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Date: Tue. Oct. 23 2007 11:13 PM ET
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said distributors and retailers should lower prices "as soon as possible" to reflect a soaring Canadian dollar, and held up a copy of the latest Harry Potter book as an example of how some items are still much cheaper in the U.S.
Flaherty's comments followed what he called a "frank and open discussion" with industry members Tuesday.
"My message was clear: now that the Canadian dollar is at par with the United States dollar, I strongly urge Canadian distributors, wholesalers and retailers to reduce prices for Canadian consumers," he said.
Flaherty said he looked at a copy of the recent Harry Potter book in Washington this past weekend, which was selling for US$29.74 before tax. He came back to Ottawa and purchased the Canadian version, which was $36 before tax.
"It's a price difference of more than 20 per cent. And the actual price, as printed on the covers, is $45 for the Canadian version and $34.99 for the American version," he said.
Harry Potter is distributed in Canada by Vancouver-based Raincoast Books, and Scholastic in the U.S.
The Canadian dollar closed the day at 103.51 cents US.
"Retailers tell me that there are lag times with respect to inventory that was priced before the dollar reached parity," he said.
"They told me there are also additional costs, which is accurate, for doing business in Canada, such as higher freight costs, additional costs for translation, and higher brokerage tariffs.
"I appreciate that, and I understand that prices cannot be lowered overnight, and that Canadian and U.S. prices may never be identical because of some of those unique differences. But the Canadian dollar has been on an upward trajectory for several years now, and there has been a significant period of time to adjust."
Diane Brisebois, of the Retail Council of Canada, said Flaherty should help retailers by cutting duties collected at the border.
"If you bring in sneakers from China, for example, retailers in Canada pay 18 per cent taxes. Retailers in the U.S. pay absolutely nothing," she said.
Representatives from Wal-Mart Canada, Hudson's Bay Co., Toys R' Us, Staples Inc. and Forzani Group Ltd. were all in Ottawa to meet with Flaherty.
Home Depot Canada spokesperson Harry Taylor said his company was already working hard to cut prices.
"We're going everything we can, both within our merchandising organization but also with our vendor community, to make sure that we are absolutely competitive," he told CTV News.
Wal-Mart Canada said that the company had its "best-ever year of price reductions."
In a press release, the company said it has been negotiating with suppliers for more than a year to have wholesale prices better reflect the strengthening Canadian dollar.
"Canadians are not satisfied, Wal-Mart Canada is not satisfied, and negotiations continue," Mario Pilozzi, Wal-Mart Canada's president and CEO, said in the release.
"We are the agent for our customers, and will continue to work proactively with suppliers to negotiate lower prices. We are committed to turning our negotiations into many pleasant surprises for our customers between now and the New Year."
On Friday, Hudson's Bay Co. announced it would reduce prices on items at nearly 300 Zellers discount department stores.
Additional factors
Still, some industry experts note that the exchange rate is only one factor on the price differentials between products sold in Canada and the U.S.
John Williamson, federal director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, sent a letter to Flaherty yesterday arguing that price parity is impossible.
"Our economy has more costly regulations and higher taxes and until this is changed, Canadians cannot expect price parity with the U.S., which has a more dynamic, lower taxed, less regulated and therefore less costly market," Williamson wrote.
"Canada cannot have radically higher minimum wages, higher business taxes and more costly regulations and suppose prices will be the same on both sides of the border."
Williamson told CTV Newsnet on Tuesday that Crown corporations and "government monopolies" should be held to the same standard as Canadian retailers.
"It's not the private market that sets the toll fares across the Canada-U.S. borders, which are still charging much more in Canadian dollars," Williamson said.
"I haven't noticed prices coming down at the liquor monopolies and Canada Post just increased its price of mail going to the U.S. despite the huge increase in the loonie."
Williamson said the Canadian economy remains much less efficient than the American economy due to "costly imputs" imposed on businesses by the government that weren't noticed when the dollar was lower.
"Mr. Flaherty's position would be strengthened immensely if he said, for example, we're going to cut employment insurance taxes right away for employers to allow them to pass these savings on to consumers. Lead by example and then he can go out and beat up some of the retailers," Williamson said.
