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Defence Minister Peter MacKay fields questions at the closing news conference of the Halifax International Security Forum in Halifax on Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010. Dimitri Soudas, the director of communication to Stephen Harper, appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Monday, Nov. 8, 2010. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff delivers a speech on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Monday, Nov. 8, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Dimitri Soudas, the director of communication to Stephen Harper, appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Monday, Nov. 8, 2010.

Ottawa is still mulling options for Afghanistan: PMO

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Defence Minister Peter MacKay fields questions at the closing news conference of the Halifax International Security Forum in Halifax on Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010. Dimitri Soudas, the director of communication to Stephen Harper, appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Monday, Nov. 8, 2010. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff delivers a speech on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Monday, Nov. 8, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Dimitri Soudas, the director of communication to Stephen Harper, appears on CTV's Power Play in Ottawa, Monday, Nov. 8, 2010.

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Defence Minister Peter MacKay fields questions at the closing news conference of the Halifax International Security Forum in Halifax on Sunday, Nov. 7, 2010.

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Date: Mon. Nov. 8 2010 8:13 PM ET

The Conservative government is mulling several options for Canada's post-July 2011 role in Afghanistan, but is not ready to make the details public.

"After 2011, the government is considering the three following options: aid, development, and training in a non-combat role," Dimitri Soudas, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's spokesperson, told CTV News Channel's Power Play.

"The hard work that's been done by Canadian soldiers, diplomats and development workers will continue, but in a very different way."

There have been reports Ottawa plans to send 1,000 troops to Kabul to train Afghan soldiers and police, but Soudas would not confirm that.

"Our numbers will be significantly lower than the 3,000 we currently have and the role will be significantly different -- non-combat training and not in Kandahar," Soudas said of the option being considered.

According to The Associated Press, NATO says it wants 900 trainers for Afghan forces. A senior government official said 750 Canadian military trainers would remain in Kabul, along with 200 support troops.

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he cannot support the proposal to keep Canadian troops in Afghanistan until full details of the operation are known.

Ignatieff proposed in June that some soldiers stay in Afghanistan to help train the national military there past the Canadian combat end date of July 2011.

"The government owes Canadians an explanation," Ignatieff told reporters Monday of the proposal.

He questioned the timing of Harper's interest in the move, considering there is a NATO leaders' summit only two weeks away and Canada has been under pressure from its allies to continue the Afghan mission.

"The devil is in the detail. How many troops, for how long, in what role, with what allies, with what mission?" Ignatieff said.

"This is amateur hour if you don't have clear answers to those questions. So we're saying come clean with the Canadian people."

Reports suggest the government is considering sending 1,000 soldiers to Kabul until 2014 to strengthen NATO's training efforts.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay confirmed Sunday the government is considering a non-combat role for Canadian troops past the July end date. He suggested a decision could be made within the next 10 days.

Soudas denied that Ottawa is considering the option because of political pressure.

"The reason why allies are asking (for Canada to stay) . . . is because Canadian heroes have done such great work," he said. "Canada has contributed a lot to the Afghan people."

The move would be a complete reversal for Harper who in January said there would be no Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan past the July end date, "other than the odd guard guarding an embassy."

He has repeatedly shot down Ignatieff's call for a training role for Canadian troops past the end of the combat mission.

The Conservative government will need the support of the Liberals to win approval in the House of Commons. The NDP and Bloc Quebecois have said Canada should get out of Afghanistan all together.

Ignatieff hinted the Liberals would not necessary support the government.

"This isn't the kind of thing you want to do some secret deal with the Liberals about. This is a conversation that has to be done with Canadians," he said.

Soudas noted the government is considering options very similar "if not identical" to what the Liberals asked for.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Are we in or are we out?
said

As a Canadian Soldier I of course will carry out all tasks given to me to the absolute best of my abilities. That being said, why would I want to go to Kabul for 6 - 9 months to train soldiers that I will not field with? If we are getting out lets get out, if we are staying, lets stay and continue the good work that is being done in Khandahar. Either continue sitting at the grown-ups table with the British and Americans or leave. Moving to the kids table after having criticized other NATO partners for confining their soldiers to the North, may tarnish the good work our people have done in the South. The Bloc, NDP and Liberals forced the government of Canada to pick a quit date. It's time for the opposition to realize that they got what they wanted and move on.


