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Date: Tue. Mar. 25 2008 9:57 PM ET
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion doesn't appear to be fazed by a spate of criticism from parts of the Quebec wing of his party.
Steven Pinkus, the Liberals' Quebec wing vice-president for the anglophone community, has gone public with his belief that if the Liberals fight a spring election, the results "wouldn't be pretty."
He also told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live on Tuesday that Dion has allowed the party to lose good potential candidates because he has been too slow to act on their nominations.
Liza Frulla, a former Liberal cabinet minister who lost her Montreal seat in 2006 and supported Michael Ignatieff in the Liberal leadership race, blasted Dion in an interview with The Globe and Mail.
"He has no instinct," she said. "At a certain point, people feel it if there is something wrong, even if they don't know exactly what it is. But he, poor Stéphane, doesn't feel it."
Dion is firing back and calling for the party to stop bickering and unite.
"Some people are very concerned because they don't want to lose," he said. "I'm telling them, 'Work together as a team with order and we will win.'"
In Fredericton, Dion told supporters that Liberals would do a much better job of debt reduction and environmental protection than the Conservatives. With Parliament on break this week, Dion is out trying to rally the troops in advance of a possible federal election.
Dion said the Liberals would:
- Say no to bulk exports of Canadian water;
- Cut poverty rates by one-third and child poverty by one-half; and
- Make university financially accessible to all Canadians.
But in Quebec, where the Liberals scheduled a pricey fundraiser in Montreal Tuesday night, Pinkus said the party needs to address serious issues, particularly when it comes to communications and selecting good candidates to run in the next election. He told Mike Duffy Live that he has offered several lists of strong candidates, but has received little feedback.
"Unfortunately, no matter how good the candidates that we were putting forward, they always seem to think somebody better is going to be right around the corner," Pinkus said.
"A lot of these candidates were left to twist in the wind and have since moved on, and that's a very frustrating thing for me."
Tim Woolstencroft of The Strategic Counsel told CTV.ca that the Conservatives have seen their numbers weaken in Quebec in recent polls. In February, the Strategic Counsel conducted a poll on leadership. Here's how the top four compare in Quebec (Canadian figure in brackets) on the question of who people trust most to be prime minister:
- Prime Minister Stephen Harper, Conservatives - 28 per cent (43 per cent)
- Gilles Duceppe, Bloc Quebecois - 19 per cent (n/a)
- Jack Layton, NDP - 18 per cent (12 per cent)
- Stephane Dion - 16 per cent (15 per cent)
"Harper -- an anglophone raised in Leaside (in Toronto), now holding a seat from Alberta -- is leading Dion in Quebec. That's extraordinary," Woolstencroft said.
Overall, "the Liberals continue to under-perform in the province of Quebec," he said.
The current standings in Quebec, out of 75 seats, are:
- Bloc Quebecois - 48
- Conservatives - 11
- Liberals - 11
- NDP - 1
- Independent - 2
- Vacant - 2
The Bloc remains the most popular party in Quebec, with 41 per cent support. Among opposition parties, the Liberals are running ahead of the Conservatives by a four-point margin (24 per cent to 20 per cent). The NDP are at six per cent digits, while the Greens are at 11 per cent.
The Liberals' strength relative to other opposition parties comes from its base in anglophone Montreal. Outside Montreal, the Liberals and Tories are tied, he said, adding that Conservative numbers have weakened in Quebec recently.
In addition to its internal problems, the party still has trouble connecting with the wider Quebec public, he said, adding the Liberals really should be at 30 per cent support.
But CTV's Roger Smith told Canada AM that despite all the griping that's been going on since the stinging loss of Outremont in last fall's byelection, there is no "Dump Dion" movement.
That doesn't mean there aren't real problems, he said.
Smith said Frulla told him in an interview Tuesday morning that there are 30 to 40 ridings lacking a nominated Liberal.
Former astronaut Marc Garneau threatened to quit the Liberals last fall because he felt he wasn't part of Dion's team, but has since relented and will run for the party. However, former MP Nick Discepola is also having problems getting his candidacy approved, according to The Globe.
