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Date: Wed. Jul. 9 2008 3:09 PM ET
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has left the G8 meetings in Japan heralding a declaration from the leaders of the world's industrialized nations to halve greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
However, Harper also said in an afternoon news conference that developing countries would need to make some serious changes in order to help lower the level of greenhouse gas emissions in the air.
"By 2050, the developed world will probably represent no more than 20 per cent of emissions," he told reporters on Wednesday. "So, when we say we need participation by developing countries, this is not a philosophical position. This is a mathematical certainty.
"You can't get a 50 per cent cut from 20 per cent of emissions."
However, the G8 declaration leaves it up to individual countries to make their own emissions cuts.
The call to lower emissions got a significant boost when both Russia and the U.S. decided to endorse the long-term plan at the summit.
The hope was to find a consensus between emerging and leading countries over how to lower the harmful emissions. However, developing countries recoiled from the numerical targets set by the G8 leaders.
India, China, Mexico, Brazil and South Africa -who now call themselves the G5 - have all rejected the idea that they have a shared responsibility in reducing emissions by 50 per cent.
The G5 issued a statement urging G8 leaders to take more action.
"It is essential that developed countries take the lead in achieving ambitious and absolute greenhouse gas emissions reductions," the statement read.
However, Harper told reporters developing countries can help the cause by slowing the rate by which their emissions grow. He said they wouldn't necessarily have to cut down on their carbon output.
The American environment adviser to U.S. President George Bush told The Canadian Press that the G5 were being cautious.
"They want to be sure they can take steps that won't wreck their economy," said James Connaughton in an interview from Toyako, Japan. "We are not in complete convergence yet."
On Thursday, G8 members will be meeting with leaders from the emerging industrialized nations of South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, India and China.
Harper said real progress won't occur until those developing nations also pledge to cutting emissions -- a commitment he will likely be pushing on Thursday.
He pointed out that developing countries are most at risk from the effects of climate change and their contribution to global greenhouse emissions is growing rapidly with the expansion of their economies and populations.
Environmental critics were quick to shrug off the advancement, saying specific short-term and long-term targets need to be put in place before real change can happen.
Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of international agency Oxfam, said in a news release that the summit "did not deliver the breakthroughs so urgently needed."
"The consensus reached was at best shallow, especially on climate," he continued.
Stephane Dion, Canada's opposition leader, called the G8 leaders' declaration "a watered-down agreement" and said Harper "failed" Canadians by leading the climate change talks into the wrong direction.
"How will we get China and India to join the international fight against climate change if countries like Canada don't lead by example?" he said in a news release.
Antonio Hill, also of Oxfam, denounced the announcement as a stalling tactic.
"At this rate, by 2050 the world will be cooked and the G8 leaders will be long forgotten," he said.
The environment isn't the only pressing issue for G8 leaders. A debate over the world's weakening economy which has been depressed by soaring oil prices, food inflation and a credit crunch, will also take up much of the leaders' time.
This week the G8 leaders urged oil-rich countries to boost production to bring down the prices. They also urged countries that depend heavily on oil to improve their energy efficiency and to find alternate sources of fuel for the future.
With a report from The Canadian Press
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akeem
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Jimbo Jones
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1.)Canada contributes approx 2.5% of global GHG emissions
2.)Under the most ambitious plans our contribution will drop to approx 1.7%. That number could be smaller but only b/c the rate of GHG emissions coming from the third world are increasing.
3.) China is now the world’s largest emitter at 24% of global GHG – and climbing.
4.) A new coal fired plant is slated to open weekly in China for the foreseeable future. This will take their emissions GROWTH over the next ten year and make them larger than Canada’s total emissions. That is right folks Their increase will be greater than ou total.
5.)The much ballyhooed Kyoto Protocal is an economic agreement under which Global GHG are guaranteed to rise. It just allows the third world to continue to emit at no cost while we pay for our carbon use. The EU cleverly used data from 1990 to allow them great benefits under the protocol. That is why the US opted out and we never got serious about reaching 1990 targets.
