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Plains of Abraham re-enactment cancelled
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Date: Tue. Feb. 17 2009 7:01 PM ET
Following a firestorm of protest, a planned re-enactment of the 1759 defeat of French forces on Quebec City's Plains of Abraham has been cancelled.
The National Battlefields Commission, the federal agency that helps to preserve the Plains, made the announcement Tuesday while explaining revisions to the programming surrounding the 250th anniversary.
The decision comes after Quebec sovereigntists denounced the planned celebrations as an insulting reminder of their ancestors' defeat 250 years ago. Many threatened to protest the events.
Commission chairman Andre Juneau says battle reenactment plans have been scrapped "because of the impossibility of ensuring the safety of the public and the participants."
"Given the excessive language and threats we have heard in recent days, we can't as responsible managers risk compromising the safety of families and children who might attend the event," he told a news conference in Quebec City.
Other events related to the anniversary such as architectural digs, guided cruises, and art exhibits will go ahead, he added.
NDP Deputy Leader Thomas Mulcair told CTV's Power Play the re-enactment was "an incredibly bad idea" that was destined to fail in a province that still views its history as pre- and post-conquest by English forces.
"I think that it was a mistake from the beginning and it's a good thing that it was cancelled," Mulcair said Tuesday.
"But the problem is it's being cancelled now for the wrong reasons, because of threats of violence," he added. "And it's never a good reason to cancel something just because you're afraid."
Those who had opposed the re-enactment said they were pleased by its cancellation.
"The re-enactment is off, that's great," said Patrick Bourgeois, of Le Réseau de résistance du Québécois. "This thing unleashed passions. But ultimately, the responsibility for all of this is the people who concocted this dim-witted plan."
The president of the Societe Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Montreal, Mario Beaulieu, called the cancellation a "victory for citizen mobilization."
"It's the federal government, which is controlled by the English-Canadian majority, that wants to commemorate one of the biggest defeats of the Quebecois people on its territory."
Michel De Waele, a historian at Laval University, told CTV's Power Play he thought the biggest casualty in the cancellation was history itself.
When celebrations took place for Quebec City's 400th anniversary last year, nationalists felt that the government "stole" the commemorations, De Waele said.
He said that it appeared the nationalists "felt that they had a chance to take their revenge," by making the proposed re-enactment into a controversial issue.
"Both sides were using history for their own political purposes and I think the victim of all this is history itself," he said.
2,000 participants
The Commission had planned to allow 2,000 re-enactors dress in period clothing and uniforms to recreate events leading to the Plains of Abraham battle, which was pivotal in the Seven Years' War.
The clash between the British and the French, just outside the walls of Quebec City involved fewer than 10,000 men, but proved to be a deciding moment in the conflict over the fate of New France and helped lead to British dominance in North America.
Sovereigntist groups found the plans to relive those moments offensive, with one group, Le Réseau de résistance du Québécois, calling the celebrations "federalist propaganda."
They threatened to rally hundreds of demonstrators to disrupt the events.
Horst Dresler, president of the Quebec Historical Corps, a group of historical buffs who planned to lead the simulated battle, has said his group will push forward with the re-enactment at another venue. But Dresler adds it will not be held anywhere in Quebec.
"These threats of violence that have been issued towards us would make it totally unsafe for anyone to participate in an event like this," he said.
He says his group and others have been staging re-enactments in Canada and the United States over the last four years to mark the French and Indian War -- the name some give to the North American portion of the Seven Years War. He said that after 11 years of planning, it wouldn't make sense to stop now.
Dresler told CTV Newsnet that the re-enactment was never meant to foment anger among Quebec nationalists.
"In re-enacting history, there are no winners and losers. All we're trying to do is show history. Period. It's non-political. It's just us trying to bring the facts to the forefront," he said.
With files from The Canadian Press
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Steven in NY
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Let's make a deal
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Fair is Fair!
Let us know, until then this event is cancelled for good!
Ronald Marshall
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Dan McMahon
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The second thing I have not seen any comment about the battle that was to be held on the Sunday. That was the battle of Ste. Foy where the British lost and had to retreat into the city and await rescue from the fleet carring reinforcements.
Adrian NE BC
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What's the problem here?
Laurent le Québécois.
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We don't want to celebrate the British conquest anymore than natives want to celebrate the arrival of Europeans to the new world.
The separtist extremists are scapegoats for the cancellation of an event which was dying of apathy anyway.
