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Despite NDP input, Harper unlikely to alter budget course

Prime Minister Stephen Harper during a photo opportunity in his office on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) NDP interim leader Nycole Turmel speaks during question period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Wednesday, Feb. 1, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) stephen harper, ottawa, question period
Prime Minister Stephen Harper during a photo opportunity in his office on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Thursday, Feb. 2, 2012. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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I also am a senior it would not bother me if I had to work until 70 so my grand children would have oas. To you whiners if you work longer you will live longer .

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Despite NDP input, Harper unlikely to alter budget course

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Despite NDP input, Harper unlikely to alter budget course

Date: Saturday Feb. 4, 2012 10:58 PM ET

OTTAWA — Prime Minister Stephen Harper is seeking opposition input into the next federal budget, even though he no longer needs opposition support to ensure its passage.

The budget, expected later this month or next, will be Harper's first since capturing a long-sought Conservative majority in last May's election.

Nevertheless, Harper has met with interim NDP Leader Nycole Turmel to discuss the official Opposition's priorities for the economic blueprint.

Turmel says she urged Harper to focus on job creation and not to cut programs and services which hard-pressed families rely on in tough times.

While Turmel believes Harper "understood" her concerns, it's unlikely he intends to act on them.

The budget is expected to slash as much as $8 billion from federal spending as the government moves to erase the deficit built up during the 2008-09 global recession and to set out a long-term path for ensuring the Old Age Security program remains sustainable as Canada's population ages.

On the latter score, the government is contemplating eventually raising the age of eligibility for OAS to 67 from 65 -- a move vehemently opposed by the NDP.

A spokesman for Harper called Friday evening's meeting with Turmel "very cordial" but gave no sign that the prime minister is prepared to change course.

Andrew MacDougall said Harper made it clear his government intends to "make the transformations necessary to sustain economic growth, job creation and prosperity, now and for the next generation."

MacDougall said Harper reiterated his intention to keep tax rates down, to make strategic investments in science and technology and to expand trade linkages.

Harper, who is about to leave on trip to China, also repeated his determination to "make it national priority" to enhance Canada's ability to export energy products beyond the United States, specifically to Asia.

Environmental concerns prompted the U.S. recently to delay a decision on approving TransCanada's (TSX:TRP) proposed Keystone XL pipeline, which would carry oilsands bitumen from Alberta to Gulf Coast refineries. Since then, the Harper government has vowed to speed up public hearings into the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline, which would transport crude oil from Alberta's oilsands to the coast of British Columbia, for tanker shipment to places like China.

The NDP, by contrast, is opposed to the pipeline and wants to roll back corporate tax cuts.

Turmel said she told Harper that too many families are worried about their jobs, too many are waiting for Employment Insurance and, with budget cuts looming, they know "it will be even harder for them to make ends meet." She urged him to ensure the budget "does not harm families or cut the services they rely on in these tough times."

She said she also told Harper he needs to work with the provinces to improve front-line health care services, rather than unilaterally dictate future federal funding levels.

Despite the apparent absence of common ground, Turmel's chief of staff, Anne McGrath, said Harper "listened carefully" to the NDP's budget suggestions.

"I'm not sure what the significance of it is going to be but I think he was definitely listening, he was paying attention, he was taking down notes, he was engaging in the conversation," McGrath said as she and Turmel emerged from the meeting.

"We're hoping that he will take account of the perspectives that we brought."

A spokesman for interim Liberal leader Bob Rae said Harper has not requested a meeting to discuss the third party's priorities for the budget.

"No doubt because we make ourselves very clear in the House," said Daniel Lauzon.

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Marilyn
said

What would you do if by age 65 you are too broken down from years of labour intensive work that you just can not do it anymore? Sounds like Harper expects the provinces to pick up the bills for welfare if these people don't have enough to live on. How are we to save when there isn't enough jobs that are paying enough to live on let alone save? If you think Harper is so great did you hear anything about him letting his pension of $240.00 per year be cut or rolled back? That is what he is asking us to do. Try asking if the people you voted into office will let their pension go for 2 years. Seems to me that would help more than what our elected dictator- Mr. Harper is suggesting. I'm just saying.I know many people who have retired a couple of years before 65 because of health reasons. We are always going to have people that have to do that. We are also trying to find enough jobs for the young people now, what will all these older workers do to the job market. Wake up Harper!!


Jean Andrews
said

But what if jobs for older persons remain/become as sparse as they were in the late 1980's? For most folks any and all life savings will be used up in basic harsh subsistence before age 65. The Feds dumped affordable housing, no way that urban folks can produce their own food, prov. min wage is below subsistence, and surprise surprise welfare, or social assistance before age 65, is a provincial thing!! If these folks for whom there are no jobs do not receive funds from somewhere there will be whitehaired corpses piling up along the roadsides. But, again, disposimg of them will be a provincial cost, so Steve will have achieved his goal of cutting Federal costs for poor canadians thus enabling him to enhance his present generosity to foreign outfits like Caterpillar and etc.


King stephy
said

King stephy should certainly alter his budget. He and all other high paid civil servants have to reduce their own salary / benefites / pension in order to make sure canadian finances are sustainable. He also need to reduce military expenses and reduce attack and strategic armament purchases. A sustainable solution can not be acheived by making the life of seniors and low income families miserable. Aristocracy and sense of entitelment is not acceptable for Canadian leaders.