Stop the rhetoric and look at the facts. The discussion can at least be one that provides info to people instead of slagging this person or that.
I want to stop global warming. I am a father and want my children and grand children to grow up in a healthy environment. But to think that Canada alone is going to make an ounce of difference on this alone is fool hardy.
The silliness that is Dion’s tax shift (code for 1970’s tax and spend liberalism) is a classic Liberal strategy of appealing to a large tent of people (name a group that is not getting a ‘tax break’ is his plan). It is 42 pages of dribble that no one in Canada should fall for. Read it and decide for yourself. I did.
We need global leadership on this to make a difference. Harper gets this.
Annette
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alfred napper
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my take on this
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Joel
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Climate Scientist
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HadCRUT3, UAH and RSS datasets are some of the official ones, which track the mean global temperature of the earth.
These datasets are openly available to the public online and free to use. Just Google them or check out the website, Watts Up With That.
Mean global temperature peaked in 1998, flatlined since 2001 and in the past year has decreased. Yet, atmospheric CO2 levels have increased.
It seems that at least for the most recent 11 years, increasing CO2 is not tracking with temperature. CO2 has not overwhelmed natural processes during this period.
I would encourage everyone to read the study published in the journal Nature by Keenlyside et al. on May 1, 2008. Manmade global warming has been halted until 2015 due to natural variations in the world's climate, which will offset any possible anthropogenic warming.
The Earth's climate is expected to cool for the next decade not warm.
AGW is a dead theory.
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The routine sounds like this "We'll sit down and do next to nothing about all the toxins we're putting into our climate, wait for the 3rd world and then, in 2050 say 'OK, we're only making 20% of this mess.' We're heros!"
Tee hee. God, I'm doing alot of laughing today.
robert from edmonton
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Boy who did Not cry wolf
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DECREASING POLLUTION IS GOOD ... but let's be HONEST about it, rather than trying to hoodwink people into some FLAWED CO2-based "rationale".
Researchers STILL canNOT properly account for:
1) the Sun.
2) Clouds.
... and who on Earth would think the Sun & Clouds have anything to do with climate?
Fellow environmentalists: Dare to see nature through something other than CO2 lenses.
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'By 2050 the developed world will probably represent no more than 20 per cent of emissions. So when we say we need the participation of developing countries this is not a philosophical argument this is a mathematical certainty,' Harper said.
He added: 'In the developing world we may not be talking about cuts...we may be talking about slowing the growth in emissions.'"
Excellent wise choice of words from our Prime Minister. Now, did everyone read BETWEEN the lines?...sadly, probably not.
I, too, just cannot wait for the Beijing Olympics so that the world will see the poor athletes dealing with Chinese pollution, as if there isn't already enough stories about it lately.
Stand up for Canada!
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Imagine how you would feel if you stand in middle of it and all you see is destoryed land.
That is upsetting that we act as if it is ok but once it is done and we will regret it as Chinense does.
They destoryed a whole city for a dam and we dont think that is ok so i think same goes for our Tar Sand.
Climate change or not - our dirty habit need to be stopped in few years rather in 50 years.
Better world - we can create it by starting now before it is too late.
Ted in Ottawa
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The UN wants everyone on earth to enjoy the same standard of living no matter how good or bad it is. This is a way of creating a single world government that will do everyone in.
Mike Webster
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GW
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Make no mistake, in our democratic systems the economy rules and only an actual disaster and not just the threat of one is going to change this priority. One day the world may be run by a world government dictatorship that can just force everyone to make changes but for now economic stability and growth rules.
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Larry
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It has taken industrialized countries over 150 years to put green house gases into our atmosphere and they did it with such ease. To reverse this will not be as easy. It will not happen over night as many liberal party members are calling on the conservatives to do.
Our present civilization has been built on these carbon gases.
Mr. Harper leadership has made it possible to have all G8 nations in agreement. The liberals never even had a plan on paper that would help clean the environment and at the same time save the human race.
We are at at a time when we have to take three steps back and look where we are headed. If we are to survive another three generation then we must find an alternative to oil. And I'm sure that there is the technologies out there to do just that, but all governments have to work together as well as all nations.
