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I'd like to know what this group has done before I start complaining about the government de-funding it. Saying it's for the environment sounds great, but what do they actually DO? Do they go out and plant trees? Do they buy land for conservation? What do they actually do!?

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Ottawa pulls funding for Canadian Environmental Network

Date: Friday Oct. 14, 2011 7:03 PM ET

An environmental umbrella group wants Ottawa to reverse a decision to pull its funding, though the government says the move is necessary during a time of fiscal restraint.

The Canadian Environmental Network (RCEN) received notice Thursday that it would not receive $547,000 in core funding that the government had previously said it intended to provide.

Olivier Kolmel, the chairman of the organization's board of directors, said Ottawa did not give any warning that it would cut off its funding next year.

"If we would have had warning and we had known several months ahead of time, we could plan for some kind of transitional model, to move on to a different financial model," Kolmel told CTVNews.ca in a telephone interview on Friday morning.

The RCEN has existed for more than three decades and includes more than 600 member organizations from across Canada.

It has supported environmental groups with networking, communication and co-ordination services and helped the government arrange consultations.

Environmentalists denounced Ottawa's move, saying the decision to pull funding is part of a systematic Conservative campaign to weaken the green movement.

"Don't be fooled. This isn't about austerity. It's vindictive petty politics -- part of a systematic campaign by right-wing extremists to marginalize voices of the environment," John Bennett, the executive director of Sierra Club Canada, said in a statement.

With news of the abrupt funding change, RCEN is now scrambling to try to get Environment Canada to reverse its decision, while preparing for layoffs within the organization.

According to Kolmel, Environment Canada indicated in its notice to RCEN that it made its decision after conducting a review of the finances for grants and contributions within the government department.

A spokesperson for Environment Minister Peter Kent confirmed that the department would be pulling the RCEN funding.

"Environment Canada has decided not to enter into a contribution agreement with the Canadian Environmental Network this fiscal year," Melissa Lantsman told CTVNews.ca in an email on Friday.

"Responsible spending and sound management of tax dollars are important at all times. During difficult economic times, Canadians expect the government to be even more vigilant."

Lantsman said Environment Canada intends to move towards "a more direct use of web-based consultation" in future.

"The intent is to expand on these to not only provide comments on discussion papers, but to invite stakeholders to submit ideas or policy solutions on the Government's environmental priorities."

But Kolmel said that if the government cuts ties with RCEN, they will be losing out on a valuable resource that would be very costly to replace.

"We have been around for 30 years and we have millions of volunteer hours that have been given by our membership," said Kolmel.

Megan Leslie, the environment critic for the New Democrats, said the government cannot justify ending the funding for RCEN.

"The government has told RCEN that this decision is part of a cost-efficiency plan, but given the important role this organization plays, cancelling their funding will likely have expensive, long-term consequences," Leslie said in a statement.

"This decision just doesn't make sense financially, and it will endanger the health and sustainability of our environment."

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Hilton Shand
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The Conservatives spend lots of money on Conservative supporters. Those supporters are going to learn eventually that demagogues are interested only in their own power. Democracy has been undermined before by these type of demagogues. There is no reason to believe that it cannot happen here if we do not recognize the warnings.


david
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The loons of the left will support anything with the word "environmental" in it, never knowing exactly what the organization does. Just packs of sheep, blindly following the likes of Al Gore and David Zuzuki


Jules in Ottawa
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Gosh, as a girl I *just can't seem to wrap my little brain around finance like the Conservatives can...

we CAN'T afford to support environmental orgs - we CAN afford the many person hours it will take to set the procedures for, and install photos of the Queen, in every Cdn embassy worldwide.

we CAN'T afford scientists at Environment Canada - we CAN afford to add "Royal" to letterhead, uniforms, and documents for our Army/Navy/Air forces.

we CAN'T afford the jobs at Consulting & Audit Canada (that are now gone)- we CAN afford to spend tax dollars promoting the rights of the Cdn flag (which was never in jeopardy to begin with)

Just some of the Cans and Cants of Cant-a-da





Ned
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Trying to spin this as a cost-cutting measure is ludicrous coming from a government that just announced $28 million in funding for the commemoration of the War of 1812. Don't believe me? Look it up. I say spending $500,000 a year for our future is more valuable than spending $23 million on the past.


Mike
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"If we would have had warning and we had known several months ahead of time, we could plan for some kind of transitional model, to move on to a different financial model"How many months warning do you need? This is three months, a quarter of a year? Would you have been satisfied with 4? or maybe 7? No, you would have complained just as much.


NS
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Cutting the tax fat off with a organization that does not seem to have a role, sounds good to me. Posts that bash our present government for supporting the oil industry and then bash the government for letting jobs go overseas.. need to rethink their position. You cannot not have it both ways.


beetlebaum
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I have a sneaking suspicion Harpo has hired a whole "gaggle of babblers" to post comments under the name of Prof Pie Chart. The posts are just too well-written to be from the pen (or keyboard) of a single Neocon supporter!


verheek
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Oh we've already got this disposal fee in Ontario. $15.00 per LCD monitor!

A time of fiscal restraint can do without the inflated green movement that only was possible during the illusion of massive wealth before the economic crash.

Wind and solar energy are fine for small setups but a disaster for replacing fossil fuel and nuclear plants.