BobELee
said

Tbay

Can we all say "1-term priminister"And even that is too much.

How many elections can you count?


boomer
said

Mr. Harper may do well to remember that he is only an elected official and not the King of Canada. I'm praying that this is his first and last majority government. The waste that goes on in government is unbelievable - whatever happened to 3 quotes in order to get the best price? Now it's just buy wherever. While he's at it, he should look at all the MP's and Senators pensions - talk about pigs at the trough. These should be scaled back immensely. I have to work 30 years to get 60 percent of my wages but they have to serve one term and stand to make hundreds of thousands. Somehow this doesn't seem fair.He needs to leave his dictatorial attitude of "do as I say and not as I do" at home where it belongs.Sad state of affairs when you live in a democratic dictatorship.


RZ
said

@ Erik - How the hell do you expect Canadians to contribute to RRSP's when more and more of them are struggling to make ends meet? Sure, the issue of Canadians living beyond their means and being overly materialistic deserves part of the blame, but you cannot ignore the impact of rising costs related to housing, food, gas, utilities, etc.As for the budget, I'm with the NDP and Liberals on the need to reverse corporate tax cuts; given they are already less than in the United States. Some of these extra revenues could then be used to balance the budget sooner; with the balance focused on critical items such as affordable housing, a national transit strategy (we're the only G8 nation that doesn't have one), post-secondary education, and infrastructure. If invested properly, these would also lead to much needed job creation.As for health care, there is a need for provinces to be held accountable and to reduce non essential expenditures so that more money is available for core services.


Fran
said

@Mark --- Your right, Harper did not bail out the banks... no need. But you make it sound like his doing. The banks didn't debacle the way the US banks did because they were more regulated hence couldn't let their greed take over. Harper advocated, while in opposition, for them to be deregulated... it didn't happen because the Libs wouldn't agree... which is what saved our banking system. The reformers would have taken us down the road the US banks went. Google it. I miss the Liberals. Definitely better fiscal managers.


Brian from Calgary
said

People keep forgetting how OAS was brought about. It was brought about when the life expectency was lower then the required age to qualify for it. Thus, most people would never collect it and most people would be paying into it. Now, life expectency is somewhere in the high 70's and you only have to be 65 to qualify for it. On top of that, you have a huge generation of baby boomers about to retire (a problem the world has known about for a while and done practically nothing to compensate for, I might add) so you are going to have a lot more people collecting OAS and a lot fewer people paying into it. It is not designed for this. Changes need to be made. If you Liberals and NDPs have a solution that doesn't involve a huge tax hike (which will never be enough to pay for the huge amount of people about to retire in the coming years, no matter how high you raise taxes), throwing a much higher % of gov revenue or more at the problem (and to my NDP friends, eliminating the military or other essential services will still not be enough to pay for it) , or making moderate reforms like Harper is "thinking" of doing, please, propose it! Let's take some logic here instead of hoping the problem will be fixed by maintaining the status quo.


Mark
said

To all of the Left posters here that would rather Bob Rae or Nicole Turmel be in charge of our country:1. Canada's fiscal situation although certainly could be better-is the envy of the world given the events of the past few years.2. Stephen Harper's Conservatives did NOT adopt the "Green Energy Carbon Tax scheme advocated by both the NDP and Liberals-thank God!!! Just image where we'd be now if we had?3. Significant progress has been made to rebuild Canada's defenses-after being gutted by the Liberals for a decade...and then being sent to war in canvas covered jeeps by the same Liberals.4. Stephen Harper's Conservatives did not:-bail out any banks-no need.-waste $billions/trillions in nonsense 'stimulus'. What was spent was prudent, necessary and time-limited.But "the Left", just as in the current City of Toronto negotiations are oh so entitled, always want more, want somebody else to pay for it and will consistently thrash about with the 'secret agenda' nonsense. Sorry....how many years of Conservative government and what secret agenda? You mean like the one recently announced by Bob Rae's Liberals-to legalize pot?Now there's a real closet full (it's the current size of their caucus) of genius.


Dirty Harry
said

"What do people expect Harper to do?"1) Leave OAS alone for now, it's fine.2) Dump the jets program even USA says is overbudget. Big Money for super overpriced jets.3) Dump the uber expensive crime bill that the provinces are screaming at him they won't pay for.4) scale back PMO office.5) reduce MP's salaries.pensions.6) Dump Flaherty: useless ideas.7) Stop slyly dividing Canada, we use to be a great country. Stop pretending you're not Reform. 8) Never Prorogue anything again.9) Stop the SunNews fake Photo Ops, sad.10) End the Corporate Welfare. NOW!!!How's that?


Stephen Baker
said

Would all you "Harper haters" take a history lesson before you regurgitate the same old "excuses". Harper won a legal majority. Canadian PM's win all the time without 50%. That is what happens when you have 5 parties running. Chretien stayed in power without 50% when PC's and Reform split the vote. Stop being a sore loser. If we lived in "Fantasyland" and the NDP were in power, do you honestly believe they would consult the PC's and adopt any of their ideas in a budget? Stop being so naive. Harper won. if you don't like it get out and vote next time. Stephen in Calgary


2ndiceberg
said

I notice your selected comment: "I also am a senior it would not bother me if I had to work until 70 so my grand children would have oas. To you whiners if you work longer you will live longer."