Your doing a better job than those before you Mr. Harper.
Paul in BC
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We're tired of the same old Conservative marketing spin pretending they are taking action on the environment. Their basic assumption is the electorate is ignorant and will buy into their spin, sorry we are a little brighter than you think.
They have no right to lecture the developing world when they show no action themselves.
Rick in N.B.
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of the world feed us. G8 = Propaganda for the masses. If its broke fix it, simple !
Doug BC
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We're 30 million people here.Russia and the USA are 600 million people.Getting them on board will have more of an impact than shutting Canada down entirely.But even that will have minimal effect if the 2.5 billion people in Asia don't come on board.
Developing nations or not,the GHG's and pollutants are not restrained by borders.
If we have to raise money to pay for this change,simply add big duties to products we import from countries like China and Mexico or any other country that doesn't do it's share.
China has enough money for a massive military expansion and a space program.It's time for their excuses to be put top rest.
And finally,those who think 2050 is to long to wait are going to be disappointed no matter what deal is signed.It IS GOING TO TAKE DECADES to do this no matter who governs any of this planet.
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There is absolutely no proof that greenhouse gas emissions are responsible for global warming.
I support moving our economy away from fossil fuels for practical reasons : the stuff is running out. The price change alone will accomplish that.
Carbon taxes, banning cars, etc. is all just the sound of mooing from the herd, as it is being rounded up.
People should read more, and believe less.
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John
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And who is responsible for 100% of the current state of the world? The developed world.
Sure China and other Asian nations produce tonnes of toxins on our behalf, but we are the ones benefiting from consumption of 'cheap and plentiful' imports.
Of course the developing world is looking to us for leadership and initiative. We did not hesitate when it came to polluting our precious and only planet, and now Harper has the nerve to put the onus on the third world for the cleanup.
Sheesh! Talk about blaming the victims. Harper says those doing nothing should refrain from criticism. Well, he should heed his own advice.
As a Canadian I am offended and embarrassed by Harper's shameless arrogance.
Brent Ewasiuk in Nagoya, Japan
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Developing nations need to help. They have no factory emission standards, they cook on open fires, drive vehicles that would be taken off the roads in North America or Europe.
They need technology to help improve their emissions.
Yes Canadian can improve but we have been making an effort for over 50 years with auto emissions and air quality programs.
Terry
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Get real people, Canada contributes 2% to global greenhous gasses.
If we turned the taps off tomorrow and froze in the dark, we'd have as much impact as the proverbial spit in the ocean!
Whining about what we did 100 years ago accomplishes nothing.
If India and China make no attempt to control their frenzied expansion of crude consumption, we all fry!
Go to Beijing after they've rationed car use for the olympics and see if you can breathe without chewing your air first!
Harper's got it exactly right.
Al from Calgary
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How much is this is for the enviroment and how much is anti Bush. If Bush was to cur US emissions by 75% per cent and Harper followed suit they would all be screaming at him for being Bush light and ruining our economy by following the US. These politions also have children & grandchildren and saying they don't care because they won't be around in 42 years is just like saying the enviromentlists don't care what kind of economy they leave in 42 yrs because they won't be around. Also when the Gore's & Suzuikis of the world start walking the talk then maybe I might believe a fraction of what they say, I'm sure if its as catastrophic as they say they would have moved out of their mansions and into some small innner city highrise to cut back on their emissions, its a hoax, they know it and are lioning their pockets. If its as bad as they say we should cut immigration immediately as every new resident produces ghg. then what would all these libs say, that their emissions are miniscule just like Canada's and we can't stop immigration. One last thing if Harper brought in this GST2 tax they would all be screaming that it does nothing to cut emissions and would just hurt the poor and elderly but since its the libs its the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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John G
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The ones who created this problem of greenhouse gases should bare the brunt of the emmission cuts (ie, the developed countries). We created the beast that will evenually consume us all, so we need to wake up and put the future of our child far, far, far ahead of our pocketbook and polictical posturing. This is one issue that can't wait fifty years to correct. It's time for the G8 to show real leadership instead of photo opportunities and sound bites.