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Rob
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hollinm
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If you watched him on the CTV clips today he had trouble getting the words out of his mouth.
The Liberals will suffer a significant humiliation in the next election when Canadians are asked to compare Dion and Harper as leaders.
regor, Hamilton
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James T.
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And Dan, bulk exports of Canadian water is a HUGE issue. Please do some research.
Affordable education and decreasing child poverty rates are also achievable goals.
Taxes should not go up if the resources are only managed better. Flaherty/Harper have spent the most $$ in each in the last two budgets than any previous government at any previous time in Canada's history. Inflation included. It's a fact.
Rodney Kobsar
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Mike
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DGK
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DGK
Peter Adams
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Say no to bulk exports of Canadian water;
Cut poverty rates by one-third and child poverty by one-half; and
Make university financially accessible to all Canadians.
Can anyone explain why anyone in their right mind would believe anything Dion says? Wasn't he a key part of both the Martin and Chretien governments and yet with all the time they had, they achieved none of the above.
Sounds like Stephane will say anything to get elected. I am sure Mr. Harper is sleeping soundly at night now Stephane is at the helm.
James T. Laing
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Brian
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Our country is stronger, the unemployment rate is the lowest its been, and more importantly the employment rate is the highest in history.
Harper's approval rating is very high simply because he is a leader. I don't need to bash Dion, even the libs know he is not a leader.
Spencer
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Sorry, that was debt reduction for students in universities spending too many dollars on bottled water.
Dump DION as leader, why ruin all the fun.
If we are lucky He will single handedly take the Liberal party to a new low.
K in Toronto
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Just to clarify some comments already made...
As a minister, Dion had demonstrated expertise not only with the environment but also with intergovernmental affairs at a most crucial point in Canada's history. Also, in his writings, he makes a strong case for diversity and tolerance as guiding principles. The people at the Liberal convention made the right choice. Rae is not a good leader, but he will make a great contribution as a cabinet minister. Ignatieff is too much like Harper to be taken seriously as a Liberal leader. All this squawking about leadership is happening also within the Conservative party. There's Harper and no-one else except those with muzzles on; anyone else gets driven out. If Harper needs something crucial decided, he has to recruit someone from the Liberals to help him out; the Conservatives don't have a strong group. The Liberals are a team of strong people and they just got stronger by winning most of the recent by-elections.
bunny!
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Steve
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Ian
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Ian
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I'm sure the people of Quebec appreciate being told by a pollster just how much they "should" support the Liberal party. The Liberals have not won a plurality of seats in that province for almost 30 years now. Since they lost their status as the default federalist alternative thanks to the rise of the Conservatives, many Quebecers have clearly figured out that the Liberals have nothing else to offer them.
After Quebec was made to look like a fool in the sponsorship scandal, perpetrated on them by Liberals, the Liberals should count themselves lucky they have any supporters left in that province.
Damian
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For the first time in my history of Canadian politics we have a government which doesn't base its policies on the wishes of the latte sipping intelligentia from downtown Toronto, and this means the sky is about to fall? Get a grip people. Calling Harper ultra right, or neo-con simply betrays your ignorance of what those terms mean. Debate and argue individual policy issues, but crying outrage at "the government" is meaningless here. Long live Stefan as the Lib leader!
RS
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Dan Marleau
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Jack Layton has his own self-interest before that of Canada (ie: Killing the Kelowna Accord and Universal Childcare), and while Gilles Duceppe is a very competent politician he doesnt have much support outside of Quebec.
Stephane Dion is the real alternative to the secrecy of Steve Harper and the Conservatives. All of the Conservative byelection candidates complained of being muzzeled, is Harper really the guy that we want running our country?
KD
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Eric
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Cry me a river. Harper's still ahead in the polls consistantly, so stop pretending that Canada's desperate to remove Harper. YOU'RE desperate to remove Harper, have the nerve to at least state your opinion rather than hiding behind a mass generalization.