Stad
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Michel LeVert
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Lynne - Calgary Alberta
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Second, as far as I can recall, there is no such thing as 'our land' in Quebec. Until Quebec actually separates, Quebec is part of Canada and has been since confederation. No one has the right to declare that an event cannot happen on 'their land', using an argument based on sovereignty. No one, except perhaps First Nations groups who have formalized an understanding with the federal government.
Third, aside from all this rhetoric about us vs them, I feel it is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars to stage this kind of event during these difficult economic times.
Daniel
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Martin.NS.
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I think this relates to the Plains of Abraham issue because again, its a matter of history, and the French were ABLE to keep their land and retain their language without being expelled by the British. Quebecers regardless of Separatist or Federalist beliefs should be proud that they are able to retain their culture that endures through time.
Remarkable
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Let history remain as what it is, in the history books.
We all know what happened and how it happaned and who was involved. Maybe we should all just grow up, French and English Canadians alike and move forward instead of being stuck in the past.
And by the way, my father is English Canadian and my mother is French Canadian. I am 16th generation on my mothers side and 9th generation on my father side.
DWR
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To those in Quebec it happened get over it, you lost that is historical fact. DEAL WITH IT
Rick - Ottawa
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Jen
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History has brought us to where we are now, so why would we want to gloss over it all?
Francis
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Even de southern states in the US participate in their own civil war battle re-enactments. Maybe they should learn from their southern neighbours!
Brian in Ottawa
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Cornwall Bob
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Tori
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Funny they do not want to see history enacted yet they celbrate St-Jean d'baptiste Day.
It seems to me that the people of Quebec have forgotten they were not the only part of Canada that was called New France. There are many French Canadians within Canada and the Maritimes who acknowledge their heritage but are proud to be Canadian.
If Quebec does not want to celebrate anything but French holidays and events then, there is no Christmas(British), New Years(Ancient Rome), Canada Day(celebrates the British North American Act of 1867), May 24 weekend(British, in celebration of Queen Victori's birthday), Thanks giving(English), Rememberance Day (British)
Holding out like this, demanding to be a separate state within Canada, or as a Country on it's own is only creating more and more history that future (Québécois) Canadians will be embarrassed about.
It is time for the Government of Canada to stand up quit giving into the many whims of "offended people".
Lost Victories
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I think people should also remember the post-war history, how the French Culture and the Roman Catholic religion was preserved, in fact, guaranteed by the victorious English.
Now, consider this. We just had a big hoopla over the movie by Paul Gross, "Passchendaele". Should Canadians of German descent cry out against it as "offensive"?
Sovereignists in Quebec have to realise that history is neutral, not offensive. And if people find it offensive, they should examine their own involvement in said history.
As for my family heritage, as an Irish Catholic, I'm pretty sure that I would root for the French Army in the re-enactment. (j/k) Having said that, it's a shame that the re-enactment won't be held, as it would provide an outstanding opportunity for anyone with even a slight interest in history to relive a pivotal moment in World History
Pragmatist from BC
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I don't get it.
Why is a celebration being cancelled because of (the threat of) a protest? (I don't buy the safety issue)Let them protest. And why all the malice towards the Francophones? It is too bad the Commision is willing to scrap the hard work because of a loud minority and a threat. But, if it the true wish of a majority of the residents of the City of Quebec (not some special interest group) then they don't have to have a re-anactment if they don't want one. I wouldn't expect Vancouver to be forced to have any celebration it didn't want to, no matter what the reason or historical significance. On the same line, people have been protesting the Olympics for years but that doesn't stop them, we just put up with the protests/vandalism/etc. And at the end of the day, ITS A PARTY! Who cares! Re-enactments, while fun and innocent, acheive little besides glorifying war. There are other ways to remember the historic occasion and those who died. I feel sorry for the people who spent so much time planning but, maybe they should have looked at all the consequences first. And come on people, many of the posters need to grow up! Hurling insults and accusations, this isn't highschool.
Mac Urrie
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But don't tar an entire province based on the comments of a handful of self-absorbed radicals. The population of Quebec is very diverse and are no better or worse at looking out for themselves than Albertans or Newfoundlanders.
And the nasty comment about not fighting in WWII is ridiculous. Quebecers, be they French, English or natives, fought bravely and gallantly. You insult those who died for this country by suggesting otherwise.
Chris
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Think of what it would do for your kids.
You make me sick.
Alex Nelson
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Val/Weary.