If the writer is a senior, his or her OAS has already been paid for by the very people whose pensions will be affected by this. Now that it is their turn and you are okay, they should be dumped on and called "whiners"?

Your grandkids will be fine. Every actuarial expert has already said that the OAS plan is stable far into mid-century. By then the little bump caused by the baby-boomers will be long gone. Your government is LYING to you. They need to cut pensions and health care so that they can go on shovelling money to their wealthy friends.


Ralph Bain
said

Why should I have to work till 70 so Mr. Harper can get a $225.000.00 pension a year.
Those that support the conservative agenda will end up with the short end of the stick.


peter in mb
said

@ Canadian Bob… so are you saying that it was also un democratic when the Liberals won 3 back to back majorities and their 3ed was with only 37.6 % of the popular vote with only 53% of Canadians voting and the right was divided between the alliance and the old PC parties? But its not democratic that Stephen Harper's wins with just over 40% of the popular vote and 67% voter turn out and did not kiss Quebec’s back side to get a majority that represents 80% of the land mass in Canada? please send me your mailing address because I would like to send you some cheese to go along with your whine. I guess Haters got to hate.


BD
said

The simple way to deal with this is to base it on retirement income. Anything over $80,000 is not eligible for OAS over the age of 65. This cuts out the fat cat retirement packages of large company retirement and government worker"s including the politicians. This will leave enough to supplement the people that still contributed to the growth of our great country and that did not have the fortune of company retirement packages. Everyone should be able to have a comfortable retirement, not just the rich to have it all.


Tbay
said

Can we all say "1-term priminister"And even that is too much.


Dean in Abby
said

Who cares what the NDP has to say. During the last years in the minority gov'y era, they cost us Canadians many billions of dollars with their "support" which we all had to pay for. They are a non-relevant joke. I say Quebec can have them all. As I remember, majority rules. That's what we voted for and finally we have a gov't that will run the country like a business.

glimmertwins
said

I hear that the "big oil" companies
whom have rec'd great tax breaks,
are going to ask their workers to
take a 40% paycut...they know there are alot of unemployed and eager
immigrants willing to do their jobs at a much lesser rate....


Piobairean
said

I don't know of any employers that are jumping up and down in glee at the prospect of hiring people 65+. Perhaps the P.M. could send me a list?


Greg Orbman
said

@ Luiz Marchese. Agreed … many people have pointed out that the OAS increase is a small proportion of GDP. And the Conservatives keep comparing OAS spending in 2010 dollars to 2030 dollars (which assume 2.7% annual inflation) and then they create a crisis. Also, a huge proportion of the Government deficit is due to tax cuts. This is the Conservative agenda for cutting social programs, regardless of the facts. A Government that bases its decisions on false information, and pursues an ideological agenda despite the facts.


Patrick J YYC
said

Canadians are very smart for giving the smartest Prime Minister we have ever had the power that is needed. We as a great nation should be so proud and helpful.


lamorial
said

While some seniors may not mind working until age 70, there are many others who don't have that choice because of ill health. The other thing people forget is that seniors today and baby boomers have paid all their lives, certainly in the case of CPP, so that it would be available to them when they retired. That was the promise by governments. And now that they've taken our money, they'd like us to forget those promises. What's also interesting is that when Conservative governments are in power and they've spent all the surplus funds, they start chopping all manner of supports that previous generations have paid for. I say to Harper, find your savings in other places - like your own fat pensions (for every dollar MP's contribute, taxpayers contribute $5. And they have the audacity to
be planning cuts to OAS and CPP for seniors. This government has no shame! And we will fight back.


Stacy
said

Turmel says she wants to ensure the budget 'does not harm families or cut the services they rely on in these tough times.' YET - in the paragraph before it says she 'opposes the pipeline' - which anyone with a brain knows will create massive tax income and GDP for Canada. Where does she think the money comes from to FUND the services she doesn't want to see cut? What a complete hypocrite. The NDP are out of touch on how economics works. We need more MONEY brought into Canada so we can fund all these services. DUH!!


Fran
said

@Lg --- We were "spared" the problems other nations have encountered because we had a regulated banking system that prevented the corporate greed that caused the 2008 debacle. When in opposition, the CONS fought hard to deregulate the banking system, but were stopped by the Liberals, in power. We are not in the same position as other countries because of the Liberals and despite of the CONS. --- not quite the same. I miss the Liberals.


testy
said

the reformers have taken a good fiscal position in Canada and wrecked it.


Rick O
said

re: last 2 paragraphs- Reminds me of the arrogance and entitlement the libs are reknowned for


halvor e bjornesttad
said

Hal says: I worked from age 19 to 69. The first four years during WWII when I flew Spitfires. My dad retired at 67, but continue working on contract 'til he was over 70. All pensionable time, but we always paid contributions. I have been dancing to the bank with my pension cheques for more than 20 years (now pushing 90) and plan to do so for some more years. Working is good for you!!


SRV
said

We have a leader that refused to answer questions from the press and his public rallies during the election were closed to any opposition, while his campaign played the Tea Party demonize the other side card )with corporate funding) to perfection.

Occupy Harper's office and bring democracy back to Canada before Harper finishes the (Tea Party North) plan to gut our social programs and contiue the free ride for his corporate masters!