Jim McB
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Take a look at the organization and you will find a bunch of politically motivated left wingers feeding at the public trough. (i.e. Sierra Club) It is about time that if these people want something to say they get elected instead of eating away at our government while being funded by taxpayers who have no control over their appointments or actions. This is another good move by the government, cutting away the trash that producess nothing more than media articles.


grizz
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to JP: I did live in Alberta. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. NEWSFLASH: only Albertans think Alberta is wonderful.


NEW TAX, NEW TAX, NEW TAX !!!!
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These enviro nuts are costing nothing but money ! As of October 1, 2011 the BC government is adding a NEW TAX called a recycling fee to all small appliances. On a small shop vacuum it was $5.25 There was no announcement made telling people about this NEW TAX ! Watch your receipts people. The HST was voted out and I warned the people that the government would compensate by raising green levies, etc. the NEW TAX is applied to all small electric appliances. This gree enviro crap is just another excuse for the BC government to pick taxpayers' pockets. Enough already ! Shut them down !!!!!


Kevin
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This is the conservative agenda. You voted for it.


Dave in Edm
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Bob from Calgary, Lester B Pearson was born just outside of Toronto... Oddly enough, the same general area that Stephen Harper was born and Raised!!!


Tridus
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Well we can't afford programs like this in these economic times... we need the money to pay for all the extra politicians and MP pensions Harper wants to create!

Priorities, people!


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Your Boss: Thank-you. When you're capable of tackling the story/topic at hand, or intelligently quarreling with a posted comment, instead of resorting to childishly invalid observational quips that bespeak the very personal political annoyance that overwhelms you, kindly bless us. That's really what these forums are for. Take care. (P.S. My citizenship is all Canadian.)


NS
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A good tax savings on a useless organization. Thanks Stevie.


@bob the western yahoo
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I hate to burst you bubble there chief but your western hero, Stephen Harper, was born in Toronto. He's one of the "Eastern bozo's" you very graciously wished a pox upon. Remember there, chiefaroo, long before Oilberta started digging in the dirt to mine oil, it was Ontario's manufacturing sector that shipped off billions of dollars to keep afloat what was nothing more than a poop stop on the CPR. Remember too, there chief, it's your kids and grand kids that will be dying of all the cancers your glorious oil industry is unleashing on it's surroundings. Frankly, I see the upside but your opinion may differ. So while your casting a pox on us in the east, it's your own bed your pooping in, there chief.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Your Boss: Thank-you kindly. And, don't forget, that I give electorally bitter anti-Conservative folks such as yourself an invalid reason to post comments that have nothing to do, whatsoever, with the topic/story at hand...which, of course, says everything about you. Take care, my friend.


Axel-BC
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If any of you people want to know, or wonder, what this group does, the answer can be found by googling. I'll give a link here so you don't have to type and do the work yourselves; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Environmental_NetworkFor those that think democracy is a sham, and do not want to be informed about government policies or to have an influence in government policies, then yes, I suppose this could be considered "fat" that needs to be removed, after all, as a political leader, why would you want your potential voters to understand or to influence your environmental policies? Out of sight, out of mind. Now we can get away from issues concerning peoples health and the environment we leave for our children, when we can talk about building more prisons, yet continue to let serious sexual offenders free, talk about abortion overseas, and gay marriage/rights, changing the words in the Canadian anthem and renaming places so they are more politically correct, so we don't offend people that just cannot grow up? Yup. Sounds perfectly logical in the insane word of politics. Forget the overuse of government planes to the tune over over $1 million from just one official, and almost $2 million in total usage by many officials in just one month, and waste of money to build a fake lake that's used for a week, etc.http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/09/23/mackay-challenger-flights.htmlWait, there's nothing to see over here, look over there, see the shiny little balls, aren't they pretty...


Phil in London
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About time we leave the pseudo-scientists to fend for themselves.


Steve, Bolton, Ontario
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Hey Bob,Calgary,ALberta . . I voted for Mr. Harper and agree with your assessment of him, however please don't call me or the other thousands who also voted for him an "eastern bozo"
Why don't you grow up and save the outdated provincialism for the kids.



beetlebaum
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"sucking at the taxpayers teat" must be the latest literary gambit of the neocons. now if we could also get rid of the "boo hoo" and "mommy and daddy's basement" crowd we might actually engage in adult discourse.


Marlene in Toronto
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@Bob,Calgary, Alberta
You just prove how ignorant and clueless many of you CON supporters can be: Stephen Harper was born and raised in TORONTO, ONTARIO. He later moved to Alberta where his only job was as the mailroom boy of an oil company where his father also worked. It is no wonder he has no problem whatsoever of attacking Environment Canada and the green movement while spending OUR money doing PR for the oil industry, which is also subsidized by OUR money.
BTW: when the environment in Alberta is inevitably ruined, as the oilsands are not properly monitered, and you or your children have no clean air or drinking water, remember which PM you think is the "best".


Will
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X COn: this is a private lobby group not an agency of the government. These are NOT Government of Canada employees, they are parasites.


Amazed and Confused
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I agree with some of the comments that lean towards the opinion that groups such as this should be self sustaining, especially with 600 member organizations. Yes, those "members" should be paying a "membership fee" to be on a shopping list that is used to get them contracts and consultation work which in turn earn them 10 times the half million a year of taxpayer dollars. A no-brainer. Even though I support Environment Canada's decision in this matter, I still think the Cons need to be put in their place and stop treating taxpayers like idiots. I wonder how they would feel if they suddenly lost THEIR funding?? We're just as guilty as the government that some of you elected into power... we all throw our tax money into a bottomless pit like some fairytale wishing-well.


canada4
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If greenpeace can afford to launch a new boat. Let the others get their funding from them.


