance, you're done for.
Diane M.
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Luciano Contini, Sudbury, Ontario
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David in Toronto
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Also please remember that what is happening to Harper now is brought on by his own arrogance and need for total control. We should also remember that he attempted the same thing against Martin's minority government and that he also signed a letter to the GG, along with Layton and Duceppe.
The only real difference is that he is now on the receiving end.
Canadians have failed to return a majority government in the last 2 federal elections, obviously we dont like our options. Democracy may be at times messy but it does work. If the coalition comes to power lets hope they find away to work together and accomplsh something, as Harper is obviously unwilling to attempt to work with other parties to sustain his own minority government.
Iain MacGregor
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Mr. Harper should be ashamed of himself for even trying to subvert democracy by revoking the right of unions to strike, and by eliminating subsidies for the opposition parties. This alone should be enough for his dismissal.
That is not the DEMOCRATIC way of doing things in my Canada.
BOB NS
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BOB N.S
Gary B
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Ling Winnipeg
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This is not a strong reason to form a coalition, we have not even seen the plan yet.
To form a coalition to go against the proposal of cutting financial support to political parties showing to me that the politicians care about their benefits more than the benefits of Canadians.
How many times the Liberals has supported the Conservaties or not even participated in voting on the issues that they did not agree, but they never form a coalition.
I am not comfortable to have a government that lead by this kind of party.
I am not comfortable to a have a PM who is not even supported by their own party.
The four parties have different believes and I expect a lot of conflicts and confusion coming up if the coalition is in charge, and Canada do not need that.
We need a stable political situation to help every Canadian to go through the tough enough financial crisis.
I think the opposite parties has done their job on making sure that the government cannot do whatever they want without working with the other parties that represent a good number of Canadians.
Thomas Earnscliffe
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Alexis in Ottawa
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If coalitions are the norm in Europe so is separating and forming independent country (see the Czeck rep., Russia, Bosnia, et etc.).
While this doesn't seem like the best solution, it seems to have as much support as the coalition party.
1/ Western separation (Mb, Sask, Alberta, BC)
2/ Quebec
3/ Territories
4/ Ontario
5/ Maritimes
5 independently run countries. No central government to run to make equalization payments, 1 year free travel visa (workers wanted in the west and territories), socialists to Quebec, Ontario and Maritimes...in reading the comments I think the socialists would have to fit in with the non working Canadians out East.
I think I have summarized most of the options accurately.
Wow...I don't know where I would like to live. I have a job so maybe in the west. Although I would like somebody to take care of me so maybe in the East.
None of this sounds very Canadian! (tongue in cheek)
Lorne Foster
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To Mr. Harper (& Mr.Flaherty) - Please change your ways and act like a "minority governemt" - you're not a majority governemt. Make policy statements that will ensure some opposition support - all you need is "some oppositon support" - not all three opposition parties' support!!
Cheesed-off with power-struck polititians.
from: "proud Canadian Olds, Ab"
Cecilia
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Don Ryane
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I detest the disrespect shown toward parliamentary proceedure, the lack of cooperation that has been displayed over the last few years, and the partisan games played.
We need respectful honest leadership in business and government.
We are NOT getting it from Harper. Instead we get mud-slinging, underhanded maneuvering - now he wants to totally shut down parliament to discredit the government he so obviously dispises.
Carolyne
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William
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C smith waiser
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john bradley
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What Can We Do?
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As this is a overthrow of the elected government can our Prime Minister not call Martial Law and have these people all arrested. Maybe it's time that we have to stand up like other countries where revolts take place, maybe we need our own Tea Party.
One way of showing our outrage is not to fund a government that is not in power because of what is the normal way we Canadians elect governments. Is there a way that we can withhold our tax dollars if this goes ahead? For Alberta, BC and Sask. why can we not withhold our transfer payments? When a revolt and takeover of our country is done is there nothing that a taxpayer can do?
Simple Math
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'majority' = more than half
Hard for some conservatives to understand, but there it is.
Joe from Ottawa
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Steve Bushell, Pitt Meadows
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The only sore loser here is Stephen Harper. He's the one who cannot accept the election results -- twice in a row. Shameful!
HARPER should resign and cede power to a governing Coalition with a MAJORITY of Canadian SEATS and VOTES!
Andrea in Ottawa
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We need a stable govenment right now, not power hungry politicians stomping on each other.
At this point I think both the Liberals and Conservatives need new leaders, and then bring on another election.
Angela Goddard
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AK
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The Canadian people are angry and scared during these uncertain times, but a big huge political shake up is certainly not the way to make the Canadian people feel any better - but then neither does a handout! If an election is what is needed, then in my opinion, another election should be called and if eveyone in Canada who has an opinion on this matter and is legally allowed to vote would get of their respective "couches" and get out to vote, we might not have this problem. A majority government could be elected and we could stand up as strong and proud Canadians and not the laughing stock!
Dan in Trenton
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Paul Styles
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While I would not mind going to the polls to let the people decide between these 2 new options, I think the coalition should be footing the bill for an election if it occurs.
I also think that any coalition that is formed to topple the government should make a minimum commitment to stay together for the remainder of the term, and none of this 18 month talk.
Richard
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Trevor in Calgary
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Steve
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Alex in Waterloo, Ont.
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If Mr. Dion, Mr. Layton and Mr. Duceppe were legitimately concerned about the best interest of Canadians they would have formed this coalition well before the election. An alliance should have been considered between the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc and present it to Canadians as the "Democratic Progressive Liberals Bloc" and at least we Canadians would have had the choice to vote for this new party.
And for those who claim that the Conservatives are a bunch of bullies then let's do a reality check.
Who is bullying who? At the expense of Canadians, last time I checked it was 3 bullies against 1.
Yes the Conservatives introduced potential policies which infuriated the opposition, albeit all withdrawn. This just lit the powder keg fuse which was already in the works set to explode. The coalition was a failover plan, likely strategized by Bob Rae. Just go back to provincial politics in Ontario (epoch Mid 80's). What lit the fuse?
1. $30 Millions in cuts to all political parties - In times like these as a tax payer I am fine by this and most Canadians would be as well.
2. The right to strike by government unions. Again, in times like no one government employee should hold the taxpayers hostage. Especially when we have Canadians who will lose or who have already lost their jobs with some having no right to strike. I am willing to bet that many would concede the right to strike over loosing their jobs. - I am one of these Canadians.
Let's go to the polls again!
Chris in Ottawa
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JIM/ONTARIO
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Cady Williams
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James Harris
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Anne
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ken
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50 Billion to Quebec, 30 Billion Ontario , the rest of Canada combined to get 300 million.
There will not be a harmony, provinces will be upset. At the end maybe we will vote on getting rid of Quebec.
I don't mind the Liberals, but NDP and the Bloc shouldn't have any say in Canadian politics.
J Lacy
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I don't think I can stomach much more TV ads, news stories, televised addresses from Dion and Layton. Dion sounds like a shrill old screaming woman who has been wronged and Layton is like a dog with a bone - just can't let it go. Duceppe is just Duceppe, working on his own agenda and of no consequence to Canada - like a spoiled wayward child sponging off the rest of us.
There are those who voted other parties but I believe the REST of Canada with certain clarity sent a message to these parties that they desired Stephen Harper to sit in the Prime Ministers chair.
I am generally a very calm and easy going person and I must say that I have never been so outraged and angry in my life!
Emily from AB
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A vote of non-confidence was really the only option for the opposition given the situation: you know its bad if the Bloc is on board with the Liberals & NDP.
Perhaps some changes need to be made to our electoral system, such as a Mixed Member Proportional (MMP) system, similar to what is in place in British Coloumbia, Germany, New Zealand, & other countries. If this was in place we would still have a majority Conservative government, but the Bloc who only had 10% of the total vote would have much less power. Not saying this would have made a difference in avoiding this situation, but makes every vote count, where now it doesn't.
Harry
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Kelly Rivard
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Calgarian in Ottawa
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Jason
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Ðêù§
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The majority of Canadians didn't vote for ya Steve. Tough luck."
so how did he take office then ? and how come the liberals had the worst showing since confederation ?
we havent voted for a coalition either btw
actually you havent voted for me (although i did get a write in vote for president of the US - long story)....can *I* go ask the GG if *I* can forma govt?
i know some people I could form a coalition with - sure we wouldnt run it as well as Harper has been but I am sure we could do a better job than Dion et al
this whole thing is a joke and the GG needs to say NO to them as there is no good reason for Harper to be removed
Kirk Lundell
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I'm happy the coalition has formed and has caused such an uproar. I can hardly wait for the next big uproar when there is the anouncement of the new great country of ALBERTA. Of course we will welcome with open arms our neighbors, BC,Saskatchewan and Manitoba. In this new great country we shall abide by the will of the people. Harper would make a great PM of ALBERTA. Did I mention that our immigration policies won't include Easteners.
Tony ( on behalf of David) from Montreal
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Yorka Holl, Calgary
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Wes in Grimshaw< AB
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If the people of this country let the coalalition take power this country will be well on its way to becoming a dictatorship.
Beth Duncan
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Barb
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Lynn in Ontario
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Alicia from Manitoba
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I voted for the NDP in the recent election but what I should have done is vote for Conservative. I'd much rather have Harper lead the country in these tough economic times than Mr. Layton or Mr. Dion who definitely do not have the nation's best interests in heart--the last thing we need in these tough economic times is political powerplaying.
Ron
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VickiTee, Alberta
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The BQ is just happy getting their equalization cheques from Alberta, and not doing anything for it except dividing this country furhter.
Another problem here, is the auto-workers who aren't willing to concede on anything, in order to keep their own jobs. All the other hard-working Canadians OF THE WEST are just supposed to blindly keep handing over cash to losing companies and their inferior products nobody wants anymore?
We will not buy your cars!
Quit fooling yourselves, and build your plants into something we CAN use, like wind-turbine production, instead.
Time to realize, you can't have your cake and eat it too. There is no cake anymore.
hcrawford, toronto
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Debbie - Ontario
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Ian from Oshawa
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Yes, the coalition is 'legal' but....
You get the drift.
The soul of this country is being torn out right before our eyes.
drew
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peggy
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Aaron Davis
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I didn't vote conservative, but they seem to be the only party with integrity. I am deeply offended to my core that there seems to be no one in the opposition with a shred of consideration for Canadians.
This coalition oozes with power lust and partisan propeganda, fear fostering and disregard for democracy. It is evidence that our political system is broken beyond repair.
I served this country as a member of the Canadian military. I work now in the social services as further service to Canadians. I love Canada with all my heart and am today deaply saddened that for the first time in my life, I am ashamed and sick to be a canadian.
maybe it's time Canadians fight for a federal system that reflects the majority with more than simply their apathy.
M Cleroux, Ottawa
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KMC (Markham)
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You, clearly have no idea what you're talking about (how do these people get on here?)
Conservative Party Ads are paid for, and run, by Conservative Part Head Office.
The Canadian taxpayers DO NOT pay for them.
I repeat the Conservative Party Ads are paid-for by the Conservative Party, NOT the taxpayer. Got it?
Furthermore, Prime Minister Harper has very little input into the content of those ads. Got it?
He dosn't sit in his office thinking up campaign slogans as some of the politically illiterate, on here, seem to think.
Whanda
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For all of those people that did not vote in the last election, you should keep your comments to yourself. You have nothing to complain about. Yes, I voted as I love Canada, the best country in the world to live in even during political battles, wins and loses, recession or no recession, freedom even to the point of allowing anyone who has computer access to make their voices heard. God Bless Canada and its Leadership!
C. price
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rob
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Rob Weldon-formerreformer
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Sharon Leger
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Our Boys on Parliament Hill need to stop fighting like little children.. Mr. Harper won a "Minority Government" and needs to be reminded of this and act accordingly.. This being said, we Canadians made our choices when the ballots were counted.. For better or worse, it was still the Peoples' choice.. As Canadians, we either voted Conservative", Liberal", "NDP" - OR - "Green"; as separate entities. We DID NOT VOTE "Conservative" OR Liberal/NDP/Green"; as two separate entities. To have done so would have been absolutely "too strange".. If the peoples' choice of just 6 weeks ago is taken away by this "3-in-1 Party", I'm sure that I, along with thousands and thousands of other Canadians will have lost faith in being part-and-parcel of a Democratic Society. We therefore would no longer have the inclination of EVER voting again (as our voice as One Nation and our Choices would just be an opinion and mean absolutely nothing to the Government.. They would just be able to do whatever they wanted, without regard to what we, as Canadians, really want).. We voted in a Minority Government, and if we let it get on with its job of Governing, we will know, and maybe change the balance of power during the next election. IT IS OUR CHOICE, not a "3-in-1 Party" who THINKS that just maybe, they know what's best for us.....WE ARE ADULTS AND CAN MAKE OUR OWN CHOICES - WE HAVE BUT YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE OUR DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS AWAY FROM US.........GROW UP!!!!!
MuskyBuck
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I find this extremely informative and educational to read the bigotry and selfishness of the average Conservative poster.
That coupled with what appears to be a lack of understanding of our own political system and how it operates.
It also proves a lack of math skills...(I love the percentage breakdowns) as well as a clear lack of understanding that our parliamentary system works by electing MP's not PM or party's.
Go back to school, if you can get along with your classmates.
Lynda in Burlington
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Jen in Halifax
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Melissa
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A coalition gov't is still made up of elected representatives in proportion to the current power split, so it's not SO bad. But it LOOKS bad, and it's disconcerting. I want the media to stop reporting the same story over and over again and give us some INFORMATION.
Also, Canadians need to get off their lazy butts and go to the polls when they get the chance.
clay-calgary
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Tom
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Get a team in there that will actually get to WORK! Best stability would be to dump Harper and replace him with someone more trustworthy, and less self-centered, like say Peter McKay and start getting us all back on track. If not, a Liberal/NDP coalition that will ACT(!), is a better option than recessing for 2 months, just so that we can have a ton of negative ads that do nothing to address everyone's current issues. Canadians, I believe, have already had about 6 months of that, starting before the last election was called.
Irma
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Diane M.
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Brad in Calgary
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Larry Judge-Brockville
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Lets have another eclection and give the Conservatives a majority and get our country going again. This bonehead move will only drag the whole country down.
Nada V.
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Nada V.
Not so happy in Langley, BC
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Dave Barton in Newington
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Take five mins of your busy,busy schedule to THINK what is really going on!
This Coalition may be legal, but for sure it is morally bankrupt.I voted independant in the last election,but many liberal friends think that this is the straw that will break the back of the liberal party for years to come.
This coalition can only survive if it's componant parts agree 100% and "scratch each others back".
What this means is that Jack Layton was defeated because his Universal Day Care platform was proven to be far,far too expensive. Well....under the coalition that we "all" voted for Jack gets approval for his Universal Day Care, but ONLY if Dion gets approval for his green-shaft and a big increase in taxpayer subsidies to help his cash strapped party....and Duceppe will gladly rubber stamp everything as soon as that $30 billion goes though to pay for all the new infrastructure Quebec needs NOW!And Ms May is now aboard she will need lots of taxpayer cash for all those enviromental studies that her friends need to do....Understand what I am saying?
All this at a time when the entire world is talking restraint.
What we have now is four spoiled and demanding children in the candy store/toy shop with our credit cards and no limit spending.When this is over the cost to the taxpayer will be shattering.
And you are trying to tell me that they represent what all Canadians voted for.
I think it is more in line with what every Canadian voted against.
Mark
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In an interview with the Journal de Montreal published Wednesday, Parizeau praises Bloc leader Gilles Duceppe for his "impressive victory," in prying enough concessions out of the coalition of the New Democratic Party and Liberals to agree to back them.
His comments reflect those of the current PQ leader Pauline Marois who is using the crisis to advance her own cause in the provincial election campaign. She says the agreement allows Quebec to get $1 billion in equalization payments it would not have otherwise had. On the other hand, Marois also says the crisis shows the Canadian federation no longer functions and Quebec should separate.
Jim Lambert
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John from Winnipeg
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Susan
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wayne from calgary
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Pam in Waterloo
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We have a Conservative minority that at least represents most regions of Canada, or a coalition that represents Toronto, Quebec and Newfoundland.
Harper was the most popular choice for PM; Dion was the least popular choice.
If I were Jean, I would:
Prorogue parliament for 30 days;
Start again with a new throne speech and a budget;
If the government falls on the budget vote, make all 4 party leaders resign--because they obviously cannot work together in the national interest;
Give each party 30 days to elect or appoint a new leader;
Hold another election, with 4 entirely new leaders;
Let the people decide!
Just my 2 cents!
Jo
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Coalition; these three bozos are only interested in furthering their dying political careers without considering the damage they are doing to the economy of Canada in the worst economic times since the depression - its criminal what they are proposing!
Lisa
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Our country needs Harper to be the strong leader we voted for, especially with the economic situation being as it is. I am disappointed that the pm I helped to vote in did not put the Canadian people first, but his party and politics. Shame. I don't agree with the coalition, but I also don't agree with some of these recent decisions on the conservative party. Regardless we the taxpayers shouldn't be paying for yet another election - ridiculous cost for nothing! - instead our politicians need to grow up & stop acting like children.
Andre Chelmsford ON
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Mona Mississauga Conservative
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Frank
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Danny GTA
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Sandi in Ottawa
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Stephen Harper tried these same tactics that the coalition is doing just 4 years ago. Why is it all of a sudden an outrage when a group gets together to oust him? I say good riddance, and and give the coalition the chance to govern a FAIR way.
Adrian
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The house has just barely opened, the Conservatives have just started governing and this Parliament truthfully has not been given the opportunity to fail… simply put NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE! When my children ask me for a cookie before dinner I say “no, eat your dinner first and wait for the cookie” and when they disagree with my assessment of the situation they turn and sneak the cookies anyways. This is the same in my estimation; we Canadians gave the Conservatives a slightly higher number of seats but still within a minority situation, but the Liberals and NDP “children” are now sneaking to get that cookie they were denied because they did not get the initial answer they wanted. This amounts to in fact stealing the cookie which is dishonest, is cheating and should not be tolerated by us, the Canadian people.
This plan stinks, Layton has been vying for more power since he entered Federal politics, meanwhile the Liberals are seeking any possible vehicle to return to power, and the Bloc…… Well, they obviously will do anything or side with anyone as long as that party gives them what they want, meets their “needs” in Quebec. I believe the Liberals have sold their souls; The NDP under Layton is greedy and self serving while the Bloc will go along with anything as long as they get something out of it. Is that a government I want to guide us through this troubled time? Is this a government that the world can respect? This is truly a dark period in our History, as it is one fraught with greed, selfishness and a lack of seeking what we the people wanted from our elected officials. We are CANADA, we deserve better! I expect BETTER….. Stand down Liberals and NDP… stand down!
Jasmine Kubski
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Steven Harper decided not to engage the majority of MPs elected by Canadians, and now he deserves the tough lesson in Canadian parliamentary politics he skipped back in high school. Let's support cooperation, let's support the coalition
Adam from Halifax
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John Hood
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We must wait to see what Obama does before we act. We are all (north America) in this together and it going to take cross border cooperation to solve this economic crisis.
Anna
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Please somebody gather volunteers to collect signatures to change the constitution. We, the people, have the power to create a political system that represents what we voted for. We are in this mess becuase of a system that does not give the party that wins a chance to run the country for 4 years enough time to prove if they can do it or not. We are in this mess because we are forced to let the game players of the parliament to choose for us intead of letting us choose directly. We need a true democracy. One where we can directly point our canadian leader and where we can directly take it down (via referendum with a minimum of legitimate voters).
Gaetan Bisson
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An election should be call in January, so Canadians send a clear message to Mr Dion and Mr Layton, that there a price to pay for a “Coup d’état”, by giving the Conservatives a substantial majority.