Trent
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People use your heads and think about these things, without full participation, global pollution rates will not be reduced because of one country reducing their carbon footprint!
Cold in Canada
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The earth is cooling, last year alone .75 degrees. Warming has not happened for 5 years.
AND CO2 has absolutely nothing to do with our warming.
Some times it takes more courage to do nothing!!
When you drop a wheel off the side of the pavement, do yopu jerk the wheel??
Mike From Ottawa
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David From Ontario
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Greg from Kitchener
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Ahmed (Ottawa)
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Harper is a leader in the global environmental push, Dion however is just a wannabe Buzz Lightyear space cadet.
David in Que.
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Roger T
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No more thug tactics please (and thank-you)
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Acroyear
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Find a way for big business, ANY big business, to make money on environmentally safe energy alternatives.
When the internal combustion engine began, everybody was terrified of gasoline because it's actually a liquid explosive. Steam was the only way to go.
Then, slowly, the infrastructure got put in place and bingo... gas was suddenly okay, and we all got used to handling it, despite the fact it can still be plenty dangerous.
If the government were to help invest in either hydrogen or electrical recharging infrastructures, or would give huge tax breaks to the oil industry or for starting a whole new industry, then a good deal of carbon emissiions from cars would go away, and rather quickly.
I personally think the hydrogen is more pratical in the end... it's ease of convienence for "refueling" & better range will make it more palatible, even though electric vehicle can have great performance.
It really is all about the almighty dollar folks, no matter how much we might love the earth, THEY control the money.
The sooner we give THEM a reason to switch the sooner the switch will happen.
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel called it a "major step forward" from the climate deal reached in Germany last year. Progress with Russia is encouraging and once the G8 gets a committment from South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, India and China real progress will occur. I'm very pleased with the leadership of Prime Minister Harper.
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Way to go PM!
Victor in Oak
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More bafflegab from you again today!! Fact - industrialized countries - mainly the U.S. - have enjoyed unbridled increases in CO2 emissions for all of the last century and put the planet in the sad condition that it is in today! So now you come along and try to point the finger at someone else as needing to clean up their act. Nice try, but I don't buy your argument! More hot air from someone who promised to do better than his predecessors - shameful!!
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what sort of statement is this.. this is but a cop out from our own government..
we expect poor nations to foot the bill for our expenditures.. we as developed nation created the the mess but we are not willing to reduce our emissions first ???.. it placed on the backs of poor nations developing nations..
before we speak and tell poor nation you have to cut your emissions, we should be cutting ours.. these poor nation already have higher emission standards then us already to the most part... as for example; china and India have billions of people. and china just surpassed the US in it emissions. a country that has that has maybe a 1/5 it population.. the US consumes 25% of all the fuel in the world. but Europe a area with more development and people does not even consume 1/2 that amount..
basically we are saying" we want to keep our standard of living. but you as poor countries you have live in poverty so as we can continue to live the way we want" and not even try to reduce our emissions.. heck if every in North America household spent about 3000-5000 dollar they could reduce thier energy consumption by 1/2 . which in china pretty much every new home in china ( and europe and parts south america have the same policy) has to be built with -- solar evacuated water heater to produce 90% of thier hot water needs
and what does harper not get 2050 if to late. 2030 is already too late.. we have to lower our emissions now..
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Personally, I just love how the G8 leaders decide to halve emissions by 2050 - they'll all be dead and buried by the time that date rolls around, and all of the hard, dirty work, like standing up to the oil companies, enforcing pollution targets, etc, will have to be done by their successors. That's what I call 'principled leadership.'
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Pass the buck, Harper
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why does Harper even talk about this at all. This guy has NO place to preach on this issue. He needs to shut his mouth and get on with fluffing up his supporters' claims that there is nothing wrong in the world with regards to the environment and that nothing humanity is doing is having any negative effect on the climate of the world. Because it's this belief that keeps people like him and Bush in control, because that's what right wing supporters ardently believe.
Yo Harper - shut up and get back to being a good little Bush-bot.
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