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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I see the thumbs up on Ivan's comment outnumber the thumbs down votes. So I guess my fellow Canadians would rather that Alberta (and B.C. and Saskatchewan) not generate the vast majority of Canada's wealth and you just rely on the dying maufacturing industries of Ontario and the bankrupt Province of Quebec to support your welfare. Or is it just that you can't accept that the best Prime Minister Canada has ever seen comes from that dastardly province of Alberta. A pox on you Eastern bozos.


Sb
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Some of you folks seem absolutely oblivious. Calling this group a terrorist organization demonstrates such profound ignorance of the nature of terrorism that it defies reason and deeply dishonors those who have DIED at the hand of real terrorists. Honestly, some of you need serious self-examination.



Jeff in Ontario
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Those that comment on Harper's "agenda" should consider that they, too have an "agenda". Just because you leftists think that the environment should be issue no. 1, above jobs, above defense, above the economy, in fact above alll else, does not make you correct. Nor does it makes you smarter than a conservative. All it makes you is an idealog. Worse, you currently have no power in government to put your view into practice. Now, why do you think that might be the case?


Laurie
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I would like to see Planned Parenthood cut off as well


Kevin Wallace
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The money it takes to fund this network is a tiny fraction of the corporate welfare our government shells out to their buddies in the oil business -- and then tries to pull the wool over our eyes about it. We're the world's newest and dirtiest oil republic, corrupted by greed. If you travel (not just hang out at a resort) you'll learn this. We know there are better ways, but instead of rising to the challenge, we vote in anyone who'll pander to our fear and ignorance. Shame on everyone who supports these short-sighted, self-serving thugs. And kudos to those who still care about the world our children will inherit. We can do much better, if we choose to!


Jane Canadian
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Harper should stop giving welfare to oil companies to the tune of $1.4B/year in subsidies. http://action.davidsuzuki.org/subsidy CEN should be funded their lousy half a mil tp help them protect your air, land and water. Harper and Co. don't have a clue about sustainability.


Surprise, surprise
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We're talking about a government that beams from ear to ear at the sight of millions of acres of forests stripped clean and trillions of tons of soil removed to expose goopy sand to get the oil out. They love killing billions of animals in their quest for the black gold. You don't believe for a second that they give a flying duck about the environment, do you?


Russ
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Lets put this into perspective. The environment is not on the top of the list of things to do at the moment. The Cons are more concerned with the economy, which is great, but the employment numbers are not that great either. Enviromental groups have a way of the showing us the blantant truth whether you want to believe or not. When the truth becomes to painful to hear, you make believe it does exist and go about your day. Cutting funding to RCEN will not change what we already know and it will not make the problem go away. Sure, you could bury your head in the sand, but sooner or later you will have to come up for some "not so fresh air". Either way, we are going to pay dearly for the mistakes and choices governments make.


vytasek
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Good move! 3 decades of "what exactly did we get for our money"?

Umbrella organisation, providing what again ? Communication?


Your Boss
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I would like to take time and welcome back Prof. Pye Chartt to Canada. I believe he was accompanying Mr. Baird during his trip to Middle East and prepared his speeches. It was a great National Holiday for our Dual Citizen and intelligent writer. We missed your heavenly intellectual word. Your words are sacred to Canada and Canadians. You are the God/Goddess of all cons. You are the bone of their ideology. Is there any writer job available in CP/PC of Canada?


Roy
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Boo Hoo...Their funding was eliminated, but it was not your money to begin with...You have 600 "member" organizations and you are still sucking at the taxpayers teat?.... The government should not even be providing taxpayers money to these phony groups...People want these organizations?, then fund them out of your own damn pockets!....


Kevin Wallace
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Wow, a lot of ignorance and fear in these comments. The money it takes to fund this network is a tiny fraction of the corporate welfare our government gives to their buddies in the oil business -- and then tries to pull the wool over our eyes about it. We're the world's newest and dirtiest oil republic, corrupted by greed. If you travel (not just hang out at a resort) you'll learn this. We know there are better ways, but instead of rising to the challenge, we vote in idiots who pander to our fear and ignorance. Shame on everyone who supports these short-sighted, self-serving thugs. And kudos to those who still care about the world our children will inherit. We can do much better, if we choose to!


clane
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So, Harper can spend $20 million for a consultant firm, another $28 million on 1812 celebrations, but its a time to tighten belts..


Donna in Ottawa
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First question is exactly what does this organization do with its funding? What are the qualifications of the people who work for it?Second point is doesn't Environment Canada look after our environment? How many groups need to perform this task?Just asking ...


beetlebaum
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why is it that so many albertans don't seem to consider themselves canadian? i guess it started with peter lougheed's "let the eastern bastards freeze in the dark" comment. alberta has a history of ripping off canadians. now they're destroying our/their environment and complaining that we're whining about it. not much logic in the albertan mind, evidently


leftwingpinko
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fools fools fools. i don't care if you're harpo's shills, brain-dead albertans or run-of-the-mill troglodytes. you watch your country being flushed down the commode and actually support it. fools.