Caleb Abas
said
On a more serious note, I recommend Stephane Dion resigned immediately. I feel sad that Jack Layton, formerly a Toronto City councillor is riding high on the ineptitude of the Liberal leader. It does not take anyone too much thinking to know that Liberal party, that once indomitable Party that fights for the common Canadians is the one at losing end in this imbroglio. NDP has nothing to lose, it is only gaining unnecessary popularity due to the thoughtlessness of some politicians in the Liberal party - some of them are even eyeing Liberal Party leadership (Bob Rae &co)It is terribly unfortunate! The Liberal Party I used to know can fight its own battle, its own cause without depending on neophytes like jack layton's NDP not even to talk of chuckling Duceppe who thought his opportunity has finally come. The Liberal Party needs leaders at this time who are ready to stand for principle as against opportunism, who are ready to defend the future in today's decision, and without minding whose horse is gored. The Party needs leaders who are thoughtful, sober and creative, not brash, childish and amateurish ones it is presently parading. To combat Harpers's excesses, the Party needs leaders who can be humble enough to return to the grassroot to whip up the kind of sentiments Obama evoked in United States Not the kind of leaders who sit down in their cosy offices in Ottawa thinking and plotting on how to upstage a young savvy Harper.
bill mcleod
said
Some of you are saying get rid of Harper.....ok and replace with him with who? larry, moe or curly.
and the budget hasn't even been put forth yet!!!!
There will be more people in Alberta, B.C. and Sask. that will loose their jobs if this coalition gets control. Then guess what happens......a large majority of workers in western Canada return to eastern Canada and start drawing on your provincial welfare and unemployment insurance.
Ken
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The majority of Canadians didn't vote for ya Steve. Tough luck."
You are correct, but even less numbers of voters voted for Dion.
Dorothy - Okotoks, AB
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Jim in Markham
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Angry in Alberta
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Most likely the first thing they will do...shut down the only industry that is keeping Canada afloat right now, all in the name of the environment! Let's waste another huge amount of taxpayer money to hold yet another election in a time of fiscal turmoil to find out that the majority of Canadians do not want a group of children leading our great country. Stephan Dion is an embarrassment, he knows that, as he has already announced that he will be stepping down after his party's dismal defeat in the last election. This power grab is just another of his riduculous ideas to get his 2 minutes of fame! Shame on you!
PM
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Garth Colllicutt
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Drew Smith
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What is embarrassing is how few of the people who comment, realize that they are revealing their ignorance, regarding the nature of their own democracy. Statistically almost half the people commenting here did not even show up to vote. Too apathetic to care (pathetic is what is really is). Perhaps there is so much media flowing in from the US that many of you have begun to identify with their system, while not understanding Your own. If some of these angry partisans had gone to the Polls on election day, then (by the Slant of Your comments now) Stephen Harper would have his majority. It did not happen. Stability at the expense of the will of parliament, is a Tyrants creed. I urge the PM to resign. Unfortunately He has chosen a reckless course, which has caused a crisis, and is now compounded it by stirring up bigoted hatred towards the people of Quebec.
Angry mobs are not a substitute for legitimacy. I think that the Conservative Party should be given a chance to right the ship, and form a Government, after Mr. Harper has resigned.
Robert Butler
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As for Jack Layton. Have you noticed how he sticks his chest out like a school boy who just made "Prefect?" He always comes out making himself sound noble and righteous. We see through it all Mr. Layton!
As for the Seperatists, What more is their to say? They are "SEPERATISTS" PERIOD!
These three men ought to know, that self promotion is no recommendation.
If they win this bid it will be a sad day for the nation. but if they do we can sit back and watch them bite and devour one another as they fall into their own trap.
Rob Cochrane Alberta
Marc from Q city
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Just the thought of the country being run by a guy whose own party was ready to hang him a couple weeks ago for the worst showing in an election is suddenly worthy of the PM position???
I am not a hard core con because i have voted lib and con in the past based on the leader of the party, but this time, out of the four up there, Harper is THE man i think is best for PM.
Gail, Halifax
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That being the case, how can anyone say that Mr. Harper has lost the confidence of Parliament? Those 308 MPs have not voted on a non-confidence motion, so how can he have already lost? Is it because their Party leaders say so? But we didn't vote for the Party leader, did we....
As has been repeatedly pointed out, no one but the contituents in Stephane's, Jack's and Gilles' ridings actually voted for them so they certainly don't speak for the rest of Canada. They only speak for the constituents in their riding. The whole 308 MPs speak for Canada not just these three, and only a vote by all the MPs on a non-confidence motion can bring down the government, is this not correct?
Then how can Stephane, Jack & Gilles possibly say that they have the support of the majority of Parliament if that hasn't gone to a vote? From what I see, they have the support of the three signatures they show on their agreement - their own.
You don't speak for my MP, boys. He speaks for ME. And I am the one who will tell him how to vote, not you. I have sent emails to him indicating the same. I suggest all other Canadians outraged by this do the same. If we scream loudly enough, someone will listen.
Rodger in Calgary
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Why is it Harper's fault for not "cooperating" with the other, smaller minority parties? The opposition parties "didn't like" the Economic Update, which included NOT tossing $30 BILLION to three FAILING companies. That's smart business, and common sense. How about everyone wait a little bit and let this run its course, see what happens in say January or February? Why was it SOOOO important for the opposition to vote non-confidence now? Was it because someone thought it was a smart idea NOT to fund the parties with PUBLIC funds? Perhaps this is more of an issue of self-preservation than anything?
I've said it before "If people don't like your product, they aren't going to give you any money for it." I find it highly ironic that this statement applies to both broke political parties as well as broke car companies.
If there is a need for cars, SOMEONE will come to Canada and use the existing plants, re-tool them and run their businesses SMARTER than the ones that failed. Can the Economists argue that point? Who cares if they are "Foreign" from overseas instead of "Foreign" from the United States?
If there is a need for an almost redundant, centrist political party in Canada, that will work itself out too.
The economy is Canada, excluding one sector in one province, seems to be okay with being patient and carrying on "business as usual".
Peter from Calgary
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D.P. from Ontario
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Susan
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RB - Toronto
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Here are the corrections to this propaganda:
- A coalition government is a democratic safety-valve to prevent minority governments from acting like they are given a majority government's mandate to govern.
- The conservatives were not given a blanket mandate to govern. They were given a minority government mandate which implies that they must make extra efforts to bridge divides between parties to accomplish the management of the country.
- In many cases minority governments can achieve great things because of the need to govern from a centrist position which eliminates ideological agendas.
I hope that the coalition takes the bravado out of Harper's sails and brings him back to earth. He has been high on power-lust too long.
Brent
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Gerald Clipse
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DON
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Alexis from Ottawa
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And MP's wonder why only 40% of Canadians chose to vote!
Overhall this system: Scrape the Senate (waste of millions of dollars annually), deal with Quebec (either it is a part of the country or not...I don't think the VALUES of Quebec - take, take, take are Canadian), get rid of the GG, and get rid of this silly British subject nonsense.
I don't care if the coalition is legal or not...Liberals supporters are blinded "today" and chose not to remember the Ad Scam. They sent of to war..etc. etc, and the Conservations chose not to remember their choice was the separatist party in 2004 and Brian Mulrooney!
The NDP and Separatists are not the answer for Canada (and neither is the Green Party and Elizabeth May - who lobbied for a fat paycheck in the Senate).
That leaves us with Dion and Harper....neither is acceptable.
If the GG had any power she would scrap the cabinet and form a coalition between all parties with the number of cabinet seats relative to the number of seats the party won in the last election. The PM would be chosen by the cabinet.
The Bloc would not get any seats in cabinet due to their separatist ideals. Elizabeth may ...get a life and a JOB.
Stimulate the economy through tax cuts for Canadians.
No free money for industry however I am not opposed to the Crown purchasing parts of the Big 3 or lumber companies, etc. Then once they are stable the shares can be sold back to the company at a profit.
Sean from Winnipeg
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And i don't understand how they can claim that an unelected trio of stooges with completely different fundamentals will have a 'more stable government' than the one we currently have.
If this coalition does go down, the conservatives will win a majority in the next election for sure - even if Stephen Harper isn't the leader.
Cambob
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Any person complaining regardless of which side they are on, who did NOT vote, YOU are to blame for this crisis!
Blame Harper. Blame Dion. If you didn't vote, then "you are to b-lame." as my kid says.
SH.. Disturber
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Embarassing.
Michael - Toronto
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Fred Harvey
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Conservatives will never forget this, and will add it to their playbook.
With the NDP as the perpetual power-hungry "swing" party, this farce may ensure that future minority governments be ruled by coalitions headed by the Conservatives or Liberals - whichever is the least popular at the time.
How ironic. I may have to vote for those I dislike in order to get the Prime-Minister I want.
A new election now is the best choice for us.
RRO
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If he focuses on Stephan Dion, it also allows Layton and Ducceppe to bow out gracefully, and even the new Liberal leader to back away.
Also if he waits two months he may be able to build a case to hold a new election rather than letting this unelected, unstable coalition seize power and place a man Canadians rejected as Prime Minister.
clarence J duguay from Marmora Ontario
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Sean - Conservative but not happy.
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Steven Harper – Shame on you! You need to be replaced, you had the chance to bring the Conservatives back to Ottawa in time and era I truly believe there principles and fiscal policy are needed most. Instead you play slapstick politics and prove you are no better then the Liberals.
Whatever happens, I hope no one loses sight that we need to remain strong as ONE CANADA let us tread carefully or we might disenfranchise a generation and lose a country
Deejay
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Canada First
said
Are you really saying that Harper made his coalition effort in 2004 public? Really? Then I guess HARPER DELIBERATLEY LIED TO CANADA on December 1… saying the Conservatives would NEVER consider a coalition with the Bloc Québécois.
No. Never. Bloc and Cons brought down the Liberal government in 2005. In negotiations with the Bloc in 2004 to form a coalition government.
Also, Harper and the CONS are turning out to be more damaging to the economy then the NDP, that is what has changed. Harper was more hellbent on getting his agenda of bankrupting the opposition through his war of attrition, then to do anything about the economy.
Tazzy
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Check this remark by NDP
"NDP Leader Jack Layton, meanwhile, said that Harper himself was prepared to form a government with the Bloc four years ago is making the accusations in order to slander his political opponents."
So what now You should turn around do the same Are you kidding Grow up please!
Scott from Ottawa
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While I don't care for another election, I agree with the comment that 300 million is better spent than a proposed stimulus package from a coalition that does not have full knowledge of the current governments finances.
An election, while distasteful at this time, would allow each party to present their economic plan.
Canadians would then be able to put their own partisan views aside and vote for the best package and hopefully elect a majority... whichever party that may be.
Michell, AB
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And have you all forgotten the the reason Harper had to call an election eight weeks ago was because nothing was getting accomplished in the house because the Libs/NDP/Bloc refused to work with the Conservatives on anything? If they were so concerned about "working together for the good of Canadians" perhaps they should have started doing it last year.
Yes, Harper has a hunger for power and for a majority government, but is not to satisfy his personal ambition. He wants a majority so that he can be an effective leader and make the changes that our country so desperately needs.
Maybe trying to cut the funding to the political parties wasn't very politically expedient - neither was trying to cut 24 million of gratuitous arts funding before the last election - but it is the best thing for the economy and the average Canadian Taxpayer. To me, this just says that Harper is more concerned about doing what is best for the country than he is about polishing his image.
Do you all really want a leader who sees what needs to be done but is too afraid of the opposition to take the steps necessary to help our country through this tumultuous time?
Peter Benson
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Sergio
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I just pass the test to became Canadian citizen. The book, distributed by Immigration Canada, say:"After an election, the party with the most elected representatives become the party in power. The leader of this party becomes the Prime Minister."
I'm thinking...if Liberal, NDP and Bloc were so brave to present the coalition as political entity for the election and win the majority..fine; but they didn't and now they present to the Canadians this "thing" that nobody voted.
Marianne
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Thanks Frank.
Marianne Nelson
Martin in Ontario
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Bruce from Saskatchewan
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al from calgary
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Paul in NS
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Spending money on the auto industry will not fix the economy. The problem is bigger that us.
The Bloc do not have seats in the rest of Canada and therefor their percentage of votes and seats should not be part of this .
The residents of Quebec who want to be a part of this Country voted for PC's , NDP and Liberal. So we should only be factoring that into the Goverment of Canada.
Any one out there who voted for the Bloc and say they want to be part of Canada , your vote says the complete opposite to the rest of Canada.
So keeping that in mind the rest of Canada voted for a PC goverment with Mr. Harper leading the country.
The reality is Mr. Dion will stop at nothing to become PM.
More people in this country voted to have the PC's in power and to have Mr. Harper lead the Country .
How you want to interpret the percentages is up to you , reality is we told Mr. Dion we did not want him to lead the country
Sam
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While the coalition may be part of our system, it sure as heck isn't what I voted for and I for one am angry at this happening. All parties need to work together in the best interest of Canadians.
Paul from Toronto
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David from Saskatchewan
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Chris
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Devil's Advocate
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This coalition is the best alternative right now and this country cannot afford to head back to the polls so soon. Also, I am not concerned with the parties involved as it is obvious that they have decided to set aside their differences and work on common ground. Now THAT is what a minority government's mandate is! It's about compromise! So just because the Bloc is a separatist party does not mean that they are unable to bring anything else to the table. Implying that is simply ridiculous! I have given Harper enough chances and his arrogance and blatant disregard for compromise and cooperation have turned me off completely. This is his loss to bear and his alone. There is nothing undemocratic about what is happening. Just because it is unprecedented (the 1920's are too far for some to refer to) does not make it unjust. This is democracy at its very best and Canadians should be proud that SOME parties are willing to come together to move this country forward. Under the Conservatives, we have regressed!
Sylvain
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Please be reasonable.
We have been waitting for a few weeks for the government financial planning in this bad economic time.
Did you listen to Mr. Harper's financial plan, last Thursday?
Was that a joke?
Unemployment is rising, pensions/RRSPs are shrinking, manufacturing companies are getting weeker and weeker, poverty is increasing among people.
Aren't we allowed to vote against your plan?
Do you want to insult us if we vote against your plan?
Are you stopping even the democracy in Canada too?
What is next Mr. Harper?
Tim in Ottawa
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The man is a bully and not a leader. A real leader would of worked with the opposition and not against it. He has lost the confidence of the house and should step down and let another Conservative step up. Someone who can work with the other parties and not try to run Canada like he is the CEO of a corporation that has to bow down to his will.
Bye bye Harper. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
Tara T, Edmonton
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However, I do believe Harper will learn a valuable lesson with the recent happenings; Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. A la Obama.
Good Luck GG
Jlow
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Peter Wilkinson
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Brian D
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This coalition government has not been thrown together overnight as these three parties are suggesting. This is not about Mr. Harper or the supposed inappropriate action of the federal government with their action with the economy. Rather it is entirely about the three leaders attempt for power.
As Canadians we now not only face the worst economic situation since the depression of the 1930's but we now have the threat of being governed nationally by a government that was not elected "by the people, for the people".
If the courts will not deal with the actions of these three political leaders for acting contrary to the best interests of Canadians, then hopefully Canadians will deal with them appropriately during the next election. The sooner the better.
Vicki- lost in Alberta
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Robert Butler
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Rob Alberta
Day
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What we need globally if Freetrade is to continue, is a GLOBAL DOLLAR and a GLOBAL MINIMUM WAGE!!!! This way it doesn't matter where these big businesses open shop, because they have to pay the same world wide, and then there is no real incentive to get up and move the companies. Another thing is, if globalization is to continue, countries should specialize in what they produce, that way there is work for everyone. If I were a leader of a country, this is what I'd be working towards.
Donny
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What you wrote there is just the same typical bigotry that I keep hearing from Conservatives in these comments. And it's the same type of attitude that has gotten Stephen Harper in this mess.
People, you need to stop thinking about your money and what's in in for you. We are a country and we need to look out for each other. There will always be some people down on their luck. Or some "haves" and "have nots". Yet, they will always change.
Take Alberta, for instance. They may be a "have" province for the moment being, but we'll see about that in 50 years. And we'll see what they think of equalization then.
James V
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P.M. Davison
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Al
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We believe he is just a power hungry individual who wants to win at any cost! If he provokes an election we believe there will be less people voting than last time. I will be one not voting, I have been voting since I was a teenager, and am now 60, and am fed up!!!!!!!!!
Suzanne Jensen
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We are all Canadian!!!
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All Quebecers are Canadian and pay their taxes like any other Canadian,
If you understand the situation, Liberals and NDP might run this counthy not the Bloc!!! It people like you that explain why we are stuck with the Bloc!!!
Get the story right and stop picking on other canadians that live in Quebec!
Shame to be in a country with people like you! Period.
Peter Burgess
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I used to scoff at Western separatists but this last power play shows that it will always be Quebec and Toronto ruling the rest of Canada like we're mere colonials to their rule.
And no Harper didn’t do this 4 years ago - Martin wasn't elected by Canada he was elected by the Liberal party. I realize Liberal party member don't believe there's a difference but there is.
And so what 62% of you didn't vote for Harper? How many of you voted for BQ?
The separation movement has a new supporter. Moi. I wish it wasn't necessary but I see now there is no "working with the West" in the minds of Ontario or Quebec. Just empty-headed, "Harper=Bush", rhetoric by uneducated talking-point regurgitaters who can't face up to the *fact* that this country has been managed better in the last 4 years than the previous 40.
When are you people going to realize that the Liberal party isn’t actually “Liberal”?
My Canada does not include Quebec. Their Quebec does not include Canada. Lets face that and move on it.
Peter Wilkins
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He now says a coalition is not democratic, and yet he attempted one with the Bloc Quebecois previously when in opposition!
It's time to replace Harper's Conservatives.
Peter, Toronto
Stephan Gabriel
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Colleen Mason
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Carol R
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Arthur Laing of Toronto
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We appeal to the GG to call another GE should the minority government be brought down by a coup comprising thugs and ruffians. The party in a democracy should win by the BALLOT and not by the BULLET that is typical of dictatorship and rogue nations. Canada would lose its status as a truly democratic country should the people's mandate be taken away by a coup of rogues and illegitimates. This will only spell the disunity of the country and where the people's mandate is trodden by the illegitimate coup on Parlianment Hill, the people will take to the streets. We trust Dion will search his conscience to win his right to be PM through the BALLOT and not the BULLET. If he chose the latter, he'll live to regret and we wonder how he'll face the world as illegitimate PM of Canada. We will NOT ACCEPT him as PM if it's done through foul and illegtimate means. The Liberal, NDP and BQ treacherous action is condemned by the rightful electorate.
Trent
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Another fact - The coalition (Liberal and NDP) received over 40% of the popular vote as opposed to the Conservatives who only received 37% of the popular vote. So...I think that no further comment is needed."
No where on the ballot during the last Federal election was there a Coalition Party member. There was BQ, NDP, Green, Liberal, Conservatives, etc...
One person one vote. I did not vote for a coalition (more than one party) party. So for you to state that the coalition recieved majority of votes is FALSE and that is a FACT. If the coalition thinks that it can run the country as a coalition under a leader that has confirmed that he is stepping down in June then bring on the polls and we will see if majority of Canadians will vote for this fiasco team of Larry, Moe and Curly.
Sean Isaac
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Patriot from Montreal
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So for 18 months the gang of three will agree to disagree and make policies for this country without any safety net for poor decisions….. I hate to say this , but Harper's only mistake after the elections was not to make a coalition with the NDP and voila …. Majority.
Good luck Canada
Quinn
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Uh, sorry, no.
The guy tried to act like he was running a majority and put partisan politics before Canada's economic crisis! I have never seen a more bone-headed move in the history of politics.