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Michel (Ottawa)
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I'm amazed at how many people are quick to critisize the French residents of Quebec for wanting to re-write history when in fact most of the posters here have no clue about the true facts of the same history. Without the support of the Québecois, the crown risked losing all of its North American holdings during the US War of Independence. Whatever rights the French Québecois maintain to this day was not GIVEN to them, it was earned by being at the ready and supporting a weaker British force during the War of Independence.
Oh yes, for the record, Wolfe did NOT defeat Montcalm. Montcalm's pride and arrogance defeated Montcalm.
My family first set foot on the shores of the St-Laurent in 1666. My family shed blood in the seven year's war. My family's Canada will always include Québec.
R Langevin
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what a discredit to the men who fought in the battle for the Plains of Abraham.
What a dishonour to the spirit of the day and the respect between two commanders that allowed the victor to offer a concession to total and absolute defeat. Wolfe chose not to destroy what was left of the French in New France; in the face of his loss Montcalm accepted that he was defeated and accepted Wolfe's terms.
Now we look back at this battle (that did define our future no matter what side you are on)and say that it was a bad thing? How sad, how very sad that we cannot follow the example set by our fore fathers.
To respect an adversary enough that you choose not to utterly destroy him but instead to allow him to keep what his culture, his religion and territory? Not many examples of this behaviour around today - maybe history really can teach us something.
(I might not like that my family was given the choice of Canada or the guillotine and lost our land and rights in France but... I AM FIERCELY PROUD TO CALL MYSELF CANADIAN).
STB
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Why would we celebrate this event in Quebec? I am not seperatist but this is nonsense!
Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?
We don't need this kind of abuse and we simply won't put up with it on our land!
Celebrate it in English Canada and have a great time"
You really made rock solid comparisons there....England/USA in Germany, Cuba in the U.S. Those are individually sovereign countries, thus a foreign nation would not celebrate some historical event in that country. Where you and the rest of the treasonous nationalists blur the lines is that Quebec IS part of Canada, full stop. It is not "your" land.
JD Williams in Halifax NS Canada
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Jeff in Mississauaga
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French and proud of it
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FB in ttawa
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So, in hindsight, as others have pointed out, history is history, and in spite of the British tactical success in 1759, Quebecers can claim a strategic success. It would not have happened if it were assimilated with the US of A.
Chris
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Art
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Alex (Toronto)
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Re-enactments always raise the question of what would have happened if the battle had gone differently. Re-enactments of historical Civil War battles in the United States contribute to perpetuating the animosities that led to the conflict and the sense of injustice among the descendants of the losing side.
In 1867, Canada chose to be a voluntary confederation of provinces. We should commemorate events that bring Canadians together.
Proud to be Frano-Ontarien
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N Eyolfson
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DGRose
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Randy - Edmonton
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There were hero's on both sides and they should be celebrated. How it was fought and why it was fought is worth celebrating. But most importantly is the fact that although the Battle was lost by our ancestors the most celebrated fact should be that we are still here and that is worth recognizing and celebrating.
Unfortunately once again, the separatists in their narrow-minded drive to make this a "Quebec" thing have once again robbed the true French Canadians of another opportunity to celebrate our unique culture...
The French are not defeated
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rose in bc
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Maybe then they will start to accept that they are a part of Canada, not part of France, or their own separate little country but supported by Canada.
Daniel
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now I remember why I don't read blogs too often. You just get narrow minded comments from both sides. Why does the english side of Canada so bothered by what happens in Quebec anyways? If Quebecers don't require to be reminded that they lost the war against the british (which thing they are very aware of!), why should Canada be outraged?
Why do anglophones translate it as an act of hatred? Why do you need to generalize and say that the entire province is against Canada? Please THINK twice and then blog!
ian
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We have a war of 1812 re-enactment each year in Wasaga Beach and it is part of our tourism program...we love the tourists...If you'd planned to go to the Quebec re-enactment, and are disappointed by the cancellation, why not come to Wasaga Beach this July instead....we'd love to have you visit us....check the re-enactment out
James
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Barry
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Bob NS.
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The French lost the battle in the Plains of Abraham period.
The French people have survive because of the compassion of the English but the French were beaten.
Bob NS.
Pierre
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Acadie Man said it well... or you may want to celebrate the dying off of thousands of native Canadians by diseases brough from Europe... that would make just as much sense.
PB in MTL
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Point of view is just an accident of birth. Few people here are adding anything useful to the discussion, only more anger and noise.