Citizen
said

Ignatieff wants to talk about "amateur hour", frankly speaking it was the Liberal government that sent our troops into Afganistan without the proper equipment, with no clear mandate and no clear exit strategy. We didn't have the proper equipment because of nearly a decade of Liberal cuts to defense spending, yet they threw them into harms way on a whim. THAT, is amateur hour. On top of that do we really want to hear the opinion of a man who wrote a book talking about how good American Empire is for the world. Mr. Ignatieff needs to go back to Academia.


steven
said

Here we go. Did anyone think the post 2011 was going to be different? No training role can exclude combat. Don't be fooled.


BCer
said

So we, and the allied troops are getting our keisters kicked and WE'RE going to train the Afghan troops. haha. Good one. Just the line of thinking I would expect from our 'wise' leaders. And troops staying on after 2011 - Gee, who didn't see that one coming. It's just one lie after another from Parliament Hill.
Perhaps Harper should pull the troops from Afghanistan and send them to help the U.S. protect Israel as he seems so chummy with them both these days.
You've ruined our reputation world-wide Harper and made us a target.


GRB
said

Pull Canadian Troops out of Afghanistan by Aug 2011. Enough is enough! After at least 7 years of war it is time for Karzai to step in. John McCain is a good man but he should not put pressure on the Canadian military, Canada nor the government.

Topher, Winnipeg
said

Flip flop flip flop. The Harper government has changed its mind at least 3 times on this issue.First they said "absolutely" we would stay past 2011. Then, after calling anyone who didn't support the Afghan missions "taliban supporters" they said we would get out in 2011, which is what the Liberals agreed to.Then, they change their mind yet again, UNDER PRESSURE FROM THE US.What a weak indecisive Conservative government which just CAVES in to the Americans. I wish our government were working for our interests.


Linda in Vancouver
said

LOL. Every time I get so annoyed with Harper that I start looking at the liberals, they pull another stunt like this. They proposed this themselves to impress Queen Hillary,now they're "spinning" because they think it may not be popular.Is this the Liberal view of what LEADING really is? Is this really a party that claims to be ready to govern? If they were ready to govern,would they not have policies in place right now? Or are the asking us to vote for them,and trust that they will develop policies AFTER an election. Mr.Ignatieff.On this file,and the other military files,your positions are indefensible.Wake up and smell the coffee.Even in opposition,anyone with a serious comittment to this country would not be playing these games.


NS
said

Iggy flip flopping again, what a surprise... not!


charlie
said

Michael, Michael, Michael - first you want the government to be involved in training etc. and leave some troops in Afghanistan. The Government says that it seems to be a good approach and we are looking at it. Ooops - not so fast - now you are not in favour of it. I could pin jam to a wall before you could be pinned down to anything resembling an actual position that you will stick with. Wow - you should be on that dancing programme with such fancy footwork!


charlie
said

Iggy - disagreeing with Harper is one thing. Disagreeing with yourself - priceless!


M & M
said

The Canadian Forces have done their duty. And they should come home never mind training the other country. Bring our soldiers home.


G. Gravelle
said

Even if our soldiers do come home, what will they be doing once they get here? They can't just be doing training exercises and not put the training to use anywhere - that's not what these men and women signed up for.


George V.
said

Iggy has not laid out his parties platform, he has not given us any direction of where he is planning to take this country should he God forbid become our Prime Minister. He won't even say what he plans to do or what he would support after 2011 when our troops are coming home, even though Harper is proposing exactly what he suggested in June. He first wants to see which way the wind blows, which way will he garner the most votes, He has no back bone, he is just one weak individual. A person we certainly don't want as our leader.


Abiding Citizen
said

My goodness, intelligent liberal oxy-moron actually wrote: "Once Iggy knows what Harper's plans are, then he will be able to go to the Canadian people and get feedback from them whether it's a popular move." I guess it will go like this: "Oh Mr. Prime Minister, Mr. Harper, Sir", says Ignatief, "May I please know what your plans are? I want to run out to the playground and ask all the good boys and girls if it's popular. Then I can say it was my idea." How incredibly naive can one be?


Steve Eros
said

This coming from the guy that was in full support of the Iraqi war. Iggy has a short term memory or he is vote pandering. Likley both.


Canadian Soldier
said

Hello my idea I love your comment, I do have to say that I have done the job we are being asked to do. All nations up there loved our team, and said we were the guys. The job can be frustrating at time because of the cultural differnces, but I loved it and would do it again. By the way the Portugese got fired from that job they were junk from what we were told.


