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Wayne H. shoots a gun on a ranch near High River, Alta., on Sept.10, 2008. (THE CANADIAN PRESS / Bill Graveland) Garry Breitkreuz is the Conservative MP for the Saskatchewan riding of Yorkton-Melville. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff gestures as he stands in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill during Question Period in Ottawa on Wednesday, April 21, 2010. (Pawel Dwulit / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Tories target eight Liberal MPs over long-gun vote

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CTV News Channel: Liberals, Tories debate long-gun registry
Liberal and Conservative MPs debate the long-gun registry after Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff announced that all caucus members must vote to save the contentious program.

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Wayne H. shoots a gun on a ranch near High River, Alta., on Sept.10, 2008. (THE CANADIAN PRESS / Bill Graveland) Garry Breitkreuz is the Conservative MP for the Saskatchewan riding of Yorkton-Melville. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff gestures as he stands in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill during Question Period in Ottawa on Wednesday, April 21, 2010. (Pawel Dwulit / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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The Tories should also focus on all NDP MPs from rural Western Canada. Let them stand up for the rights of the many hunters in their constituencies.

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Tories target eight Liberal MPs over long-gun vote

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Tories target eight Liberal MPs over long-gun vote

Date: Wed. Apr. 21 2010 6:43 PM ET

The Conservatives are issuing ads in the ridings of eight Liberal MPs who previously voted to end the long-gun registry, after Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff announced that all caucus members must vote to save the contentious program.

The move comes as one Tory MP apologized for a Tuesday news release that compared Canadian police chiefs to a cult and seemingly urged Liberal MPs to beat Ignatieff "black and blue."

Saskatchewan Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz said he did not personally write the release issued under his name.

"I want to apologize for the language in the news release. It was over the top," he told The Canadian Press. "I don't know how that got out of here."

However, the release was still on Breitkreuz's website as of almost 12:00 p.m. ET.

It angrily attacked Ignatieff's decision to require all Grit MPs to vote against the third-reading of a private member's bill to scrap the registry, may have served the opposite purpose as was intended.

P.E.I. Liberal MP Wayne Easter, one of the eight MPs the Tories are targeting, called the release "a tirade that's unbecoming of a member of Parliament."

Breitkreuz is quoted in the release as saying the Liberal leader is "a bully who may well be committing political suicide."

"With tactics like this, I doubt he'll be missed on either side of the House," the release said. "His true colours are showing and, if his caucus has any integrity, those colours should be black and blue."

Harper spokesperson Dimitri Soudas said the release was "in poor taste and inappropriate."

"Mr. Breitkreuz has apologized. What Mr. Breitkreuz should have said is that Michael Ignatieff once again turned his back on rural Canadians by clearly stating he still supports the wasteful and ineffective long-gun registry," Soudas told The Canadian Press.

As Tuesday was April 20, or 4-20, the annual marijuana protest day, Easter questioned whether Breitkreuz may have taken in too much of the pot smoke that rose over Parliament Hill from protesters.

"Was he out there talking to the wacky tobacco groups or something? I think he must've got too much of that smoke up his nose and it affected his brain."

On CTV's Power Play, Tory MP Shelly Glover made it clear that Breitkreuz's press release did not speak for the Conservative party.

"That is not the government's position," Glover said on CTV's Power Play.

"It certainly isn't my position. I have a tremendous respect for chiefs of police and for police officers across this country, and if it were not for their valiant efforts to protect citizens we would not have the country that we have, we would not be as safe as we are -- so it is an unfortunate thing that has happened."

Although The Canadian Police Association, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, and the Canadian Association of Police Boards all support the registry, Glover said there are just as many police officers who see the registry as "ineffective and wasteful."

When pressed to provide names of officers who would like to see the long-gun registry abolished, however, she only mentioned Delaney Chisholm, the chief of police in New Glasgow, N.S., a town of 9,455 residents.

The ads

In one Tory radio ad, aimed at Ontario Liberal MP Anthony Rota, the party's caucus chair, constituents are urged to phone their MP and demand that the registry be scrapped.

"Plans to scrap the wasteful long-gun registry are now in doubt," the radio ad intones. "The reason? Local member of Parliament, Anthony Rota, has been ordered by Liberal boss Michael Ignatieff to vote to keep the registry."

Some Liberal and NDP members voted with the Tories when a private member's bill came up for second reading in November. Bill C-391 would scrap the registry if passed on its third and final reading. It would also destroy the registry's records on about seven million shotguns and rifles.

Liberals who voted for the bill in November weren't punished.

Ignatieff has proposed some reforms to the registry, such as seeing first time offenders fined, instead of criminally charged, which may make the registry more palatable to rural MPs.

The vote is expected to take place in May.

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Caper
said

NOTHING is done by the CPC without Dictaor Harper knowing about it. Here we go, another staffer gets the boot!


Kevin Sask
said

Ignatieff flip-flops on his promise to allow a democratic vote on the long-gun registry. The targeting puts the heat on these members, but makes a point at how the Lib leader says one thing but does the other.


Hal
said

Allan Rock (Liberal) came up with the Billion $ gun Registry. This same Allan Rock is now President of Ottawa U and this University is now in dire financial shape.I really hope that the Liberals make this an election issue so we can kick these liberals members off the hill.The Ontario provincial Liberals are no better as they have spent over a Billion on E Health.This loser Academic IGGY does not understand Canada and needs to go back home to to the USA.


Cara B, NS
said

This is unfortunately typical of the current Liberal party philosphy. Who cares what the common people might want? The Liberal party obviously knows better than the mere electorate and they will be the ones who tell "their" MPs how to vote, not the taxpayers who actually elected them and who they are supposed to represent. It's really not surprising though, is it? I mean, they don't even elect their own leader anymore - they just appoint one now. So much for democracy.


