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Chief of the Toronto Police Service Bill Blair appears on CTV's Power Play from Toronto, on Tuesday, April 20, 2010.

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Chief of the Toronto Police Service Bill Blair appears on CTV's Power Play from Toronto, on Tuesday, April 20, 2010.

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Chief of the Toronto Police Service Bill Blair appears on CTV's Power Play from Toronto, on Tuesday, April 20, 2010.

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Date: Tue. Apr. 20 2010 10:10 PM ET

The president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police says his organization needs to do a better job of educating rural Canadians on how police use the long-gun registry.

"Police chiefs and police officers who work right across Canada, in rural communities and in urban communities in every region of this country use this registry and they use it to keep those communities safe," Bill Blair, who is also chief of Toronto's police service, told CTV's Power Play.

"I think the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police and the Canadian Police Association have to do a better job of communicating that information to all Canadians, including rural Canadians. That will help people understand why we're so strongly supporting maintaining this registry."

The Canadian Police Association, the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, and the Canadian Association of Police Boards all support the registry.

However, Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner has introduced a private members bill to scrap it. Bill C-391 would also destroy the registry's records on about seven million shotguns and rifles. The bill will likely have its final reading in May.

"This is one of those rare issues where the police chiefs of Canada, the police unions of Canada and those responsible for governance and oversight of police services are united in our common cause," Blair said.

"The registry has worked exceptionally well for us. That information, if lost to us, would directly impact on our ability to conduct criminal investigations and to keep our officers and our communities safer."

Following Blair's comments, Hoeppner defended the bill she introduced, saying that it would not change the requirements for licensing, storage or transportation of firearms.

"All it does is change the requirements to register long guns," she said.

"My bill also wouldn't change the information that police officers have" because they would still be able to pull up who is a licensed gun owner, she added.

However, Blair said police access the registry 11,500 times a day to find out details such as the type and number of long guns registered to a licensed owner.

"Going into a potentially dangerous situation that information can help keep a cop safe," he said.

Police also rely on the registry to conduct criminal investigations related to firearm thefts, and to encourage responsible storage, sales and disposal of weapons, he said.

Yesterday, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff proposed a number of amendments to the registry intended to bolster support for it in Liberal-held rural ridings.

Ignatieff suggested abolishing fees to obtain, renew or upgrade a gun licence, "streamlining" the registration process and making first-time registration offences a "non-criminal, ticketing offence." He also said members of his caucus who vote for the bill will face disciplinary measures.

But whether or not Liberal MPs will vote unanimously against scrapping the registry remains to be seen. When Bill C-391 came up for second reading in November, some Liberals and New Democrats voted with Tory MPs to pass the bill.

The Liberal leader's decision to enforce party discipline on the vote has angered some legislators.

Saskatchewan MP Garry Breitkreuz even suggested that Ignatieff should be physically assaulted.

"His true colours are showing and, if his caucus has any integrity, those colours should be black and blue," Breitkreuz said in a statement released Tuesday.

He also wrote that The Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police is "like a cult."

"They should be ashamed."

With files from The Canadian Press

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Dan
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Bill Blair fails to point out that the reason why the registry is queried 11,500 per day is because the police database is linked to the gun registry database so that when an officer queries a name, an automatic query of the registry is done. So if he were to be honest, he would say that the police don't actually query the registry 11,500 times per day. I doubt that Bill Blair has been out on the street for the past 25 years anyway, and if he has he hasn't policed in the rural community. The point that those apposed to the long gun registry are trying to make is that spending 1 billion per year on a registry that does nothing to prevent illegal guns from getting into the hands of those who would use them illegally, is ludicrous. If you were to ask the members of the association of chiefs of police what they really think about needing a registry they would likely admit that it is politically correct to say we need one. Any police officer who actually relies on the registry to tell him how to respond to a call, is not someone most cops would want as a partner.


Peter in MB
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“I came to Ottawa…with the firm belief that the only people in this country who should have guns are police officers and soldiers.” - Former Liberal Minister of Justice Allan Rock 1994.The gun registry was never about public safety it was the first part of a plan to ban to ban civilian ownership of Guns."This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." Adolf Hitler 1935…Gun control is nothing more than "people control." Politicians can pass all the laws they want, but still the lawless will not obey the laws! We as home and property owners need, and should have the right to protect ourselves and family. And as crime becomes more rampant, laws should be directed at the criminals, NOT THE LAW ABIDING CITIZEN! We need to arm our law abiding citizens, not disarm them!