Mar
said

So, let me get this right, Iggy asked for the government to keep troops in Afghanistan for training, Harper did not support it. Now, after conversations with allies and considering the request brought forward by the Liberals, Harper is now saying we are considering the requests from our allies to have a training force in Afghanistan (I believe this also became news a few months ago so seems to have been in "consideration" for some time), and now Iggy says the Liberals will not support their own idea? How does this make sense? All this tells me is that Iggy is against anything Harper does, even if Harper is doing something the Liberals asked for. Also looks like compromise, something the Liberals cannot seem to grasp apparently. Iggy proves over and over his only goal is to oppose this government, whether its something good for the country or not. He's even flipping on his own policy in this case. The details may not yet be available, maybe they will be discussed at the meeting in 2 weeks, considering Iggy has not been able to give details of any policy I think its a little like the pot calling the kettle black. The article clearly states the reports say the government is "considering" this move, that means they are considering the details, considering what to do, etc. Therefore there likely aren't any solid details at this time, its got nothing to do with not coming clean with Canadians, its about taking the time to consider the options and details before spouting off. There is no decision yet, therefore no details, seems pretty simple to me. Guess not so simple for Iggy to grasp.


Trevor in the Hat
said

Iggy has been screaming for months to leave some soldiers behind in a training capacity. Now that the conservatives are considering it it's a bad idea and Iggy is suggesting he won't support it. Iggy has said the devil is in the details, that Harper needs to give more specific information as to how many soldiers etc. What specifics or details has Iggy given during his rants saying we should leave some behind past the 2011 extraction date?


Carl
said

Given their incredible number of flip-flops on this issue, the Liberals are obviously just playing partisan politics with the lives of Canadian soldiers and with a very important mission. First the Liberals sent our troops to Kabul with no equipment and without a vote in parliament. Then the Liberals sent our troops into combat in Kandahar. They they called for a full and immediate withdrawal. Then they voted to end the mission in July 2011. Then they called for a training mission behind the wire after the combat mission ends. Now Iggy is changing positions yet again. This man has no principles whatsoever.


robin hood
said

I recall the news saying 600 troops will be left behind to train Afghan soldier so that they're able to defend themselves! No one wants us to pull out completely because everyone wants to leave. Can't you find a stand in that? Training not going well—really; who's doing the training?


TRex in BC
said

"Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he cannot support the Conservative government's proposal to keep Canadian troops in Afghanistan for a training mission until full details of the operation are known." Yet, it was the one and the same Ignatieff that proposed a few months ago that we, Canadian troops, stay in Afghanistan past 2011 as a training force vice a combat force. Now he is going against his own proposal. WOW!! Such a great leader. His fundamentals are like a revolving door.


Observer
said

So first the Liberals get us into Afghanistan, then send us to Khandahar and warn us about casualties, but tell us that we have to pull our weight. Then the Conservatives come to power and suddenly Afghanistan is all their fault and the liberals pass motions to end the mission, THEN they get their wish and a date is set for an end to the mission, but wait, all of a sudden the Liberals finally send some of their windbags to Afghanistan to actually see whats going on and declare that Canada still has a role to play and despite their previous bellyaching we should actually stay...NOW that the government is willing to consider extending the mission, the Liberals and their fearless leader are unsure of whether or not theyll suppourt the initiative....All this has taken place over a span of only a couple of years, how can anyone take the Liberals seriously, PERIOD?!?


GCB
said

Does the Governement think Canadians are stupid. You cannot have soldiers in a war zone in a non-combantant role. The Taliban will massacre them. Come on Canadians, stand up and let the Government know we want our troops home. Period.


RK in MB
said

He's right. I don't disagree with keeping troops there to train as long as they are not on the front lines. The PM should be able and willing to give details of the revised role to all Canadians before committing to NATO. I suspect that the Liberals will go along with the arrangement, given that they suggested it prior to it being requested. I just wonder how this will get spun by the PMO.


bryanf
said

The liberals would prefer we were in a Bosnia type so called peacekeeping mission again. Duck when shot at, and dont ask questions later.


ken leland
said

"The devil is in the detail. How many troops, for how long, in what role, with what allies, with what mission?" Ignatieff said. "This is amateur hour if you don't have clear answers to those questions. So we're saying come clean with the Canadian people." And, no matter what the details, Mr. Ignatieff will, as he has time after time in the past, see the glorious wisdom of whatever the Conservatives are proposing. Anything to avoid an election which this feckless leader of the opposition has no chance of winning.