Lz in Edmonton
said

Everyone, OAS and CPP were designed back in the day when the average Canadian lived to age 72. Now people retire between 55 and 65 and live to 82 to 90. The average age now is 81 and that includes people who smoke, drink, etc.... its an AVERAGE. What that really means is people live easily to 85 onwards. NO government plan was designed for paying someone for 20 plus years with no contributions. If those that are 50 and younger do not realize this, you are looking at the next Greece in 20 years. TWO CHEERS for a government finally tackling this ticking time bomb. The NDP have their heads buried so far in the sand, they think gold is down there. Go harper go. A prime minister with some REAL cahonas... Finally


Lz in Edmonton
said

I will say, MP pensions need to be changed, that I will AGREE with.


Bob in YYC
said

If the NDP or Liberals had a majority you would never see a headline like this. It doesn't matter what is in the budget, the NDP won't like it. They don't like it when there are no cuts because then we don't have spending under control. Now they don't like it when there are cuts in the budget.


peter in mb
said

I agree with Doug ^^^ BC. You said it best, the opposition doesn't want to input anything useful because they are just a bunch of mouth pieces who blindly disagree with everything the conservative do to try and get votes. They like their trained seal followers are Haters and haters must hate anyone who dose not agree with them. It is unfortunate that they can not put that much energy to creating instead of hate. Because Hate does not create. Hate only destroys and in the end destroys it self. Hence the liberal party demise.


King Hughes
said

@sang riel:

If what you say is done, who is going to pay for all your needs when you retire? Taxpayers?


Dr. Ted Siverns
said

It seems obvious that since the poorest will not be able to retire at 65 the solution is quite simple: All the new and expanded prisons will be available for those people who from the age of 65 to 67 will be able to get food and shelter for two years less a day.

There is perhaps a reason for the new prisons after all.


Taxpayer
said

Keep tax rates down? The HST was a 6 billion dollar transfer of tax from corps to individuals, the debt is a tax plus interest Canadians will have to pay eventually. CPP goes up every year. If Steve and the Cons asked their corp. friends to pay the debt they would decide Canada was an unfriendly place to do business and leave like Caterpillar. The Caterpillar case just high lights the poor judgement that comes along with the extreme right wing wacky agenda.Transformation? Going the wrong way and being unable to change direction is usually what governments like to call transformation.


DGRose
said

The CPC need to have a vision and then table the budget based on that, otherwise we're going nowhere. If the Opposition actually has valid talking points then the CPC need to take them under consideration. At least now the Conservatives won't have to suffer through endless threats of confidence votes for not wholesale tabling the Opposition's policies.

I'd like to see Harper go after MP and Senator pensions to roll those back a bit. I don't mind if they get pretty good pensions, but these gold-plated pensions they currently have are ludicrous and the biggest affrontery to funding OAS.

As for job creation, the Opposition - particularly the NDP - needs to stop attacking the oilsands at every turn. The oilsands are the biggest employer and they are powering the national economy. We are not a manufacturing nation, we are an exporting nation full of natural resources... Come up with viable alternatives or quit whining that you want to have your cake and eat it, too.


Erik
said

What do people expect Harper to do? Millions of people refuse to save for their retirement and expect the government to bail them out, This isn't a socialist society, theres this thing called an RRSP and a pension, find them and contribute.

You haven't seen nothing yet, Theres no way we can support the vast amount of government services people are expecting, Heath care, OAS, CPP... If people didn't abuse them so much maybe they wouldn't be forced into this situation. If you think the NDP and Liberals can do any better keep dreaming, that money has to come from somewhere...


KJ in Calgary
said

Thats how it now is in Harper's Canada...no one else matters. Remember this quote: "You won't recognize Canada when I am through with it!"


Rick
said

Harper needs to stop with the corporate tax cuts, as the company I used to work for laid off over 500 people accross Canada, and sent those jobs down to the USA to their head office in Michigan. Great waste of money Harper. Thanks for NOT saving Canadain jobs, but acting like you're doing the right thing anyway. Conservatives are like cattle, now if we could get you all to go south too.


Canadian Bob
said

Stephen Harper's squeaky majority position in Ottawa is far from democratic. To many, he is not the Prime Minister at all. The numbers tell the real story with this, and no matter how hard the Conservative peanut gallery tries to cover it up, the truth is far more transparent than this government will ever get to accomplish in what will likely be it's last term on the side of the house it currently and unjustly occupies.


Terry Hall
said

Ignoring Canadians: a Harper tradition.


Luiz Marchese
said

OAS represents only 2,4% of government spending. By 2030, estimates say it will represent 3,1% -- or probably more around 2,7% if we factor in the growth of the economy. Funny that Canada can afford huge corporate tax cuts that turn liberal surpluses into a major deficit, but can't afford a slight increase in the cost of Old Age Security. Budgeting is about priorities. And we know what this government's priorities are. I miss the Liberals.


ripcanada
said

hm. the neocon shills are out in force today. everyone else knows that harpo is simply making it look like he gives a spit what the opposition says. he'll do whatever he wants to anyway.


Bumcrack USA
said

Of highest importance to Harper is his sacred corporate tax cuts that - for this year only - is reducing federal revenues by $13 billion. According to a recent Canadian Labout Congress study (check CLC website), these tax cuts are not creating jobs, just more moeny for Corporations. You and I are paying for those cuts in the form of cut services, lost jobs and OAS changes.--- Harper is taking from us and giving to corporations.