Advocate
said

The Tories should also focus on all NDP MPs from rural Western Canada. Let them stand up for the rights of the many hunters in their constituencies.

proud soldier
said

this is nothing but the vocal rich minority winning and geting there way again long guns are not being used in crimes smuggled guns from the USA coming across the border in ONT and QUE are so punish the crooks the city folks should learn to live there own lives and fix there own problems farmers are not a threat drug dealers ARE so kill the dame bill and put the real crooks in jail


Buford Wilson
said

A multi-billion dollar boondoggle.Put the registry out of its misery.


Barry Moncton
said

It's been said that the Gun Registry helps police do their job. What people need to realize is that it's not the police's job to save anyone from a violent crime! When is the last time a crime victim sued the police for not protecting them and won? Never! It's the individuals job to protect him or herself and their families! throwing endless red tape upon law abiding citizens wanting a handgun or long gun for protection is a disgrace! Gun laws should be a Provincial jurisdiction, so that everyone has a place in Canada!


Stephanie
said

Virtually every Conservative vote is whipped, they just don't need to say it, it's a given, you vote with the party. As the opposition, its very difficult to do free votes when the party you are going against doesn't. Free votes are nice and I personally agree with them, too bad they aren't really possible in the current political environment.


Paul
said

So I just read through all the comments and some of you must like to post for the sake of posting. Those of you that are in favor of the"gun registry" don't seem to know the difference between that and firearm licensing. You don't even seem to know which guns the Con's are talking about. Before posting why don't you read alittle bit about the whole issue and then have an opinion. Truth is, politicians nor police have any idea how many guns are in this country. Think they do? Let me ask you this. When a U.S. resident enters Canda to hunt using his own firearms we take record of what he brought with him. When he leaves do we actually check to see if he took his guns with him.......If you can't grasp the concept the answer is no.That is just one of hundreds of reasons why a "gun registry" will never work.The registy was designed as a preempt for gun confisiation in Canada. It was not for public safety as some of you think it was.1994 Justice Minister Allan Rock "I came to Ottawa with the firm belief that the only people in this county who should have guns are police officers and soldiers".


Chris
said

D**M IT PEOPLE, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA GET IT??? GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!A legal gun will do the same harm as an illegal one... a registered weapon will still do the same harm as an unregistered weapon. It's the person behind the weapon that pulls the trigger. So why are we wasting all this money on people killing people??? BTW, Prof. Pye Chart.... love your comment(s)... you're the only one (partisan aside), that actually has valid points on this board!!!


Chris InOttawa
said

What is happening in Canada to the Republican ... oops ... I mean the "Conservative" party?


Stephanie
said

Virtually every Conservative vote is whipped, they just don't need to say it, its a given, vote Harper's way or get out.Its pretty hard to be an effective opposition if every single member for the government votes one way and all the other parties have free votes.I'm all for free votes across the board but until the Conservatives stop acting like a unified block at all times, that's impossible.


Rob
said

I wonder if some of these politicians have any common sense. They know its a waste of money or do they. Yet if they vote against it, they should pay for the registry out of their own pockets and not the tax payers. With the money that was wasted how many border guards and police officers could of been hired to stop the guns from getting into Canada and into the hands of the criminals. I guess do as your told if you value your job.


Damon I
said

We live in a country home and plan to buy a shotgun for home defense (my wife just got her license). We have zero problem registering it and are in favor of the idea of the government tracking firearms, after all, they can KILL people. We do think that the registry was way over budget and overpriced but now that its here and only costs THREE million a year to maintain, its an insane waste to completely scrap it and delete the info. Besides, the new amendments that were proposed address virtually all the big concerns from the people that were against it, sounds like a compromise, I guess a lot of people don't understand that concept.


Scott T
said

This is about the only area where I'm actually behind Harper's Conservatives. Scrap the damned registry already! We don't need government acting as though we are all criminals.


Jan
said

Wayne Easter is no less offensive in his commentary than any Conservative is deemed to be. Conservatives usually speak the truth,wereass Liberals like Easter are muckrakers.


Andrew in Alberta
said

Let's hope some of the Liberal MP's show some intelligence and vote to drop the registry. It's an obscene waste of money. As far as the Police Chiefs wanting it kept, that is simply the "politically correct" response to give....the vast majority of police on the street know the registry is not working, because the "criminal element" do not register their guns, only the honest citizens do, and they're not the one police are concerned about. How come Iggy didn't go on tirades in his true home, the USA, about guns......probably because he wouldn't like the response he'd get from the gun owners!


Margaret
said

Members of Parliament are voted by their constituents to vote on their behalf on bills that come before them. They are not elected to mindlessly "toe the party line". If a bill arrives, which is not in the best interests of his/her constituents, then I feel the Member of Parliament is constitutionally bound to vote the way his constituents want. Even if it, in so doing so, they are voting against their own party.Ordering people to vote a certain way is what happens in dictatorships and Leninist regimes. It should not be happening in the representative form of democracy that we have. It's not always clean. It's not always fast. But it's the best we have, and something that thousands of Canadians have died to preserve, and continue to die to protect. Stop the partisan jockeying for power, and do what's best for the country.


mjmd
said

Ghandi said that the darkest thing the British ever did was remove their right to bear arms. Look it up.


Keith in Gibsons
said

How many crimes have been solved using the long gun registry? Zero. Zip. Nada. Bupkis. Nullpunkt. Yet Iggy thinks we should continue to maintain this boondoggle. Ever wonder how many Liberal-leaning CEOs' companies are making big money supplying and maintaining these systems?


Dale
said

I would like to know what the stats are, How many long guns were used in crimes and how many of them were registered. If they were all registered the program is not workingIf none were registered, only criminals will be left with them.