Hidden in an Igloo
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Are you serious, does no one recall Bob Rae days!!
I've seen his leadership, no thanx.
joan scheiwiller
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GTH
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Gary Wilson
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justin from ontario
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Dave in Surrey
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Proud CPC Supporter
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allan
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Liberals cannot think for themselves and cannot make decisions, so in-fighting is a natural consequence.
Richard D
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For the most part, what you are saying is correct. Just one thing needs correction, though: Dion is not the only party leader to be immediately attacked by a sitting PM. Stockwell Day was mercilessly savaged by Jean Chretien from day (no pun intended) one until Day was no longer the Alliance leader.
That being said, though, Dion is facing a lot of criticism and attacks (whether fairly or not) from within his own party. If his standing with Canadians, especially Quebecers, doesn't improve soon, the knives will come out.
I don't want to see what happened to the old Conservative party happen to the Liberals. We had enough of one-party rule in this country. We don't need more of it.
Victor
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Why doesn't he put his leadership to a confidence voteand then he can at least see if people will want him to lead.
Anyhow, the Liberals need to win back alot of votes and right now their current leader is looking too puzzled. Rankly, he is flip flopping all the time that I don't believe what he says anymore. Afterall, a week later he won't even have his party vote for allthe screaming they were doing.
JD in Alberta
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Making university financially accessible to all Canadians. To federal Liberals, "All Canadians" means Quebec and Ontario.
So Dion's method to solve these issues,would be to plunder and pillage Alberta for our oil and gas revenue.
Then once those problems are solved,Dion can solve the eviromental issue by imposing higher taxes and ridiculously strict enviromental controls on the oil companies to make it impossible for them to continue.
This man scares me a hell of a lot more than Trudeau. Like Trudeau he cannot see beyond himself, Quebec and Ontario,for the good of all the country.
Dion, like all Liberals past and present, when they look out west all they see is their cash cow.
CR
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"In addition to its internal problems, the party still has trouble connecting with the wider Quebec public, he said, adding the Liberals really should be at 30 per cent support."
Where does he get his information as to where any party "should be" in terms of polling numbers? To me, this statement is very presumptive.
Katt
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Vince M.
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The reason Dion is a poor leader is because he is a very poor communicator and has absolutely no charisma.
I matters not if he is brilliant. If he cannot inspire others to follow he cannot be a leader.
Jim McB
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Dion will have to take charge soon or all is lost. His caucus is slipping more into the left wing quagmire that is the area of the NDP. The NDP will never form a government and neither will the Liberals if they stay in that part of the spectrum.
As a party they can't admit that electing Dion and his weak platform was a mistake. They have to take him out and start again to rebuild. The looming election in October 2009 does not give them enough time to do that so they have only one strategy available. Pick some inconsequential issue, like water, force an election on, hope that the party can get at least a few seats and then rebuild. Quebec is just the leading edge of the troubles for this party and the decent leader they are about to sacrafice.
CM
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Also in regards to people wanting Bob Rae to be the leader, bring that on ASAP I say. I am a proud Conservative and am astounded why anyone would want Mr. Rae to be the leader and a potential PM after what he did to Ontario as Premier. His track record speaks volumes for the damage he'd do to Canada.
raj
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Wes
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Devon K.
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No I disagree there. Dion isn't seen as having leadership qualities because he hasn't shown any. Take his election as Liberal Party leader in Dec 2006. What were his first words? We need to have an election to get rid of the Tories and put the Liberals back into power as soon as possible. I'm paraphrasing of course. Did he follow through on that? Nope.
He had all of 2007 to define himself. What did he do? He waffled on various issues, never took a firm stand on any thing, and tried to play Mr. Green. Well we all know the record he and the Liberal Party had with Kyoto after they signed on and then finally ratified - they did nothing.