LG
said

I am really grateful for people like Prime Minister Harper and Mark Carney and others who understand these difficult economic times and how to navigate through them. Pretty much everyone here is feeling the pinch and some policy decisions under these circumstances will certainly not be popular. It is still important to remember that we have been spared much of the severity of what other countries (including our neighbours to the south) are experiencing. If you are unsure of the accuracy of that statement, do a little travelling and see for yourself.


Ottawa Jack
said

Unfortunately, OAS has become a disguised form of government welfare. Unlike the CPP, Canadians DO NOT pay into a funded OAS pension plan but rather just collect the money. Every Canadian has options ( such as RRSPs ) to plan & enhance their own retirement, Deferring the OAS by 2 years ( to age 67 ) would force & ensure more personal retirement planning and have less dependancy upon the government unfunded 'welfare' OAS.. Whatever the starting age of OAS , a means test should be applied to ensure credibility . Still waiting to read about the MPs & Senators pension adjustments.


Brian in BC
said

You people should go to "Service Canada" and read about the OAS before you comment. It is not an automatic payout, there are conditions. Basically you earn 1/40th of it for each year you live in Canada after the age of 18, so 'newer arrivals' don't just walk in and start collecting.You people who think the NDP is so great, here is a wake up call.....40 years ago the NDP were elected in BC for the first time....we are still paying for that mistake. They spent our hard earned money like they had won the lottery and then maxed out our "credit cards" after the savings were gone. We can't afford a "borrow and spend" style of government.


ggcarere
said

great headline--despite ctv input harper unlikely to alter budget course--we can all see whose side you are on ggcarere toront


Linda in Vancouver
said

LOL!!! Hey Chris Vogel. It's ignorant posts like yours that have more seniors living in poverty.Did you even read it before you pushed "send". Imagine how horrible it would be if people retired and lived off of their stock dividends and interest on their savings bonds. OMG! The sky would be falling in if people actually have their own money to live on. THAT is exactly what the socialists do not want. They want you to be totally dependent on government. That gives them total control of your lives.They can then force you to keep working,because they have all the money, while you have none of your own. For whatever it's worth to your non thinking ideology, my bank provides me with financial advice, and it costs me very little. If people who are now seniors had had this kind of advice, and the same access to financial planning as most of us have today,very few of them would be in poverty today.History shows us,very clearly,that they had a better sense of value for money and personal responsibility than people like Chris Vogel. Chris. If you want socialism or communism, move to a country that already has the system you prefer.. There is no place for either in Canada.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Len: Is a "dictator" someone who wins a majority government in a parliamentary democracy? Does a "dictator" consult with the Opposition over a budget, the fact of which forms the basis of this story? Not a truly sensible comment, Len; however, I appreciate the partisan frustration that seemingly fueled it. (I won't address your comical assertion about me being "naive," as it was empty of argumentative support.) Thanks. Have a dandy weekend.


Doug ^^^ BC
said

I actually think Harper WOULD like some input into upcoming changes. ince any changes are years away, he is unlikely to be PM when they actually come into being. The problem is, that the opposition doesn't want to input anything useful. They have two reasons to take that position.First,if we actually got a better system,and one that could be fiscally sound for generations to come, Harper would get a "thumbs up". Not exactly what either the NDP or the Liberals are looking for. And secondly, the opposition needs to convince all those who like the Nanny state, that they are on their side. Modest changes to this plan are the right things to do for our children. For example,clawing back OAP does not start now until you have almost $69,000 of other income. Why don't we send $00 OAP to people making a good income,and more to people in poverty? Add a couple of years to the age requirement,but ONLY to those who have low incomes from other sources,AND who can no longer work. The problem I have with the NDP on this issue, is that they support Olivia Chow's bill,which gives OAP to immigrants after only 3 years of living in Canada,as opposed to the current 10 years. And there is no requirement that they actually work and pay income taxes in Canada. The NDP is all about the "Welfare State".It's for people who pay no taxes,but draw on every one else's earnings. It's unfortunate that both our political system,and our people approach every issue in such adversarial ways,and with their narrow self interests in mind. Were that not the case,we would have no hysteria, and maybe get some sane discussions on public policy.


Canada Strong Economy
said

I am not worried about Canada on the world stage- the power mongers can do that- I am worried about surviving without jumping off a bridge in the this country.... who gives a ------- what or how we look internationally..


Canada is dead...and so are so many of it's people
said

I don't see Stephen Harper sweating over how many people he is just about to kill- poverty kills.... for all those people who chant-just go get a job- don't be dumb asses-if you have a good job- it's not what you did-it's how lucky you were to be in the right place at the right time. I have post-secondary education and 30 years of work experience (valuable). I could outwork a lot of the dead wood whose positions are secure- if Harper leaves you employed at my expense- I will be (and my family) in bad shape. I don't have the time of day for the know it alls - who need to stop the BS... and let people find their way- without your ridiculous input ...


Steve
said

Roll back corporate tax cut is the most important thing at this day and age.

Fairness, I understand, is not a topic of interest to the Harper government. He and his Conservative cronies are just interested in giving the rich more and more.