Concerned Citizen
said

Everyone seems to be focused on the "behind the wire" aspect and how much safer Kabul is. The government is intent on selling to Canadians the "safer" aspect of this mission and are skirting the notion that we are still sending our soldiers to a Country that can be described as nothing short of a war zone. Canada's highest ranking soldier to have died in Afghanistan, Col Geoff Parker, died this year while in Kabul...Perhaps we should ask his widow how safe she thinks Kabul is.


CMQ in NB
said

Of course Iggy is going to wait and see.... then it is easier to determine policy based upon public opinion. Iggy learn from the states, the reason George Bush got a second term wasn't because of popularity it was because he had policy he solidly stood behind and people knew what he believed in. Kerry on the other hand shifted with the polls and Americans though they didn't agree with much of Bush policy put him in because they knew where he stood. Iggy has failed to take advantage of any Con blunders because of the same reason. Iggy wake up, Canadians don't want a Canadian version of Kerry, we want a leader who tells us outright what they beleive. No more wait and see, how about telling us up front!


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

The Liberal Party of Canada has a leader who clearly talks out of both sides of mouth on most subjects but then possibly he speaks for the party as a whole and represent its viewpoint? This was the same person who was demanding that Canada maintain a presence in Afghanistan post-2011 just this past summer and now he vacillates. My message to the LPC is that if you are looking for my support, please go find another leader quickly but do not offer me Bob Rae as the alternative.


Rick @ Ottawa
said

This should be no suprise to anyone. I can remember long ago Harper saying over and over again that our combat role would end in 2011. The key word here is "combat". I can already hear the lefties saying that Harper has broken another promise. Harper never once said all our troops would be out by 2011. What he did say, repeatedly, is that combat would end in 2011.I wanted to set this straight before the lefties start telling more lies.


Redneck Vic
said

Why would he not agree? He has said so so many times that that was the only way he could support it! I think if he has a great memory it is just a little short!


Marcel
said

This is typical Ignatieff - he can't even agree with his own ideas and suggestions if they come from Harper. He's going to disagree with Harper even if Harper agrees with him! This man is seriously confused. Here is another reason I won't even consider voting Liberal until Ignatieff is gone.


BC in BC
said

Before you commit yourself, there is planning involved. You can't just jump in a situation without knowing what kind of infrastucture will be required not only to teach new recruits but all the support needed. Liberals should know better what poor planning will do to a commitment. Green camouflage uniforms and no secure transport equipment to support our troops. People will die due to poor planning


retiredRCR
said

Until we train the Afghan army to defend their own country Western forces are never leaving.People have to remember it took decades to build and train the armies of the West.You can't do it in a few years.They will learn and they will fight.Let's give the Afghans the training they need and then turn it over to them.It's the only way were leaving.


Intelligent Liberal
said

Haper needs to get Iggy's approval before making such a large decision! Who does Harper think he is anyway? Once Iggy knows what Harper's plans are, then he will be able to go to the Canadian people and get feedback from them whether it's a popular move. Canadians need to be able to decide what is good for Canada, so Iggy needs this information on secret military tactics so pollsters can assist Iggy determining how Canadians view that.


hatrock
said

Extension if necessary but not necessarily an extension. -- typical indecisive Ignatieff.


Will
said

national policy has already been set, what happens next is still being discussed and evaluated.... so what exactly does Iggy know get? For an allegedly smart man, he's pretty thick.


Abiding Citizen
said

Quote from article: "The Liberal leader has been advocating since June that some soldiers stay in Afghanistan." But in the same article we find that he isn't really saying that after all. Talk about amateur hour. Ignatief - when are you ever going to do something positive for the country, we are in Canada, rather than mumble away incoherently with your non-productive and divisive attacks on the Conservatives?


Vickie
said

I imagine like all politicians he will hold off on making a decision based on how many in his riding or the various Liberal ridings around Canada complain. If the constituants don't like the idea then Iggy will take the stand it is a bad idea. If the majority of Canadians support the extended mission he will have to swallow his tongue and support it. I just wish someone would have an opinion of their own right away not wait until I have made an opinion or poll me for my insight. Do these guys not think for themselves?


My Idea
said

It was my idea, it was my idea! screamed Ignatieff, citing "Harper's sudden interest in the idea." This is the epitomy of childish hyprocracy. Does he think Portugal should send in a training team? I am 57 years old and I am concerned that someone, anyone like Michael Ignatieff has followers. but I am terrified he might one day be the PM of Canada.


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