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Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier, on the final day of his visit to Afghanistan, speaks with reporters in Kandahar on Monday, April 14, 2008. (James McCarten / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Omar Samad, Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada

Bernier told Karzai to dump Kandahar governor: CTV

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Date: Mon. Apr. 14 2008 10:08 PM ET

Foreign Affairs Minister Maxime Bernier directly told Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai that the governor of Kandahar province should be replaced because he is holding up Canadian development aid, CTV News has learned.

"Officials tell me that Maxime Bernier told President Karzai in a meeting that Governor (Asadullah) Khalid should be removed, that he was a corrupt governor and that he was holding up development aid," Robert Fife, CTV's Ottawa bureau chief, told Newsnet on Monday.

Bernier and Karzai met in Kabul on Saturday, along with French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.

Reporters asked Bernier on Monday, at the end of his three-day visit to Afghanistan, what Karzai needs to do about corruption in the south.

"They're a sovereign state, they're going to have to decide, it's a decision that the president is will have to take in the near future about the future of the government we're having here (in Kandahar)," Bernier said at the Kandahar Airfield.

"Is it the right person at the right place at the right time? President Karzai will have to answer these questions as soon as possible."

Bernier's officials immediately called the statement a mistake. The Afghans were apparently furious about the foreign interference and Bernier was forced to backtrack. His office released a statement saying, "Afghanistan is a sovereign state that makes its own decisions about government appointments. I can assure you that Canada fully respects this and is not calling for any changes to the Afghan government."

The opposition has pounced on what some say was a political gaffe -- the fact that Bernier went public with private remarks made to another government. The NDP's Jack Layton said, "There's no question there's a competence question that comes when you get this kind of a flip-flop."

While Prime Minister Stephen Harper welcomed Bernier's clarification, he didn't dispute that there were problems in Kandahar.

"We have talked to the government of Afghanistan from time to time about the performance of that government and we will continue to express these concerns to them privately," Harper said.

The Prime Minister's Office issued a statement saying: "Minister Bernier is a bold and aggressive foreign affairs minister and he quickly clarified his comments."

Canada's 2,500 troops operate in Kandahar province. Khalid, who appeared last week with top Canadian military officials at a road-building ceremony, strenuously denied reports earlier this year that he had been involved in the torture of an Afghan prisoner.

Omar Samad, Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada, said Khalid has been an effective governor -- considering the province's struggles against the Taliban.

"I think this governor has done fairly well given the circumstances," Samad told CTV's Mike Duffy Live.

"He's been the target of terrorists many times, he is trying to work the best he can. He needs, of course, a strong team. But it's the president of Afghanistan who decides who will be governor."

Military analyst Col. (ret'd) Mike Capstick, who served on the ground in Afghanistan, said Bernier made a mistake by calling for Khalid's dismissal in such a public manner.

"I can't imagine what the minister was thinking to say that out loud," he said.

Capstick suggested Bernier's comments would create tension between Brig.-Gen. Guy Laroche and Elissa Goldberg, Canada's top civilian representative in Kandahar, "for the next couple weeks."

But he acknowledged that widespread corruption is a lingering problem in Kandahar.

"You can't expect much else after 30 years of conflict. The governance structure is very weak and fragile," he said.

Bernier said he told Karzai during their meeting that the Afghan government must get serious about fighting corruption.

"I think (Karzai) can work with us to be sure the (new) governor will be more powerful ... (and) will do what he has to do to help us."

Fife said Canadian officials in the Kandahar area say that Khalid had consistently blocked efforts to put aid on the ground in the Kandahar area.

There are also allegations of corruption whirling around Khalid, he said.

Asadullah Khalid

An ethnic Pashtun, the dominant group in Kandahar province, Khalid fought with the Northern Alliance against the Taliban.

Karzai first named Khalid governor of Ghazni province in 2002 before transferring him to Kandahar in 2005.

Khalid survived an apparent assassination attempt early this year when a bomb detonated near his motorcade. Other blasts targeted him in May 2007 and in June 2006.

"It is widely believed that Asadullah Khalid gained his position as a result of his excellent relationship with U.S. authorities in Afghanistan," the Senlis Council said in a 2006 report.

"Tough on the Pakistan-Taliban connection, Khalid has become increasingly unpopular in Kandahar due to his poppy eradication campaigns."

The Senlis Council is a think tank that operates an office in Kandahar province and has pushed for a different approach to managing Afghanistan's opium production, suggesting it should be grown legally for medicinal use.

Stephen Saideman, who holds the Canada Research Chair in International Security & Ethnic Conflict at McGill University in Montreal, told Newsnet that Khalid has been supportive of Canadian efforts to enhance security in Kandahar.

However, the governor "is apparently less enthusiastic about other parts of the effort - the focus reconstruction and governance," he said.