Keeder
said

It is stupid that the Liberal leader would not meet one on one with Harper. This is where real work gets done. As always, they prefer to grandstand and twist topics as a kind of play. They have no substance - only actors.


D in Wpg
said

Obviously Harper will do what he wants. If he thinks that Canadians can't see through the pretense of asking the Opposition for budget advice then he must think we are pretty stupid.


Ottawa Jack
said

Reading thie CTV article has just convinced me more that Turmel & the NDP have no clue about the economics of runnung the country. The easiest job around is to be the leader of the Opposition & ctritisize every government action but have no clear concrete plans to offer. Reality is that priorites must be set & decisions must be made.. Onward with PM Harper & team, who got elected into a majority government by a larger percentage of Canadians than Chretian did.


Chris Vogel
said

Yet more effort by the Harper government to make their rich friends richer. After all, they pay for re-election and who knows what else. Reducing public pensions forces people to pay financial planners and buy stocks and bonds. Regardless which way the prices go, brokers and speculators make money and ordinary citizens get shafted.


mike
said

OAS should be based on the same method as CPP, the time you spend working in Canada and paying taxes will give you what your allowed as a working Canadian. This would reduce the immigrants who come here just for the free ride and go back to their country of origin. To collect OAS would require the immigrant to stay here to collect it and have them pay their fare share of taxes.


Dale
said

Steph, Are you seriously going to label all people in their early twenties as lazy stay at homes? Wow! You must have no idea how hard it is for new graduates to find work in today's world. People in their early twenties want to work. They have more debt all ready than you could ever imagine. This debt comes from 3 to 5 years of post secondary school, which is a must. Try graduating and getting ready for the rest of your life with a debt of 20 to 40 grand all ready over your head. Nice way to start the rest of your life. Not to mention that the jobs that pay well just aren't around like they used to be. Why should I go get a job that pays minimum wage. That wouldn't cover the ability to pay rent, loans, and other bills. Staying home, for those that have to, is a last resort not a first option.I am tired of people blaming young people for all the problems in the world. Get off our backs. We just want to be a productive member of society.


arty
said

Canadian Bob, I don't know How you think and do not realy care. You are living in a dream if you think the ndp could run Canada. The ndp after 9 or 10 years in b.c. had us broke. the ndp kept saskatchewan down for many decades. They think they know but like you they just don't know.


Len
said

@ Prof. Pye Chartt: we all realize that you worship our dictator in Ottawa but in other regards, about other people, parties and such - your naivety is so overwhelming that many of us roar with laughter.


mike!
said

Hey Mike, the reason you are living paycheck to paycheck is the taxes you pay. If you add up all the taxes you pay from federal, provincial, municipal, and all taxes on what you purchase you would be lucky to have 25% to 30% after all the taxes are paid.This is why you are living paycheck to paycheck, while the politicians live high on the hog.


Mike
said

Dear Leader Harper is too arrogant to listen to what Canadians say so I doubt that he will Listen to the opposition


christopher Owen Sound
said

Cut the Fat Cats getting OAS.. Start with the politicians and millionaires... then their will be lots of $$ around for those whom need it...


Once Proud Canadian
said

Harper wants Opposition input - BULL! Harper is not the least bit interested in what the Opposition has to say and will certainly not make any changes they want. This is all just another manipulation to make it APPEAR as if he's open to suggestions. Harper is all about optics and spin. Such BS!


Stewie
said

Will, only 25% of eligible voters voted for Harper in the last election. The 40% of voters that didn't vote didn't feel there was anyone worth voting for but with the damage Harper has done in the short time of his phoney majority he has done enough damage that these voters will be out in full force next election just to vote him out. Harper's corporate tax cuts have created a massive debt only an idiot would think Harper is doing a good job. If they were to ban tin foil hats everyone would vote liberal.


arty
said

I also am a senior it would not bother me if I had to work until 70 so my grand children would have oas. To you whiners if you work longer you will live longer .


GHW
said

Some people put too much of themselves into politics. We live in a democracy with a diverse culture, try to be a bit more constructive. The European model has failed because left ideology has failed. The kind of entitlement that some opportunistic politicians promise was never a reality and never will be. Families need to look after their own. As for the OAS, something has to be done for its long term sustainability and Harper is simply man enough to get this necessary conversation started. Lets sell our bitumen while it's still in demand. The world needs energy and the sky will not fall from an increased level of CO2. Our current government is not perfect but seems to be doing a reasonably good job for now. Canada is the best country in the world.


dualstrats
said

"No doubt because we make ourselves very clear in the House," said Daniel Lauzon. hahahahaha...go steve go


Raymond
said

Why are relatively solvent Canadians so dependent on the welfare state? OAS should be reserved for the poorest of the poor.


Franck commonsens
said

As Harper has already received apx 10 MILLIONS in cumulative salaries and pensions so far ( 4 salaries and associated pensions), does that mean that he will first reduce HIS salaries instead of making all Canadians poorer and poorer?? He could at least PAY for his idiotic weekly haircut...


sam
said

Hope the cons do go after the pensions. All the NDP will have to do in the next election is run on reversing the policy and they will sweep all regions east of the prairies and win in a landslide. Can't believe even the corporate cons could be so stupid to implement a policy that would bring their own destruction. Then again they did give us the GST that sent them into darkness.


tob
said

OAS... No SENIOR with an income above 40,000$ should be receiving any OAS. A single person can live quite well on $40,000 .