Exanime
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The hypocrisy is unbelievable... from a google search on this topic

"Ironically, yesterday's news also carried a story about another "environmental" initiative, which the government deemed worthy of generous support: the "Canada School of Energy and Environment," based in Calgary. That organization received $15 million from the federal government and a good part of its vocation has been, in the words of Postmedia News, "to clean up the dirty oil image of Canada's oil sands and provide the public with a more balanced view of its environmental performance"


DKJD
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Lets hope the CBC is next!


Ken
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The audited financial statements (2010) for the Canadian Environmental Network state that this orgnanization had total revenue of just under $1.3 million. It also states that Environment Canada grants were about $930 thousand and other federal gov't contracts provided about $325 thousand for a total of about $1.255 million. And then comes the kicker. The network has about 600 members who contribute a grand total of $6 190. That is about $10.32 each per year. Seems to me that it is about time the Canadian Environmental Network gets off their backside(s) and finds alternate sources of funding!


Meme Mine
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Climate Change is the END OF THE WORLD but none of these fear mongers will say it. Instead it's "catastrophic" and "unstoppable warming". They expected us to believe that there was such a thing as a little catatrophic climate crisis.
How "childish" as history will call climate blame. Oh, and you scientists?.........Thanks for the pesticides and germ warfare and deep sea drilling technology and land mines and 25 years of needless CO2 panic. As for you mainscream news editors, no suprise there.


Kim
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Bravo!


Ivan
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Well Kevin in Alberta, with $7 billion (and record profits), why are there any subsidies to this sector? It would seem they should be able to make it on their own.


RGO in Montreal
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Harper should just shut Environment Canada down. Let the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers run things, that way those scum-bag engineers and scientists won't be geting in the way! How dare they slow the production of oil, carbon, and environmental devastation!GO HARPER GO


Goetheman
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Totally understandable. This environmental group of 3 decades work is a terrorist organization as its reports build terror in our hearts for the future of our grandchildren and brings the terror of a bully from Mr. Harper in the name of the deficit and " we oppose all environmental work".


slucas
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Folks who support these cuts reveal their nasty biases.McKay spends MILLIONS on jets and helicopter rides and Pork-Fat Tony spends more MILLIONS in his riding with no accountablity, that's okay, right? But spend half a million for groups to help monitor our environment...no that is just not fiscally responsible? Your blind obedience to this destructive party is going to land us all in a pickle, because sooner or later this inane abuse of our environment will have dire consequences.


Robert777
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Excellent. I hope that the Feds will also cut funding for the Coalition for Gun Control and all those other lefty sponge groups. Good Job !!!!


d in l
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For those who were asking. Your "spendthrift cons" give 1.4 B in tax breaks to oil companies some of the most profitable businesses in the world. They have their hand in your pocket to give money to the rich corporate friends and you don't care. But they give money to an NGO and it's socialism SOCIALISM end of the world. Your government is supposed to do things for you with your tax dollars not for billionaire corporations who buy them into office. How they have duped you mouthbreathing drones into operating against your own best interests and even advocating for the very people who want to turn you into pensionless, benifetless, over-taxed min-wage-slaves blows my mind and will be the conversation-piece of academics in years to come. And neo-con is the appropriate term - it is to differentiate "conservatives" who condone waste-based consumption driven growth from true conservatives who condone resource and financial prudence and fiscal responsibility. Stupidity is the true epidemic of our time.


Colleen in Alberta
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I think the government needs to cut back on these useless organizations sucking the government tit. Another cut I would like to see is these Quebec film boards making these ridiculous films about nothing mostly porn. Why are we paying for that nonsense? I think there is lots of waste left over from the Liberals who funded just about anyone who asked especially if they live in Quebec.


mocusty
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who watches the watchmen?


lc
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You can always count on the global warming conspiracy theorists to come out of the woodwork.It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry at the autistic logic from the neocon comments.Environmentalist are evil for waning a clean planet.polluters are on the side of the angels for treating earth like trash can.Corporate captains are noble for exporting our jobs/workers bad for asking for living wage.Harper is a peach for corporate welfare to foreign owned big oil with record profits /people bad for complaining about soaring energy costs.Many on here must be paid trolls or just complete mindless sheep!


Rob
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$547,000?
That'll pay for two cabinet minister fishing trips.
How about cancelling the CF-35 boondoggle and saving some serious coin?



John MacDonald
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$500,000 a year is a lot of money...over 30 years it adds up to 15 million. Harper could almost build a gazebo in Huntsville or a fake lake in Toronto for that kind of money. And if we multiply this amount by 1,000 we could almost afford to hold a G20 meeting. I say, good job to our CONservative (SPENDservative?) government.


Kevin in Alberta
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Seriously Ivan? Alberta pumps over 7 billion annually into the Federal coffers. Yes, you heard correctly, seven billion dollars a year!Why is any whining about environment also a target to slander Alberta and our oil? If it was not for Alberta, Canada would have been in a recession for the past 20 years.Seriously, get over yourself.


Dilys
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Threaten to start a war and we will get all kinds of money! $20 million to Libya so far and they are sitting on billions of dollars.Guess Stevie doesn't give rat's behind about his kids future.


G.S.
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Great job Harper, let's cut the deficit and put our country in better shape. Now's the time to trim the fat and hold taxes steady. I applaud your administrations efforts to keep the greedy unions at bay, we need more politicians like you. Long term goals should include the introduction of private health care, a TWO-TIER system is the only sustainable way for Canada.