He talks about the coalition but where's his economic plan? How come he won't debate that on television? How come he won't even address it in public? How come he doesn't make ads on TV telling everybody about how he wants to sell all the crown land on the cheap to American corporations during the biggest dip in property values in Canadian history? How come he won't talk about his “New Charter of Open Federalism” where he’s trying to starve the provinces and force them to shift expenditures away from health care to benefit privatized healthcare? How come he won't talk about why he wants to make it illegal for Unions to strike for two years? How come he won't defend his own politics? Why, if he's sucha leader is he hiding behind this blind, knee-jerk, nationalistic rhetoric?
And his supporters want us to spend another 300 million dollars on another election that will elect another minority government during an Economic crisis, because Harper screwed up? That's the stupidest, most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life!!
And Harper wants to endanger Canada's economy and waste time until the end of next month for his own political gain? Yeah, what a 'leader'.
Margaret Riches, Ottawa
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John E
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Sheri from Ontario
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Westcoaster
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It would be nice for a change to see parties working together for the good of the country rather than against each other.
When the Liberals were in power we enjoyed budget after budget with surpluses. Under the Conservatives we have seen that surplus get smaller and smaller. They say they know how to run the government in these troubled times but they did a poor job when they were running it during boom times.
As far as the coalition relying on the Bloc to succeed being wrong, Harper has relied on the Bloc to help his minority government in the past, too. The Bloc isn't just about separatism, they are also about helping their constituents in Quebec to live better lives within Canada. They were democratically elected and represent the vast majority of voters in Quebec. Let's have them at the table, too, rather than keep them out in the cold.
I say out with the Conservatives and in with the Coalition and get on with helping all Canadians live better lives.
David from Ottawa.
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It would be the worst choice to have a coalition government that relies on the separatists and spends billings of dollars on each party's own interests.
If needed, I would see another election. I believe the Conservatives will gain a marjority.
Rodger in Calgary
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The Liberals and the NDP don't like each other. They say it ALL THE TIME! (Just ask any Liberal or NDP what they think of the other Party's POLICIES (important word here).
Neither Party particularly cares about the BQ, as EVERYONE knows what their POLICIES are. (Duceppe says it all the time, even last night on TV when questioned specifically about the coalition.)
There is a distinct difference in running an election campaign specifically saying "we will not support the other parties' agendae", so that people KNOW what they are voting for. (This is kind of thing MOST "grassroots" Liberal and NDP constituents REALLY vote for, by the way...)
Coalition goverments in OTHER countries people keep pointing out, CAMPAIGN that way BEFORE the election, so people know what they are getting.
Also keep in mind the MOST important thing, all you "rule spouters" is that the MPs are elected by the Constituents. These are the people that for the most part MIGHT vote for a DIFFERENT MP, now that the Liberals and NDP have COMPLETELY changed direction and therefore have essentially mis-lead their followers.
This should also show all the "yeah, but 60% Of Canadians voted against the Conservatives" people what is really happening in the political landscape.
The root of all this problem is the SMALLER minority parties don't like the Economic update. I don't want to be put $30 BILLION dollars in DEBT just to save a few FAILING car companies. We NEED a vote so everyone can speak their UPDATED mind!
Ken
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Ralph in Moncton
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Mary
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A few short weeks ago Canadians elected a Conservative Minority Government. The number of parties we have in Canada, makes it almost impossible to elect anything but a minority Government. Now without even giving them a chance to present a budget the other parties have decided to overturn the decision made by the people of Canada. They all talk about Prime Minister Harper's arrogance.
How much more arrogant can they get than to think they know what Canadians want better than the electorate. Liberals seem to believe they have some God given right to govern and they are willing to do anything to gain control. They are even ready to make an unholy alliance with the Bloc, a party dedicated to destroying our Country. They should be very careful or one day we will find it will be Western Canada that wants to separate! Then where will we be!.
William Alberta
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I am no longer a liberal nor am I a member or a supporter of any of the current groups we have in Ottawa. I never agreed with having the Bloc in Ottawa because they are not a federal party. There should be a federal law stating that the groups must run in every province to be considered in a federal election but there is not and here we are. We fight over transfer payments and provincial rights and we fail as a democratic Country at every turn. What is the answer I do not know but one thing I do know is being a complete socialist Country will not work as we need to fund the socialism. Being a complete capitalist country also will not work as we will lose our social programs. There has to be a way to find the middle ground between the two and maybe we should focus on changing our current system and rebuild this Country into the world leader it should be.
DB - Winnipeg
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Robert Butler
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I hope the Governor General will use wisdom, and allow a cooling off period for all concerned, and wait for the Harper Budget. Then they can all have their vote.
Rob Butler
Jim Douglas
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Richard Sampson
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Gerry D
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They are trying to perform a snow-job on the public by claiming it's about the financial crisis.
The only one with any integity is Duceppe. At least he readily admits that he signed on to obtain as many goodies for Quebec as possible.
FSN
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How interesting it is that you only point out Conservative Government problems.
Let’s see what the Liberals so proudly introduced Canadians to.
LIBERAL WALL OF SHAME:
1. Pierre Elliot Trudeau – Start of Canada’s debt. Thanks to his government, the Canadian debt was started here.
2. Jean Chretien – Opposed the introduction of the GST (by the Conservatives) and promises to get ride of it, only to leave it just as he found it, at 7%. Thanks for nothing.
3. Jean Chretien – Opposed the free trade agreement. He had plenty of opportunity to do something about it as PM. Did he? NO, he didn’t!!!
4. Jean Chretien – Quebec sponsorship Adscam. What else can I add here???
5. Andrew Thompson – Liberal Senator – Absent from the Senate for so long (living in Mexico) that his own colleagues suspended him (until he’s 75). What do we pay Senators for? Is it to do their job, or is it to live in Mexico and not lift a finger in the Canadian Senate?
6. Stephane Dion – Despite Liberal opposition to the GST in the Mulroney days, Stephane Dion now opposed the reduction of the GST by the Harper government. Which is it, do you want the GST or do you not want the GST.
7. Stephane Dion – Several occasions during the Conservative minority government, rather than topple the government by DISAGREEING with a Conservative policy introduced in the House, all Liberal MPs WALKED AWAY from the house on several occasions and did NOT vote. We pay MPs to do their job. Either agree with the motion and vote as such, or grow something under there, and vote NO and topple the government. Waiting for the opportune moment to topple the government when public opinion seems to suggest you might win an election is not in the best interest of Canada but in the best interest of the Liberal Party. Shame!
Need I say more? Does this show that the Liberal Party of Canada does not belong in the “driver’s seat”?
All political parties have problems while in government and while in opposition. To point the finger at one and essentially say “they suck” in one form or another gets us nowhere.
J.W.
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I kind of like my income tax settings right now and god knows what increase in GST/PST and income tax we will see if these 3 get in.
Would you want people running Canada who one can't control temper, another who spoke on POT TV website and last one(and scariest) wants to seperate possinbly.
Maybe I should make plans to move to US?
Iain Bennett
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We need to re-look at proportional representation again.
I'd much rather see the coalition government run things - I know they will do a better job.
Harper - he's completely ignored all of the warning signs of the economy.
Chuck in Toronto
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We DEMND another election NOW !
tg
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Jenny in Ottawa
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Gregory D
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I believe the poll you are talking about was national but there is 75-80% support for it in Quebec so it doesn't actually reflect the opposition in the rest of the country. I think Quebec sees this as an opportunity to get more out of the federal government. Right or wrong I guess I can understand them taking advantage of the situation but it doesn't sit well with the rest of the country. I don't much care what happens here but I am concerned with what it took to buy the Block off that isn't public. They can say it is all in the agreement but I think it would be naive to believe the Block wouldn't take advantage of their position. I know I would.
regards
gregoryd
Vahe Balabanian
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Peter in Fredericton
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Hopefully, his resignation will appease the coalition and we can back down to a more stable situation with the Conservatives in power with a new leader until we go to the polls again next summer with a new slate of more public service oriented leaders.
Dan
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A Coalition is being formed to take over this country and yet this coalition doesn't represent the interests of all Canadians. This coalition represents Ontario and Quebec interests, what about the rest of Canada ? And doesn't a coalition with a seperatist party give the seperatist movement more credibility in its own province ? To me this coalition brings Canada one step closer to seperation. I would hope people would look at what each party is attempting to gain from this coalition cause if we allow this to happen then the people of Canada will no longer be represented in this Goverment.
Ike from Aurora
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If this coalition does succeed, it's virtually guaranteed that the Cons will eventually come back into power with a strong majority Government. The three stooges are just prolonging the inevitable.
Trent
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Lowell
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The opposition parties representing the majority of Canadians do have an economic stimulus plan to get people back to work and which is in step with the rest of the world, should be given a chance to govern. Harper has failed the test of leadership and needs to do the democratic thing and step aside. His dysfunctional style of leadership will put Canadians in jeopardy.
Gord Sturgeon
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Dylan in BC
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Harper was willing to form a coalition government with the Bloc when he was the leader of the opposition. To suggest now that the Liberals should not is hypocrisy.
Amy from Toronto
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I voted on October 14th, and the results were similar to our previous election on January 23, 2006. Canada still doesn't trust Harper with a majority. What makes us think an election called less than two months after the last one is going to bring a different result? October's election had the lowest voter turnout for a reason, people are fed up.
I have no respect for a prime minister who feels the use of attack ads is appropriate to get his own way. If Harper truly feels the Conservatives have Canada's best interests at heart, then he should show us that through his governance and budget, not through trashing other leaders and using fear tactics. As I recall, another conservative leader who used fear tactics is now known as one of the worst prime ministers Canada has ever had.
I sincerely hope Gov. Gen. Michaelle Jean approves the coalition. What a difference it would be to see our political parties working together instead of tearing each other down and getting little accomplished in the meantime.
As for delaying the vote till January; election or coalition, I want to know before the new year how my country is going to be led. It's a stall tactic, and one I find irritating.
Steve in Alberta
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Sherry Katrina - Ottawa
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They are greedy and power hungry and it would not have mattered what the budget was like, who said what, when, they were intent on taking over and not allowing the people of Canada their right to choose. Now they tell us what and who will run the country - or so that's what they want to do. The GG has a hard task and it has always been in the job description of the GG to make this decision.
Neil Staff
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You may remember seeing him on TV the day after the election.
This arrogant and pompous little man was posturing before the cameras and was saying that he hoped that Harper had learned a lesson from the election. If you can believe it he actually said that it was Harper who had lost and he was demanding that the Conservatives had to come to the other parties and had to work with them – and not the other way around! Talk about unmitigated gall and delusion!
I was so annoyed by this nonsense that I was going to write Letters to the Editor and complain about his falsehoods and arrogance. Unfortunately, I got busy with other stuff and never wrote the letters. Too bad as it is clear to me now that that was the defining moment. That was when he decided to take matters into his own hands, ignore and usurp the will of the people, and conspire to subvert the results of the election.
People of Canada wake up! It's time to turf this man out on his ear and give Harper and fiscal common sense and responsibility a chance!
Neil in Whitby
nc
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Historians and political scientists all agree this is fair game in our parliamentary system. But somehow it does not feel right.
Blair Watson
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In the 40th Canadian general election just seven weeks ago, nearly 13.7 million Canadians exercised their democratic right and elected a minority Conservative government led by Stephen Harper. I did not vote for the Conservatives. None of us voted for a coalition government.
On Monday, the news media reported that Liberal leader Stephane Dión said, “We are ready to form a new government that will address the best interests of the people instead of plunging Canadians into another election.” Who are the Liberals, NDP and Bloc Québécois to unilaterally decide that another federal election is currently ‘unsuitable’ for Canadians, and will continue to be so until June 30, 2011, more than two and a half years from now, unless the accord between the Liberals and NDP is renewed?"
Canadians have different political opinions, but I think we are united in our recognition that ours is the right to elect a federal government, whether it be a minority or majority one.
kames
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Moreover, this coalition is talking of economic stimulus. Mr. Dion is no economist. He knows only how to raise taxes through fossil tax.
How are they going to raise money for so called economic stimulus unless they have in mind to raise fresh taxes.
Day
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Phil in Halifax
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She should ask the people of Canada through a plebiscite if they want to be governed by this coalition. If the answer is NO (which it would be) then instruct the politician’s to get back to work (Jan2nd) like the rest of us real working Canadians and pass a budget.
In no way as the Queens representative of Canada can she allow a separatist government to gain a foothold in Canada.
Chris in Alberta
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DON'T WRITE ANYTHING ON YOUR BALLOTS!
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Bert
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Geoffrey from Toronto
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This man uses our tax dollars to speak on TV, print ads and Tv ads, incredible isnt it that he thinks he is entitled.
We need to dump this guy fast. Thanks to the opposition for acknowledging this fact.
Bring on the coalition.
Marina - Ontario
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the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean, C.C., C.M.M., C.O.M., C.D.
Governor General of Canada at Info@GG.CA
Bryan Balderson
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So the soundly defeated Liberals and the socialists sell their souls to the seperatists to get cabinet posts and the ability to spend billions from future generations woith out a mandate from the people?
No wonder the West feels they can never have a say in the national government. We help elect a party that has an actual economist as its leader. Heaven forbid we ever have somebody other than a lawyer as Prime Minister.
This farce falls right in to the seperatists best dreams. A west that wants out from the idea that the only people qualified to run Canada have to be from Quebec and Ontario.
The best economy in the World now has Banana Republic coups, way to go boys.
Lee in Calgary
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Secondly, should the government fall on a budgetary measure (they come back on 27 Jan and after hearing the budget the coalition votes against the government) then she would do well to remember that no GG in history has appointed another government after the failure of a budget bill. In every case the GG has disolved parliment and asked the parties to seek a new mandate from the people.
While I agree with those who suggest the GG has the legal power to ask the coalition to govern I believe that in the 21st century we must have the choice of who govern's us and that combined with past precidence should drive her thinking alone.
Nobody who voted NDP or Bloc in the past election voted for Mr. Dion to be appointed PM. There was no coalition presented to Canadian voters to consider.
Should the government fall on Monday or in January we must decide who governs us and now that Canadians understand that should a Conservative minority once again be elected that the 3 opposition parties are willing to work together and form a government then we can cast our votes well informed of what options await us but we were denied that knowledge on 14 Oct.
Sam
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You, As a Harper supporter, do you really think that is the right plan for Canada?
I am sorry but if you think yes, you either dont know anything about economy or you are an extrimist, who just support and love Harper.
I, as an immigrant and citizen of Canada for the last 12 years and travelled and stayed in many countries in the past and a person who is quite familiar to politics and economic sciences believe that the Harper way will destrory almost all provinces of Canada specially Ontario and Quebec in long term.
Even People of Alberta that are very happy with mr. harper will suffer the consequences if the oil price stay low.
Just remember if Mr. Haper claim to be the best in G7, he is also the only one that had high price oil (high oil tax) for the last 2 years.
As an independant, I believe Canada need to work on industry, Forestry and infrustructure and should not only rely on oil. In his plan you can not see any of them.
So the opposition parties have the right to go against Mr.Harper.
Unfortunatly, Mr. Harper just face the opposition with insults, etc...
At this time, if he really love his country, he should listen to the representitive of the 65% of Canadian in the parliment and try to modify his plan based on the choice of all Canadian and not only his 35% supporters.
Mr. Harper is behaving like school boys and tries to through stones at democracy.
Canada during the libreral government prior to Mr. Harper was a real Canada with democracy and the best country in the world. Unfortunatly, Mr. Harper is changing this situation similar to what Mr. Bush did during his presidency.
Paul
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What will their stances be on Foreign Policy? On Health Care? Education? The Provinces?
They promised that they would not do this, and they are giving an enormous amount of power to the Bloc.
In this day and age, they should have to seek a mandate from the people.
We did not elect members to accomplish the platform of the NDP and Bloc.
Prorogue it and/or dissolve it. But the opposition should NOT be allowed to take power like this.
I'd rather see the 300 million spent on election then MASSIVE spending that the NDP and BLOC is proposing.
Laurie
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Eric from Montreal
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This is exciting!
This is democracy at its best!
Alone in the West
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The majority of Albertans are furious..... a coalition IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. If this is what our parlimentary process can do(not represent all of Canadians) then CHANGE IT!!!
Cara Ottawa
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Shawn
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Her Excellency the Right Honourable Michaëlle Jean
Governor General of Canada
Rideau Hall
1 Sussex Drive
Ottawa, Ontario
K1A 0A1
No postage is necessary, the salutation is Excellency. If our voices cannot be heard through the electoral system, make them heard this way.
Bev Mittlefehldt
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No point in doing too much til we know what Obama is going to do - he can say what he wants, but they have a strong majority and can do whatever they want - sorta like 3 elections in which the Liberals promised to abolish the gst.
The coalition will take every bit as long as the conservative to come up with a plan, so we gain nothing and we may lose Alberta and the billions they pour into our economy.
Moi
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Fairness for ALL
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In fact I didn't see Paul Martin or Jean Chretein etc on any ballot sheets. Why are they even involved...Oh yea same old Lieberal corruption, new faces same LIES.
I also didn't see any UNIONS running in the last election, yet they seem to be dictating this mess.
Rozanne Croft, Abbotsford, B.C.
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Stella Coyell
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Perhaps someone should tell these parties that the Conservatives were elected (even though a minority government) by the citizens of Canada and as such should at least be given a decent period to govern our great country. Mr. Dion should never be the Prime Minister of Canada as was indicated by the last election when the people spoke.
I think an election should be called so the people of Canada can have their say.
I am ashamed that Canadians are being put in this position and today I am not proud to be a Canadian.
David
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Fred Harvey
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Ed. Dunchurch
said
An outstanding analysis of the situation.
If the coalition are so confident of their position, they should have no fear of going to the Canadian People for approval.
Corrie
said
adama in Ottawa
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Cathy Brighton, ON
said
I hope that GG has the common sense to end this charade and sees Jack, Stephane and Gilles for what they really are untrustworthy.
Joe B.
said
There you go agian, wasting the Taxspayer money to place Ads and Air time to tell Canadains that you are the best choice.
Give it Up. You made mistake with the flarety report, and you not willing to take the heat as you should. The coaliton only have the best interests of canadains in mind. Do you, really???
Joe
Jim Smith
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Al in Calgary
said
There is no veto power in Canada. Its almost like the conservatives don't understand the Canadian Parliamentary system. Harper certainly doesn't undertand how a minority government has to work. He got away with being a bully for awhile but as with all bad behaviour, it eventually catches up with you.
It's Legally Right, And Morally Wrong
said
My problem is this. I could understand Mr. Dion doing this if he had only lost by a few seats. In that case he could argue that he had almost the same support of Canadians as Harper. But this man had the worst electoral result in the history of the Liberal party. He doesn't have nearly the number of seats that Harper has, and his party acknowledged the need to completely renew the party from the ground up. Now they feel they should lead the country?
It is legal, and it is constitutionally correct. But it is morally wrong for this failed politician, who was told in no uncertain terms by the voters that he was not their choice, to make this plan to attain the PM position. He has caused incredible upheaval for his own need for power.
Disgusting.
Susan Calgary
said
Harper was attempting to show that he is aware that we will all need to tighten our purse strings during these trying economic times, not just the Canadian people but our Federal Government as well.
Let's hope Larry, Curly and Moe never get the chance again to pretent to care about this country.
Patrick (from Montréal)
said
Reply to:
Quebec foreigners should not run Canada
The separatists claim to be citizens of another country. Why should the GG allow them to have political power within Canada?
Matt from the Peg
said
The last majority government in Canada was the 2000 Liberals. They had 172 of the 301 seats at the time which automatically made Chretien the uncontested Prime Minister of Canada.
We now have 308 seats, and no party since has had the 154 seats required to form a majority government. Stephen Harper has relied on other parties to push through his agenda ever since he's been in power, and his role as Prime Minister has always been up for grabs by other parties if they could manage to agree with each other.
The conservatives operate from the center-right of the spectrum, all of the parties are centre-left or left in comparison. It's more natural for the other parties to get together than it is for the Conservatives because their ideology is more similar.