Mutt from Windsor
said

" In a speech before the Canadian Police Association" almost choked on my Timmies. The same Liberal party who took death penalty legislation away and would not allow a free vote on the issue. The same Liberal party who slipped in the Faint Hope Clause (Sec 745), made 2 for 1 credit possible and made the Parole Board the laughing ( and if your a victim, crying) stock of Canada. The party of Club Fed. The Party who would not support mandatory minimums for crimes of violence. The Party that has appointed more Liberal judges in Canada than any other Party. The party who allows those convicted of serious violent crimes from being deported back to Somalia, the middle east and HaIti The Party who demonizes every officer in Canada when political points are to be won. Iggy and the LP of C are as spineless as jello. The only reason Iggy was not booed by the CPA is that they are too polite and respectful, unlike him and his MPs when they try to score political points against the Police. Iggy should be ashamed.


Rob
said

For all of those that support the gun registry. where do you think that criminals get guns. I am guessing that you realize that they are not shopping at the bass pro shop, for a new fully automatic to where under there trenchcoat dutifully registered? I am not a right wing gun nut, I am a realist that understands criminals dont care about the register. Is there credible data that illustrates how many crimes have been solved using the gun registry to link the weapon to the crime.But alas that information will not be made available.


Will
said

Mr. Harper always goes too far with these ads. I wish he would stick to governing the country. Someone needs to remind them that they are not in an election.


Alex (Toronto)
said

Liberals can't target Conservative MPs in urban ridings because... there aren't any! Could this be why? Maybe we should support parties that have policies to actually prevent crime, instead of being "tough" on a handful of criminals after the fact?


Del
said

In Canadian politics, the so called "party Line" seems to be what the party leader wants, OR ELSE.Looks a lot like dictatorship to me.


Toby
said

The Cons do not think that Iggy has the right to tell his caucus how to vote. What a bunch of hypocrites - when they support a party run by a dictator (Mr Harper) who requires all members to lick his boots. A perfect example is when Belinda Stronach was not going to support his budget, he tore her to pieces - why because she is a woman and he is an ass.


SK Freedom Lover
said

Typical Liberal bullying...why isn't Iggy allowing a free vote so that Lib MPs can represent their electorate like the NDP? Why isn't he opposing this wasteful program? Why is he so bent on denying basic rights to a significant number of Canadians, including First Nations? What is he afraid of?


R Honey
said

B. Kelly - "The system that we have is not a democracy. It is simply an elected dictatorship that leaves us totally vulnerable to the whims of four party leaders and their own personal ambitions."I could not have said it better. You nailed that one, for sure. Bravo!


Doug
said

Oh for cryin out bloody loud!! Why is it that you cannot say the truth without being forced to grovel and beg forgiveness from all of the people who make a livng off of being offended all of the time.Just shut down the useless registry.


Danny Dinosaur
said

Another fine example of the Harper Cons idea of healthy debate. Instead of raising intelligent issues, they raise issues that only promote disrespect. Well done again and thanks for the extra mailers - that i paid for. Hopefully any of us who are able to read, can understand that it is not unusual for political parties to be required to vote as a group. It has happened many times in the past and it will happen in the future. When will Canadians get tired of a government that continuously debates through personal attack and innuendo. The issue is about dividing people and even a country for the pay back of power. There is no definitive answer on gun control and whether it works nor will there ever be. It is pure divisive politics designed to get people to fight. It is already an emotional issue and for the government to fuel strong emotions is totally irresponsible. Shame on you Mr. Harper. You should join the Tea Party movement in the U.S.


Dave in Surrey
said

WOW... One of the posters is comparing the Liberals to the Nazis... WOW... I believe it is called Godwin's law, meaning anytime someone uses the Nazis for comparison is an instant loss in the debate as they clearly are unable to discuss the issue with out lowering it down to a level no one should ever go... Sad how the ConservativeTV allows such debate, but it does suit their purpose of promoting Harper and his agenda...


LP
said

Unless I'm wrong the gun registry is for tracking stolen guns, not punishing legal gun owners. Creating a national database of legal guns mekes sense. Maybe just executed poorly. Certainly the idea of making it in to a cash grab is a backwards approach. You want people to willingly register. One fee per gun and a no charge renewal seems reasonable. But hey I'm not a gun person, so what do I know. I own a car and I have to register it perpetually and I don't see it as a waste. It is for everyones protection including the legal owner.


JR
said

The Cons are whipped on this one too (just like they were on the Quebec as a nation vote) but the gunnies won't complain about that whipping because it's in their favour. How about lobbying Harper to make this a confidence vote and going to the polls on it?


Matt from Oshawa
said

how many times has Harper whipped members of his party? this is normal politics that fact that some people are putting down ignatieff for doing this just shows they are partisan fan boys and not well meaning citizens of our wonderful country.


Richard in Ontario
said

The Libs can slag Steven Harper and the Conservative government all they want. One quote here today says that the gun registry costs taxpayers 2 million dollars a year. To a Liberal that's just a drop in the bucket. My concern and anti gun registry position is the fact this program has cost us 2 Billion already. And that billion is with a capital B. No on can show that it is effective in any way. Didn't protect the OPP officer that died in Ontario recently. And it now appears that Mr Harper isn't an ogre when he controls his caucus. Count Iggy shows that this is also the Lliberal way.


Jeremy in Thunder Bay, On
said

All I know is that we have NDP's in Thunder Bay now for what reason I have no idea, but I know that if these MPPs vote against this gun legislation they will not be here very long I guarantee that. Say good bye to your nice pension. The liberals members in rural Canada that vote against this legislation will be lining up for Unemployment insurance as well.


Matt
said

AEre you paying attention Mr. Layton??? If you play this right and continue to allow your members to vote their choice at third reading, you may very well be able to pick up these 8 Liberal seats next election. These 8 Libs need to ask themselves what they are more worried about: Any discipline from their lame duck leader, or having their constituents vote them out of office. And what is this constant rural Canadian thing? I live in Toronto and want the registy GONE.


haywood
said

...........and this is how democracy in Kanada works...........vote my way or your out the door.......nice


Bill from Winnipeg
said

And you attended the speech did you Gareth? I thought not, so I guess Victors version is just as likely to be right as your is..................