A CONSERVATIVE CANADA MEANS A BETTER CANADA!!!


TEA from SK
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Fund yourselves with your own money not mine...


Maggie Ottawa
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Lets put money where the working man needs it like 1812 War Laura Secord etc.


BlueGreen
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To all those bashing Harper and the Conservatives for being 'anti-environment' I ask just one question. Why then, is it only the Federal government who still supoorts the Energy Eco program for regular people who make improvements to thier homes to make them more energy efficient, while the Provincial Liberals in Ontario (supposedly the 'GREEN' premier ) cancelled thier portion of this great program? I agree with most comments on this board about showing me what this group did for the environment before raising up thier arms...as far as I'm concerned they are environmentalists in name only...


Jeremy in Thunder Bay
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Good Job StevenKeep up the good work.


Robert Burgess - Whitby, Ontario
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So what does this group actually contribute to society other than providing work for people?


Paul
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The truth hurts when it all comes out! Don't be too surprised when the rest of the world begins to dump on Canada for its bad choices regarding the environment. It's all about money and nothing else. And please save your comments about me being a liberal lefty. It's all about being a environmental lefty!!! Shame on the government for neglecting its duty and commitments.


Ivan
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Where are the matching cuts to Big Oil ? Oh wait, that would mean layoffs in Alberta and we can't have that - at least in a world controlled by Cons.


Salt and Vinegar
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DOHH - instead of using tax money - try working for a living - like the rest of us. Try making a channel that is PROFITABLE and does not require funding.


Reece
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Next time you better vote with your brains and not your emotions - Canadians deserve what they get.


hv
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Reading these comments, I am amazed by how little some people know about the public process and citizen/public participation in the legislative process. It is for the good of the population.The funding provided by the government allowed citizen from across the country to meet, comment and participate in the legislative process and ensure our legislators are held accountable. For half a milliion dollars? that is a great deal.I am embarassed that people are trying to curb public participation and giving a monopoly to our backwards/backwoods government. You will all be sorry when the effects of this government's short-sighted and dangerous policy show up on the scene.


Get rich quick
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About Time !! . . . Odd for a right wing, religious zealot, like yourself to be so opposed to people with these environmental organizations being paid substantially for what they do (imagine those oil company executives on minimum wages) and keep in mind those high priced (well paid) people you refer to, pay higher income taxes and GST (HST) on what they buy so isn't that the kind of tax payer we need (want) to get our economy back in the black? Also too, your comments about Al Gore and David Suzuki getting rich on environmental issues seems contrary as well with your usual right wing philosophy that espouses it's ok to make (big) money! You should decide what your true ideology is so you can speak without contradiction!!!


X con
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Some of the comments are emphasizing the fact that no lobbyist should be paid with our taxes. While I agree with the idea, I have some doubt about the selective choice of the Harper Government. The only difference between these environmental lobbyist and others hired by Harper is only the title. These guys are federal employees and the other lobbyists are private ‘CONsultants’ hired by Harper and his friends. They both suck on the same blood vessel. The private experts (friends of Cons) are paid much more than these employees for producing biased reports. Harper government is manipulating the opinions when talking about cutting spending. It is no cutting it is redirecting the funds. It is similar to a money laundering scheme. No more vote for you. Never!


havee
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Shame on you, Harper. A sad day for the public voice and public representation in Canada's environmental issues. What a ridiculous scenario ... in the face of limitless spending on a fabricrated Canadian crime problem and the government cannot continue to the CEN. This government just gave the Canadian public the middle finger.


Dev53
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Even the Pentagon acknowledges anthropogenic climate change.


Keep Cutting
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There's always someone's pocket that getting padded somewhere. If the member organization, apparently 600 of them, feel this was so valuable, then it should be a minor fee for each to establish funding. RCEN probably did provide a service, but I doubt that it was worth what it cost to fund. How about the gov't funding me to organize all these emails into a for and against opinion on their actions? This would also be useful and I'd do it for merely 250k thus saving 250k over what was axed in this cut. It's ABOUT TIME a gov't is finally looking at gruops that have been around forever and continue to get funding. Let's see, 30 years * 500k /year = $15 Million. Was it worth it?


Taylor
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Can any of the perpetually angry lefties who are in a froth about this decision name even one thing this organization has done to deserve millions upon millions of dollars of taxpayers' money? No, I didn't think so.


ZaZa
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Not surprising the Neo Cons are successful; some of you do not even grasp a little of what they are doing to our Country.


Matt in NB
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"How do we stop climate change and the enviromental problems were having?" Let's just stop talking about it and studying it... That'll work! Here, here, another great choice by our gov.


Jean
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hmm so what do they do?? lol they help arrange consultations??? I'm sorry folks but this is deadwood. Great salary, nice sounding name, and totally unnecessary and just doubling up with other dead wood committees and orgs. So lets have a list of what they have DONE. I couldn't find anything concrete on their site just a lot of words. and pretty double talk.


charlie
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So the failure of the Government to pony up $543K in taxpayer dollars, to a lobby group, is going to send the whole world to hell in a handbasket? $543K will stop the work of all these affiliate groups, close their offices and toss the employees out on the street? Usually an "umbrella organization" is just another layer of hangers-on - all paid for by the public purse in this case. Now, if the government has been funding this lobby grouop since 1977, that's 34 years folks, why have they not developed the ability to stand on their own feet before now? A lot of the "entitled" find it is easier to take the hand-out than wean oneself off the public teat and have grown accustomed to saying "more, please" when the taxpayer is saying "there is no more". Perhaps they serve a useful purpose, I really don't know since there seems to be no end of groups who are all running around saving the earth, but, assuming they do serve a useful purpose, then perhaps their brother organizations should be funding them, not the taxpeyer. The Government has no business spending tax dollars on lobby groups - period. I would pay more attention to groups who have some skin in the game, as opposed to using my skin!