Additionally, the majority of Canadians did not vote for the Conservatives. In fact, quite a few of them voted "Anything But Conservative", yet the Conservatives ended up in power.
I'm happy the Conservatives are being forced out of power, I'm in that majority of Canadians who didn't vote Conservative and didn't want them in power.
Sick of the Bloc
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mag
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e.james
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Island Girl
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Tom
said
Harper speaks of a power grab. -What was his move to gut the opposition funding all about then?- Certainly not a move to build trust. He blew it and these are the consequences. He will try to take his ball and go home but his days are limited now."
First of all, he was not gutting opposition funding, he was gutting political party funding - including the conservative party.
Secondly, it really is time to reopen the constitution. The fact that a province specific party can hold a veto on federal issues is rediculous. The Bloc represents the provincial issue and the removal of that province from confederation, a provincial issue - they should be in provincial politics, not federal.
If a party wants to be in federal politics they should be required to run in every riding, or at least a percentage of the ridings of every province and territory.
Unfortunatly, thats not the way it is now. For the sake of all Canadians, these power happy politicians should all grow up!
Harper - you don't have a majority, stop thinking like you do.
Dion- you have been rejected by the Canadian public, and your own party, you have no right to be prime minister.
Layton- aren't you supposed to be in a meeting with the taliban?
Duceppe- Take your provincial matters to the people of Quebec and quit trying to ruin the rest of the country.
J-P. Christopher Jackson
said
The Right Honourable Prime Minister
Stephen Harper
Dear Prime Minister,
The title of your office includes the word "honourable". Given that you, and you alone have plunged your own party into disarray, tossed Parliament into chaos, renewed a National unity crisis by your truculent references to the elected representatives of the Province of Quebec (who incidentally have propped up your previous minority government on occasional, and with whom you were fully prepared to work to end the minority government of Paul Martin), lied to the Canadian people about your "mandate" to manage the economic crisis (not even a factor on the radar of the previous election), and demonised the opposition with a bald-faced lie about the coalition's news conference and the Canadian Flag, there is only one legitimate course of action open to you if you are indeed to be "honourable": and that is to resign as Prime Minister and as leader of the Conservative Party of Canada. This is the only hope for your own party, allowing a new leader to face the judgement of Parliament, and bring a rapid conclusion to the current instability. An "honourable" man would do this. All previous Prime Ministers when faced with somewhat similar circumstances have acted honourably and stepped aside. Are you to be the only leader in Canadian history NOT to do so?
Kev in T.O.
said
Who is best fit to lead Canada for the next 24 months beginning Jan 1, 2009?
A. Stephen Harper & The Conservative Party of Canada
B. The Coalition of Liberal and NDP with support from the Bloc Quebecois
It would probably save us millions in election costs.
M. Reid, Oshawa
said
We are on the brink of a recession, and he doesn't want Harper to start cutting waste in the federal gov. He doesn't even want to get in on the discussions about it. This is his only chance to run things.
T Sanders
said
30 billion dollars (a number picked out of thin air)
No idea how it is going to be spent (that will be determined down the road)
No idea how it will help (that will be determined down the road)
No idea of where it will come from (that will be determined down the road)
No idea of whether it will be effective or not (history will determine that)
No idea if they will have to spend more, and if so, how much, when, and where from?
This is a stimulus plan? A big number with a bunch of question marks?
This is like giving a 10 year child a million dollars then telling him, “go and spend it wisely.”
The Bloc already knows what it's getting...a big number with a bunch of zeros behind it.
This is a coalition of egos and ignorance, but is ready to spend whatever it takes to get into power.
Michelle
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Wally in Lantz NS
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Jim from the Kawarthas
said
-how little we Canadians know about our system of Government.
- how the real problem with a possible solution is turned into a E vs. W / French vs English arguement.
I had always thought we as Canadians have desired good government - which this can give us - given a chance.
I think that this is a situation that can make or break political careers - in the case of the would be coalition, if they succeed in getting the country back on its feet . . . in the case of the PM ???? If the coalition comes about then the only old faces we may see will be Jack and Gilles.
Kay
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Blake
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James Joseph in Toronto
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shade
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Patrick de Montréal
said
I see people writing comments that insult Québecers and our RIGHT to vote for who they want. I was against the plan, but after hearing Harper's arrogance I am starting to hope for it. I DID NOT vote Liberal or Cons, I voted NDP...and thats the last time I do it. Back to the Bloc next time.
Ohh and for those who have issues understanding fundamentals:
BQ "Bloc Québecois" FEDERAL PARTY -- Has NO legal ability to hold a referendum
PQ "Part-Québecois" PROVINCIAL party, have EVERY right to hold one if it wants to.
It appears that some still think the Bloc can somehow cause seperation....pffft
Someone said before...I am French Canadian....you want to revive the referendum question? Keep up these comments..... yoru doing a GREAT job...teh BQ and PQ can sit back and enjoy the ride....
Karl from GTA
said
"If you break down the seats per province;
Alberta 27 Conservative seats , 1 NDP seat , 0 Liberal and 0 BQ
BC 22 Conservative seats , 5 liberal and 9 NDP
Sask 13 Conservative seats , 1 Liberal , 0 NDP and ) BQ
Manitoba 9 Conservative seats , 4 NDP , 1 Liberal and 0 BQ"
and
"Does this coalition of three stooges represent ALL of CANADA or just Ontario and Quebec?
Looking at the numbers above, it appears that only two provinces are represented."
Unfortunately, you missed your geography lesson. Canada ALSO INCLUDES P.E.I., New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Labrador, Yukon Territory, Iqalauit, and North West Territory.
If you want to promote Steve as a legitimate representation, it appears he only has support in the Prarie provinces and B.C. Hardly the support of ALL OF CANADA as you suggest.
GG, let the coalition give it a shot. It certainly can't be any worse than what the CONS have done so far and it will show financial responsibility by not wasting taxpayers money on another unneeded election!
Javier Garcia
said
Governor General of Canada
Your Excellency:
As a new Canadian Citizen of our great country, allows me to express my deeply frustration of what is happening in Ottawa.
If this non-sense situation keeps going affecting every citizen, our economy, stability and international image, and we will end with a coalition government which nobody voted for it, that will be a great opportunity to start considering creating the Western Block and forming our own country completely separated from Canada. Let us keep taking non-sense actions in Ottawa forcing us to motivate separatism. Quebec could be an independent country, Alberta and Saskatchewan another independent country, and I am positive that the Maritimes provinces will follow the trend as well as British Columbia.
To keep our country, Canada, as a real and united country with real democracy, let us go for new elections, and let us change elections rules. One vote = one count. That is really and proper democracy which will motivate Canadians to practice their right of vote.
Sincerely yours,
Javier Garcia
Calgary, Alberta
GR
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Peter Rapsey
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Joanne from Northern Ontario
said
Tsk Tsk! Mike Duffy your "penchant bleu" is showing a bit too much on this one...
PM Harper and Mr. Flaherty are like 2 school boys who are trying to pedal backwards after being caught without their homework done. The conservatives are furiously trying to fudge and gloss over the lack of substance in their economic assignment - they get no respect from me! Their assignment has turned into the final exam and they have failed miserably !
Where is Mr. Harper's blue sweater from the election campaign? He would have been wiser to wear it and roll up his sleeves to work on an economic plan with substance, rather than maintain his Ivory Tower posture and arms-length aloofness which I now believe will never change.
I am insulted as a Canadian that after waiting for almost 2 months since the election for a stimulus package that energizes, we are asked to wait another 2 months for the budget(that's 4 months total in my books) while we wait for leadership from the conservatives!!!
Enough! As I said at the beginning, the beauty of a democracy is that the majority always wins...thank goodness!
Chris in Winnipeg
said
Just goes to show what people will agree to for more power.
I have never been more embarrassed to be Canadian.
Concerned Canadian
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Mathieu in Newcastle
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Nan
said
Seriously, fellow Canadians, get with it. Our Prime Minister acted like an autocrat and should have consulted the people and the house. However, that being said, his foolish actions should not end in this fiasco! In my humble opinion, the Bloc is a treasonous party allowed by the rest of Canada to exist on a federal level and to have seats in the federally represented House of Commons even though they are only able to be voted on by the one province- Quebec! This says one thing - fine to have the Bloc within the confines of Quebec, but it should not be within the governing fabric of an overall Canada. This situation is prime example of this. The Bloc is for a free and separate country of Quebec. The Bloc is not for the survival of Canada! We are a very stupid lot if we for one minute let this party exist on a federal level any longer when not all Canadians can vote on whether we want them or not. Layton and Dion have acted with disregard for the rest of Canadians and Canada.
MRC in Hamilton
said
Take our own Canadian Football League (CFL) as an example. Let's say the Hamilton Tiger-Cats win the Grey Cup (side note: as hilarious as that is) over the Toronto Argonauts, whom both defeated the Calgary Stampeders and the Winnipeg Bluebombers in the previous round. This "62% majority" & this coalition would be like the Argos, Stampeders, & Bombers getting together, whining & saying that they deserve the Grey Cup collectively because they scored more points in those 2 games...WHICH IS RIDICULOUS!!!! To top it off, one of the whiners would publicly declare that their coalition would support their "sovereignty" desires to leave the CFL...
THIS COALITION IS A DISGRACE TO GOOD GOVERNANCE IN A PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRATIC CIVILIZATION.
Denice
said
People feel their vote doesn't make a difference and we are seeing this may very well be true. Also, as an Albetan, I am tired of feeling like a second class citizen in Canada. Alberta is in a good financial position because of the hard work and sacrifice of the people who live here, not thanks to politicians in the East who can't wait to rape our wealth .
DB - Winnipeg
said
Stew Fettes, Regina, Sask.
said
Willfully setting in place a coalition of "Socialists" like the CCF/NDP and The Block, will allienate intelligent thinking Liberals away from their own party and leave them with a feeling of betrayal for cementing a relationship with "Socialism". The Liberals tried that in Saskatchewan, and now there are "no more Liberals".
Trevor Knox Millar, Winnipeg
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Chris , Nova Scotia
said
6-7 weeks ago, Canadians voted for a Democratic minority Conservative Government. We obviously said we are not quite ready for a majority government, but Mr. Harper please proceed. So without waiting to hear what will be announced in the budget, we will be faced with a Authoritarian majority New Liberal Separatist party. Free reign for at least 18 months. How crazy is this? How many billions is this going to cost us? I hope that the GG will use some common sense and not allow such a takeover to occur. At least let us vote on our new two party system.
Peggie
said
Steve Daly, Mississauga
said
This is all about being 'entitled to our entitlements'. For the Liberals that means many things including being entitled to live with one hand firmly ensconced in the cookie jar and unfettered access to the perks that come with being the forming the Government.
Hold an election and vote Conservative... send a clear message that playing games to maintain your own perks instead of dealing with the Country's issues is unacceptable!
Western Seperatist in Vancouver (US wannabe maybe)
said
The majority of Canadians didn't vote for ya Steve. Tough luck."
Well, guess what John, the majority of Canadians didn't vote for Dion, the majority of Canadians sure didn't vote for Layton and nor for Duceppe and for that matter, the majority of Candians didn't vote for me. Does this give me the right to be the next PM?
Your logic is all wet my friend.
Dr William Klein
said
In the current situation confronting Canada, if we analyze the results of the 40th General Election held in October, we see that while the Conservative Party elected 143 members, falling only 10 seats short of an absolute majority, the individual opposition parties fared rather badly.
The Bloc Quebecois, which doesn’t have any interest in Canada at all, except to suck money from the rest of the country until Quebec separates, was rejected by 90% of the population. They are 103 seats short of a majority. The NDP was rejected by 82%, making them 116 seats short of a majority; and the Liberals by 74%, or 77 seats short of a majority.
It is a specious argument that, combined, these three parties represent the majority of the population. What they do represent is only their narrow interests, and the failure of their platforms to develop traction among those who voted.
Consequently, joining together and ganging up on the party that was supported by 38% of the population – at least 11% more than the next closest party – is not, it seems to me, really the democratic way.
The Governor General might suggest, in the event that the opposition succeeds in defeating the government in a non-confidence motion, that Mr. Harper have another go at trying to present a budget and a program to Parliament, rather than let the “troika” of losers take over and make things worse.
It would be relatively easy, and perhaps smart, for Mr. Harper to adopt one policy initiative of one of the other parties, either the Liberals or the NDP, and present it as his government’s policy. Surely the party whose idea he adopts would be very hard-pressed to vote against his government in that circumstance, without losing a lot of credibility itself. And thus, a majority in the House could be achieved.
The opposition can hardly be said to have presented a platform to Canadians and have that platform approved by the people. What kind of back-room deals were made? We don’t know, and we wouldn’t know until it is too late. Is this what Canada has deteriorated into? Since when do we get a government whose platform, policies, ideas, and plans are totally hidden from the people they propose to govern?
It is futile to point to the individual platforms of the NDP and the Liberals from the last election, because they were soundly rejected by the majority of the people of this country. For them to trot out those rejected policies isn’t a step forward, it is two steps backward. To conjure up new plans without letting the people know what those policies might be before taking power is exactly a coup d’etat, under the illusion that it is democratic.
Wake up, Canada. Something dangerous is very likely to happen if this crazy idea is permitted to move forward.
Perhaps the people should pronounce its verdict in a new general election. To allow the gang-of-three to usurp power under the guise of having a so-called “majority” is to permit, not majority rule, but the tyranny of the minorities. And that is not how democracy works.
Dr. William Klein,
London ON
A. Nielsen
said
A minority government is just that, a minority. The other parties are questioning Mr. Harper's agenda and his inability to lead Canadians through this economic crisis. Mr. Harper says this is unethical, unconstitutional, and that the Liberals and the NDP should have talked to him first rather than "secret backdoor meetings". Mr. Harper, you shouldn't be trying to stall the democratic process and taking cheap shots at the people who are there to look out for the best interests of the political process.
As for the Governor General, it's time for her to shine, let the democratic process take place and make sure that the will of the majority of Canadians be heard.
Robin
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Peeved in Hamilton
said
Obviously as a voting Canadian my vote did not count, the message being sent to me is that I want your tax money but that is all, I don't care about you other than the fact that I am a paying member of society.
So maybe I will drop out of this society and live in the woods somewhere with my warm fuzzy feeling on what as a canadian I really want.
Good luck to the rest of you I am starting my hike!!!
Jack Fallis Ottawa
said
It is difficult to believe we are close to having a manage et trois as a government.It is time for everyone to let our politicians know where we stand.As for Harper-I hope these recent decisions are not an example of his everal inteligence
Glen
said
Harper is a bad leader unwilling to compromise with anyone or do anything when decision must be made. He's all spin, and the attack ads prove it. He's playing you all for idiots and you're proving him correct.
The 3 leaders represent 67% of the country, how hard is that to understand?
This is democracy at it's best.
Remember when Harper called out the other parties for not defeating him in a non-confidence vote (multiple times) and gloated about it?
Who has egg on their face now.
Connie of Saskatchwan
said
As for who voted who is also childish, we are a free country and can vote for who we would like to govern our country.
Do we want the Liberals, NDP and Bloc to run our country? Are we forgetting what they have done to us in the past and now they are going to hand out 30 Billion dollars, where are they getting that from, us the tax payers. Why not get rid of all the CEO's of the major companies and then those companies would have money to continue running.
All of this hog wash is a big power trip with the Liberals,NDP,BLOC.
The reason that we are in this situation is do to greed of all not one but all.There is no compassion within humans, the compassion is the all mighty dollar and who can out do who.
We all need to be ashamed, wake up people and look at what you need not what you feel you HAVE to have. Live with in your means and then we would not be in this situation.
Greg Burgoon
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gordon from Toronto
said
On second thoughts, perhaps it is a blessing that they found something to keep themselves preoccupied than trying to run the country and messing it up even more.
Within the last 60 days, the VAST majority of Canadians voted against Stephane Dion and his party asked him to step down, now against the better judgment of all these people, he tries to maneuver his way to becoming the next PM. What’s wrong with this picture?
Let’s fire all three cronies and start fresh with three politicians who are more interested in the welfare of our country than their own.
F. Bakker
said
Now look what's happening here: when the non ruling parties are unhappy about the popular vote resulting from an election they start scheming how they can get into power via the backdoor. We will have demonstrations and angry canadians who feel they have been betrayed.(which they are)
I would dread to see a prime minister whose mouth gets all twisted and gets red in the face when he does not quite get his way!
I thought his party agreed he should resign cause he was partially (if not greatly) the reason of the dismal results for the liberals at election time??
F.B.
Donna Fitzgerald Napanee,Ontario
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Wendy In Montreal
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John
said
Quebec foreigners should not run Canada
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Anne-Marie
said
And about his big outrage of yesterday. Funny how it was OK for him to get in bed with the NDP and Bloc in 2004 when he signed the same kind of letter with them to try and topple the Martin government but it not OK now for the Liberals to do the same. Guess Harper's rules only need to be followed when it benefits his power grab ambitions.
Amy, Toronto
said
As for saying that the coalition represents more Canadians, how arrogantly presumptive! How can anyone be sure that a Liberal supporter would automatically vote for the NDP and vice versa? If these people had been presented with the choice of a LIB/NDP/Bloc coalition in the last election, who says they wouldn't have voted differently?
I say bring on another election so that people can cast their votes with clear choices in front of them - the Tories or the LIB/NDP/Bloc Coalition.
Political Junkie
said
In 2004 Harper Tried to form a similar coalition to remove Paul Martin as PM. This is true but there is some differences between then and now. Harper was very public with his intentions and when he tried, people wern't surprised. In contrast Dion had on several occasions stated that no coalition is going to happen between Libs and NDP. Also stated bay all opposition Parties was cooperation with the government. Yet at the first sign of change (for better or worse is up to you) the coalition is formed. Also reports have shown NDP working on a coalition well before the election. There was no intention to cooperate here. Another difference between then and now is Paul Martin was on a downward slide in public opinion. The oposite is true of Harper shown in the last election with a NEAR Majority win.
If the coalition truly believe this is what Canadians want they should have stated as such during the election.
This is the reason why the coalition is undemocratic.
Bye Steve
said
I agree, 18 months of someone else is far better than 1 day of Steve Harper. Also, lets be clear here no won won the last election. I don't thinking being the minoity gov't makes you a winner.
We need a more balanced approach to gov't and Steve and the boys are not doing it. Move on Steve!
Mike
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Maggie from Alberta
said
To play the "separatist" card is unacceptable and will create further divisions across this country. We do not need this type of leadership at this time!
I like 68% of the voters did not vote for the conservative government. A minority government has been voted for in the past 3 elections. Canadians want the parties to work together to lead the country through some troubling times.
This is Harper's doing. He needs to undo this mess!
Darryl in Bible Hill NS
said
If we are required to go back to the polls, I say Bill Casey for PM !! Write it on your ballot Canada and it will happen.
We need someone with experience and someone we can trust!
Even with a Tory government, Harper has to go!
Wayne Hynes CANADIAN
said
Harper keeps going on about this co-olition but in 2005 he tryed the SAME thing. Now he's on the other end and he crys. And the GG has the right to refuse his tirade, it's a part of our history.
I'm not pure Liberal, NDP nor Concervative, i've always voted with whats best for Canada, and Harper your just another spoiled kid wannabe, no different that Mulroney and he got away with ROBBING Canadians for years, Airbus Included.
Nick in Gatineau
said
We are a democracy.
Let both sides have their say.
Ken
said
Maritimer
said
38% voted PC
26% voted Liberal
18% voted NDP
10% votes BQ
7% voted Green
1% other/ind
If I voted Liberal, that does not mean I support the BQ. If I voted NDP, that does not mean I support the Liberals. It's clear by the numbers that 75% of the country did NOT vote for Stephane Dion to run the country.