Economists estimate that Canadians may be paying as much as 20 per cent more than Americans for similar products sold in the U.S.
Some U.S. auto retailers and Bombardier dealers have been told not to sell to Canadians, in order to protect dealers north of the border.
Canadian Auto Workers president Buzz Hargrove said Tuesday that dealers will be forced to lower prices if consumer pressure remains strong.
With a report by CTV's David Akin and files from The Canadian Press
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Perhaps they should look at reducing duties resellers must pay for products coming from the US to Canada in order to level the field? Then it would be prudent for the resellers to offer competitive pricing and good service to maintain a loyal customer base.
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Ian
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Mikey
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RRBSF
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Canadians have been gouged for years strictly because of our perception that the prices we pay are acceptable and we continue to buy. The only way to bring prices down is to stop buying, period.
Kim
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We are now paying almost $5.00 a gallon for milk and we can't buy a decent piece of fruit if our lives depended on it.
Having just returned from a month long vacation to Northern Ontario, we were clearly able to see the difference in both groceries in the supermarket and the quality and quantity of a meal in your restaurants.
Here in the US in order to keep the population happy, suppliers have been cutting back on the size of their products instead of raising prices!
It won't be long and a Big Mac will have to be renamed to Big Joke!
You get what you pay for and good or bad you have a better quality of life. Don't change that for this pitiful American way of life.
Deb Kay
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Mark Dyer
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As my father says, it's what the market will bear.
Daniel Lewis
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2) Canadians won't get price parity unless the money men manipulate the market that way. Not likely.
3) Canada actually is less efficient than the US. We're more spread out and our government is still overbearing.
4) Quit bitching. The world doesn't owe you anything. If the world is a way other than you expect, change your expectations.
Mr. Mac Guy
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I work for one of the largest Apple Resellers in Canada. Our cost from Apple has not changed a penny. We currently make about 8% markup on computers. That doesn't leave us any room to lower our prices.
A manufacture like Apple will typically set the price of an item when they initially release an item at the then current exchange rate.
What I'd like to know is... it works both ways. If our loonie ever starts to tank, will Flaherty be meeting with retailers to make sure they raise their prices to reflect the dollar?
It works both ways.
DP
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When it comes to us, little guys, it a whole different story. Nobody EVER asks us if we can afford a new tax, another hydro hike or one more cent per postage. We just have to accept it materoffactly. So what's so special about corporate citizens? Why, for instance, their management cannot contribute half of their annual compensation - to reduce those "additional costs"? I bet it will be billions of dollars - and I doubt it will make them starve. Easy solution, isn't it? The only problem - they're so GREEDY they'll never agree to this. And that is the true reason.
TommyBoy
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What are you going to do Canada... whine some more about price differences.
I say, everyone in Canada should charge the gates on Ottawa and demand a rebate from the Federal Government for being riped-off by the retailers of Canada and gouged by the Federal Government for all the Duty Taxes they have collected.
Or, we can just quietly go about our mundane lives and say "Oh well, what can I do about it".
Donald Felling
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Interesting to see where Harper's loyalties lie: consumers and families, or the corporate side.
JFJ
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What's wrong with folks ability to make decisions for themselves?If you think you are being gouged don't buy until the price is right. Let lower demand drive prices down.
Even Buzz Hargrove has finally figured it out even though he prefers that the North American auto industry is excused from competing with foreign manufacturers.
GJ
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rick l
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and avoided purchasing big ticket items for even 1 week, You'll see prices drop. It
will save me a trip across the border. I am
sick and tired of getting ripped off and
wait until the Christmas shopping season starts,
I will be one of the many cars heading south.
Chris R
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You must be dreaming! What many Canadians find insulting is that we earn less, get taxed more and have always paid substantially more (even when our dollar was trading at the $0.62 cent level) for the same goods and services as our American neighbours.