Craig from NS
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If they want to trim the fat start with MP pensions, salaries, get rid of the Senate and have the PM and other ministers trim their waistlines and inflated heads. I'm no tree huger by any stretch of the imagination (former PC Party supporter), but this government is more about getting rid of any opposition than streamlining itself. They are just going to undo a system that a future left leaning government is going to put back in place at a higher cost to the taxpayers. DO NOT COST CUT. TRY COST MANAGEMENT. Stick to the issues that matter to Canadians, not big business or political concerns. Harper's majority reign will not make it through another election they way he and his ministers are going.


W
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Having looked at their web site (and watching the cheesy youtube video they produced), it appears that they are a lobby group. The service which they claim to provide is networking. Similarly, the federal government (through environment Canada) has been the principal funding source since it's creation in 1977. I would not consider this organization entitled to federal funding.


devils advocate
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This is not fiscal restraint this is ideologically driven politics at it's worst. $547,000.00 is less than 6 days pay for the Conservatives touted "restraint consultants" so spending that amount of money is most certainly not usually a problem for these supposed fiscal conservatives. The real thing driving the lack of commitment to any sort of environmental stewardship by this government is that a majority of the people who are elected for the Conservatives are avowed (that is admitted) fundamentalists and "dominionists". As such they are taught and believe that there is no reason to protect "the environment" as everything that is of use to man was put on this earth by God for use by man for his sole benefit. If you are proud to be steeped in your faith and a true believer and are exercising it as part of your role as an elected party why not tell people!!! At least all those American Tea Party dominionists like M. Bachmann are open and honest about how their beliefs will shape their environmental policy.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Cry me a river. Neither RCEN's Kolmel nor NDP critic Megan Leslie, for the purpose of this story, could seemingly provide a specific, substantive, and meaningful reason why the "umbrella group" critically deserves funding. (It has never acted as a "conduit" for my voice on environmental issues, and I suspect most Canadians could/would say the same.) Our federal government is BESIEGED annually by groups of all sorts and kinds who want money for their "worthy" cause, and the number receiving the easy cash (after filling in the requisite paperwork) is substantial. Indeed, environmental issues are important. No question. This particular denial of funding, however, does NOT mean that, officially, our government doesn't care...and, thus, our environment will surely suffer.


G
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The left is a little mistaken about who actually supports some of these environmental groups. Anyway, some of you may be surprised about how the Conservatives are not "puppets" and how they are standing up for a sector of employment that employs thousands of Canadians.


Andrew in Vancouver
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The Conservatives are a mixed bag. They seriously offended me with their "remember the monarchy" nonsense but now they are winning me back with this wonderful spending cut.


Prof Bar Graph
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Everyone knows that "the environment" and "science" are Liberal lies designed to confuse us god fearing Conservatives. I say good riddance! As a libertarian I believe that the environment would take part in the free market if it didn't want to be destroyed. Since the oil companies are making record profits that must mean the environment is fine.


Fill ur Boots
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Sure, cut the funding to this program. But does anyone not see the bigger picture here? Environment Canada has seen probably some of it's worst cutbacks in decades. I see where your priorities lie conservatives. In the oil patch. How can the environment be properly protected (even with federal legislation in place!) if you cut the limbs off the organization that is accountable for it. It sickens me to see some of the approvals going on... and it's all public -- you just have to look it up.


robins111
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Good,.... too many of these self appointed AGW loons are receiving taxpayers cash. Hopefully this'll send a message to the rest of the money sponges


Paul R
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Dependency of any kind is wrong. Special interest groups do not require government funding. Cut them all off.


JDF - Calgary
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Thank you Mr. Harper! One down, hundreds more to go.


Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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Thank goodness the Conservatives have finally got some backbone and are starting, in a very slow way, to cut spending on "stuff" that doesn't provide value for money. I expect the posters who write in castigating the government really know nothing about this group and are in no position to evaluate the government's decision. Now the government has to move on to the really juicy cost savings like the CBC, regional development programs, grants to industry, and various bureaucracy creating organizations who just suck up "OUR" money but don't provide "VALUE" All of the kerfuffle from the NDP and others shows that in Canada once the government starts spending on anything it is like pulling hen's teeth to stop forking out those dollars.


The_Central_Scrutinizer
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Nice work, Steve. After all, Canada's environmental record already stinks in the eyes of the world, so why not make it worse?
After all, it's not as if the environment is important to us, eh?
Not when compared to The Almighty Dollar.
I'd sooner see my tax money spent on environmental concerns than on politicians obscene salaries.
Save money on your own pay, not on things that can harm us all.


Disenchanted
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If the government really wanted to get rid of deadwood they would cut government hangers on and make the rest truly accountable for spending. No more free rides while the elderly starve.


Adrian from Hamilton
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Environmentalists seem to come up with the best but most expensive solution to every problem. Ontario's microFIT pays out $0.80 / KWH to solar providers when other power generators get 1/20th of that. It is time the environmentalists come up with cost effective solutions including the handling of their own finances. Simply charging the supported 500 groups $1000 each would replace the cut half a million dollars. If you want to lobby for your point of view, pay for it yourself, not gravy train off the backs of taxpayers.