This is why Jean needs to force an election. If the coalition wants to run the country as a coalition, they can run one coalition candidate in each riding across the country against the Conservatives. Then we'd be guranteed a majority result.
Yes, technically people vote for their MP. If I support party X and want party X to lead the country, I'm not going to vote for party Y because I don't like my local candidate - I'd want my vote to count towards getting party X into power REGARDLESS of who is running in my riding.
I would think that most voters vote with the trust that the party they are voting for are not going to "pull a Stronach" and cross the floor, which is essentially what is happening right now, on a huge scale.
bren in ottawa
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Acroyear
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And yes, a coalition of parties has ruled in other countries...for both good and bad.
But then let the coalition run in an election! If 50%+1 of the people say yes, then THAT is democracy.
This back door unite AFTER the election to gain enough votes to seize power is NOT.
Especially not when you combine with a party of traitors! And lets stop the niceities okay? They are traitors to this country.
One of my grandfathers died in WW2, fighting beside good Canadian French who fought and died for this land. Two of my young nephews are off in Afghanistan at this moment, one of whom is proudly Canadian first, proudly French second.
The Bloc are traitors, and the slime that represents the Liberals and NDP have got into bed with them. The person who really holds the power in ANY coalition is the one who has the balance of needed votes...and that would be the Bloc!
Every single leader on the Hill is nothing but scum in my opinion.
But if they truly believe they have a mandate, then let another election happen and let them run as THIS coalition, as a single party and run a single party candidate in each riding, the one who won last time...that will stop the vote splitting. It would coalition versus Conservative. Whoever then wins, wins fair and square, and they then form the government.
I would still hate any coalition that includes these traitors to Canada, but the people would have spoken their minds, and that I could live with.
But this is NOT how the system is really supposed to work.
A proud Maritime!
Ralph S.
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Jasn Austin
said
This is too serious for legal flim-flam we need an election to see who Canadians really want!
Sharon of Toronto
said
I think the GG should suspend the current sitting of the government and there should be a referendum to let the people of Canada decide if we want the colition. In addition I think that the colition should release the agreement that they all signed and that Stephane Dion should step down and an interim leader should be appointed until the Liberal party votes for a new leader prior to the referendum.
Hopefully the GG sees sense and does not allow this farce to go any further until we had a chance to vote for the colition or not.
Lindsay - Edmonton
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Bill in Vernon
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Jessica
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Canadians did not overwhelmingly support Harper. This is the fact!
Michele
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Marc from Petit-Rocher, NB
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After that? I would LOVE to see an election with the NDP, Liberals and Greens united. Then we'd see where Canada really stands.
Ryan A.
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Simon, Gatineau
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Bill
said
Finally we would get a government that works together for the needs of all Canadians not just for the Canadians that make financial contributions to their party.
Richard
said
Well, with a dismal fiscal update along with proposes to sell government assets at a time when the sale price of these assets would be low, Harper has proven he is not capable of being PM. He left the opposition with no other choice. Why go through another election to nowhere when the result would be the same. The Libs, NDP and Bloc have the courage to work together form a coalition knowing that they are taking a big political chance. We need to support them.
All Harper can do is generate more talking points and spin instead of showing real leadership.
Backlash Against Coalition
said
What credentials does the GG have to deal with this crisis? She is on film as having raised a toast to Quebec separation.
If this coup takes place, the backlash against the Separatist Coalition will take generations to heal.
Chris in Halifax
Michel (Ottawa)
said
Better 300 million than 30 billion!!
Although I am quite confident that this ridiculous coalition will not last long, I am most concerned over the financial damage these 3 stooges can do before the conservatives finally get their majority to go and clean up the mess afterwards.
Never mind simply worrying about the fact the GG was placed in her position by the liberals, wasn't there a concern initially over her and her hubby having associated with and encouraged separatists in the past.
Any bets on how she will play this out?
Dan from G.P. AB.
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Allan Webster Ailsa Craig
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George from Winnipeg
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Jessica
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This is what our system allows the GG to do. There is nothin illegal or undemocratic about the coalition gov.
Wayne
said
It is apparent to me that they just don't get it!
The coalition movement to overthrow the government has take away Canadian voters free choice of an elected party.
It does not matter if it is the Conservatives, Ndp, or the Liberals.
If either party was chosen by the Canadian voters with a mandate to form the government, then the Canadian voter’s decision should be respected and upheld.
If you want an opportunity to lead the country, then let Canada vote!
Gary Findlay
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Liam Schaefer
Meadow Lake
Sask
Thomas (Ottawa)
said
Mr. Harper's PR campaign is a massive propaganda campaign playing on Canadian's political illiteracy.
When all is said in done, and the coalition is in power, I hope that Mr. Harper has his face rubbed in this for a long time. For instance, Although Harper hates Joe Clark, he did exactly what Joe did. That is, acting like he had a majority when he only had a minority. Even though Harper has been in politics a long time, he just learned a valuable less a bit too late. Democracy is run by consensus not by doctoral arrogance.
Steve
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Earlier this year Mr. Harper asked the GG to dissolve the previous Parliament because he felt he could win a majority. The final result clearly shows the Canadian voters did not want to give him the power of a majority government. His only option was to work with the Opposition to maintain the confidence of the House. Again he failed and now he must face the consequences. Asking the GG to prologue Parliament only 7 weeks after the last election is clearly not democratic. In fact, it’s an affront to the Parliamentary system he has sworn to uphold.
Canadian should how gird their loins and prepare for a new governing body. Many may not like it, but the left and centre left parties clearly have 60% of the seats and popular vote. Mr. Harper does not have a mandate to rule with only 40%, and he did not build the necessary bridges with one or more opposition parties to retain power.
Elizabeth from Ontario
said
Because Harper couldn't and wouldn't agree to the Bloc's demands, the agreement fell through.
However, Dion and Layton have no problem giving the Bloc whatever it wants just to get rid of Stephen Harper, out of pure hatred for the man, nothing more. Harper could have said "The sky is blue" and the Opposition would have called for the government's demise, as evidenced by the taped meeting of the NDP caucus.
This is shameful and if the GG cares at all about Canada she will allow a prorogue of parliament.
Kevin stacey
said
The majority of Canadians did not vote the Conservatives in power. And if the Conservatives were not such idiots, they would have come up with a better stimulus package than trying to save $ 30,000,000 (.00015% of total budget) in an obvious attempt at quashing the other parties from imparting of their political views to the rest of Canadians who rely on various mediums to hear what they have to say.
Frank in Russia
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Milli
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Cory
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Ki-Som Victoria BC
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Ashoor
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Nick Spooner- MTL
said
Tough luck, i sincerely hope GG does not prorogue because the last thing we need in an economic crisis is a government that is at a standstill.
People, GET INFORMED
Mike
said
Harper and the conservatives have divided this country more than the sepratists ever have, a coalition government is what this country needs now. This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time to put our politicians back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids.
Sheldon from Winnipeg
said
For the Bloc to come on board with this they will recieve an additional transfer payment of 1.9 Billion mine and yours tax dollars. Where a general election will only cost 300 million let see how the people will vote now that they know what the outcome could be.
The stare of the economy is heading down hill do to the unrest within our goverment and will not correct untill we have a goverment that can govern. The goverment can not really present a budget for the upcoming year untill the Unioted States has place there's for we are tied so directly to the United States economy and the auto indusrties tha we have to wait and see. They are taking steps to cut costs knowing what is taking place in the present times but why is the polical parties needing our taxed dollars to run the polical campains? Couldn't that money be better used for the following daycare, healthcare right Mr. Dion and Mr Harper who preach such. The Bloc they don't have to raise a dime for there party for they recieve over 6 million of my mony. Here the MP's work for us and they want raise?
Johnny Canuck
said
Do not allow a separatist party to pull the strings of government behind the scenes. The real danger in this coalition is that it could fracture Canada forever.
The government has been hijacked and the proof is that this coalition began prior to the last election. So there was never any concern for Canada and it's electorate. The coalition was planned and plotted regardless of the thrown speach contents.
Once again, let Canada decide not a few losers in a back room. We will be happy to decide a majority goverment.
Melanie Warkentin
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Ernie in BC
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R. J. in Calgary
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If the Coalition is undemocratic because they weren't elected by the people, then Harper bringing down the Liberal government in 2005 was undemocratic because I didn't vote for the two parties (Bloc and Cons) that brought down the government then. You can't have it both ways people.
Oh you can say Harper brought it to an election not a coalition. Well Harper tried to work a Coalition with the NDP and the Bloc going as so far as to send a letter to the GG, but of course you can't get more distant Ideologies then the Cons and NDP and was doomed from the beginning.
The big error by Harper was not working with the opposition but treating the government like he had a mandate from the people. He didn't. So the Opposition are working together to form a government, which gives them more power then Harpers Cons.
It is Harper's biggest error ever… and one which will end up leading him to the exit door of the Conservative Party soon.
David in Calgary
said
The majority did not speak for a coalition and I wonder how many of those who voted NDP or Lib would have done so knowing that they would try to form a Canadian Government with a party that does not want to be Canadian. The one thing that I truly wish is that Gilles will keep talking...he's helping our cause!!
Joan
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Chris in Toronto
said
My message to all parliamentarians is "GROW UP". What a bunch of children. Canada deserves better and has had too many years of overtly partisan politics without Canada's best interest at heart.
Greg in eastern ontario
said
Is this not how the Parliamentary system was designed? There are many examples of coalitions and grand coalition governments in other jurisdictions - my only surprise is that it hasn't happened sooner.
Sure, the 'majority' voted for one gang in parliament, but that does not lessen the voice of those who voted differently and are, in fact, the combined majority.
Let Parliament work - this is how it was designed to work, as much as it pains the Conservatives.
Anne Ottawa
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Maddie
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Nadene Perry
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Pat Donnelly
said
I kinda think a coalition might do a better job than Harper and his crew.
the people voted in such a way that the Conservatives did not have a mrjority, but the other parties together would have a majority. Why didn't Harper do his homework and add the numbers? Joe Clark messed up when he was the Pm and now it's Harper. Would somebody get them a math teacher and help them to add up the numbers!
Joanna from Ontario
said
As parents and teachers we teach our children respect, working together, how to speak to each other, and to care for one another.
Our government members do not seem to know any of this.
So we just voted.
Now it is time to work together.
We need to stop all this yelling and screaming and hateful speach.
Dion and Layton need to stop focussing all their energy on being vehemently opposed to EVERYTHING Harper suggests and start LISTENING and working together. They can still represent their constituents this way.
Is anyone else embarrassed by how our politicians just yell at each other and interrupt one another? And make plans to topple each other? Indeed this comes across as animal like.
Stop this coalition, and start working. Yes, working.
Steve in Hamilton
said
It would be like the 14th, 15th and 16th teams in the NHL getting together and saying... "If we put our wins together we'll have one more than the Detroit Red Wings and that would make us Stanley Cup Champions!!!"
Hey wait, that would mean that The Toronto Maple Leafs would be Stanley Cup Champions!!! I take it all back this is the best way to run a Country!!!
(tongue planted firmly in cheek)
3 Losers don't make a winner.
dennis mikalson
said
The only reserection for the Conservative party is to dump Harper.
Andrew in Woodstock
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marlin
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paul courneyea
said
bailing out the big 3, while other manufacturers are doing well is to reward incompetence and poor performance and burden our progeny with more pointless debt. let failures fail. there are other ways to stimulate the economy!
if ford needs a plan, have them dust off the "k-cycle" engine and start producing 100mpg+ cars now.
dion wants power at any cost. no plan. separatists welcome. pile on...
i urge the governor general to deny dion's shabby attempt at a coup and to call an election if a non-confidence motion succeeds.
Linda in Vancouver
said
If this takeover is allowed to proceed,there will NEVER be a Democratic Senate.The west will ALWAYS be the slaves of central Canada,as Liberals will now know they can coulnt on the separatists and socialists to drown out our voices and negate the votes cast in our region.
There are at least 18 vacant seats in the Senate right now.If Harper fills them,he will be raked over the coals for doing it.If he leaves them for the regions to fill,it may well be to late.If this takeover goes ahead,Dion will fill those seats with more Liberal hacks and has beens.
There will be a Liberal juggernaught in Ottawa for decades to come,no matter who gets elected to sit in Parliament.
Liberal or Conservative,we MUSY unite the WEST.This issue is far bigger than either Harper or Dion.It will be huge in deciding whether or not we ever have a voice in Canada,and whether or not Canada ever evolves into a true democracy that represents ALL of the regions.
The west won the Grey Cup.We can win this too.At the very least,we MUST be allowed to vote.It will be much easier the next time.Just two options.The "Coalition" or the Conservatives.The Premiers of western provinces MUST speak out on this issue on our behalf.
Les in BC
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Alex Roberts (Halifax)
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Harper was hardly given a mandate of any kind.
But numbers aside, it is Harper's fault we are in this crisis, and it is he who should pay by resigning.
mpdman
said
Three men, all born in Quebec - one of whom wants to separate from Canada - sign a document which promises that Canadians will have 3 PM's in a 6 month span. The validity of this document will be judged by a representative of the Queen of England (a Haitian-born Quebecois, whose husband has ties with separatists).
Jon Stewart couldn't write this stuff!.....
Pip
said
What's that? You didn't vote, like 42% of the population? Right, you didn't vote, you got nothing: no action to deal with the economic crisis, because, in spite of their words to the TV cameras, the opposition parties decided not to work for the good of the country.
That's right, no government, just power-hungry politicians bickering over who's to be boss, instead of running the country effectively. That's the problem - too many bosses and too few workers; too many consuming wealth, too few producing it.
Whatever the result - whether Parliament is prorogued or not, vote of no confidence or not, we will soon have another election, and I sincerley hope that the electorate of this country will get out in large numbers and vote. Our nation cannot take much more of this political in-fighting at our expense, and that will be the case until we get voter turnouts in the 80%+ range.
T Sanders
said
Because if they really came out and said they want power because their egos were hurt, who would support that? So they lie to us.
Again, the motivation of the coalition is rather easy to figure out. The coalition WANTS power and they'll do whatever it takes and hurt whomever it hurts to get it. It's clearly not about a lack of economic plan.
Aren't we sick of being lied to yet? What about holding the elected MPs accountable to telling us the truth.
Jason Roettger
said
Way to go, Canada!
Charles
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Anthony from NS
said
For starters, the separtists have no power whatsoever to govern in any form (read the constitution), but the coalition needs them to help get things done.
Second, separtism opinion in Quebec is at an all-time low, and most quebec'ers do not wish to have a referendum.
The goal of the BQ is to look out for the best interests of Quebec, plain and simple. The notion of the BQ aligning with the coalition and planning on separating canada is bull; they know that they cannot use that influence. Any real smart person could see that.
The only agreement between these 2 groups is a bit more for quebec so that the BQ gives their support to the coalition. Nothing more nothing less.
I in all forms support this coalition fully. Harper will just stagnate parliament again and nothing will get done. Under the coalition, this will help make sure things get done, and that a potential economic recession will be adverted.
Elaine in Bowmanville
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Dman
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James from Vancouver
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Harper's divisive stance is tearing up the country. Turning westerners against central Canadians and Quebecers, it's disgusting.
The Liberals and NDP have neutered the Bloc on the sovereignty issue for 18-months as the Bloc will wear everything the government accomplishes (good or bad) and is the best chance at convincing separatists that they are better off in an inclusive Canada, taking part in our democracy and the nation.
Alex (Toronto)
said
It's also funny the way he can speak in one language about the Liberals and NDP betraying federalism and in other about the Bloc betraying sovereigntism. These can't both be true, and saying the exact opposite message in different languages is one of the worst ways of lying to Canadian voters. In the real world, the Bloc has agreed to defer its aspirations for sovereignty for at least 18 months. The Liberals and NDP have yielded nothing on national unity, a subject on which Stephane Dion knows more and has done more than anyone else in Parliament.
Harper had no problem cooperating with the BQ to pass budgets and other confidence votes, so he has no standing to criticize anyone else on this. That's all the BQ will be doing with the Liberal-NDP coalition. Federalist parties can't cooperate with separatists on questions of national unity, but there are plenty of economic and social issues that look the same in Quebec as they do in other provinces. The BQ represents its constituents on those issues as well, and democracy doesn't work by ignoring a party on every subject just because of one area of disagreement.
trev in ab
said
Chilliwack B.C.
said
The Liberals and NDP think we are stupid, they think they can smooth talk there way out of this.
They should all be put in jail.
None of the LIBERAL/NDP separatist clowns, none of them, have they once said they will listen to the people, the electorate, no. The Liberals and NDP are finished, we maybe they have a future in Quebec.
David Essner
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Jodi
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Dayton
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Dan Jones, Lacombe Alberta
said
I can't imagine a bigger bucket of gasoline being tossed on the glowing embers of western seperatism. This disgusts me.
blc ontario
said
Let's face it with the exception of the Bloc they all need new leadership. Mr. Duceppe is the smartest one of the lot, unfortunately he is not interested in the welfare of the whole country.
In the meantime the nonsense goes on, nothing gets done and our economic woes get worse, while the twits all fight for power. Can anyone really say anyone of them has the best interest of Canada and its' people in mind?
DK from Sudbury
said
we'll all look back, especially steve, and realize that in a minority government, you must treat it like one...not like youve earned a majority. canadians voted for the parties to work together...at least three of them will
Steve - Montreal
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Joe Viscount
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Edward
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Vaino 'Vain Zero' Lund
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This is a failure of the PM and underlines WHY there is a Majority of Members in the House willing to support Dion to lead the country as PM.
Harper Can Not Lead, or he would proceed with the business of the house, and he is not proceeding. He must step down as PM.
Carley, Ottawa
said
Can we not get rid of them all and start fresh with some new faces that can help us turn this situation around as well as look at the bigger picture? The economy is failing, lives are being lost fighting a war in Afghanistan, people are losing there jobs and the cost of living keeps rising to the point where many can no longer keep up! The voice of the Canadian people has become lost and forgotten, and government in Canada now looks like a car crash about to happen.
And who is to blame? Is it the people in office or is it the fact the most Canadian can not be bothered to look around and find out what is happening? We are in control of our own government, we are the ones that are supposed to hold the power. We were the ones that elect a party into office, we could have prevented all this from happening, but instead of paying attention, many sit in front of there TVs each night watching who will be voted off dancing with the stars!
There needs to be some changes in our government meaning new players on both sides!! People who can inspire, have new ideas, goals, and can work with together with their opposition, to make government work for who it is meant for... the people! I know this is turning into a rant.. but its time that Canada found some "Change" of there own.
Bill Leonard
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Kelly from Saskatchewan
said
In regards to the economic situation in Canada, I realize other provinces are doing better financially than others at this current time, but that may not be the case going forward. My thought is corporate tax cuts will eventually reach people in every province. Adding money to an already failing automobile industry may have a big inpact on what, one maybe two provinces?
This will be an interesting month for Canadians and especially politicians.
J James
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Dave from BC
said
Harper doesn't have the confidence of the house, he can't be Prime Minister, end of discussion. Dion appears to have that confidence he can be Prime Minster. Nothing ideological about this, doesn't matter what party has the most seats, or if Canadians voted for a coalition. In being a Prime Minister all that matters in the Westminster System is having the confidence of the house.
Doug from Kitsilano
said
Gary from Oakville ON
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At that point, the GG has two choices, call an election or accept the coalition.
The government and the PM serve at the pleasure of parliament. If one party has a majority, no problem. If one party does not, then the other parties are free to join together.
There is nothing treasonous, undemocratic, or unparliamentary about this. That is the system.
Mr. Harper cannot bring himself to try dealing with the opposition. If you choose to run a minority gvernment like a majority, you do so at your peril.
Sue in Dartmouth
said
That being said, I in no way support this left wing coalition, with Huey, Duey and Louie at the helm. As a tax payer and someone who has lived through recessions and huge deficits, I am very nervous about what these three are going to do with my money. I wonder how true the rumour is that Duceppe was promised 1 billion or so for Quebec for his support. I am sickened by that.