Saideman, who toured Afghanistan in December, said Canadian soldiers told him they were able to cajole Khalid into co-operating in those other areas.

Corruption is undeniably an issue in Afghanistan, he said. "I don't have any facts in my hands on whether this guy is more or less corrupt than anybody else."

Another issue is that Karzai likely doesn't have an endless supply of governors, and that the very nature of the job and place could make it difficult to remain entirely free of corruption, Saideman said.

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Blue Magic
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I don't see anything wrong in what Mr. Bernier said.

gilles lebrun
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I don't know why I should comment because SHarper's people keep repeating the same snafus.

Baird sticks his nose in municipal affairs (Ottawa transit grant), Bernier does the same internationally and SHarper insists that nothing is wrong!

I am very sorry but elected Members of Parliament (MPs) are elected to represent their constituents. If and when they become Cabinet Ministers, they do not speak for Canadians, they speak for the political party governing Parliament.

SHarper should do the honorable thing and remove these Ministers.

Why, oh why, did I comment!!!



Chris in Mississauga
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I'm thinking the same way boss. I think Khalid was just a case of being in the right place at the right time, he was not given the job based on his abilities which so far leave a lot to be desired.


Shamaro
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Haseeb, I understand what you are saying, but PM Harper could never fire the mayor of Toronto. Why? Because it is way, way out of the PM's jurisidiction. Should Canada have some say in Afghanistan's internal politics? I believe they should have some say, especially since Canada has spilled much of our native son's blood in that country to help rebuild a nation such as this. However, I do believe that we should also keep such comments behind closed doors with the Afghan President, not with the media.


hollinm
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While it may not have been diplomatic the fact is Bernier and Karzai probably did talk about changing the governor.
So while the media wants to call it a gaffe I say good on Bernier. Call it like you see it. If Karzai doesn't like it tough. However, it is up to Karzai to make the decision about the governor.
Everybody,particularly the NDP should take a pill.


PJR
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it's too bad Karzai didn't tell Bernier to drop Harper!

Doug
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HaHa.Another round of very partisan political opinions.I guess we can expect a lot of "spin" every time this comes up.
On the main issue,I think Bernier stated the obvious.But it was not stated well,or in the right place."Brian" is completely right in saying that most poverty stricken countries are hotbeds of corruption.
Afghanistan,though,has asked the world,through the UN,for help in establishing a country for it's citizens.Our presence there is not just to counter the Taliban insurgents.It also goes to helping them to establish a justice system,roads,a system for elected governments,schools,etc,etc.
WHile I think it's true that ALL countries involved in trying to do this have a right,or even an obligation to make suggestions,I think Mr.Bernier should have spoken in a different venue,and a different tone.
After all,it is our goal to have the elected governement make the choices and decisions.Just as it is our goal to have them able to defend and poice their own country.
THis is not a huge country,but,given their history,and the current environment there,this is a massive project.
God bless all those with the courage to contribute.Especially in view of the fact that it is extremely dangerous,and the end result is not at all certain.After all,it doesn't take much courage to take part in an easy,sure thing kind of a mission.


clayton
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Before we start running off to another country and try telling them how to take care of corrupt officials, maybe we should try looking in our own backyard. We have our share of corrupt officials here in Canada within our cities, provinical and federal levels of government. We need to take care of our own house first....

Georges
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Just a shining example of how our elected officials step on toes because they think they know what is best for everyone.

Seerat
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huh? you gotta be kidding me, what does he think he is doing? well if he thinks the governor is unfit to do his job he could have told Karzai in private. public comments like this makes it look like Canadians are trying to run Afghanistan. I am an Afghan and let me say Afghans don't like this kind of interference. DON'T DO WHAT RUSSIANS DID OR YOU ARE GOING TO BE SORRY!

Tamouh
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I think Canada and other countries should have a say in the Afghan government. Our men are out there to help this regime succeed, and it is our obligation when we sent the tropps and civilians there to ensure they have the tools needed to complete their missions even if it means replacing the whole Afghan government.

John Fonzie
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Now we have a politician who travels abroad and tells another sovereign country on how to run. Bernier; hop back on the plane and try to get our government to be more open about their policies and more interactive with the Canadian Citizens. First we send our troops there for an unjust war, then we tell them how to do their business. Canadian Politicians should learn to shut their mouth when it is needed to be shut and more vocal when it is needed to be ( Prisoner in Mexico, Attacks on Air Canada, Shriver Fiasco, Chuck Cadman Saga" . Shame on you Bernier!

Neil
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If Canada is going to sacrifice its men and women and billions of dollars to bring stability back to Afghanistan, we should have a right to make sure it's not being squandered by corrupt officials. If they have a problem with that, we should pull are forces and money out of the country.

Richard Andahalf
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This man is an embarassment. Bring him home and give him a time-out. No more un-escorted jaunts.