Adam in Ottawa
said

@ Dean in NL. Get off the cross already! I live in the city now, but have lived in the country before. I even owned a couple of rifles. Sold one when I moved to the city, kept the other one. It is currently locked up in the basement and is registered. There is no good reason anyone can give for not having a weapon registered! No one is saying you can't own them!


Mike J.
said

I would say that the Fiberal party of Canada is going to implode come election if and when they will ever have the guts to call one,all they have been doing is going after individuals in the Tory party and even one that is a private citizen,while the Torys are trying to Govern this country,clean up Immigration,long gun Registry,crime bills,Canadian Military...etc while the Fiberals are agaist everything the Gov.is trying to do , even go as far as saying out the sides of their mouths that the Canadian military are war criminals ...I think the Old Democratic party will work with TORIES better in opposition than the FIBS only because the tories will finally have the majority that they deserve...they definitly lie the least out of all the partys...


Norm in Ontario
said

The whole political system in this country is so pitiful, one should just sit back and laugh at it. The politicians act like a bunch of buffoons and morons, slamming each other. There are so many real problems in this country, I fail to understand why all parties cannot work to a common end. Oh wait, yes they do, staying at the trough.


Jerry in Calgary
said

The person that the Conservatives ought to be "targeting" is Liberal leader Ignatiuf instead of Liberal MPs. These LiberalMPs are going to vote however they wish to vote and no amount of "Conservative" persuation is going to change their mind or decision. Ignatiuf is the one who is out on a limb right now and needs to explain himself for having first supported the bill to do away with the gun registry. His 180 degree turn and about face to now refuse to support the bill is indicative of his wavering and indecision and needs to be called out on it. If I were Stephen Harper (polls indicate strong support for the Conservatives) I would make this bill a "non confidence bill" thereby calling out and exposing Ignatiuf for his weaknesses as a leader. I say enough of this political posturing of "on again...off again" and go for the Liberal jugular. I truly believe that the Canadian people would no doubt reward the Conservatives and put them back in power for a 3rd consecutive term and thereby also silencing the Liberals once and for all.


spaz
said

2 grown men acting like kids......All the gun registry has produced is the ability to make tax dollars dissapear....Police do take the easiest way of doing anything....seat belt blitz's, radar traps are my 2 favorites....is it about fighting crime ??? ....or generating revenue ???If a " HELLS ANGEL " was spotted not wearing a seat belt......would an officer stop him ??? Would the officer show greater caution apraoching the vehicle if the " HELLS ANGEL " was in the canadian firearms data bank...or not ???Why not make the gun registry a "confidence vote" and then we can really see how serious IGGY is on risking an election.......think IGGY ever read the story of the little boy who cried wolf ??


Stu from London
said

Wow, what a Conservative conundrum! Conservatives, who normally support the police, are now disagreeing with the police position that the Registry should remain on the books! What ever shall they do? Solider on with repealing it, I guess! It appears a line will be drawn between the Conservatives who support the police and the Conservatives who support repealing the Registry. I wonder how that will turn out. It's the police who utilize the tool, I would think significant weight should be put on their opinion. A lot of people commenting here seem to think it hasn't solved one crime. Care to tell me how the Registry itself would solve a crime? It's a tool utilized by police for when they're called to an address or to deal with a specific individual to check whether or not a gun is registered to the address, or the name. They can use that information in deciding how to proceed with the situation from there. I think supporters are way off base suggesting it's useless. Clearly, the people who use the Registry don't think so.


GHW
said

Ah rats! I was so disappointed when the long gun registration was originally implemented and was so looking forward to it being removed. I want to go goose hunting again but refuse to have my name on a Police watch list. Governments can be so annoying some times. In my opinion this registry crosses the line. As a law biding citizen why do I have to give up my personal freedoms for a largely ineffective program like this? The amount of benefit to the police does not justify the infringement on my rights. Come on, do the right thing and get rid of this registry.


Vanc Guy
said

Typical left wing desperation - even if something doesn't work and costs a fortune they try to defend their stupidity.How many Liberals does it take to screw in a lightbulb? We're still waiting for their committee meeting to find out.


MARG MM
said

Liberals call PM Harper a "dictator", saying he doesn't believe in democracy. How do you feel now that your idol Ignatieff is showing HIS "dictatorship??? As to democracy, anyone who leads a party, that hasn't been elected by the party members, doesn't appear to be very "democratic". Taking away the gun registry does NOT mean that guns won't need to be licenced. That will still be mandatory. Do any of you know a criminal that has either registered or licenced a gun??? Didn't think so. As to the police, ask the cop on the beat what the registry does for him, you might be surprised to find that he says"not much". Police Chiefs and associations are usually politically motivated. If it is true that they access the registry 11,500 (at least this week) a day, then Canada is in a lot more trouble than we think. Why do they keep telling us that crime is going down, or is that politically motivated too???


Erock
said

I whole heartily agree that a member of parliament cannot / should not, force his members into voting for what the liberal leader says. Each individual representative was voted in for his ideas by the people. To Me it seems like the liberals are pulling a move from the book of Communism.


NS
said

Iggy should take a "Canadian" lesson in democracy. No one has ever given him a single vote in Canada...since he was appointed Liberal leader...and now he is acting as a Dictactor over all VOTED IN Liberal MPs!! This is beyond shocking.....Their is no Liberal representaion in the House for Canadian Liberal voterswhile Iggy is Liberal Leader..SHAMEFULL!


Rob NS
said

If my MP flipped on this..because he was "Ordered" to by party leader....then he might as well change ridings for the next election. We vote MPS to represent us, Canadians voters, not one single man leading a third rate opposition party.


John, Halifax, NS
said

@Mel BlakeSo Harper is allowing a free vote among his own MPs? He never has, and I don't expect that to change. Ask any Conservative MP is they've EVER had a free vote since Harper took the party leadership, actually go a step further, ask them if they're allowed to speak without permission. Sadly the answer to both questions is no.