Interesting how Manley and McKenna, who I do respect, are staying clear of this whole thing. So much for their names being thrown out there as economic advisers to the coalition.
Travis
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Den from Montreal
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They think they can do anything they want without challenge and, when someone does challenge them, they resort to "Attack ads".
I don't know what's worse: the attack ads themselves or that so many moronic Canadians fall for that crap.
The cons remind me of the schoolyard bully who turns out to be the biggest coward crybaby.
You made yourself a target (as does anyine in politics), so live with it, Mr. PM.
John
said
so get all your facts straight, not just the ones that favor your opinion.
Scott Dick
said
The Governor General represents Canada. If she grants in anyway shape or form the Coalitions request with the full knowledge that the Bloc separatists will prop up that coalition, then would the Governor Generals office be in contempt? A conflict of interest?
This in the long term would be detrimental to Canada to set the kind precedent.
If she lets the coalition take power, than the federal government can not be trusted. The coalition will immediately shift millions if not billions more into the Bloc Separatists favor. I ask that everyone in Alberta immediately review Alberta’s Wildrose Alliance press release yesterday stating that all transfer payments to Ottawa stop!
The coalition must not be allowed to exist, they no longer represent any federalist views what so ever.
Lisa Pickering
said
Mr Dion does not deserve to be PM even if it will forever have an asterisk beside it. He failed so miserably at the elections the Liberals lost seats!!
Have an election and let CANADIAN vote and decide who they want, not the backroom dealers!
John from down the street
said
the old lady
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Rick Hemmingson
said
He is a true Liberal. No convictions. No vision. Just raw ambition.
Sarah in Niagara
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Sam - Montreal
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Bruce Penny
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larry in waterloo
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Nick in Gatineau
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He'd be proroguing the house because he'd be busy signing $ 100 Billion trade deals.
Oh yeah. He chose to sign 1 deal with ....Colombia. When will he announce a trade deal with Togo ?
Waiting for the US economic stimulus plan before presenting a Budget is fiscally unresponsible, unprudent and shows complete lack of understanding of the present economic situation.
If you don't understand it here it is:
All of the following also have Tourism as an industry.
Here are the main themes.
NFLD - Fisheries (almost decimated by the conservative govt.), Oil, and Forestry (dwindling)
PEI - Potatoes (the US says they are infected by a virus)
NS - Fisheries (almost decimated by the conservative govt.).
NB - Forestry (dwindling), Agriculture.
QC - Forestry (almost decimated), Hydro, Mining (Exploration is 90 % of it. Only Val D'or is left), Agriculture and Dairy (punished by Conservative Govt. Tarrifs), Oil and Gas (Exploration).
ON - Forestry (almost decimated), Oil (Ended in the 70's), Agriculture (In Trouble), Auto-manufacturing (In Trouble), Mining (dwindling)
MB - Forestry (5 to 10 % loss to fire / year), agriculture, Mining
SK - Agriculture (Drought 8 years out of 10), Beef, Oil and Gas, Health, Scientific.
AB - Oil and Gas, Agriculture (Drought 8 years out of 10), Beef, Forestry (5 to 10 % loos by fire/year), Mining
BC - Fisheries (almost decimated by the conservative govt.), Oil and Gas, Forestry (dwindling + 5 to 10 % loss by fire / year), Mining.
So to these westerners who keep saying that Eastern Canada should not get a dime, look long and hard at that list.
Rod
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Margaret in Ottawa
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My Two Bits Worth
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BQ - 50 seats , 10% of popular vote
Liberals - 76 seats , 26% of popular vote
NDP - 37 seats , 18% of popular vote
Conservative - 143 seats , 38% of popular vote.
One can interpret these numbers to read that the Conservatives got twice as many seats as the Liberals, almost 3 times as many as the BQ and FOUR times as many as the NDP. That tells me that majority wanted the Conservatives over any other party.
Further more, 90% of Canadians did not vote for the BQ, 74% did not vote for the Liberals and 82% did not vote for the NDP. Compare those numbers to the 64% that did not vote for the Conservatives and you will find that more Canadians want the Conservatives at the helm of this country than any other party.
If you break down the seats per province;
Alberta 27 Conservative seats , 1 NDP seat , 0 Liberal and 0 BQ
BC 22 Conservative seats , 5 liberal and 9 NDP
Sask 13 Conservative seats , 1 Liberal , 0 NDP and ) BQ
Manitoba 9 Conservative seats , 4 NDP , 1 Liberal and 0 BQ.
Does this coalition of three stooges represent ALL of CANADA or just Ontario and Quebec?
Looking at the numbers above, it appears that only two provinces are represented. So, to the GG, please send us back to the polls and let the Canadian voter decide what is best for Canada. It would be wrong to do anything else.
Debra
said
February 20. 1959 Avro Arrow – Diefenbaker
Joe Clark - May 1979 - He believed that he could build public approval by governing as if he had a majority, but he failed to win support from the other parties, especially the NDP, for key parts of his program - namely, the "privatization" of PETRO-CANADA, a mortgage tax credit and austerity financing. The government fell that December on a vote of nonconfidence in the House on John CROSBIE's budget.
Brian Mulroney - The first 2 years of Mulroney's administration were marked by indecision and scandals in his Cabinet, Meech Lake Accord slowly unravelled, and its collapse in June 1990 was at least partly attributed to Mulroney's widely quoted "roll of the dice" in scheduling the final first ministers' conference so close to the deadline. His government reached a new low in popularity with the imposition of the new Goods and Services Tax (GST), which went into effect 1 January 1991. Mulroney had to stack the Senate with supporters in order to get the bill through the upper house. Then the Airbus scandal in 1998.
Kim Campbell – June 13 – December 1993 Kim Campbell – First women to become PM of Canada, lost her own seat in election debacle of 1993.
Now Stephen Harper - The Aliiance, Progressive Conservatives and the Conservatives history should by now show the Canadian people they do not belong in the house of commons.
Seeing through the wool
said
1. During the last election, you probably noticed a few other names on your ballot. Those people come from different political parties. You know what? Some of those people and parties even legitimately won their ridings. THEY WERE ELECTED. You cannot sit in the House of Commons unless you are elected.
2. We do not live in the US. Our PM is not our President. We do not vote for a PM first. We vote for an MP first in the hopes that their party will have enough seats to form the Government. The Conservatives, unfortunately (but fortunately for every sane person in this country), did not gain a majority Government, they only managed to gain the support of the minority of Canadians. The other 3 parties represented in the House of Commons DEMOCRATICALLY outnumber the minority. That is simple arithmetic.
3. The fact of the matter is that everybody knows the left-of-centre has been fragmented. The PC knew this when they formed the "coalition" Government with the Reformists. They solidified the right. It was only a matter of time before the left became united. Even though I believe our Multi-party political system is far more favourable than the two horse race in the US, I believe this is the best thing in the short-run.
4. I would also like to correct those people who use seperatist and sovereignist interchangeably. The Bloc (in this past election) did not run on a separatist platform as they did in years past. Their interest is Quebec protection, not Canadian destruction.
johnny boucher
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Haig Moreton
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Haig Moreton, Boucherville QC
Brad C
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T Sanders
said
Self-serving liars. No matter how they hold the spin, we all know the truth. It's NOT about Canadian economics, but about party economics. And by the way, the Libs have done a poor job managing their own finances. Just imagine how poorly they can manage Canada's.
Claude - Calgary
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Steve, Yellowknife
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"ALL his tactics have been aimed at exhausting Canadians so that when only 30% of voters show up he'll achieve a resounding majority because those 30% are his base."
How wrong he is because any right winger is actually a hardworker who is out working his behind offand voting is actually more cumbersome to him. All the Liberal and NDP (especially the NDP) supporters are social welfare cases who have all the time the time in the world to go vote. The hardest thing for them is having to decide which bus route will take them from their parents basement to the polling station.
Diane
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canophone
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greg
said
On another note, Roger Cuzner, the liberal whip from cape Breton, commented on how his constituents are for keeping Harper accountable. I hope those same constituents understand when the regular flights of workers back and forth from Cape Breton to Ft McMurray ceases to a halt when their new comrade Mr Layton shuts down the oilsands and pushes his tax hike for 50 billion. Did the liberals in C.B vote for this?
Greg
Calgary, Ab
Alex (ottawa)
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Diane from London
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If they follow that logic then they cannot say that it is democratic for them to usurp power because the majority of Canadians did not vote Conservatives.
There were four parties to vote for and the party with the most votes, according to the rules of parliament ,wins. Therefore the Conservatives have a legitimate democratic mandate to govern.
Additionally the people that voted Liberal did not vote for a coalition, they voted Liberal. If a coalition was on the ballot some of those that voted Liberal then may not necessarily vote for the coalition, especially when the Bloc is involved.
Saying that the coalition is preferred by a majority of people is false. Additionally the numbers for the coaliiton are skewed by the Quebec vote which is all for it because of the extended power they will wield.
Play with fire..we will be burned.
If this coalition is a go it won't last more than a couple of months. The Liberals will bicker amongst themselves and with the NDP.
Gilles Duceppe will sit in the corner in glee getting everything he wants at the expense of the rest of Canada. The west will likely start a separatist movement of their own.
It is very sad and as Canadians we should stand up against these people and express our views.
Economics was just an excuse to try and take over a legally elected government.
Shame.
Steve R
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mike alberta
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By the way people we could put 1 TRILLION dollars into the economy and it will not make the whole world better.
Canada does not control the world economy so we also have to watch what the other counties to see what they are doing also.
We can not give the Canadian Auto sector a big lump of moany unless the USA does, other wise the auto workers will get a paycheck if the big 3 go broke.
We can only watch and react which is what I hope is happening.
Clem
said
Remember we the people elect Parliaments and Parliaments make a Government and Parliaments can break a Government.
Nothing wrong with our system, it has these features built in.
What a Country, I Love Canada.
Karl from GTA
said
Yours was the most intelligent synopsis of what is happening now.
Well done.
Manitoba Mike
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Nancy
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The people voted and did not trust him enough to give him a majority.
His actions have caused the non-confidence vote.
Johann Flores -Vancouver
said
This Coalition's so-called majority is strictly a majority in numbers. Not one of the 3 parties on their own recieved the majority of votes during the last election. We were given the choice to vote for the individual parties at that time not this new Coalition.
If this Coalition feels that they legitimately represent the will of the majority of The People of Canada then they should have no doubts nor fear in letting Us decide. The Governor General should call another election.
As much as I hate the thought of wasting my hard-earned tax money ($300 million divided by 30 million Canadians ~ $10 per Canadian), if it will decide things once and for all, it'll be a small price to pay to keep my faith in our Democracy.
If the Coalition then wins the majority, I will back down (which I am expected to do, which I wll do).
Joel Campbell, Petrolia, Ontario
said
The concept of a coalition government may be an interesting curiosity, but the coalition that has been recently agreed to is laughable and doomed to failure. The idea of the Liberal party entering into a political pact with the Bloc Quebecois is a travesty, both in terms of the Liberal party’s heritage and the political tradition of this country. Throughout Canadian history, the Liberal party has been the most important in advocating and pursuing national unity. The party has been led by many great, multi-term, patriotic Prime Ministers, including French-Canadians such as Wilfrid Laurier, Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien. These men aggressively pursued national unity throughout their terms, despite separatist hostility from French Canadian leaders such as Henri Bourassa, Rene Levesque, Jacques Parizeau and Lucien Bouchard.
Now the Liberals are led by a new French-Canadian who spits on the painstaking work of his pro-Canadian forerunners. He would ally Canada’s most nationalistic party with the separatist Bloc Quebecois. This is madness. Stephane Dion is not fit to run his own party, let alone this country. As even the Liberal faithful will admit, Dion is directly responsible for the worst election outcome for Liberals in decades, and has proved incompetent in leading his party forward. Dion is a desperate man, on his way out the door, looking to be replaced as Liberal leader within months. Desperate men resort to desperate measures, but can he really be so desperate as to unite with politicians so diametrically opposed to his party’s strongest principles?
Canada has just gone through a long election process. Stephen Harper did not win 50% or more of the House of Commons. He does not have a majority government. However, the Conservative party clearly has the largest share of support from Canadians across Canada. They have formed a government. Would those belonging to the three losing parties of the last election seek to overturn the will of the Canadian people over sour grapes?
When Canadians cast their votes, they voted for a member of a particular party that represented specific political ideologies and platforms, be they Conservative, Liberal, NDP, Bloc, or others. Did Liberal supporters vote for this alliance? Did NDP supporters? Did the Bloc supporters? Absolutely not! Though the currently elected members of these three parties could mathematically make a majority government when mashed together, the real question is would Canadians vote for this mish-mash coalition over the unified Conservative party?
In sum, the proposed coalition government may be constitutional, but it is not Canadian, not democratic, and not right. In addition, the proposed coalition triumvirate is sure to be short-lived as there is no conceivable way three parties and leaders with such different ideologies can co-exist for very long. The coalition conundrum is sure to further destabilize our political climate and add no promise for stability and resolution in the near future, other than, perhaps, a clear Conservative majority in the next election spurred on by disgruntled and disillusioned voters.
T. Camelot
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Aren't there even 11 decent opposition members who will cross the floor and put an end to this ill advised coalition for the sake of this great country's political and economical future???
I kringe at the thought of Dion (who can't even manage his own party's finances - as he still owes money for his election two years ago)running this great country!!!
And to all the people who keep saying Harper is doing nothing for this country, don't they listen to the news or do they just not understand? The rest of the world keep pointing to Canada as being in the best economic position of all the G8 countries to weather this global economic crisis. So obviously, the rest of the world recognizes that our current government must be doing things right.
When times are hard everybody should tighten their belts not just throw billion of dollars at the problem without examining the situation thoroughly.
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Janet for Oshawa
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Mike in NB
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Andrew Noble, Montreal
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The coalition (Liberal and NDP) actually received 44.4% of the popular vote as opposed to the Conservatives who only received 37.6% of the popular vote. The Bloc received another 10%. So the coalition with the support of the Bloc, actually represent a majority of Voters.
If you now take into account the fact that we had the worst voter turnout, most likely because Canadians were upset at Harper's election, the argument that people actually did overwhelmingly not support Harper.
Stop your lies and arrogance Harper, take responsibility for your actions and step aside. Prorogation would be a pathetic attempt at clinging to power.
Chris M in NS
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Nope, the last thing they want to do is let us have a say in this. The have appointed themselves into power until AT LEAST 2011.
To all you coalition supporters I say, BRING ON AN ELECTION! That is the only true way to clear the air here!
John Smith
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Then, I need a new truck, which I am taxed on, so I buy one that is made in Ontario and, effectively, I am now paying double.
Makes sense, doesn't it.
Quick word: We voted for a individual parties, not a "coalition." Send us back to the polls. If the Liberals/NDP/Bloc/Green stick together as a "coalition" for the next election, we'll know it's sincere and in the best interests of Canadians. But, I'm quite certain this will not be the case. The Parties will go their separate ways looking to increase their positions within the House.
Think about this...
Luke
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Raywal
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1) We have all the MPs working for the people right? If this session is dissolved and essentially no government is governing, how much are their salaries costing the tax payer? Lead by example? I don't think so...shame on all of you.....for wasting our time and our money during this critical time.....
2) Mr Harper.....you made a lapse in judgment.....by seeking the support of the GG to dissolve the session until January so you can "reset" and start over.(like nothing happened)...is complete nonsense.....you think we are living in a fantasy world, where we can just erase our missteps and consequences.....must be nice....be a man and stand up, reach out and make the change now....perhaps you should think of crossing the aisle before Dec 8th, and be reaching out to all parties that could only unify the country. This is not a "one person show", we all need to be part of the process....this is a sign of true leadership and would minimize this constant bickering that is getting us nowhere.....we don't want you to spend another $350 million on an election....
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Jessie Synek
Ottawa
Kevin Allan
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So it seems now Mr Harper will cancel Parliament. Why not just bring in the MILITARY AND ARREST THE OPPOSITION ? So much for democracy.
In the last Parliament, Mr Harper threaten Canadians with over 40 ELECTIONS (confidence votes) and now that he will loose a confidence vote, he runs away and HIDES.
Dd
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The man is a hypocrite through and through.
Shannon
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Jim in Markham
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Joseph in Halifax
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Tom Hawley
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How many times in the last parliament did Harper reach out to the Bloc for support to keep him in power?
People posting that are against the Bloc "holding" power ,they have it now!
Do you honestly believe this is going to be an open for Quebec separation? It appears some of you dislike Quebec more than the coalition itself.
Perhaps all this boils down to is Harper,the puck hog, coughed up the puck in the neutral zone and the oppostion is on a break away .And now you are hoping the GG can play nets.
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Elizabeth, Ontario
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I do not recall "Coalition" being an option.
Canadians should decide who governs Canada - not a coalition of opposition leaders who did not win enough seats to govern Canada.
I hope that GG will see through this power grab and send Canadians back to the polls. Canadian people have the right to an elected government. Shame on Layton, Dion and Duceppe.
Willem H. Bokhout, CD, CET, WO (Ret'd), Kingston,
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They voted for the Conservatives and their party platform!!
Stephan Dion and his unholy alliance with Seperatists in the form of the Bloc Quebecois flies in the face of traditional Liberal party platforms and policy.
The Governor-General has an obligation to allow the Conservatives to bring down a budget for the review of the House of Commons. If it isnt approved then, by all means, lets go to the polls...again!
However, the current course of action by "Her Majestys Loyal Opposition" smacks of a Coup E'Etat!!
Lets not dishonour Parliamentary tradition.
Give 'em hell Stephen!!
Matt from Niagara Falls, Canada
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Michael from Toronto
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To function effectively, a country must have parties who put forward HONEST credible platforms to govern; it cannot be reduced to a rabble of politicians who simply campaign out of personal dislike for another politician and hatch schemes to fool people to vote their way. Democracy cannot be turned into a soap opera stage for personal disputes between politicians. We have to demand politicians to focus on working for Canada instead of personal disputes between leaders.
Liberal and NDP voters, you must demand that your leaders provide credible benefits to Canada; and not partake in a shameless personal exercise simply to grab power. The right to govern must be won by merit, by demonstrating to you that they have the ability and foresight to lead the country for the longer term. If your leaders have not earned the right to govern don't vote for them.
Democracy is not about partisanship. I always vote according to my own beliefs and according to what I see is better for Canada.
This coalition cooked up by Layton is just a power grab and the country will suffer under this unholy alliance of opposing interests. Decision making will be paralyzed and relegated to the lowest common denominator.
William
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Paul from Brantford.
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Lets go to the polls and find out.
Last time I voted the ballot didn't have coalition on it.
I hope the GG will stop this madness.
Jim from Ontario
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Hopefully there are some sane voices in the Conservative and Liberal camps, where both sides accept some responsibilities for this crisis and we move on to governing.
Both the Liberals and Conservatives hold the ability to destroy each other and the country. Both sides must have enough members who could work together to help the country without being held for ransom by the Socialist or Separatist fringe.
It ain't personal, it's business... the business of running a country through the worst global economic crisis in 70 years.
S. Brown, St. John's
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Why can one single Liberal appointed person now have all the power to choose which government we have. We do have a good democratic system but there is a 'flaw' in it. One that has not been brought to any of the public attention until now. I want a say in what is going on. When I voted 7 weeks ago a Lib/NDP/BLOC coalition was not on the ballot.
Jeff
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John and others: Let's stop using the bogus argument that Harper did not get a majority of the votes (around 38%). Jean Chretien didn't recieve over 40% in any of the elections inwhich he lead the Liberals to majority governments either.
mark
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Also, if this coalition gives more ground to the separatists, it's almost a good thing. I wouldn't be too sad to see my tax dollars stop flowing to fund "French culture".