Mark
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Excellent! Yet another stupid waste of money that I don't want to pay for and the more cuts the better. While were at it, let's also cut the CBC, 50% of all federal gov't employees, 80% of all foreign "aid," 100% of sex change funding, and on and on and on we could go.


Piotr
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That's what we get by having a "democracy" that allows to translate the support of less than 40% of voters into 100% of power. With 60% of Canadians who voted against Mr. Harper muzzled - he can do now whatever he, and his big corporate money, want.

The cut was motivated by the ideological, not financial reasons, because financially it is penny-wise and pound-foolish - it will result in the loss of low-cost independent environmental expertise - any replacement either by the government or the academia, not even mentioning by the consulting industry, would cost and order of magnitude more (replacing part-time minimum wage people with fully paid and pensioned or the private consultant's fees).

The net effect will be that the big business will be able to do whatever they want without even a pretense of an independent public scrutiny - which in the end will cost _us_ - the spill in the Gulf did cost much more than the price of the proper environmental regulation which would prevent the spill from happening in the first place.
Thus, penny wise, pound foolish.

But the conservatives were never about fiscal responsibility
(the last conservative finance minister who left the Canada's finances in a better shape than he inherited - lived in the XIX century), but always about ideology and bending over for the big corporations funding their years of expensive attack ads.




Carl
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Another three and a half years of Harper and lets see how many of you will still support him. I wonder what will be left of my Canada.


Jim in Ottawa
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To all those who are "outraged" by this news, please tell me honestly: how many of you have even heard of Canadian Environmental Network before it made the news wire today? I know that I can honestly answer that I have never heard of them and frankly now that I know they exist, I won't miss them when their gone--they have had no impact on my life or the lives of the people around me whatsoever and they have demonstrated no measurable impact on improving environmental standards over their life time. If they are truly as important as they claim to be, they should have no diffficulty converting to a registered charity where they can easily raise money through charitable donations. Otherwise I question why we've been funding this group at all for the past 35 years. Just because someone has the word "enviornment" in their name does not by default make them an essential service entitled to an unending stream of government funding. So long Canadian Environment Network: we hardly knew ya!


Jkuz
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Would people please stop using the "neo-con" tag. Seriously, do some reading and understand the terminology. Its grossly overused by anti conservative voters and greatly misunderstood. Need I remind you Mulroney was considered one of the greenest prime ministers. Wait a second....wasn't he a "Neo-Con!?" Sad to see funding go for an environmental group such as this one. Such is life when you are trying to cut costs and increase efficiency. I guess the government is sending the message its ok to spend millions to burn jet fuel and fly around in government jets, but its absolutely financially impossible for the country to hand over HALF a million to an environmental group? Seriously, get real! A dollar spent on the environment is better spent than it is on flying ministers around.


sam williamson
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Well, perhaps all those who are so passionate about keeping this group alive, won't mind donating now and then to keep it going.

If you can't even get 10,000 people to donate 50 bucks a year, then it's not as important as you think.


NoContest
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Why not cut criminal oil and gas subsidies instead of environmental protectorates? Oh yeah, our government is owned by big business and the US I forgot.


d_abes in Saskatoon
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D and L, please enlighten us on these subsidies. The CTF looked long and hard for them and couldn't find them. The only federal money given to "big oil" was to Shell for a carbon capture project.


MDA, Lethbridge
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With so many "millions of volunteer hours" why would RCEN need to expect continued money from the Government? If what RCEN is doing is so good than raise your own funds. Just another Liberal conflict of interest operating on government dollars - plug should have been pulled decades ago.



Lance
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It makes no sense to fund these groups with tax payer dollars so they can continue there propaganda campaigns against the Canadian industries. Keep the cuts going.


Gerry
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It's a political move to disarm environmental interests because a healthy environment has little importance for this government. It's also a short-sighted and narrow move that does nothing or little for the economy. It contributes to an increase in unemployment. A creative solution to economic well-being and environmental care is imminent. This approach is the one that an intelligent and future thinking Canada should support.


Dan from Northern Ont
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If you have a problem with this, go donate money to them to help their operating costs. They're an "umbrella" group to a bunch of other NGOs. Meaning, they're overhead, not researchers or testers.


Carl
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I have never heard of this organization, and they have certainly never provided me any service for my money, so I support the government's move.


George_Piskor
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If advocacy groups are required to become self-sufficient, perhaps the government might consider making donations to advocacy groups tax-deductable, just as is the case for political parties.S eems discriminatory not to do so.


Michael (Ottawa)
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No more subsidized "Kool Aid" for the looney left. This entire environmental movement aren't anywhere into the environment as much as they are into making pricey work projects for themselves on the backs of hard working taxpayers. Finally a government with the hudspa to say "NO, thank you".


D IN L
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But noNE of the neo-con knuckledraggers on this board have any problem whatsoever with the fact that their govts' preoccupation with "trimming the fat" doesn't stop them from GIVING BILLIONS in subsidies to the OIL AND GAS industries - never mind that they are the most profitable sector in the country who make their money gouging Canadians. Your governments are puppets and you are lemmings. Stop believing and start thinking.


Ya Its Me
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Hey they got a new logo for this non-profit organization... wunder how much that process cost...