Goldens
said

It is amazing what the Liberal leader will do to punish and deny charter rights to legal law abiding Canadians who have done no wrong and have only contributed to the well being of Canada and Canadian society. John Wilson Bridgetown NS


Dan from Northern Ont
said

Politics are all about hypocrisy. Regardless, the CPC is merely capitalizing over dissidence within the Liberal Party, and hoping to put some public pressure on rural MPs. Rota's riding in particular has had Conservative MPs before, so it's a good riding to pressure.This is no different than the Liberal capitalizing on Afghanistan torture allegations, or Jaffer. It's all a game to both sides.


John, Halifax, NS
said

Wow, I don't care if you support or don't support this legislation.Anytime a party in Canada uses our tax dollars to campaign in ridings, we should storm parliament and demand the resignation of these members.I don't care whether you're green, ndp, conservative, or liberal - you don't campaign on my dime...that's what political donations are for.And any Canadian supporting them doing so, isnt' a Canadian in my books.


mahanna ali
said

in the political world of "tit for tat" the inference by this conservative mp (ignatieff should be beaten...)is no different then a liberal "ad" showing our prime minister in the process of being assassinated...(the infamous news picture of lee harvey oswald being gunned down by jack ruby but with a photo of stephen harpers face in place of oswalds...)


dean in NL
said

Adam in Ottawa, i guess im one of those redneck, rural yokles who need you to tell us how to live since you live in the big city, i just live where your food comes from and since it is mostly the rural folks, like me, who put on the uniform and use big bad guns to protect your right to resemble the south end of a north bound horse, your welcome


mahanna ali
said

i believe that this is the third reading for this private member's bill...that means that it has already passed the first two readings, and now iggy wants his entire party to vote against it...the only difference in the situation now is perhaps that the senate no longer has liberal domination...it appears that the lpc is between a rock and a bullet...if those same eight liberal mps continue to vote in favour of elimination of the registry, then the liberal party will come across as fractured...if they falter and abide by party line then that could be eight disgraced mp's in the eyes of their constituents...(aka - eight more votes for the conservatives?)


Dale from Saskatchewan
said

What urbanlegends.com says about that quote: "....This quotation, however, effective it may be as propaganda, is a fraud....This quotation, often seen without any date or citation at all, suffers from several credibility problems, the most significant of which is that the date often given has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration, nor would there have been any need for the Nazis to pass such a law, since gun registration laws passed by the Weimar government (in part to address street violence between Nazis and Communists) were already in effect."People, research before publishing!


Doug # BC
said

OMG. A whipped vote by the Liberals and people accuse the Conservatives of being the bullies.Who does "Iggy" think he is? The leader of the NDP.If Liberals want to talk about real democracy,their members should be voting in accordance with the wishes of their constituents on this isse.B By whipping the Liberal MP's,Mr.Ignatieff is proving what most of us in the west already know.That the Liberal Party of Canada is an extension of the Liberal Party of Ontario.Policies are created to staisfy Torontonians and those in unban Ontario.Westerners and rural citizens can be thown under the bus if it means Liberals can be returned to power. The long gun registry is bad legislation.Even most Liberals know that now.They just can't bring themselves to admit they screwed it up. I do not favour a Harper majority.But,if that's what it takes to get the Liberals thinking clearly on the ISSUES,so be it.I do know,that a return of the Liberals scares me a whole lot more than Harper does.The real bullies are the Liberals, and the way they bully Canadians.They have just mastered the art of dictating while hiding in sheeps clothing.They are,in fact,"NDP Lite". A party that whips most votes,while trying to claim the moral high ground on issues of democracy and citizens rights.


Fred - Brandon MB
said

Wayne Easter has no business criticizing the decorum shown by other members. He has shown no class in his comments and behaviours in the past. Everytime he opens his mouth he offends me, and all sensible Canadians.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

@ Rick in NB, Ste Marie: Are you serious? I've single-handedly "hurt the reputation" of an individual who thrust himself into the public realm, as a POLITICIAN no less?! Gee, Rick; you've flattered me today. (I had no idea that I was so powerful. However, come to think of it, judging by the way certain Liberal supporters continually exhibit the amusing inability to resist jumping on my comments, I must be quite "influential.") Contrary to your silly secondary assertion, Rick, I DO know Iggy, on a "professional" level, for he is an elected POLITICIAN who regularly displays his partisan thoughts, ideas, and positions (in public). Have you ever heard me, say, critique his parenting skills? I'm sure Michael Ignatieff is a lovely and charming man, and a skilled academic...but, as a major federal political figure with a strong hand in our government as Liberal (Opposition) Leader, he is largely a failure who Canadians are refusing to support en masse (read: scared of handing him even minority control). Your political sensitivity is clouding your perspective with irrational judgment.


Paul Vancouver Island
said

Conservatives want Canadians to own guns and do not want the police to know who owns those guns. At least Michael Ignatieff is proposing improvements and should be commended for his efforts in helping the police. Michael Ignatieff is also correct to ask that criminality be removed for not registering a gun; a fine is more than appropriate. A good point was also made to simplify the process. Keep the gun registry.


Frank Buchan
said

The advertisement was ill-considered and irritating, but the more disturbing trend is what some have pointed out -- whipping the vote on a private members bill is in poor taste, at least, and seriously skewing tradition. As for whipping votes in general, its part of the party system and anyone who believes all parties not equally guilty are ignorant of that system evidently.But the issue of the long-gun registry is about its value proposition, and it simply doesn't have one. Yes, long guns have killed people, but the percentage return against the lifetime cost of this program is enormous and more lives could have been saved spending less money on more dangerous things.


Doug
said

Is Iffy forcing his caucus to eat a bif helping of waffles?