Laura in Winnipeg
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These are grave times and Canadian citizens need to detach their emotions and their political stripes and look hard at what is happening. Jack Layton keeps saying the government has lost the confidence of the House but he has no hard evidence. Whether we like the current policies or not, Canada is functioning well according to external world authorities...in another place and time, the National Party leaders would be hung for treason. Perhaps their parties will do just that when this is all over. For the sake of Canada, peace, our economy and the future for our kids, we need to trust the processes we have established, or democratically, carefully and constitutionally change them - together
Claude
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Debi Menescus
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Let's try to at least semi-accurately reflect the desires of Canadians.
Alanna, Regina
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Buddha
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The coalition is flawed.
I fear for my country.
The antics in the house yesterday were far from the actions of enlightened adults. These guys need to learn some non-violent communication skills.
My hope: Harper backs down from his ineffective economic strategy and partisan approach and the coalition dissolves
Gail (Hamilton)
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Tamera
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Go coalition go!
Paul MacPherson
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(I am a conservative, but I must respect this end game... well run politics)
Step 1) Let Harper say something stupid... done
Step 2) Seize power... in progress
Step 3) Make Dion the scape goat... in progress
Step 4) Dion becomes Prime Minister
Step 5) 3 months to ensure Dion takes on all the negative fallout of the new Coalition Government
Step 6) in May... Dion is gloriously and ceremoniously removed from power by the Liberals
Step 7) The Liberals are still the party in power.
Step 8) Over the next 12 months... Canada gets over it... we don't hold grudges, and as good Canadians we give out NEW Prime Minister a chance.
Step 9) Canada hits the polls after a year with a new Liberal Prime Minister... Canadians having short memories rarely change governments and the Liberals win a Minority government in 2011.
Well run Politics... Harper and his Conservative party blew it.
Rebekah Ewashko
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Alex Martinez
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Can someone explain to me how Canadians are not rising against the Prime Minister but rather against such coalition as there will be rallies throughout the country. I did not hear nor see Canadians, the masses, asking for the opposition to bring down this government. It's an unadulterated power grab to the extent that even Elizabeth May wants into the fray and spoils. She would be content with a seat in the Senate. Wow unbelievable! This has gotten personal, so, If I say that I hate Stephen Harper am I entitled to a Seat in the Senata too. Gov.-Gen. Michaelle Jean please do the right thing and call an election.
Darlene, NS
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Consider for a moment, at the same time our Parliamentary system was set up, the following was also the law in Canada - domestic abuse was legal and within all the rules; divorce was illegal; women were not legal persons and not allowed to vote; trade unions were considered "criminal conspiracies" and illegal; illegal acts were punishable by whipping or death by hanging. Should we still be following these antiquated rules and laws as well? Of course not!
For heavens sake, don't you people realize by now that just because something 'is', that does not automatically make it 'right'!
That we are only voting in an MP is also not the commonly held belief, by citizens and politicians alike. Evidence this by the fact that it is the federal leadership of each party that is spending millions on advertising right across the country - Vote for ME! Bring my party into power! The electorate of Canada voted with the sincere belief that they were voting in a prime minister as well as their MP, regardless of what the actual rules say.
If we were misled in the true nature of what our votes actually stand for then we deserve the right to go back to the polls and vote with full disclosure by all.
Call an election and let us vote.
Wayne - Stoney Creek
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Maybe this will tide us over until Harper goes, get replaced by a Conservative who understands "Good Government" then things can get back to normal.
DavidL
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Now we know exactly what he was talking about.
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Linda
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John E
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Dan
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-the Bloc will hold the balance of power. (did anyone hear Duceppe's comments regarding how this will aid the separatists' cause yesterday?)
-we will have a prime minister that most Canadians do not support and who does not even have the support of his own party
-6 NDP cabinet ministers and 6 NDP parliamentary secretaries? Is this really the time for cabinet ministers with little or no experience?
Prorogung is really the only option to let these leaders work things out. Dissolving parliament hastily and allowing a coalition gov't has the most risk of all the options and if/when it fails there will be huge consequences in terms of the economy and Canadian unity.
Michael from Toronto
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The pathetic Liberals would grab at straws now and they should be ashamed but they seem to be mainly tagging along. Liberals have always been a party of convenience and opportunism. This is an opportunity for them. They never had any principles to begin with.
As for the Bloc, they are true to their own cause, the dismantling of Canada. You cannot blame the Bloc for what they are doing - we let them exist in Canada and they are fulfilling their mandate to exit Québec from Canada. French Canadians see these matters in their own way, different from the rest of Canada.
John in Toronto
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Moe
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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Quite a sight. Scary.
Indeed, it's about power and unbridled lust for it. But it's all so PERSONAL. Ultimately, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the betterment of Canada...and, thankfully, Canadians now seem to be well aware. Keep flooding Parliament Hill and the Governor General with emails!
Clarke
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It is ridiculous to think that the Bloc hasn't asked for the moon to support this coalition.
bob in winnipeg
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I know very well how a parlimentary system works, and this is not it. To suggest that most people did not vote for Harper as PM also misses the point.
The point being that, very simply, more people voted for conservatives than any other party, certainly far more than Dion, and more than Liberal and NDP together.
The cry that Harper somehow is not working with the other parties is BS. It is the other parties that took the economic update- a very reasonable one at that- and made this the pretense for an already-cooked up rational to steal power that was not given to them by the voters. NOBODY voted for this.
Furthermore, to suggest that people like me who are offended by all this are simply repeating conservitive talking points is, well, rather like saying that the Bloc is concerned for the welfare of all of Canada. In other words, false.
Don J.
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A BC Voter
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Although Dion's performance was not very good last election, let us give credit to a man who has the guts to pull three parties together to put down a bully.
Andy
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We have to see that not only soveignists voted for the Bloc Quebecois. They got 49/75 seats in Quebec.
However, at the provincial level, the sovereignist Parti Quebecois is about to suffer a third consecutive loss with only 30% of the vote. The federalist Liberal Party in latest polls are projected to get 46% percent of the vote. The autonomous Action Democratique (federalists) would get 12% of the vote.
Even a quarter of Parti Quebecois voters are against sovereignty. That is something! About 67% of Quebecers are AGAINST sovereignty.
So Mr. Harper lets not turn this into a national unity issue when the sovereignist cause is not popular and federalism is favored in Quebec.
DO NOT RUIN THIS!
Stephen Harper tells sovereignist they've signed the soul over to liberal federalists and tells liberals they are sleeping with sovereignists. Make up your mind Mr. Harper. Which one is it?
The Governor General should not listen to here advisor, Prime Minister Harper, in the case where he would ask the GG to perogue or dissolve Parliament since this advisor clearly doesn't have the confidence in the House and that someone else in the House has the confidence of a majority of members. She therefore has to consider Stephane Dion's recommendations.
Nobody is stealing anybody's vote.
If we were in a presidential proportionnal system, either Mr. Harper would have had to make a coalition or the opposition would have had to do the same.
Mr. Harper dug this hole by not listening to the people, trying to push his agenda.
Instead of crossing partisan lines to work for the people like the opposition, Mr. Harper decided to do differently.
What's good for Quebec is good for other provinces (Money for forestry (QC, BC), manufacturing (QC, ON), + $ for auto sector.
Rob - A scared for my wallet guy
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I believe that there has been sufficent voice to send us back to the polls if the government is dissolved. let us as voters decide where we want to go and how we want our economy managed. Granted we did that just 6 or 7 weeks ago, but as others have said I would rather 300 million than 30 Billion wasted, it is not the answer to pulicise a private companies losses in this manner. Wow I am all over the map.
Carol Shypitka, Castlegar
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I would like to know how this can be called democracy when all three opposition parties got their vote on a no coalition plateform. We the people should be the ones voting on a coalition government. I can guantee the voter turnout will be good and we would get a real view of how our country wants to be governed. I encourage all people who do not vote to read what each party stands for and make your voice heard.
Erin
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Robert Brise
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Stuart
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We do not vote for a PM. We vote for a bunch of normal people who then form a government under a party banner. This proposed coalition, if anything, is MORE representative - MORE people voted for the MPs involved in the coalition, and a bipartite government has a better chance of representing MORE people.
Democracy in action! But when a government tries to censor its opponents, when a government tries to cancel legitimate sessions of government, when a government stifles the will of the people? THAT's undemocratic.
Nick in Gatineau
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He also intimated that he does not respect the rights of voters in Quebec who did vote for the Bloc, a known seperatist party - who have not advanced seperatist ideas in several years might I add.
He has made it quite clear that he does not recognize the seats of Quebec. A direct attack against the French.
I did not vote for a Seperatist representative.
It was a violation of my democratic right.
The Prime Minister has no right to place the House of Commons in such disrepute. He has no right to abuse my privilege by trying to dictate the reasoning behind my choice - a clear violation of constitutional law.
I want him to stand up in the House of Commons and apologize to all QUEBECCERS.
I want him to stand up outside the House of Commons and apologize to all QUEBECCERS.
If he does not, let the democratic cards fall where they may but make no bones about it: No Quebeccer will vote Conservative for a long time.
JS Westmount
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Perpetual coalition government?
Why is no-one worried about this?
Anthony Lococo
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George in Fredericton
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Get your facts straight. Martin was brought down and forced to go to the electorate with the conservative NDP and Bloc vote of non confidence.
And that is what should be happening now. NOT form a brand new government at the obvious displeasure of the electorate.
If the liberals and NDP don't like what we have , ASK the people to change it. Not take it on themselves to over ride the will of the people.
J.E. Armour
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Moe
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Roger T
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The recession hasn't taken full effect yet but once it does nothing will stop people from losing their prized possession "thier HOMES".
Buy now, cry later!
Dave
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Reece
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In my opinion, a coalition is probably the best thing for Canada - it won't be easy but this is only temporary and the teams will need to work together for a compromise. Wow, a compromise! If Harper would like to join in on the coalition he's more than welcome or he can stand aside as irrelevent.
The problem over the horizon for the conservatives is 2-fold. 1. the liberals will have the winnable leader - no Martin or Dion and after the liberal convention that leader will square off with the conservatives which brings up the 2nd problem: Harper. If Harper can't defeat Martin or Dion to attain a mandate (majority rule), then what will his fortunes be like at the next election?
Conservatives, find another leader if you wish to avoid yet another defeat. We Canadians mostly voted left. We ordered a pallatible dish from the menu, and if it's combo #3 we'll get then so be it. None of us wanted to have cake to start with anyway.
Robson
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CAC_Steve Ottawa
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The opposition parties have done their job and it is my understanding that they have achieved what they ostensibly claimed to want; the cutbacks in party funding and the restrictions on public service labour actions have been withdrawn and an economic stimulus package has been promised for January 27th. So if the opposition parties are truly motivated by serving the best interests of the Canadian people, let the government present it's economic stimulus and see if it addresses the needs of the Canadian people. If it does and it is evident that Harper has learnt from his mistake and is willing to function in a minority government situation, support it. If he is not then defeat it.
The solution is not to form a coalition government which essentially gives the casting vote to a party dedicated to seperating from Canada. I cannot believe that in their heart-of-hearts either the Liberals or the NDP believe this is what the majority of Canadians wanted when they cast their voteS in the last election. Sure from a legalistic standpoint you can do what you are doing, but from an ethical standpoint I think that what is being proposed is highly questionable.
What we needs here is leadership and humility as oppossed to power grabs and egos. So are our politicians up to being true leaders? Mr. Harper are you prepared to apologize to the Canadian people and commit to truely working in a minority government? Messrs Dion and Layton now that you have achieved what were ostensibly were your objections to the economic update are you prepared to work with the structure voted for in the last election?
Allan Kuan, Vancouver, British Columbia
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In the end, this is legal, the other parties combined have the majority, so let it be. Besides, who's idea was it to launch attack ads yet try to cut other parties' spending? And all in the midst of an economic crisis that deserves immediate attention? Stephen Harper was looking for trouble, and he got it.
carol S Castlegar
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M.P.
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As much as I hate to say it we Canadians are as much to blame....If you voted than you have every right to voice your concern....If you didn't than you know what you can do with your opinion!!!!
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David du Feu, Drummond North Elmsley
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GaryinWpg
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There the Tories had 125(?) seats, a weak minority, why didn’t the opposition form a coalition? Why wait till now?
In the current situation, all it would take is what ,12?, opposition MP’s (with some intestinal fortitude/sense of honour to country) to abstain or cross the floor, to scuttle the coalition. Before the election it would of taken what, some 30 MP’s ?
This coalition was hatched some time ago, it was just lying in waiting.
As for the coalition to say that the Tories are doing nothing for Canadians in this economic crisis, is a lark. Our largest trading partner is in between administrations and until Obama gets in, and reveals his plans, we just have to wait. For all we know he may be protectionist. Then what? But to spend 30 billion for the sake of spending in order to show Canadians that they, the coalition cares, is basically saying “Give us your money and we’ll make you happy.”
This is a blatant, desperate act of a power grab. There is no other way to put it. They had their chance before the election.
For those who say that the majority didn't vote for Harper seem to not realize that:
1. voter turn out was at it's lowest in the last election, so the phrase "majority of voting Canadians" is a more apt.
2. the majority of voting Canadians didn't vote for Layton, nor for Dion nor for Duceppe either. But since the three did not run as a single party the arguement "the majority of Canadians did not vote for Harper" is rather moot..
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Manny, Acton
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The PQ has been a Canadian reality for many years and voted with different parties at any given time, this I must say that the PQ has respected and abide by all Canadians and Parliamentary Laws which I can not say for the Neo-Conservative, they have not created this mess It was Harper and his buddies in unprecedented self-serving mini budget and out of revenge more than anything else. Its time to stand up and respect democracy if we let Harper and Company get away with this then, we will be under Dictatorship. When they already control most of the media and they keep on feeding us with misinformation.
I vote for democracy I vote for the Majority to rule and at this time happen to be the Coalition.
I cannot see how the GG can reject the majority elected parliament from forming a coalition before the Christmas break, It will happen sooner than latter and is better for Canada that is sooner.
Christophen V. R.
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See the difference?
Mario - Rockland
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Susan
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Vito in Montreal
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Bottom line is with a 60% voter turnout across the country the 1 clear message is that Canadians have no confidence in any of the leaders/parties.
The U.S. elections had 80% turnout understandably so as history was being made.
I say dump all the leaders and find better options. I cannot believe that there is no one out there who can truly rally the canadian people including the 60% of Quebec voters who do not vote for the Bloc Quebecois.
Happy Holidays all
Ian
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It was alright for Harper to attempt the same thing is 2004 and the masses did not rise up. To me the masses that are rising now are driven on by the Tories. I do hope the party is paying for all the advertising that they are putting forth to defend democracy and not my tax dollars.
Oh by the way if Harper and his Government truly want to defend Canadian democratic principles, please put on a uniform
Bill Rutledge
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Terry
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I do believe the media needs to be doing more to educate (in a non-partisan way) the Canadians in our parliamentary system. This is not only democratic but is a foundational check in balance in our consitution.
J.C.
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Oh and for those that may think I am from the west, I am not. I am from Ontario.
Wake up people.
David Thompson
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CANADA GOVERNED BY BLOC SEPERATISTS.
The agreemnent of the 3-Amigos hands over the control of the Canadian Government to the Bloc Seperatists. The have really only agreed to not vote against the government on critical, confidence bills. They can manitain they and in accord with the agreement signed but simply threatenind to abstain from voting or to all acquire the plague so they cannot turn up to vote - this would ensure the failure of the Coalition - back to an election. With this threat available to them they will assure that they get everthing they need irrespactive of its impact on the rest of Canada. So we have Duceppe the puppetier pulling the strings of the two dummies (Dion and Layton- so who really governs Canada, the Separatists of course. Canadiand should be aware of this.
Greg - Oshawa
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Janet
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Hanley
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This current government is not my government. I did not elect it, and would have preferred different results from the last election. Even Harper called this election for change.
This current government does not make any promises in their proposal. In fact, they will be stripping certain targetted areas, specifically women and public servants. Maybe people in these groups don't care, but I am a woman and I do care.
Proroguing government will only give the New Coalition more time to build and firm their plan. I see it as advantageous for them. Nothing will happen in Parliament. though. No real work or decisions wil get done.
Is this really what you elected? A do-nothing group of self serving tools who think nothing of riding around in parades in BMWs?
Jim Dunbar
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Less than 60% of eligible voters casted a ballot in the election six weeks ago. Many of those who did not vote felt that their votes would not matter. Maybe this is the wake up call people in Canada need to understand that their votes do matter.
Considering the Angus/Reid poll that came out yesterday shows that over 60% of Canadians do not want Dion as PM, even though there is some support for the coalition, I hope to see people voicing their disapproval of Dion's actions. Although the coalition claims they have the support of over 60% of the nation, those that voted Liberal may not agree with working so closely with the separatist BQ party. Likewise, those that voted NDP because of the carbon tax policy of Dion may not want their party aligned with the Liberals. Many supporters of the BQ would never put their support behind the Liberal party, especially considering adscam. Although this coalition says they have the support of over 60% of the voters, those that voted do not necessarily want their party in a coalition. The right thing to do is go back to the polls, run on a coalition campaign and see what Canadians truly want.
NL in Ontario
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Conservatives should at least learn the basic Parliamentary Electoral System. This is not something new! We have been practicing this forever. Conservative MP’s do not have the majority of seats in the House of Common. Stop pretending that you do. Your party leader, Mr. Harper does not have the support of majority of MP’s in Parliament. So stop acting like you do. Your mandate was to form a Minority government. You failed. So let other capable men and women do it!
Please stop spreading the hates and the lies. Stop spinning things around! Mr. Harper used this legal tactic against Mr. Paul Martin in 2004. It should be named the Steve Harper's Move! Why it is ok for him to do it and not Mr. Dion? Is it only available for King Harper? This is not Russia. It is called democracy. Lol
I suspect that there are a lot Republicans from our friendly neighbor from the South on this Board. Just read the comments on here! You are welcome on here too! But I have to remind you that we are not Americans. We have universal health care! That’s right! We do not have a Presidential Election System in Canada. You can wait for your turn to vote for Sarah Palin in 2012.
God Bless All!
Emilie
said
- for those who say it is anti-democratic : remember that both parties forming the coalition received 44.45% of the vote last election ( 54.43% if you consider the Bloc ) compared to 37.65% for the Conservatives. It's a shame we do not have PR.
- For those supporters of Harper : He is playing a political game. He called for it. He was planning on diminishing other parties' funding. He was indirectly going to run the other parties bankrupt. So, one party still standing : that's a lot more democratic! When you play with fire, you get burnt.
- Support from the Bloc? The Bloc is not only a matter of separatism. As it is, the Bloc is more of a voice representing Quebec. As was the Reform Party ( or Canadian Alliance, new name, practically no changes in platform ) to Western Canada and, if I remember correctly, none other than Stephen Harper was their leader. Quebec separatists are quiet right now : if you really want to get them on the rise again, you're doing a good job by calling Quebec a parasite on Conservative blogs. Way to go.
Lou Ottawa
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I voted for a Conservative member of Parliament, not a coalition of losers who can only obtain power by highjacking the current Government. Hopefully, the GG does prorogue Parliament or better yet call for an election. If the government is porogued, this so-called coalition will have time to destroy itself. There are members in the coalition who are now having second thoughts about it.
MarcL
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Our constitution was written to allow the potential of a coalition government to exist. In the event that the house of commons loses faith in the government, and then the Governer General dissolves parliment. However this has happened RIGHT after an election, so the GG might decide that it's too soon for another election.
What people seem to forget is that the Conservatives were elected with a minority, with only 36-37% of the popular vote. While the combined vote of the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc is somewhere in the 60% range. If anything, when these parties come together, they form a higher percentage, which MAY better reflect the views of Canadians.