Canadian Mike
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@ Canadian Joe, The "Harper Govt" is not cutting away dead wood, they're cutting away any opposition or independent organizations that may question or cause YOU to question or even THINK about the dictatorships backwards and way to often ideological policies.


MDell
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Typical conservative mentality; don't give a crap about future generations, just wanna save a buck today.


d_abes
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The should have seen this coming, the 2010 budget said " Strategic reviews of departmental programs that will identify 5 per cent of the lowest-priority and lowest-performing ones (p.162) A comprehensive review of government administrative functions and overhead costs (p.162) Ensuring that ongoing assessment processes of grants and contributions provided to organizations is tied to furthering government priorities and achieving results for Canadians (p.163) RCEN obviously fell into that 5%. Reading the RCEN's website, it's difficult to measure what results for Canadians they have actually achieved other than training lobbyists.


Dead Wood
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Just because the Conservatives cut founding to this environmental group does not mean that they don't care about the environment. People should not make that leap. Maybe this group was not doing anything valuable with this money. Maybe they've produced no results. Maybe the Conservatives will apply to it the environment another way. Anyway, thanks for chopping off the dead wood. There is still a long way to go.


Nathan
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Good! This is stepping stone, I'm liking Harper more and more.


Anne
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Any yet we can throw $10M at Libya (last week), who already have billions in assets that should be released by foreign countries instead. What is wrong in Ottawa, has intelligent thought deserted our capital?


Bob Frank
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Could all the posters on here that have no idea how the Government of Canada grants and contributions programs work, please keep quiet and not post assinine comments.

Thank you on behalf of the educated portion of Canadians.


Joe Canadian
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Really, this network shold be funded? How many equally parasitic networks are there out there that we give money to? Environment Canada has a job to do - we pay for that so let them do it. If they can't then fire the slackers there and hire new ones. By the way, I am hardly braindead for having an opinion and if that is your only counter argument, then you need look no further than a mirror for the truly brain dead.


About Time !!
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I applaud this decision. We the taxpayers should not be funding environmental groups who have a track record of employing high priced employees and perpetrating the myths about climate change being our responsibility instead of natural occurring cycles. It is well known Al Gore and David Suzuki have personally grown rich off promoting these groups I suggest this group give Suzuki a call as I am sure he would be happy to put his money where his mouth is.


Rosie
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A'key conduit for environmental groups"and where Canadians can voice their environmental concerns. Hmmm,sounds like a great area to cut funding. Canadians can voice their environmental concerns in lots of media forums, including right here on CTV news. As far as a conduit is concerned, wouldn't a web page with links do the same job for free? i hope the government finds more fat programs like this to cut.


Tim
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I'd like to know what this group has done before I start complaining about the government de-funding it. Saying it's for the environment sounds great, but what do they actually DO? Do they go out and plant trees? Do they buy land for conservation? What do they actually do!?


Paul
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It was just more high class welfare, paying people a whole bunch of money for doing nothing. What did they ever accomplish?


Will
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WHY should the government be funding a lobby group? Absolutely NO lobbyists should recieve any public funding, regardless of what they call themselves.


Rob
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Well said Joe Canadian - as you struggle to breathe and look for clean water to drink while waiting for your oncology appointment.


BuzzerKiller
said
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I wonder if this has any relation to the upcoming protests upon the plans for the Pipeline from Alberta to the Gulf.


No God No War
said
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We would save 10 or hundred times more if we stop crazy spending on military toys for defending overseas interests of Mr. Harper's friends.


gavbo
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if they wanted to chop away dead wood he could start with the overkill in cabinet ministers, get rid of most of his propaganda staff he has put in the PMO, he has driven up the cost of government way more than what he cut here


mh
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Typical stupidity of the Harper government. The world will be going up in flames and he will insist it is not because of man's harmful effects. Even the States is waking up to the fact that the unusual weather patterns they are undergoing is a wake-up for mankind. But not Harper. What an ignorant man.


montrose
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I am sure there will be neanderthals who will applaud this move (chop the dead wood), but really, this network should be funded. For heaven's sake, if we don't give a damn about the environment, and if we listen to those who do not believe in global warming, then all the economic efforts we are making will be for naught.I voted for Harper, but this is a bush league move on the part of the federal goverment. And, no, I am not in any way associated with this organization, but I am concerned about a sane balance between economic and environmental initiatives.


JD, Ottawa
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People like Joe Canadian are the problem that those of us with a brain have to deal with every day.


Cynical
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No problem here with cutting funding to NGO's. They need to get decent fund-raising systems in place and be self supporting. Money not spent on NGO's means it can be spent elsewhere, like paying down the Liberal/NDP induced deficits.


JP
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is hits group doing anything productive? Oh, I see, they're "giving Canadians a voice on environmental issues", which really means it's just a front for promoting the fraud of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. Good riddance. Enjoy finding real jobs. You can come to Alberta and actually be a real human being producing energy for the rest of society, instead of draining it away for nothing...


steve
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as stevie boy said. you will not recognize this country when i am done with it.


scottj
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I couldn't be more delighted to see the funding being removed for yet another organization that advocates "action" against the calamity of Global Warming (TM)......


Joe Canadian
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Good choice - "we have to move on to another financial model".... does that mean you will stop suckling on the federal teat and actually do something without being a drain on society?? Nice work Conservatives - keep chopping away the dead wood!!


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