Shahid
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Of course we have the rights to decide who runs that country; Afghanistan is Canada's occupied territory.


GW
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I think its stretch to believe the Afghan people even come close to possessing the ability to govern themselves in a relatively short time. Some think that the bulk of people in this region are some how inherently civilized if given the chance. For sure some are but likely not enough. I know this rubs a lot of readers the wrong way but much of our civility comes from our century’s old Christian heritage and this fact shouldn’t be taken for granted. The two founding principles of Christianity are based on love. This has been engrained in our subconscious culture.

On a more practical level it’s the long haul in the Middle East that concerns me. Anyone who can’t see that WWIII is coming and is going to be about Oil and focused in the Middle East has their head in the sand. Any military missions in the Middle East are doomed to fail and will only exacerbate the situation.

Get out of the Middle East while we still can. The Military is for defending our freedoms and way of life as a last course of action under extreme danger. We are playing into the terrorists hands. They flourish in the anarchy.



Bill A.
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Canada's costs in lives, injuries, goods and monies do carry an obligation, not just a right, to insist on accountability.


Rob in Montreal
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Sovereign country? Are we kidding here? If the various aid agencies and multi-national troops ever withdrew, they'd collapse into civil war and anarchy in 2 weeks. So we're supposed to shovel resources, money and soldiers lives into the country and just bury our head in the sand as to what's really going on there? Sorry if Bernier told the truth and was straight up with it. Guess the anti-Conservatives can't deal with the truth...what a surprise THAT is.


FuturePM
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If he is a corrupt governor, he must go. Corruption is the main inpediment to stability inafghanistan today. If he wasnt corrupt then Bernier wouldn't have said so. Karzai should fire him and replace him with a pashtun who is known as a strongman and opponent of the taliban but also who might be willing to meet with taliban leadership.


Rona from Canmore
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Afghanistan a sovereign country! Imagine that! No wonder M. Bernier had his knuckles rapped... Someone at the White House, not to mention the Little White House by the Rideau... wouldn't have liked that at all. Wonder if M. Bernier is going to join the ranks of Rona Ambrose on his return????


John K
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I wish Bernier wouldn't have toned down. I hope other Nato Member leaders would step up to the plate and identify realities. There is nothing to be gained by ignoring realities. This is like pretending there isn't an elephant in the room... Although it is politically incorrect to mention it.

I assume that Bernier is thinking of the well being of our Canadian soldiers when he addresses this issue. How can Afghanistan ask Nato to help them, but then expect that nobody addresses concerns?



Brian
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What many people don't realize is that corruption is rampant in most poor countries, and that it has major implications for both economic development and security.

Bernier might have been too direct but his comments are accurate.


Ian
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There are so many factors at play in Afghanistan that any one issue cannot be used as a litmus test for success or failure of their government or the current military action there.
Hopefully our country can contribute to the stability of their country for a reasonable amount of time, with reasonable expectation of results from the work that has been contributed. We can use that to define our own success or failure in our country's endeavours.


mac
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Now Bernier is backing off.

Yeah, this is exactly the right thing to do: bumbling and stumbling.

Yeah, Bernier, way to go.

Keep on lurching.




Evan from the GTA
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Re: Haseeb Afghani
It would sound like Karzai has sense, I only wish Harper could fire the dud mayors of this country.

Wrong: Afghanistan is a sovereign state in paper alone. The fact that 3/4 legs supporting it are all foreign (aid agencies, NATO, and fiscal donations) is proof that the country is not in reality a sovereign state. That's like saying from 1945-49 Germany was a sovereign state.
A state is only as sovereign as its ability to tax it's populace, and defend its claimed borders. That is a reality of Geo-Politics


tablogloid
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Afghanistan is the main opium producer in the world. The Taliban have control of most of the opium trade. Those who cultivate the poppy fields are make a lot more money and are proteceted by the Taliban. Given a choice between growing opium poppies or fighting for democratization for virtually nothing in return is a no brainer for most Afghanis.
Get out of Afghanistan now. We do not need young Canadians putting there lives on the line for this nonsense. Get out of Afghanistan now!


Fixhist, Toronto
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Poppy growing was not illegal and is not illegal for medicinal use.
It is only a matter of re-allowing codeine ingredients in shelf medication,rather than in prescription medication.
It was interest of drug cartels to have codeine banned for them to make big $$'s. We must know the third largest economy in US is drug trade. I wouldn't blame us forces of being part in narcotic trade,but involvement of CIA in narcotic trade is a fact.
1) US forces have separate command and control than ISAF in Afghanistan.
Which one of the two is authorized by UNSC?
2) Growing AIDS/Cancer in Africa and third world countries require codeine pain management, Can we as Canadians propose Pharma industry under Afghan compact?


Jayson Mendoza
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I am 99% sure that the governor's in Kandahar are currently NOT elected members. Furthermore you need to look at the reality of the situation and not what it would be ideally.