Now we come to 2008 and he's got a real shot at showing leadership when it counts. He had three opportunities to show that he and the Liberal Party would stand for something: the Crime Bill, the Budget, and Afganistan. In all three cases the Liberals either abstained, refused to even participate and walked out, or didn't even bother to show up. When they didn't even bother to show up for their own confidence motion on the budget that was a fine example of mismanagement by Mr. Dion.
The question pundits ask on a daily basis is what does the Big Red Machine stand for today? Right now the only answer is - winning elections.
Now I'm a Tory and I love Mr. Dion. I hope he leads the Liberal Party through a few elections. He's the gift that keeps on giving!
Vince M.
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Trudeau may have defined Canada and national identity for you but in the West he was pure poison.
I will never forget my friends in the oil patch who committed suicide after Trudeau and the NEP effectively robbed them of everything they owned and everything they aspired to be.
Tht's Trudeau's legacy out West.
fat tony
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John
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The Liberals have lost touch with Canadians because they haven't gone through this soul searching process in years.
Ray
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next thing, dion hasn't been given his chance at an election as a leader, so until then people need to relax. dion is not what's hurting the party, it's all those executives who think they were elected leader.
Kevin in Van
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Secondly, Dion is destined to lose any election he leads the party in, he has wavered on too many issues refusing to even vote for or against government legislation which is terribly weak and not the stuff a good leader is made of.
Thirdly, His main claim to be a champion of the environment does not hold up to scrutiny. He was the environment minister for many years and the liberals did absolutly nothing during his tenure.
Lastly, The Conservatives could easily get Dion removed as leader by simply calling byelections in the 2 vacant Quebec seats where the Liberals would be beaten and his leadership would then be challenged the reason they don't...He is the best hope for the Conservatives to win a majority government.
Steve
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The only leading Dion has done is to lead his MPs out of the house on critical votes. Yes, Harper has created "a government that needs to be taken down", but Dion has been unwilling and unable to step forward and do just that. Don't blame Canadians for Dion's inability to show true leadership skills and garner enough support from his MPs and the Canadian public to be in a position to defeat the Conservatives.
Trent
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Scott
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I think it's sad that the reason Dion is not seen as a leader is because he's not an attacker. He's not a mean-spirited bully. He's a scholar, an intellect, a thinker - and for this, he is seen as not having leadership qualities?
J. Fletcher
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Dan
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Is this an issue?
"Cut poverty rates by one-third and child poverty by one-half"
Just like they did last time right? They nevr did delivery this last time.
"Make university financially accessible to all Canadians."
Sounds like taxes are going up!
Paul out West
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We need a new face in Ottawa to lead the Liberal Party someone none of us may not even know yet; someone energetic, charismatic, knowledgeable, compassionate, and who connects with the people.
FreakAlert
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Davey Legasse
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I guess it is a sad commentary that having "an anglophone raised in Leaside (in Toronto), now holding a seat from Alberta -- is leading Dion in Quebec." is considered extraordinary.
Don J
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It's pretty disgusting the Liberals elected someone as leader only to leave him hanging out to dry. No one has stood up for Dion since he got the position. He's the only party leader in Canadian history to be immediately and constantly attacked by the sitting PM immediately upon election and constantly since. He has to deal with Quebec Liberals still holding a grudge who would rather air their dirty laundry publicly than privately. He has to deal with this dissention alone and doesn't have his other MPs speaking on his behalf at all. He's criticized more for not taking down Harper than Harper is for creating a government that needs to be taken down.
And then after all of that, there are the comments like those above, Canadians writing idiotic mean little poems, hitting below the belt, complaining and gossiping and accusing and complaining.
I wouldn't want to be in Dion's shoes. This guy's had an unfair ride and it's more OUR fault than his - this mob mentality against him of ranting and mocking and jeering is what gives Harper more power and diminishes anything Dion could accomplish.
It's pretty sick to see Canadians act like vultures like this.
Garion Riva
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But I'm sorry, he just doesn't doesn't portray to me the image of a true national leader.
Not one of them do with the exception of (Goddess for give me) of Harper. I dislike his politics severely, but he does give an image of a strong leader.
Liberal from Ottawa
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