So this coalition business is not treason, or undemocratic. We didn't vote for Stephen Harper to be PM, we vote for a local representative to sit in the house. Those representatives will NOT change, the only difference will be who proposes the potential bills in the house. Democracy still prevails, since it will still require over 50% of the house to pass legislation.
The only difference is that the Liberals/NDP will get a kick at the can for a while... the Bloc will still vote freely on actual legislation (they're only giving them a free pass on throne speeches and such).
I don't like the proposed ideas this coalition has (even being a liberal supporter), but I absolutely HATE people saying that this is undemocratic/treason. The clause for coalition was put there for a reason (even Harper tried this 4 years ago).
And yes, the Bloc are seperatists, but they were LEGALLY and DEMOCRATICALLY elected by the people of Quebec, and as such, have EVERY right to influence the vote, for better or for worse, so stop your whining!
Bill Becker
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Andy
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We're not in a presidential system where we vote for a representative and a president.
The party with the mosts seats generally forms the government with its leader (that also elected as a member of Parliament representing a certain riding in the country) becomes Prime Minister.
On top of this, for the House of Commons to continue to work it has to have the confidence of a majority of memebers. Now, this does not cause any problems in the case of a majority governement. However, in this case, the minority government has to have the confidence of the House to continue governing.
And it does not!
Therefore, the governement cannot continue going on this way. The Prime Minister generally has to go see the Governor General and ask for the House to be dissolved.
However, elections were held barely 2 months ago, and the majority opposition (that represents 54% of the Canadian population (62% if we include voters who voted for a party not represented in the House)has said that they are ready to put their differences aside for the better interests of this country.
I must remind everyone. Stephen Harper never got a majority governement and decided to act like it thinking the opposition would swallow anything. He only got 38% of the vote, meaning 62% voted against him. Some people are saying that a coalition governement would steal their vote, but, facts verified, not having this coalition governement would be throwing 62% of the population's vote in the garbage after stealing it.
The Conservative Party is the only right-of-center party and its message did not echo through a majority of the Canadian population.
Respect the majority. Majority rules.
Paul
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Stop talking down to us. We know this is within the constitution. What we can't accept is a government entirely beholden to the bloc quebecois, with no mandate from the Canadian people.
The coalition has not received a mandate and has not had its policies approved by the Canadian people. During the election, Dion pledged that there would be no coalition. It is totally undemocratic in spirit.
They must face the Canadian people and receive a mandate from them. Otherwise, even if it's legal, this would be an undemocratic and illegitimate government.
Donald Partridge
said
Have we decended to the depths of a third world country?
Edb
said
The crown abandoned us long ago, the GG position is a sham.
"we owe allegiance to no crown"
Republic now!
Len from Calgary
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Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
Steven C Wick
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As a citizen, taxpayer, and voter, I think it is a mockery of our Parliamentary system that you would consider a potential coalition of minority parties that include the PQ separatist party. Anything other than calling a new election if a non-confidence vote is passed, sends a message of anarchy to other countries and foreign investors. Indeed, the inclusion of the PQ by the Liberals and NDP of a separatist party in a coalition is treasonous ( "A crime against the government of a country. When citizens of a country try to set up their own government and get rid of the government in power, they are often charged with treason" or "The crime of violence or treachery directed against the Sovereign or the State. Even to plan such a crime is treason. The penalty for treason is death, which used to be inflicted with horrible barbarity. Burning for treason was abolished in 1790; drawing, quartering, and beheading in 1870")
If the Conservative Government loses a confidence vote, I implore you to stand up for democracy and call for a new election
GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
Cory - Toronto
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It is also just as legal and in the Constitution to prorogue. There is a complete discretion of the PM, and the GG must go along with it. No complaining now! Look it up!
Caroline Novak
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Bill in Nanaimo
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Contrary to much of what we’re hearing, this IS a legitimate part of our parliamentary democracy and it was intended to be this way. A party must have the confidence of the house to govern. If you can't win a majority in an election then you have to work with the other parties. Either you get support ‘motion to motion’ or you form a coalition.
If there is no group that can secure the confidence of the house (i.e. include or be backed by a majority and can govern) then government will be dissolved and an election will be called. If there is a group willing and able to take over with such a majority then they will form government.
Ray from the East
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Nick T, Ottawa
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Hate to tell you this, even LESS people voted for Dion, and even LESS THAN THAT voted for Layton. The two parties combined have LESS seats than the conservatives do, so how does this coalition make sense? You still have fewer people represented.
Call an election! Get us to the polls again and let Canadians speak once again for what WE want! And to my fellow Canadians: GET OUT AND VOTE!
PS - I left the bloc out of this, since they are a self-serving seperatist movement that in the end has no real interest in helping the country.
Tom Hawley
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No, I do not believe Harper is the reason for the global crisis we find ourselves in.At this point I do not know if Dion is the right person to lead our country.
As for people worried about the Bloc ,I say take a deep breath.Gilles Duceppe is a very effective leader.He does what is in the best interest of Quebec.Yet he knows he needs to work with all of Canada.Good for him.I am of the thinking as we all do at times say one thing to achieve another.I am guessing he does not want to leave Canada any more than I do.
Back to the coalition.
Why not give support to this?Harper tried to sufficate the other parties through a political ploy.Nothing more nothing less.During the election he lead/wanted Canadians to believe that we were in better shape financially than we are.Harper in doing so accused other parties of fear mongering the electorate.
So I ask ,who was closer to the truth about Canada's situation?If Harper did not know,that is reason to be nervous.
We just had an election to the tune of $300 plus million.An election that Harper was trying to be advantageous .Yes ,this has been done in the past.This election also called by Harper himself.The opposition did not bring him down.
He had the support albeit shaky.This time he does not.But he wants to retain power.I am confused.
The GG has some options before her.I am hoping she gives the coalition the opportunity to govern.
It will be of one of two things.
When the 18 months or longer comes and goes we the electorate will decide if this was a good move for our country or if it was bad.
Just because most of us never seen a coalition does not make it wrong or undemocratic.
Relax we will be fine.
After all it is Canada.
Gene in Montreal
said
And to reiterate a point that's been made here more than once: more people of Canada are represented by the members of the coalition than by Mr. Harper and his party.
I fully support the Coalition.
Shawn in Halifax
said
I didn't see any of the leaders on my ballot, therefore I voted for the MP I thought would best represent my constituency. This is not the United States and we elect parliaments here and the coalition is well within their rights to remove Harper from office, as he has lost the confidence of the House of Commons. So to call this "undemocratic" is a lie. In fact, I find this coalition move to be profoundly democratic and should move forward on Monday December 8th.
Carolin in Ontario
said
There needs to be some better control over spending by the government. There's alot of things they wouldn't get away with (spending) if they worked somewhere else.
Eric
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Roger in St. John's
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CLB , ottawa
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Gord
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Joe from Halifax
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The current Conservative Government is 11 seats shy of a majority, and have often curried the favour of the BQ to pass their legislation. In fact in the recent past they have proposed an alliance of their own with the BQ.
Also in the past, haven't the Progressive Conservatives and the Reform Party formed a coalition and an eventual merger into the Conservative Party?
The arguments of the pro-Harper faction are baseless. Our current Parliament consists of a majority of duly elected Members opposed to the minority government. There is no need for another election - the results are in, and the majority of Canadians - exemplified by electing non-Conservative MP's - do not support the minority government.
Jon in London
said
Therefore you will have an UNELECTED coalition running this country for 3 years!
Believe that they will keep this running for that long. They will.
See you at the polls in 2012!
Neil
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Keep It Real
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Jake Smith
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Sherry
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Tom from Ottawa
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Chretien had small voter percentages and he had majority governments.
There is no way, I want this coalition throwing away billions of tax dollars. They do not have a plan other than to write cheques. That achieves nothing.
I would rather have another election or prorogue Parliament. This "coalition" is nothing but a soon to be disaster from start to finish.
Christa Chivers
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Stephen
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If they get their coalition to form and get Ms. Jean to support it I will be looking for a revolution. I am fed up. We just had an election and the Conservatives where elected - fair and square -. The Liberals lost and so did the NDP. I don't know why the Bloc is allowed to participate but they do.
This is a sad time to be Canadian. Staphane Dion and Jack Layton, you have made me feel sad about our future again.
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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Darrell
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James-Eh!
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This is exactly the way the Westmintsr form of democracy works. Its designed so we don't have to go the polls ever 2 months because a minority government won't co-operate with the opposition.
Joseph
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Vaino Lund
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""A representative of all that is august, stable, and sedate in the country; incapable of partisanship, and lifted far above the atmosphere of fraction, without adherents to reward or opponents to oust from office; docile to the suggestions of his Ministers, and yet securing to the people the certainty of being able to get rid of an Administration of Parliament the moment either has forfeited their confidence."
that says it all: Harper has lost the confidence, the choice is clear.
MW in Thunder Bay
said
I have several problems with the NDP/Liberal/Bloc coalition. First, when the NDP hinted at wanting a coalition with the Liberals during the election, the Liberals flatly refused and stated that they would not enter a coalition with the NDP. Also, neither the NDP nor the Liberals ran on a platform of handing over significant government powers to Quebec sovereigntists. Had Jack Layton and Stephane Dion proposed this, I think they would have been severely punished at the polls.
While it's true that a majority of Canadians did not vote Conservative, it's also true that Canadians did elect a minority Conservative government and did hand Stephen Harper a stronger mandate than in the previous election. Also, most majority governments in Canada's history were elected with a minority of the popular vote.
There is nothing technically illegal about this coalition. However, I think it is disgraceful, unpatriotic, reckless, shameful and borderline evil of Jack Layton and Stephane Dion to have the country essentially be governed by people who want to destroy it.
Every opinion poll I saw or heard about today was soundly (at least 2/3 to 1/3) opposed to the coalition. I think that if Layton and Dion really think that Canadians want sovereigntists in government and a minimum $30 billion annual deficit, then they should allow Canadians to actually vote on that platform.
Also, Dion now wants to appoint Elizabeth May to the Senate. Tell me that doesn't stink to high heaven!
There is no denying that business in Canada has slowed down, due to global (not homemade) problems. But if southern Ontario and parts of Quebec are taken out of the equation, the country is far from a recession. Do we really need $30 billion in new annual debt as a "stimulus"? Harper has already fast tracked $50 billion in infrastructure money which had been set aside and does not need to be borrowed. Let's have that money put to work, along with further tax cuts.
I've also already written to Michael Jean about this. Unfortunately, I think she'll allow this coalition to go ahead, rather than calling an election. After all, she was appointed by a Liberal PM and is married to a former FLQ member. Enough said?
Darrell
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Al
said
Our GG should summon our PM Harper to a meeting and prorgue parliment on the condition Harper resigns as leader, the Conservative caucus appoint a temp leader and come back in Jan. with a medium stimulus budget all parties can afford and support. If defeated then call another election after a cooling down for everyone.
Our GG cannot grant the BQ seperatist party control of the goverment body as it would contradict her role as GG. BQ is a seperatist party against Canadian interest right!
Shame on Mr. Harper for getting Canada into this mess and who has to go! The solution is not to give Canada's leadership to the BQ seperatists as we would then by default join the seperatist party
T Sanders
said
Remember, this coalition "claims" they have lost confidence because there's no stimulus package. What a joke. Nobody's buying that lie. This was planned even before the last election. It's pure greed for power, nothing more.
Jon in London
said
Today I look at the pools and they say that 40% favour the coalition.
Let the media work it for a while and I bet by next Monday the polls will say 70% of Canada is in favour of the coalition.
Anyone willing to comment?
James from NB
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Ann, Whitby
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Denis T.
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Dave
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Pete / Ottawa
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Sam Ottawa
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Middilay
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James
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Harper attempted to do the exact same thing to bring Paul Martin and his liberal government down when they first took power.
Harper and the conservatives complain and try to act innnocent when the other opposition parties attempt to do something they don't like.. Isn't that calling the kettle black?
Now they wanted to cut the money to parties to save the TAXPAYERS money, yet they're launching ATTACK ADS.. where does that money come from? Aren't we the taxpayers paying for these ads? Again to me that contradicts them trying to save us money.
If our voting process was set up the way the American system was, HARPER would NOT be in power right now
I'm not a fan of Stephane Dion at all but I wish him the best of luck.
Anyone is BETTER than Harper!
Wanda in Sudbury
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Rob Helwig London
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Brian Appel
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Their unwillingness and inability to address the crisis has culminated in the opposition parties’ decision to form a coalition government and, with over 62% of the Canadian peoples' vote behind them, they represent the democratic will of this country. They chose to put partisan politics aside and work with the other parties to create a plan that will put our economy and Canadians first.
Canadians don’t want another election and this Coalition for Change is ready and united in its efforts to put the interests of Canadians first, and will work toward the introduction of the economic plan that Canada needs.
Dennis Cockerill
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James-Eh!
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You vote for an MP, that's it. As a by-product, if a party gets a majority MPs, the government is obvious and that has been the norm.
Now we're finding out what happens in a minoriity situation. And its not what you expected! The party with most seats has to have the confidence of the house. If it doesn't, the other parties can get together, form a coalition and form government. Its all down to having the support of 50%+1 of the MPs.
SteveR
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J Spratt
said
Why doesn't he work with the other political parties to get a compromise.
Oh ya his ol'reform roots are showing in his bitter partisan attacks on the opposition.
Bye Bye Steve-o
Majority rules
Peter in Speers, Saskatchewan
said
And hey, a $300 million stimulus (much of which goes to ordinary Canadians who sit at the polls on election day) is far better than a $30 billion gift to the large corporations and unions.
Karl from GTA
said
If he wants to remain PM, he had better try to work with the Loyal Opposition instead of trying to antagonize them.
For all those CONS who have been flooding these public forums, remember that Steve also tried to form a coalition with the NDB and Bloc 4 years ago against Paul Martin's minority government. So you can put a halt to your comments of the current coalition "grabbing power" from the current government.
Wayne
said
If Stephen Harper has any leadership left in him, he will bring his party to the House on Dec 8 and let the House determine his fate. To run from it by proroguing Parliament shows a trait that, I feel, is the opposite of leadership.
The coalition then has every right to form the government and opperate as a properly elected Government of Canada - regardless of what the Conservative attack ads are saying.
I voted Conservative for the last 20 years, so this is not sour grapes on my part. The PM's childish actions in these past few day have shown me his true colours and that he is unfit to lead this great country.
David in Toronto
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Michael in Ottawa
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I agree that she is perhaps not the ideal Governor General for a situation like this, but the office is always greater than the person in it.
What is disturbing to me now is the scorched earth policy people on both sides of this issue are employing, effectively undercutting all the institutions of Government.
In the case of the Governor General, she is in a lose-lose situation. If she prorogues or dissolves Parliament as is her constitutional right in a situation like this, everyone supporting the coalition will undermine the Office of the Governor General. If she doesn't do as the PM ask her, as is again her right under the constitution in situations like this, the Conservatives will let loose on her like rabid dogs on a bone.
This is an awful situation and the only people to blame are the politicians -- not the Governor General. Although she will probably be a convenient scapegoat for many of them and their followers
Steve B.
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Jim Nicholson
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J L C Halifax
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Remember what we have here: An ideological right wing government that believes only in free market forces. -Crown Corporations privatized, Decentralization and subsequent weakening of the Federal Government, Ignorance and/or disregard of the Environment, and movement towards more undesirable elements of Free Trade, SPP, NAU and globalization that will hurt our way of life.
The Coalition is certainly an unusual entity; and ten years ago even such a concept would have been absolutely unimaginable.
BOTTOM LINE: These are unusual times. We need a government more in touch with the reality on the ground. I'm not scared of giving the coalition 18 months to try to keep the economy moving, and to address those things on the National Agenda that the Conservatives simply are not. Period.
I am not employed, nor affiliated with any political party. I'm a Carpenter who supports more spending on infrastructure, and a common sense restructuring of our financial system.
JJ in Ottawa
said
THE LAST ELECTION did not elect Harper as PM. If that is what you believe, then re-read the constitution. This "configuration" as maritimer has called it is exactly what Canada voted for. By not providing a majority to any parties who ran the last election, the Canadian people asked for what can be defined as a responsible minority government.
since the word responsible is not in Harper's dictionary, you have the results that we, as Canadian voters, have made possible via our ballots last election.
So, Harper did not play well in the sandbox and get booted out of the box by the other kids. You dare say that is not Canadian?
Harper can to play in Crawford Tx. where Dubia Bush will be spending a lot of time now....and Canada will get along just fine.
May you live in interesting times....say the chinease....
Matt
said
I did want a Conservative minority government, and I like many others were happy to see that result.
Now we see what that means, I've changed my mind and want a Conservative majority.
Of all the issue they had, many more important, in the last government when the "coalition" would have had more seats they didn't do this.
Now they threaten to stop handouts, and they're ready to try this crazy plan?
That's just not right.
Sylvain
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Steve
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Paul
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This coalition must seek a mandate from the Canadian people, and have its platform approved by them. The coalition and its policies were not presented to Canadians during the election, and will have no legitimacy until this is done.
Rob
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bgsig from SE Ontario
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Darlene in Halifax
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sable
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Ping Low
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The three cronies are an embarassment to this country and it just shows how low a politician will go in selling their soul to the separatists in order to usurp power from the obviously moronic autocratic behavior of Harper who en-acted new and controversial policy like he had a majority. Et tu Stephen. All the leaders should resign and let's get a clean slate of politicians who want to help Canadians during this time of economic crisis rather than themselves. Shame on you all.
Ping
Ottawa
Ron from NS
said
If you want someone to blame, blame Harper for focusing on destroying the opposition parties and not building this country called Canada. Harper was elected saying that he would change the tone in the house of commons. The problem is that no one thought he would try to make it worse. His actions are that of a leader of a third world country. He is trying to take majority power of Canada by using every means of destroying the opposition. Does he not believe that he should focus on policies that Canadians want that would get him his majority instead of attacking the opposition by partisan means?
Harper needs to go as this is situation is entirely on his shoulders.
dave
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Mike
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Allan
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Maya Angelou has said when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Harper has shown himself more interested in crushing people and clinging to power. Whatever I thought of him before I cannot support his mean-spirited, spiteful actions. He is supposed to the Prime Minister of all Canadians, but has shown himself to be interested in only a few. And those don't include civil servants, women or anyone who might question his actions.
It is time to remember that he represents a MINORITY of voters. Time to let those who represent the MAJORITY take the lead. The Tories have shown no leadership. They are a major disappointment.
Mikel in CKE
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Amanda, Kingston ON
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John R - Ontario
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A coalition of national parties is one thing, a coalition where the balance of power resides with a party with the interest of one province only is a BIG problem.
Doug
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Cliff Scott
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Blake
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You're the Prime Minister.
You goof up so bad you have to drum up armies of protestors to advertise blind support for your plot to circumvent the rules of parliament.
Remember: You're the sitting Prime Minister while all of this is going on. How ridiculous is that?
Why couldn't he just be reasonable?
Alan Stanley
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John
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Andre
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vince in trenton
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Paul in SJ
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I find it truly disturbing that our national government would be held hostage by the Bloc. By giving them a veto, that is exactly what Dion and Layton are doing.
Are the conservatives blameless? No.I think they have severely mis-managed this crisis. At the same time I do not see the need for an immediate stimulus package. We should wait and coordinate efforts to stabalize North American markets with the new Obama administration in January.
Here is hoping that common sense helps guide the GG's actionsin the days ahead.
Maritimer
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Jeff From the Stock
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Steven Harper shouldnt even be in a situation where he can win the job of Prime Minister and weeks later the group of losers can overtake that position??
What country do we live in?? this sounds more and more like Third World country..
Perhaps after this foolish move on the part of the Coalition our economy will react to this and sooner than later we will be a third world country..
Way to go Gilles, Stephane and Jack...you all should be very ashamed of yourselves..