Archiebunker
said

All things for all people is stupid and with people wanting the cake and eating it too. Listen, stop living in a dream world. The World is in trouble and yes, they should be hitting the pensions in the government first. I agree. But to just complain about everything but change nothing is just ridiculous. I"m not sure what's going to work, but the last thing you want is what's happening in the States. I'm down there alot and I see how hard they've been hit. It's coming this way folks, and don't think that voting the Liberals and NDP is going to stop this. It's going to make it worse. Conservatives are the best thing we have to with stand this. I"m not saying they are perfect, no government party is. But Canada is still one of the strongest economic countries in the world because of them. So give them a chance and lets not let Canada fall like the rest of the countries in the world.


T E Payne
said

@ Hilton Shand. You say that reduced Government Revenues account for 53% of the Government deficit. Reducing Government Revenue is the whole point. The Conservatives are going to cut back government programs. Then the will be no deficit even though Government Revenue is reduced.


Steph
said

Reform in pension plans is a must, no question about it but so is a reform in our welfare system. I cannot comprehend why a young adult in his/her early 20's is not even trying to seek employment and would rather stay at home at the expenses of the taxpayers. This mentality that has been spread from one generation to another needs to be stopped. On the other hand the people that`"truly" need social welfare would/should receive more. Now for all the "against the government no matter what" people out there, why don't you wait until the budget comes out before you start the oh so ever annoying ranting and bashing of the elected government! Complaining without bringing another alternative solution is downright counter productive.


gregoryd`
said

Figures they will mess with the oas cuz I am getting older. Next they will be issuing suicide pills to old people so they can do their country a favor and save money. hmmm Well "I guess" it is better than what that senator wants for prisoners , I think they only get a rope. Now I know this is a stretch :-) but who knows eh.


Mike
said

Again, no one is saying you can't retire at 65 (or 55, or 60, or any age). The Government will not give you OAS until 67. You can rely on CPP. You can rely on your own retirement savings. You can rely on your work retirement plan. I shouldn't have to subsidize you because you think you deserve to retire at 65.


Chris
said

@Sang Riel What you eat when you retire is directly linked with how much the government subsidizes you after 65? This is an unsustainable program. I am a husband and father of two. We live essentially paycheque to paycheque, but I'm not shaking my fist at the sky wondering why the government doesn't give me more money. Have you seen what is happening in Europe? I appreciate a government who is willing to make tough decisions and take care of our country in the long term.


Will
said

I see the usual suspects are off to an early start. Too bad they haven't allowed reality to sink in but why let facts taint a good rant. You constantly shriek that Harper and the Conservatives failed to get majority support, but you miss some important points-most important, that those who didn't show up to vote actually did vote for the party that won the election and formed the government. So the Conservatives actually DID get majority support from the public. As to opposition input, input is not the same thing as approval, control over, or a veto. We can all expect the ndp and libs to vote against the budget (a meaningless stance under these conditions) mainly because they have no clue what their role in opposition is. Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition's role is not to oppose everythign the government does, but to provide another voice in Parliament, to advise and assist the government, and in extremis then to oppose. Too bad the children haven't learned how the sandbox is meant to run. We will now return to the background noise of the Harper Haters who will try to drown the reasonable people out.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Couldn't help but laugh at the close of the story. The interim leader of the decimated Liberal party not asked for his budgetary input. What a blow to "Back-Row Bob" and his entitled and electorally indignant Liberal gang. (Put a bandaid on that ego.) Sure, Bobby; it's because you're so darn prominent and effective in the House of Commons that our PM doesn't "need" to consult with you. Whatever helps you swallow that bitter parliamentary pill. (It, however, sounds less pathetic than saying to the media, "Well, our invitation to meet with the Prime Minister to discuss the forthcoming budget must have been lost in the mail or trashed by a SPAM filter. We're sure that the P.M.O. sent one. We're looking into it.")


Canadian Bob
said

If only it were as simple as you think jasper12, and it's likely going to be that very mindset that finishes Harper and company in the next election. Have fun in that imaginary little world of yours, you have enough company in it to make up a minority fraction of the population of the country.


newt10ca
said

If Mr. Harper is so bent on changeing pensions, why doesn't he start with the gold plated pensions. Nobody needs that kind of a pension, especially the politicans. If he wants a better budget, start cutting through the fat an gravy of the politicans benefits. They all are rich to begin with, that is how they got into politics. If they don't pay taxes, they don't deserve the pensions from the taxpayers hard earned money.


Alan
said

And we now know why the NDP is not in power. All things for all people seems to be their rallying cry but they cannot make the hard decisions and that is where they always get into trouble. With the increasing number of people reaching the OAS level perhaps there is a need to change the age but I expect there will be about a 10 year lead time.