Roy/Sask
said

The great mind of Iggy just put the seats of 8 Liberals in jeopardy and insured the Liberal Party in the west is dead and buried.If the deadly use of firearms is really his objective then stopping the illegal smuggling of mainly automatic hand held weapons (the main choice of the criminal element) should be his attack target, not the long guns of law abiding citizens. Give your head a shake Iggy.


Token small-town conservative
said

Havelock Heavy asks our Conservative M.P.'s to talk to vicims of gun violence. Okay, maybe their Liberal M.P.'s can do that also and explain to these victims how the criminal is actually the victim, and deserve every luxury they can get in jail, and get out with double or triple time served in stir, and all the other "initiatives" the left wing can think of to protect our valued criminals from the big, bad society that forced them to commit these violent acts that got them in trouble in the first place. Socialists just don't get justice issues, never did and never will. I can't help but notice that most of the posters for the Liberals are coming from "T.O." and couldn't give less of a care about the majority of the law abiding firearm owners in rural Canada that are putting up the biggest fight on this matter. How many of these "gun violence victims" were injured or killed with unregistered weapons? How about this: you left winger hand wringing socialists take care of your worker's paradise in "T.O." and let us in the sticks take care of our situation, and you can stop telling the rest of the country how to live!


Dean in NL
said

Ok, so all winter all we heard from Iggy is democracy is silenced, the will of the people muzzelled. and now when there is a vote on a Private Members Bill, which has by tradition and pratice been a free vote and has been on the other 2 readings, he flips (again) and whips the vote. now if thats not silencing democracy and muzzelling the voice of the people nothing is. those 8 MP's voted in line with what their constituants wanted, now after meeting with a lobby group the CACP he has to whip everybody in line, seems convienent.Iggy the voice of the people was heard in the last 2 readings of this bill, not that you were apparently listening, and the voice should be heard on the 3rd reading. If, that is, you do support the Canadian People not just the alter of power your party seems to worship at.


Whitehorse Wil
said

As a resident of rural Canada, I can assure this Tory MP that we have a whole lot more on our minds than gun registries. It's ironic that the party that is "Law and Order" apparently don't like to take advice from the very people we entrust the enforcement of our laws and safety to. The conservative position on the gun registry is more about trying to make political points with the voters and making decisions on the basis of ideology rather than governing with facts and informed advice.


Mel Blake
said

So Harper is allowing a free vote among his own MPs?


Dr. M
said

The kind of language in this ad reminds me of Sarah Pallin's "crosshairs" comment, when she urged what appears to be a violent response to democrats who didn't vote the way she felt they should on healthcare How ironic.. There is an implication of violence behind these remarks that is not appropriate in a democratic country. It's true that politics can be nasty, and people have to have a thick skin to play. But this isn't just about hurt feelings. There has to be a line somewhere, or we risk undermining the possibility of civil discourse, and without that, we can slid into real armed conflict. I suggest that we maintain our civility by avoiding ad hominem comments, juvenille put downs, and threats of violence as a bare minimum. People who have to call names or make threats reveal their own insecurity about their arguments. Politicians of all parties, and the general public, should stand together in support of democratic principles and plain decent behaviour, not offer rationalizations about how nasty democracy can be. The more we rationalize it, the nastier it gets.


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

It has been reported that some registered long guns have been used by murders.Yes the police use the registry BUT a smart officertreats each call (domestic etc.) as if a firearm might be present in the dwelling . Knowing that a registered firearm is in the dwelling is not going to save lives. The illegalfirearms will always be with us. Registering long guns has cost us billions and may have given a false sense of security to some. There are thousands of unregistered long guns that otherwise law abiding Canadians have in their homes that will never be registered no matter what. The people that own these unregistered gunscome from all political backgrounds.


Raj
said

This whipped vote, its going to come back an bite those libs in the butt!


Ivan
said

Those who criticize the Libs. for voting as a block, seem to think the Cons. are free to vote against the party. Polls show that in some Cons. ridings, this legislation is supported. Why are you not demanding a free vote for them as well?


Edb(Hamilton)
said

Well Pat in GTA, when a criminal intending harm enters your home, and you cower in the corner hoping Bill Blair and his band of happy pranksters come to save you, myself and all the other "gun nuts" will sleep soundly knowing that when it comes to defense of family, WE are ultimately the first line of defense. Not the guy who fills out the report while the ambulance takes you away!


LaserGuy
said

This release, whether actually sent out by Garry or not, speaks the truth, and as we all know, Liberals can't handle the truth. The sooner this useless money sucking Liberal scheme is put to rest the better. I can't think of anything more useless than something that the police say they use 11,500 times a day (and apparently growing daily like pinocchio's nose), and STILL can't show where it's has prevented, or even solved a single crime! That's 4 million, one hundred and ninety seven thousand, 500 police accesses every year, and can't show a single useful result. Give your collective heads a shake people. That's the very definition of useless.


Gareth Hitchings
said

Bill from Winnipeg:Hate to burst your bubble there but Victor Penner's quote is a well-documented lie. Hitler never said that, it's just a myth the gun-nuts invented to try to justify their otherwise weak argument. Check your history and then examine the facts - there's only one leader in this country who shuts down parliament repeatedly so that he can dictate without consent and it isn't Michael Ignatieff.


Mutt from Windsor
said

Unlike most Liberals, the Conservative MP was quick to apologize for the ad. Please look at the big picture. The registry has not saved a single life and has done nothing for forcing drug dealers, organized crimnals and bikers to register their weapons. It has been a multi billion dollar boon doggle that the Liberals have not apologized for. Iggy is so desparate, he will grasp at any straw to rally his fragmented party.Give it up Iggy, its an old fight, if you want to really lead, come up with something more current like jobs or how Canada will respond to a nucear Iran.