The Europeans are lucky because the introduction of their single currency, and the removal of borders and import tariffs between member states, means that consumers can shop around for the best deal. Prices across the EU are therefore completely transparent to consumers. Furthermore, a German can drive to France do some shopping and then return to Germany without having to pay any duty on the goods purchased in France and without having to stop at any border. The EU now has an internal market of more than 425 million people, which is 100 million more than the combined population of the US and Canada.
If we want to improve our living standards in this country we have to look at some kind of monetary union and tax harmonization with the US to ensure we benefit from the economies of a larger market. NAFTA has failed to achieve this and needs to be revamped if we want a fairer deal.
norsky
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shaun sturby
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Max
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"Fraud or American arrogance?"
No stupidity on your part. Why would you expect them to accept Canadian Dollars in Vegas? It ain't Canada!
VJP
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GP
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At least open the border so I have the option of sending my hard earned and highly taxed money where I want. The government should also drop those subsidise and tax kick backs to these company’s whose business model is based purely on greed. Its not how much is a fair profit any more, its…what is the most money we can get, and we don’t care how we do it. It’s worked for the oil, banks, and insurance companies so why not everywhere else.
This greed thing is getting completely out of hand. Would everyone please stand up and ask your MP to please get out of your pocket and do something for the average hard working taxpayer? AFTER TWENTY YEARS OF BITING THE BULLET WE NEED AND DESERVE A BREAK!!!
damien
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Ben
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Dave in Surrey
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larry derouin
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Bob
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stephen
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This is just a pure political spin announcement. For the politically weak minded and those who suffer from lapses of short memory to eat up..
I'm sorry nothing new here just the same hot air we've being hearing from the this government for the last two years.
Paul
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I have seen costs dropping as new products come across the border.
Everyone thinks the retailers can lower prices overnight.
The supplier might have brought in the product several weeks or months before. Maybe at 80 or 90 cents. Do you think it is fair for them to lose money on inventory? No.
We have slowly lowered our prices as the new inventory flows into our stores.
As for Walmart, they can squeeze the mjaor suppliers a little further than we can.
What has made the retail sector more competitive is the free market on the web. Look at the web sales trend over the last few years. Out pacing the retail sales growth.
Just my 2 cents.
Tim
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Paul
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Mar
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King of Kensington
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Price fixers should be charged!
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Jeremy
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This situation is no different than the situation that has existed in Europe for many years. Europeans tend to pay much more for most products than Americans (or even Canadians) when you take into account the exchange rate, but they get paid much more, too.
Shane
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This is pure electioneering and it will backfire by exclusively benefiting the U.S. parent companies of the retailers able to more immediately offer price reductions.
Sparky
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Sparky
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When the Loonie drops(note the word "when"), I will expect the retailers to use up their existing stock at the price that reflects the value at time of purchase. Or will they bump up the price right away? I know where my bet is!!!
Mike
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jimmy
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We've ordered baby furniture, auto parts, books and just placed an order for an electrical generator that costs $2500 less in the U.S. Although there's no warranty on the generator in Canada, with the savings I can afford to buy a second one should anything go wrong.
With regards to retailers complaining that things cost more in Canada, or that their suppliers charge higher rates, or good luck with warranty work...or the best one yet, "Canadian Prices refelect the Canadian Economy" enough is enough.
Justify your prices however you want and keep your products on the shelf, my dollars will head south till there's PARITY!
Roch
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David
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Tommy Gunn
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Keep shopping in the US, forcing companies that can't compete to close up shop or lay off staff. In some cases I might agree, but in most cases I don't. For the long term if companies close, people lose jobs. How will you shop then?
Are economy is strong lets not sabotage it.
Use some common sense.
But I guess if you can afford to run across the border and buy a car,or other high end merchandise, I guess money is not an issue.
And if money is not an issue then your just cheap.
Johnny Canuck
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Should this not be legal? Discrimination of customers based from their geographic location? Hmm, did we impose such laws when our dollar was so low? I think it's absoultely disgusting that the US dealers are being told to do that, and I hope that people choose not to purchase anything north or south of the border with companies that do that.
Drew
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Vince M.
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The taxes are the same, the duties are the same and the shipping is the same as it was several months ago. The difference is you can buy more US imports with the same amount of money meaning you can sell for less if you want and still make the same profit.