The fact of the mater is that their grip on power, their soverignty is depending on somebody else defending them. If the leadership in the provice they ask us to protect is making things worse rather then helping us it will hurt the ability of our troops and the Karzi government to win the hearts of the people in Kandahar province and thats dangerous to our troops. We have our troops on the block there, we have full right to express our opinion.

Only one nation in history has been able to express soverignty at the cost of another nation, that is Canada on the US taxpayer. Though as you can see, it is starting to effect our ability to determine what happens in north america. That is simply a reality of the world.


Robinhood
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As pessimistic as this may sound I do not believe that Afghanistan will ever become truely democratic and the "real" NATO mission there is to establish a Western friendly dictatorship. In fact that form of governance may well be the only form that works in a war prone, theocratic country like Afghanistan.



Eric
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Wait, so... we SHOULDN'T interfere with a sovereign nation's internal affairs? Does that include justice? Does this mean you people will stop crying when Canada doesn't bend over backwards to help (justly) convicted felons in sovereign nations?


Enwright
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I do not know what you people are reading, but this story stated quotes from Bernier that the ultimate decision was that of the Afghan government to replace the governor. Alright, it is unusual to hear a foreign affairs minister give internal advice but, he is not interfearing with afghan politics as some people on this thread suggest. Advice is just that, advice.


Rich
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To MHB

Know your facts before you talk. Having served there a couple of times now I have seen first hand what we do, and I know who is killing who "wrecklessly". You only need to look back a month or so ago to see the multiple murders of Afghani civilians due to bombings at a gathering. Over a hundred were killed. As well, whenever the Taliban detonate a device, sure they may get one or two soldiers...but everytime there are multiple civilians killed and wounded. Then the Taliban issue a statement saying that they are fighting against the oppression of their religion. Please, nothing is being oppressed by the multinational forces...we have actually assisted in the building of new mosques and infrastructure in the country.

ance
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We have a RESPONSIBILITY to suggest ways to that can improve Afghan governance.

If we don't help them deal with some of their tribal/corruption issues, then stable government will never happen in Afghanistan.

There is scant chance it ever will at any rate, but if we insist on trying to affect changes here, then turning a blind eye and just accepting these shortcomings will not help.

If we're expected to fight and die in Afghanistan, lets suggest, insist, demand...whatever it takes to try and help these people.


Greg from Kitchener
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Haseeb: don't make me laugh, Afghanistan is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, if Bernier feels that the governor is being bribed by the taliban or local war lords, then he must be replaced.
Soverign nation? give me a break, they cannot even control who comes in and out of there borders, and are influenced by Pakistan more than Karzai.

Sheeraz Awan
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Why is this Canada's business? Canada is in unnecessary unwinnable war.
Believe it or not, but our values in the west are NOT under threat as they are claimed to be by our government.


John
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This war is the neverending story for this govt and many to come. I still say get out and use the Billion plus dollars to help Canadians who are in need and hurting. And please don't give me the fight for freedom argument......... We went to get Bin Laden and didn't. Why are we still there? Are we trying to find a role/reason to keep NATO around. Yes Mr. Bernier, by all means replace the guy.

Allan Eizinas
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This war is going to hell in a hand basket. The reason for Canadian involvement seems to vary with who is in Afghanistan for what photo op.

So, I guess that now we intend to micro manage their government as well as give them their freedom, send their little girls to school, rebuild the structures that the Americans have bombed, kill the scumbags and murderers (if we can ever tell them apart from the non-scumbags and the non-murderers) and eradicate the opium crop that is the basis of their economy.

Madness!


glengaffney
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well the afghan goverment is corrupt. read an article saying the top official at kabul airport was fired because he done his best to to stop the drug flow.

MHB
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Now we are telling a soverign country what to do?. Actually, the attacks on NATO forces is largely prompted by the wreckless American attacks on civilians in this area. This has given the Taliban an infinite source of supporters who want to attack us in revenge for their slain relatives. If we want Karazai to be strong among his people we should stop bombing the same people that we say that we came to protect!. It is even better if we withdraw all together and let the Americans pay the price of their actions with their own blood not with the blood of our soldiers!.


Murray
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Now we are falling into the same superiority attitude as the USA, what with us now telling the duly elected government of Afghanistan how to run their country.
It is up to them to decide who is the governor, not us.
Yes we are there and we are dying in an effort to help, but that still doesn't give us the right to run their country.


boss
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Is it the right person at the right place at the right time?

excellent relationship with U.S.


Haseeb Afghani
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It's very ironic that Canada's foreign minister is interfering in Afghanistan's internal affairs. How would it sound if Karzai asked Harper to fire Toronto's mayor?

Just because Canada has military presence in Afghanistan, it doesn't have the right to try to interfere in internal affairs of a soverign nation.


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