David Ottawa
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"I 've utilized the gun registry when preparing to execute a search warrant, and while it has alerted me if a gun is to be found at the search location, it tells me nothing about the 2nd, 3rd or more unregistered guns that are found at the same location."And if every law abiding person registered their guns, it would tell you that those that didn't had malicious intent. Those people selfish enogh to prevent the registry from working by fighting it are indirectly responsible for the death of innocent people.


Havelock Heavy
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I think Chief Blair is right, more education is needed. Police across the country also need to spend time with certain MPs too. It's a sad commentary that some of these MPs just don't get it. When I buy a car I have to register it. Before I use it I have to learn how to drive it safely. A car can provide benefit or, in the wrong hands or under the wrong circumstances, it can kill - just like a gun. Every gun in this country should be registered and data kept up to date and easily accessible to the police - no exceptions!


Capital Cop
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The numbers lie - I know when I charge someone for ANYTHING - shoplifting, fraud, prohibited driving...I'm required by internal policy to run a query of the Gun Registry simply to artificially inflate the statistics... You're all being lied to - registered guns are NOT the problem, believe me....


viral venus
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I can't believe some of you can be so silly and snide when it comes to the safety of the men and women in law enforcement. Of course they don't "call the SWAT team" if there are weapons on the premises it's just that knowing there are guns present in the home gives the officers valuable information just in case a gun owner does decide to step outside the "law abiding" label and use their weapon for violence. If the head of a large Police organization SAYS the registry helps, I think we should believe him instead of a bunch of whiny gun owners who just don't want to pay a few dollars to help in improving officers' safety.


David Ottawa
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The government registers your dog, your cat, your car and in most places your bicycle. But you think its wrong to register your gun? Why?Why is your car registered? a government plot to confiscate cars? why do you need a bicycle licence? so they can arrest you when somone steals it from and discards it on somone elses property?Of course not!The gun registry, like all other registries is so the government can solve crimes. Its easier to kill with a gun than a bicycle! And if they know who has guns, and who is missing guns that they registered - it will help identify risks.It can help track illegal import of firearms. If you register - they know you got it legally - you took the course - you have a licence.Idf somone is in a mall with a gun, and they know he has no licence - then they know that he is a risk - not YOU!I dont want people running around with unregistered guns, just like i wouldn't want people on the roads with unregistered cars.The only reason i can think of for people hating the registry is that that are afraid of the police, or they stole the gun, or intend to do harm to someone else.Otherwise, its no more serious than getting a licence plate on your car.You farmers are just whiners.I never saw you complain when i needed to get a dog licence. But they never would have returned my dog to me to me if they hadn't known who owned it.


John
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earthwatcher, you are as nutty as Blair. You need to pass a firearms course to get an FAC. I understand why a long gun isn't needed in a large city but what about rural people who have predators (cougars and coyotes) hunting their livestock For your info I don't own a gun, Haven't for 25 years and likely won't again but this registry is a total money drain


me
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The registry is accessed everytime a CPIC check is made whether its a traffic stop for using a cell phone while driving or speeding. Anyone who states that police are accessing the registry 11,500 times a day specifically for firearms verfication must be called upon to prove it. They cannot so it is a case of deliberate misinformation. The media really needs to check into which computer company is providing computers to the Government for Firearms Registry and who has received a financial contribution to their Association to support the registry. Wake up people!


Norm
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"Police access the registry 11,500 times a day to find out such details, Blair said."Going into a potentially dangerous situation that information can help keep a cop safe," he said.Police also rely on the registry to conduct criminal investigations related to firearm thefts, and to encourage responsible storage, sales and disposal of weapons, he said. "Quoted from the article 11,500 times a day ????? what are the police doing????I thought the registry was for law abiding citizens....Why are the police using it for criminal investigations?????Wake up and start thinking for yourselves Canadians


terry geiger
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How come when you ask rank and file officers that are actually on the street or in the country they will all say the same thing. The gun registry is USELESS. Yet the elite political heads of the police in Ottawa say the opposite. I trust the officers who actually up hold the law!!!!! Get rid of this waste of money!!!!


Mark
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What the Liberals and Mr. Blair want you to believe is that the registry that is accessed "11,000 times per day" in the pursuit of crooks. The reality is that the Canadian Firearms Registration Office (CFRO) is automatically accessed by linkage with theCanadian Police Information Centre (CPIC). If anyone working with or for the police consults the CPIC for information of any kind they will automatically and unknowingly have also accessed the "Firearms Registration"...and BINGO you have a Liberal and Police Chief (and Mayor David Miler) talking point and nice juicy quote. To wit, i you are stopped at a routine RIDE check, were not drinking but asked for your ID, by checking your information the cop will have defacto also accessed the Firearms Registry...and you are now one of the "11,000 per day". If matters not if the policeman/woman was making ANY inquiry about firearms. What a lovely way to generate statistics for political purposes. Can you say "Over a billion dollars for NOTHING??". Be mindful ladies and gentlemen, this crowd will never let the truth get in the way of good Liberal (read "Controlling your life") policy.


mark
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last I heard the gun registry was close to a billion $ to maintain.thats money that could go to more boots on the ground to fight all crimes instead off one stereotyped crime called gun crime .This country is broke moneywise, do we need to throw more money into something that only law abiding citizen's will abide to.