Jim
said

Private members bills (such as the registry repeal bill) are free vote bills in parliamentary convention. Whipping a vote on a private member bill is the definition of bullying by a party leader.Iggy is off base on this one and totally out of touch with the electorate who have repeatedly indicated in poll after poll they want this useless money waster scrapped. Defending the registry and digging up the corpse of failed Liberal gun control systems is a dead loser at the polls.Iggy has been getting bad policy advice for some time now, he really should fire these advisors, they act like they are working for the other side.


Sharon in North York
said

You'd think that Mr. Harper & his attack dogs (sorry, that was unfair to our canine friends) willl smear anybody to get their own way. Geez, attacking political rivals is one thing but how 'bout calling Canadian Police Chiefs a "cult????" You'd think a sane government would listen to the country's Police Chiefs on matters of law and order, wouldn't you??????


Brian fr Langley
said

To say how outraged I am about the long gun registry is an understatement. I'm rural, I farm and I deal with frequently with vermin, wildlife threats and unhappily even the humane destruction of suffering animals. I do not believe this is the ideoligical divide painted by current debates. This is rather a more classic urban/rural worldview conflict with certain politicians pandering to the more lucrative (so to speak) voters in MP electing urban centres. What I find so stunningly hypocritical of the urban gun registry crowd is the number of lives to be saved by registering long guns pales into insignificance next to how many lives are lost each year as a result of automobiles. The money spent on long gun registry if directed to auto safety would surely yield a far larger crop of saved lives than the long gun registry. Assuming saving lives is what we've all been talking about?


Rick in NB, Ste Marie
said

@ Prof Pye Chartt, no need being offended, your still #1 when it comes to hurting the reputation of people you don't know. So, go take your rightful place at the partisan slop trough, you've earned it.


Greg in Cambridge
said

So much for a Democracy eh Ignatieff?


Pat from GTA
said

It's not surprising that the gun nuts in the CPC would do everything in their power to ensure a ready supply of guns for the criminal element. The arm-a-thug GUNservatives would love to see guns being sold on every street corner regardless of the devastation those guns cause. After scrapping the gun registry, they will no doubt pass laws giving law abiding gun nuts (i.e. criminals) a tax subsidy to help buy ammunition.


Henry Wysmulek
said

So the un-elected liberal party leader is going to force his members to vote the way mr. dictator wants? Big surprise, since he forced his party to accept him as leader without so much as a leadership vote.This is liberal democracy!


Dadio
said

These days of corrupt company exec,s, Politicians names and the drug cocain in the same news artical,makes me sit back and wonder were it is all going. Guys the gun registry clearly ,without a doubt was a huge waste of taxpayers money and has been absolutly proven to have no effect on crime. So I ask what is your hidden agenda Michael Ignatieff , and whos drum do you really march for ?


Doug in BC
said

The police want the registry. Give it to them. I like it with the amendments. This approach seems well thought out and not pure ideology. We have seen Harper attack the courts, attack the police, attack Elections Canada, attack women, attack the arts, attack science - it is always easier to tear something down, isn't it?


Adam in Ottawa
said

So the Cons are still catering to the redneck yokels who don't think they should have to register their firearms? Not a big shock. They'll even take the whining of these rural fools over the advice of every police association in the country. If it only ever saves one life on either side of the law then the whole thing will be worth it. It just proves that the Conservative party doesn't care about people, only pushing their corrupt, twisted morality onto everyone!


dawn
said

itty bitty CONS whining because you have to register a gun...get a life you morons and leave the long gun registry alone...so what if you have to register a gun..if your doing nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about


Ron from NS
said

To all those Conservative posters who say Ignatieff is wrong to tell his party's MPs how to vote is anti democratic. What happened the last time a MP from the Conservatives voted against what Harper told them? He (Bill Casey) voted for his constituents and he got tossed out by Harper. So when will yo


Havelock Heavy
said

Typical Conservative propaganda. I hope it's the Conservative Party that is paying for this cynical cowardly attack and NOT my tax dollars. Conservative MPs should go back into their ridings and visit with Canadians that have fallen prey to gun related violence and reflect on that before they vote.


jroc
said

Ahh yes the "WAR ROOM" is pushing full steam ahead for the all out conservative smear and spin campaign of tv,radio, and what every canadian loves to see in their mail box good'ol HARPER junk mail!


Bill from Winnipeg
said

THANK YOU VICTOR PENNER...........EVERYONE SHOULD READ HIS POSTING ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !


David from Ottawa
said

The gun registry costs 3 million dollars a year to run. That 10 cents per canadian. Its a drop in the bucket compared to other government expendatures. Since the police think its a good tool I'm willing to throw in my 10 cents.


Jay-TO
said

Commentors like Dustin need to watch question period and the usual day to day in the HOC because they obviously have no clue. The conservatives only have whipped votes. There is no individuality and nothing happens without Harpers approval. So give it a rest about this one time Iggy does it. What a bunch of cry baby liars you CONS are.


Edb(Hamilton)
said

Well done Garry, I've followed your fight against this sham from the first day; the comments about the chiefs of police are spot on. They are a pathetic Liberal cult. When serious crime issues arise, they can typically be found hiding under their desk or at a photo opp championing the latest seat belt blitz. When it comes to disarming law abiding citizens, they all of a sudden pretend to be police officers again leading the charge.Once the registry is repealed, maybe you can reignite your property rights campaign.


Al
said

The gun registry is already in place and has cost taxpayers millions. In my opinion it should stay in place. All guns purchased from stores are now registered and that registration should be passed on to new owners when the gun is sold by individuals. You register your vehicle, which is for personal use, so why not guns. What it doesn't do is prevent acts of violence or criminal activity. If police have to react to a situation the fact that there has been no weapon registered doesn't mean there are none present, so they should react at all times as if there are weapons present. We don't register knives or axes and I know of two persons who were shot by police for threatening them with those instruments.