Kmacd
said

OAS needs to be revamped there’s the baby boomers bubble that needs supporting, time to stop the fear mongering and have a serious discussion or we will end up like Greece with unaffordable social programs.


sandy ns
said

The NDP were flash in the pan, as opposition they are lousy I agree with the PM, raise OAS from 65 to 67, get it over with. I am a senior, I can handle it! but will my children have OAS? yes if he raises the age


MDHinDC
said

I am not as informed on many of the matters that are reported in the media, but I know a few things that come with time's passage. No one, not a coporation, not an individual, and not a governement, can continue to run a defecit ad infinitum. In a democracy, it is far too easy to pass the hard jobs on to the next governement, so that "we have a better chance of being re-elected". This perspective is what puts countries like Greece, Italy, Portugal, and possibly the USA into the unenviable position of trying to fill in a hole with money that is needed to drive the economy. It's like a gerbel on a wheel in a cage. If you read a National Post article written recently about why Canada does not refine their oil her, you would understand that we are already overcapacity for refinery space given our flat-line demand for fuel. As Winston Churchill once said, "the best argument against democracy can be gained in spending a few minutes with one of the voters".


Don
said

Sorry Sang Riel, the PCs have a majorty government so you can forget about a non confidence vote. Boy all I can say is that the NDP posters are up early this morning.


Hilton Shand
said

Although real GDP has grown by 3.3% since 2006; reduced Government Revenue is responsible for 53% of the aggregate Government Deficit. (Since 2006, aggregate Government Revenue has decreased by -2.4% GDP; while the aggregate Government Deficit is -4.5% GDP.) The only thing Tax Cuts have accomplished is increase the Government deficit. Continuing these Tax Cuts with this budget is irresponsible. This Government has undermined Consumer Confidence and that is bad for business.


roy
said

Oh pardon me I thought this was CBC with all the Harper bashing, as a senior this is not going to hurt anyone even now if people want to retire at fifty they are able to do so it all comes down to how well you prepare yourself for retirement and I'm sure anyone can put a few dollars away to keep themselves for a couple of years. I also believe anyone making over 60000 per year should not receive OAS.


Robert B
said

I see the abc's are still salivatng, still can't see that your belovides are down the proverbial tubes!!!!!! Can't accept true progressive government instead of governments of entitlements... Get over it already.


D. Vancouver
said

I really dislike Harper and cannot wait for him to be out of power. I have written my Con MP. Cynthia Chan and received no reply. A means test for OAS would make more sense to me.


V
said

The government doesn't own any of the oil. It is owned by the oil companies as are the pipelines. The governments roll in this is to help facilitate it's sale abroad.
Keystone was killed for purely political reasons, not environment concerns.
If corporations are allowed to prosper they create jobs. Keystone would have created 10's of thousands of them if it were allowed but politics and activists got their way.



spencer
said

Turmel and the NDP are opposed to pipelines????..... and just how are we to get the oil to a refinery ????.... but they want measures to create jobs....the pipeline would create thousands of jobs and enshure a viable market for our resource. Oh, that's right, the NDP are the OPPOSITION...... they have taken that notion to heart..... they OPPOSE everything just to look important. GOTCHA...... getting that sound bite on the 6 pm news is job #1


Smoke Rings - Ottawa
said

Was it not years ago that the age to collect OAS was at 70 years and brought down to 65 years and now may be put back to 67..just wondering. Harper did not say he "was" going to do it only that they were looking at it..too bad that the NDP and Liberal are insulting the intelligence of Seniors with all the fear mongering. We know in Ontario that when Bob Rae was Premier NDP when the MPP's pensions were modernized he walked away with a "MILLION DOLLARS" so obviously he does not have to worry one bit, but could possibly affect baby boomers in their 30's and 40's now as there may not be the money there for them when they do reach retirement. But guess as long as we Seniors keep on getting our money, to heck with our kids down the road.


NS
said

We could create all the jobs we need here in Canada if the government was not in such a hurry to sell our crude oil off to make a quick buck while they are in power. We should be refining most of that oil in Canada, and then exporting and selling the finished products worldwide. The creation of the new refineries, and the manning of them would create hundred of thousands of jobs, long term! Do not throw away our natural resources for a quick buck!!!!


Mary
said

That is ok, there will be other elections where this man's damage can be undone. No one better forget the page in parliament that held up the sign, "Harper has to be stopped." That is what elections are for.


Larry i ontario
said

In spite of s huge public backlash on OAS, Harper in his stubborness is bound to push it through. He does not have the right with a majority to push it threw when he did not win the popular vote. This will be devistating to millions of poor Canadains and I for one will never forget this outragous display of stubborness from the Harper government! Harper does not care what anyone thinks. Neither do his MP's. I have written to my MP, Mr. Fantino on numerous occasions, and not recieved a reply. These MP's need to understand that they represent the people and they need to reply to their concerns. They seem to have plenty of money for mega jails, useless fighter jets that we do not need and wasted millions on fake lakes and the g8 summitt. Its time the public protest and insist on a roll back of MP's wages and pennsions that they do not deserve. Any cuts to the public sector will be met with massive protests of the Canadian public who will not stand for the waste and miss use of our hard earned tax dollars! I often wonder if Harper or his merry band of wasteful MP's ever read these letters or if they care?


Sang Riel
said

Can you say non confidence vote ? Get the Cons out of power ASAP. Contact your local N.D.P. MP. Or end up eating cat food when you retire.Your Call. Make It.


jasper12
said

Excuse me but the NDP is talking out of both sides of there mouth, first they want the gov't to focus on job creation but yet they want to put a stop to the Oil Sands. The Oil Sands will be looking for 100,000 workers in the next 10 years enough people for a small city, now if that's not job creation I don't know what is. This is why the NDP will never become Gov't and will be knocked down to 3rd. party recognition after the nex't election.


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