Meanwhile it's people like me who actually fight on the front lines trying to make this a country forged from mutual respect and understanding.
VancouverDave
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Raymond
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As a Canadian with a proud "pure blood" french heritage, this is what's wrong with the Sovereignist movement. History belongs to "all" of us, good and bad.
My father worked hard to get his young family out of Quebec in the 50's. He had signed up and fought in WW2 and was ashamed of so many Quebec men who had to be conscripted to join the fight. But then again, he knew how easily the French had given in to Hitler.
My Canada does belong to all, but I continue to worry about our constant "giving in " to the rest of the world who comes to our shores.
So all of that to say, go ahead and re-enact, and on a given Saturday I will wear the Franch Uniform and on a Sunday, the British one!
Vive les Canadiens
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Philoldgoalie
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glen campbell
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Matthew Glynn
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I am a Quebecer and an Anglophone that went to University in Ontario. I’ve met plenty of 'Canadians' from all provinces but the only ones that distinguish themselves from others seem to be Quebecers. We always give Quebec a hard time about wanting to be treated different, but guess what Canada we are!
Historically, had other Canadian communities been more adamant about not being assimilated by the British the they would have provincial cultures to associate with. But they don’t, they took the easy way out and now they are all the same. Canadians with German, Polish, or Dutch last names that can’t even pick out their fatherland on the map.
Despite losing the battle on the plains we still are the envy of Canada, the 90 some-odd comments are just proof.
former Quebecer, got smart and moved to Toronto
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This abandonment is a pathetic re-write of history. But Quebec sovreignists, who have no real understanding of even their own history, are having conniptions, perhsps it is better for thinking Canadians to leave Quebec (a Canadian province, not a nation) to stew in its own angst and bile.
Chris Panos
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History is written by the victors...
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Well, why don't we do a big reenactment of all of Canada's key events that oppressed and brutalized the First Nations people, and take the show on the road through all the First Nations reserves in Canada. We'll make it full of pomp and circumstance and we'll hand out candy apples to everyone who attends.
As if!
That might be a bit of an extreme example, but I hope the point is clear. History is written by the victors. No one wants to have a big dog and pony show in their own region that is humiliating and unpleasant to their cultural identity, nor does anyone want to have historical reenactments that show an ugly side of their nations' history.
As an Anglo living in Quebec, I can understand why some Quebecers wouldn't want this nonsense playing out on their turf.
Ron
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Its amazing how quebecers think they've been wronged. How many people of ALL nationalities were deported from their countries by any invading army. Certainly the french weren't the only ones. Yet quebecers want to feel ripped off and demand even more money because they can't get it themselves.
Under this pretense they have guaranteed themselves a job anywhere in Canada. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the "Canadian" worker who wants to work in Quebec.
I invite quebecers to search on their french computers the following:
"english deportation from"
See what I mean - GET OVER IT
Paul
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Time to draw a line in the sand.
Ancient quebecois
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Chris White
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Chris, Ottawa.
Une personne bilingue qui ne se plaint pas
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A lot of French-Canadians don't share the attitude of Quebeckers.
For example, I am an Ontarian with an English mother and a French father. I am OK with Canada's history. I am also quite happy living bilingually in Canada.
So when you criticize a group, be sure to know who you are talking about: ALL of French-Canadians or just Quebeckers.
Paul Yewchuk, Victoria BC
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Dan from Northern Ont.
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Louise Smith
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I grew up in Quebec City and believe me not everybody think that way. I am proud to be une Québécoise but I am even prouder to be Canadian. Do not generalise people from Quebec because of this group of ignorant people. I too believe that it should not be cancelled. It's history, it's how it happened and get over it!!!! Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and join the rest of the world!!!! I have enough of sovereignist ruining our reputation. Grow up whiny babies.
Tucker
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David
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Loosing a battle reenactment will never stop me from remembering our rich history and how we all came to be. To forget our past is to deny our future.
Tom in London
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Get over it, you lost admit it and move on.
merna in sask
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Soldiers deserve to be remembered
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DG from Mtl
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Ian K
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Next, I suppose, we will have German-Canadians (who are the third largest immigrant group after the English and French) claiming to be deeply hurt and offended by Remembrance Day celebrations.
Moni
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Jeff from Montreal
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It was cancelled because they want to avoid groups of idiots throwing child like tantrums.
The bark are louder than the bite.
MP - A French Canadian.