Carl
said

What is unusual and disturbing about this case is that Ignatieff is ordering his MPs to vote a certain way on a Private Members' Bill - a piece of legislation that was introduced by an individual MP, and is not a part of the government's agenda. All parties customarily allow their MPs to vote however they want on such bills. By breaking with that custom, Ignatieff is setting a precedent that further undermines the role of MPs as representatives of their constituents.


Ian Dummigan
said

How much longer are Canadian taxpayers going to foot the massive bill for this useless money pit?


B. Kelley, Unrepresented in Ontario
said

The three ring circus surrounding the gun issue is unfortunately distracting attention away from the real problem. A system where a party leader "orders" his MP's to vote as he decides can hardly be called a democracy. Between elections the views of voters in any particular constituency are mostly ignored unless they happen to line up with the leader's personal biases. "Party discipline" is just another example of our politicians' arrogant disregard and disdain for the people who elect them. Telling your local MP and MPP about your views and opinions and what you expect of them is a complete waste of time and intellectual energy. The system that we have is not a democracy. It is simply an elected dictatorship that leaves us totally vulnerable to the whims of four party leaders and their own personal ambitions.


RK in MB
said

Anyone who thinks that a leader insisting that the members of the party vote a certain way is new is out of touch. This has been happening since the party system began. We need independent MP's to be the logic in Parliament.


Carl
said

Very poor judgement and leadership on Ignatieff's part. One of two things must now happen when the vote is held: Either Liberal MPs will be proven to lack integrity or Ignatieff will be proven to lack leadership. By ordering them to flip-flop on this issue, Ignatieff is placing his own MPs between a rock and a hard place. When allowed to vote according to the interests of their constituents, these Liberal MPs voted in favour of the bill to kill the registry. If they now vote differently, it will be obvious that they are putting the party line (ie. their own political interests) ahead of the interests of their constituents. That should be very damaging to these MPs. I would be furious with my leader if I were one of these MPs, and certainly would not do as he told me. If Iggy wanted to whip his caucus on this issue, he should have done so from the outset, instead of changing his strategy in midstream and hanging his own MPs out to dry.


Margaret
said

He's a liar. The only bully leader in Parliament is Stephen Harper. They're all muzzled and controlled to the Nth degree in the Tory caucus. Typical - vicious language, vicious tactics, vicious ReformTories.


Chris
said

Foreced to vote against your thought by the Dictator Iffy seems to be right?? Nope! Libs here are desperate. Get used to poeple! Liberals are dead!


Victor Penner
said

"This year will go down in history! For the first time,a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future" (Adolph Hitler in 1935)


Stephen B
said

LIBERALS: We stand for nothing. We offer nothing.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz's remarks regarding Michael Ignatieff were nothing short of atrocious, disrespectful, and needlessly inflammatory. I, for one, am deeply offended. Clearly, in a desperate and uncontrolled attempt to outperform me, somebody associated with the MP crossed the moveable line drawn by righteous Liberals. Politics is a harsh game that often tramples tender feelings. ...I think we've all learned something today.


Art
said

It is funny how when the liberal mps are told to vote a certain way that they are being bullied, but when Harper tells his mps to vote a certain way it's ok.Harper always wanted more free votes when he was in opposition, but I can't think of a single case since he came to power where a single one of his mps has not voted the party line. Pot-kettle-black.


Dean in Abby
said

The gun registry was one of the Liberals' biggest boondoggles in history. All it did was mollify the city votes and those who jump on bandwagons, like the "green" movement. No where can it be shown to have stopped or slowed gun crimes and most certainly, it didn't make the criminals rush out to register their weapons. How foolish all of you people are to think that the bad guys would adhere to the law. If people would play nice all of the time, how many laws would there need to be? Get rid of this ridiculous money pit of a circus and all of the gov't employees who "run" it and we'll all have more money available for the gov't to spend, (waste), on us on new vote getting causes. Political correctness as a way of garnering votes is becoming rather excessive wouldn't you say?


Al
said

Whats the difference in what Breitkreuz said and what Wayne Easter said? As far as I'm concerned they are both inappropriate comments and borders on childish. Just shows the quality of politicians we have today. Sad.


Jeff - Fredericton
said

If anyone is qualified to talk about a political party being a bully, then the Conservative MP Garry Breitkreuz doesn't need to look further than his own.


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

What a "Helluva Stupid Issue" to start with.The liberals are a lost bunch of birds, chasing an issue that has cost the Canadian Tax Payers hundreds of millions of dollars.This whole Long Gun Issue is a bunch of garbage and was and is something we as the people of Canada "Never did need".Iggy is probably the most inept leader the liberals have ever had.This escapee from the American educational system would be better oof teaching in a day care centre.This way Iggy could live in his fairy land of dreams and feel satisfied.Anyone who lends any credence, to anything he does or says, needs to book themselves into a mental health centre for evaluation.Forget another dollar on this issue and get on with cleaning up the needs of Canadians.


Dustin
said

Does anybody else not see anything wrong with Ignatieff forcing his MP's to vote a certain way. Here I thought this whole time the MP's were representatives of the people not Ignatieff. Let the MP's vote in line with their constituents on this issue as it deserves a proper representation of the people.


Rose Power
said

And these people are elected to represent us? Disgraceful.


Gareth Hitchings
said

Am I the only one who sees a disconnect between a government that endlessly harps on about its Law and Order agenda but then attacks the Police and calls them a Cult when they ask for the tools they say helps them do their jobs? It's like saying they support the troops and then cancelling their armoured vehicle contract.....oh wait, they did that too.


Gregoryd
said

Again one man dictates what all mps in his party must vote. This is not democracy. MPs should vote their constituents wishes as they elected them to represent them not the leader of the party. I hope if they do vote against their constituents they are thown out in the next election. We need a large number of independents to take control of parliment and put government back in the people's hands where it should be in a democracy.


Jack R
said

Typical Conservative bullying. No surprise that if they don't get their way, they always resort to the threat of violence. If he made these threats and they're credible, I would have him charged with uttering. It's a criminal offence.


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