Frank Buchan
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It's a hard sell based on its history. It is simply not cost-effective as a crime measure, and serves no other purpose. It was a boondoggle from the get-go.The problem is this registry mess cost us the chance to do a proper firearms registry by making the whole idea unpalatable.


mike
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There is never a good reason for the gov't to know you have firearms. It's only crooks and despots that fear guns in the possession of honest citizens.


AB
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Shouldn’t a police officer always assume there is a gun in the house? If the police were to check, and no gun is registered it could give them a false sense of security?? Let’s go into every situation as if there could be a weapon. Let’s be honest, the criminals are not registering their guns…


Fiend, AB
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I agree with the first poster. Relying on the registry to dictate whether you should be prepared for firearms to be present is silliness. The problem with legislating according to the wishes of the police is that the police are there as a control mechanism for society, and therefore, do not best represent the ideals of a free society. Personal privacy and freedom should always win out over mass control, otherwise you slowly find yourself living in a police state.


Gizmo
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I'm sure all the honest criminals registered their guns already. The only way I'd throw my support behind this is if there were gurarantees that none of my long guns would ever be confiscated due to changing laws and that regiistration would never cost me a cent. Scrap this ...


Kill the Registry
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Scrap the damn registry and be done with it. Power to the people and to hell with the globalists and their attempts to seize power by removing weapons from the people.


Lillian
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For Chief Blair's information, we the people of the rural areas are well educated in the waste of our hard earned dollars in this boondoggle of the long gun registry. Perhaps he should stick to policing and leave politics to the politicians.


Paul
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"Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police" is a lobby group. They get huge amounts of money from the firm (computer) that runs the gun registry.....Need anymore be said?If you are slow, that means it is about the m-o-n-e-y and nothing to do with public safety.


Allan Whitehead
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He also said that the police access the registry every other day, so which is it? I got the feeling that lying with a straight face comes easy to him.


Chris
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Mister Blair is a good libs who wants to waste our money! Criminals with wapon don't register their guns! As far as I understand that police officer didn't go far enough at school!!I don't want my money to be wasted!I would suggest to Mister Blair to give up his lib party membership! Waste as usual.


Down on Bureaucracy
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And further to the last comment, if a gun license is required to possess a shot gun or long gun and if police agencies have access to that information will they not approach a call to that household with the same caution? There are better way to spend tax dollars!


JJ
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Many firearms criminals are not registered, so the database is not significantly reliable. However, the police should be prepared in all situations anyway. The bill is not extreme in what it is proposing; it will just make it easier for law abiding farmers to own rifles.


Wes
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11,500 times a day by 365 days a year works out to 4,197,500 times per year.Roughly since the registry has been in effect, they have searched more than there are People in this country.Are we in such a horrific state that police are going into 11,500 situations a day where potentially there are registered firearms.


Earthwatcher
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angry liquored up husbands or male partners in common law situations...hmmm lets see. Angry depressed, drug users with a rifle they've never used except to legally hunt deer. No threat to police there arriving because the wife or female partner is getting the living heck beat out of her.no threat police there.more cops get killed by "ordinary" citizens with rifles and shotguns than they do by criminals with handguns (virtually always illegal handguns by the way). You have to get the image from Hollywood movies out of your head. Police don't want to intrude on your privacy or take away your unregistered long rifle or shotgun. They want to keep innocent people from getting shot, from self inflicted gunshot suicides and yes, keep themselves from getting shot at by otherwise ordinary citizens.wrap you head around it Iggy...bad call


R Gordon
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I seriously doubt that any self-respecting police officer would enter a potentially dangerous situation relying on what he can glean from gun registery info. Surely our police are smarter than that.