Of course, if you don't want to, the consumer should not be chastized for seeking to do your job for you. And they certainly should not be *stopped* from seeking a better deal in the US as the auto manufacturers are trying to do.
Vince M.
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I emailed Toyota asking why a 2008 Highlander Sport 4WD in Canada costs $46,900 and in the US costs $32,085. Exactly the same vehicle.
To date, no response.
BlbGfls
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It would also afford travellers in other countries to avail of local items as well
Kev
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We get to pay world market price for our own oil and gas when we are a producer. Cars are cheaper in the US? Our market is 10% of the US market; ever hear of volume pricing? Get real folks, this article is just like the 'rising' loonie, an artificial product being 'sold' to a consumer. You either pay or you don't, that's the way our world works today. Whining about the cost solves nothing. Expect the government to make to world 'fair'...ha!
hthrmal
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I don't expect or want price parity with the U.S. I wouldn't take their prices/tax structures in exchange for their social and healthcare safety not/net.
Aaron in Toronto
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Jim Wilson
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Jim
guppies
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The bottom line is no one will willing to pay higher price if you know where to get it cheaper. One comment says the small business companies will get hurt.
And is doesn't matter you can't win anyway if you're selling the same products that futureshop, bestbuy...etc carry too.
That's the fact of life.
Why ? I usually purchase TVs from a small store that I know for years. But how can I give him my business that he is trying to sell to me which is the same model and 20% higher cost. And have to wait for 2 weeks for shipping.
Other comment - we can bring most autos in from the States to Canada. But there is paper work to process. The problem is some auto manufactures don't allow the dealership in the States to sell to Canadians.
Why ? go figure yourself.
If the Americans can do it. Why not us.
Theresa Ruhnke
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Christopher Rastin
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"low Liberal loonie are over"
Are you serious?? I don't have time to acknowledge the first statement - but the second "low liberal loonie"?? My friend - it was the Liberal governance of the 90's that provided the economic situation we have today. Don't tell me you think two years of Tory minority governments has shifted our economy into the power house we have today...? It's rather easy to ride the tide of the Liberal financial success record.
guppies
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Example, saying there's a higher tax rate in Canada. Suppliers haven't dropped the price yet, And what happens if Canadians go back to .90 ...etc.
Just look at our auto industries pricing different 20 - 30+ % for a 2008 model or more. We are talking thousands and thousands of dollars here.
If the Auto dealer worries the Canadian $ will go back to 90 cents or not par to US. Simply sell me the car in U.S dollars.
We can't count on the govt. to do things for us. If they don't drop/adjust the pricing. I go somewhere that they will. That's the bottom line.
If no one is buying, they will drop the pricing.
Another example Just look at our Lumber industries.
Well bye for now !
See you Canada. Hello border....
Phil
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Do that and retailers won't be singing the Blues.
The Widowmaker
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Annoyed Canadian Consumer
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Canadian companies that continue to gouge Canadian consumers (Bombardier, Ford, GM, etc.) that restrict where Canadians can spend their money should be taken to task by the Federal Government.
Roger T
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dwigget
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fed up with dumb consumers
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Large retailers can nickel and dime suppliers to help them cut prices, but the small to mid-sized retailers are already nickeled and dimed to death.
Enjoy your foreign purchases but don't be surprised when the Canadian small business person turns you away at the door when you want warranty work. That is, if their door is still open.
James
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First of all the loonie was not low because of the Liberal government. You should take a degree in economics to understand that the only reason our dollar is on the rise is because the American economy is soft. It will not stay like this.
Secondly, Canadians pay way to much for the exact same product in the States. You solution would not fix the problem- in fact it would not really help anyone except for yourself.
Lex P.
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Mike
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Phil VT
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Well excuse me but what's free about not being allowed to cross the border to purchase a car? Is that free trade? Not free trade for me - that's for sure. I guess free trade only applies if it benefits big business - who cares about Joe Sixpack....
Eric
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Good job Mr. Flaherty.
Walt Lindgren
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Mau
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Brent
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Diane
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Edb
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