Rob
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What a joke. What diference does it make if a house has a gun license holder or actual registered non restricted rifles? does he call an airstrike in on the house? These guys wonder why the RCMP and other Canadian police agencies bleed away respect on a daily basis. Maybe when the police stop tazering people to death and killing people drinking and driving I will start to listen to their advice on canadian law and parliamentary procedures. I question what this mans alterior motivations are for all of his comments. Nobody who would use a rifle to harm a police officer or any other human being would keep such a rifle registered.


albertaclipper
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Ever notice how these pro registry people speak in generalities? The words like "can", "could", "use this registry and they use it to keep those communities safe,"(how he doesn't say), "The registry has worked exceptionally well for us", (again how?), "Police access the registry 11,500 times a day to find out such details" (not mentioning that the gun registry clicks over every time a license plate is checked), "Police also rely on the registry to conduct criminal investigations related to firearm thefts, and to encourage responsible storage, sales and disposal of weapons" (when a simple license would also give the same information), Generalities, all generalities.


conroy
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Aren't cops and the public hurt more from those that have had too much to drink than from guns? Would we not be better off with more officers on the streets and more education on substance abuse problems with that long gun money?Maybe register drinkers too. More border guards at the border would be a better way to spend the money


10-78
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As a police officer I feel that the Canadian association of Chief's of Police has to do a better job of convincing ME that this registry is valuable. Everyone quotes the Chief's of Police or the Police associations. How about asking the cop on the road who actually does patrol work what they think of the registry. I have no idea who uses this registry 11 500 times a day because it is not me or anybody I work with. Knowing a law abiding citizen registered their long gun is of little value to me. The criminal with the illegal hand gun or machine gun is far more of a threat to me then some hunter, farmer or collector. How about actual punishment for the criminal who uses an illegal weapon rather then hounding the legal gun owner who follows the rules?


Shane
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"However, police would no longer be able to determine the type and number of long guns registered to a licensed owner."Non-restricted firearms can be transported and borrowed freely by anyone with a license making this a non-argument. Assume anyone with a firearms license has access to firearms (EVERY type of which is potentially deadly). In fact, if it were me, I would assume EVERYONE had access to firearms because it is not unreasonable to imagine a criminal might steal or buy a firearm illegally.


Edm Vic
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What is the difference sir? Do you know where every rifle or shotgun in Canada is at? How many of these weapons come across the border are used in a crime and then sold to another criminal? How many of these weapons come through the reserve that you fail to check on down there? Before you make me a criminal do your job and stop all weapons from coming into Canada illegally!!!


cantuc
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There are thousands of Canadian gun owners that know that the next step asfter registration is confiscation . Thats all the education we need on the long gun registration. The money from this useless registry could have put thousands of police offuicers on the street , among other things.


Born and Bred Edmontoian
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The problem with Blair is he's as much of a politician as any. Furthermore, he's also David Miller's megaphone, he says what David says and nothing else. The recent spat of gun violence has done much damage to the "reputation" of the gun registry that the public realizes how useless it is.


Swine Warrior
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Great! Now we have one of the top cops in the country engaging in the same social engineering crap that the Liberals shoved down our throats over a decade ago.Blair - a Toronto cop - cluelessly believes that this fundamental divide can be breached merely by a public relations campaign. After well over a decade of debating this topic - with lots of government money (ie: Tax-payer dollars) - trying to persuade opponents that a bigger bureaucracy that allows police officers to gain entrance to virtually any registered residence with no warrant is still not sitting too well with law-abiding gun owners of predominantly rural Canada. What a MASSIVE surprise!Perhaps Blair could check out Toronto's record of registered firearms in criminal cases ... or anywhere in the country for that matter. Surely, they or the RCMP have statistics for that?!Well, I guess its not like they're spending their own money.


Chuck Wagon
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I 've utilized the gun registry when preparing to execute a search warrant, and while it has alerted me if a gun is to be found at the search location, it tells me nothing about the 2nd, 3rd or more unregistered guns that are found at the same location.


dennisb370
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I find it hard to believe the police use the registry 11500 times a day.Are there that many people under investigation?These numbers just don`t add up.Last fall the police said they used it 10,000 times a day,yesterday 11,000, today 11,500.Well what is it? This registry was and always be a joke.


Non white shirt wearing officer
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This guy has no clue !! Officer's that attend a domestic or any other calls at an address and rely on the CFRO check to tell them whether there are firearms present are asking for trouble because it gives them a false sense of security. Most of the calls we attend that have firearms involved the law breaking owner has not registered them so big deal that some law abiding citizen has registerd his gun. Besides every call a officer goes to there is a firearm present and thats the one on his/her belt.


Roadrobber
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Rural Ontario and rural Canada doesn't need the Police Chief of Toronto to tell it anything. Once again, it's the elite city politicians and police trying to rule the rest of us. Forget it. Scrap the long gun registry.


David Ottawa
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Your comment shows that you don't have the slightest clue how the registry is used.


huh?
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I've heard Mr. Blair before and I still don't understand his point of view on this subject. Just how differently does a cop come to a domestic dispute or any other call if he/she knows that there is a rifle in the house? Call the SWAT team?


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