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You deny their struggles, their hopes, their fears and their dreams.
The re-enactment is only one part of history. It's not the celebration of death on the battlefield, but of life to those who survived on both sides.
I'm very proud to be French Canadian.
GrenCo Piper
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What a pity that a few could ruin a major celebration of an F&I event and cause the loss of business to the many merchants in the area.
You've lost any respect we once had for Quebec and it's people.
Tom in Winnipeg
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geebee
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allowed to keep their religion,
culture et al by the occupation British forces. Sad this hasn't been pointed out in
numerous news reports, other than the same tired insurrectionist babble. Theirs is a culture of hate!
Dust
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Kat
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Gerry Demers
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Randy, London
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Robert C
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Joe MacPherson
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Reece
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Only fools glorify wars.
...and remember, if the French won, WE ALL would be celebrating. Even in the USA, the Independence Day was a loss to America and isn´t something worthy of celebration.
Grow up. Move on.
steve robinson
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I so enjoy watching the French make asses of themselves.This is almost as good as the time 60 minutes did a story about Quebec's language police.
Cat
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Im sure if they served Poutine on the sideline's, this battle would be praised by all french quebecers :P
Randy, London
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MRC in Hamilton
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Good luck with your "Multiculturalism", Canada.
Real Canadian
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Oscar in Ottawa
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Dave
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You simply cannot make everyone happy...to try is to succeed in not making anyone happy.
Last time I checked, Quebec was part of Canada, and NOT France...as a matter of fact, France doesn't really like Quebec much so what's the deal here??
Rick
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Rob, Alberta
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Steve Watson
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R/H Ontario
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Dan Bartie
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Alain à Chibougamau (Québec)
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Re-enactments are meant to re-live ... who wants to re-live any type of war?
If you want history ... read a book.
Dave, Ottawa
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Not surprised in Canada
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"And yet I'll bet they would support re-enacting any defeat the english suffered in Canada's long back and forth history of struggle."
and
"Cool, the government has no spine, everyone threaten to protest taxes next!"
KJ in Kingston Ontario
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joanne
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Hunter
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Bill from Winnipeg
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Jay in London
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Due to an unwarranted sense of cultural indignation, a few small-minded people cancelled an homage to an important historical event in our nation's history.
When are we going to stop pandering to the minority and allow the rest of us to celebrate the milestones of our own heritage?
KRB
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As for the Americans, I guess there should be no Vietnam memorial, etc. It is a testament to the general maturity of our nation that the Americans honour Tecumseh far more than we do, even though he fought with us AGAINST them!
Jaret
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Bill from Winnipeg
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Roger Russell
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This time when we "Win" and we did "Win", we won't be so kind as the English were the first time. I'd strip Quebec clean and call it "New England" .
At some point "Canada" is going to tire of the threats from a group of people who's culture and language has been preserved in large part because of the rest of Canada. Soon a group will form to expel the Quebec "Nationalists" aka cowards from our great country. And when Quebec independence comes and I think it will. It will not be because of any bravery or nobility or the fight for freedom as Im sure they will spin it when its over. But because Canadians, both in and out of Quebec will be bored to tears and just want it over. Basically they will have bored themselves to independence. But remember Quebec, you can't rape Canada on Sunday and then date it on Monday. Your hold on what will become a more resolved and stronger Canada will be over. Viv la free Canada!
Willie Everlearn
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I don't understand how today's Quebeckers can be so enamored of France after that slap in the face. This wish to re-play the battle and win is a clear symptom of the separatists' living in the past rather than building a future for this country.
Matt from Kingston
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I am a history student- I can appreciate these kinds of things; I also realize when it is imprudent to do so.
There is absolutely no reason why this NEEDED to be staged. I am an English Canadian, and I can't understand why others disagree with Juneau's decision to withdraw plans. Does anyone actually care that much? Do you really want to shove the 250-year-old French defeat in the faces of the Québécois?
Perhaps other English Canadians should simply "get over it."
RH in Ottawa, Canada
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I say let's protest not having the re-enactment.
Darren
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Curtis
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YVES born in Quebec city
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"O CANADA" our home.......really stand for.
Donny in Edmonton
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History happened and you can't change what has already happened.
Monsters like Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein altered what their countries history books said. Do you like that comparrison Sovereigntists? Because that's how you look to the rest of us right now.
A reenactment like this should be for both English and French Canadians to come together and watch a shared part of their history.
PEI Fella
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Why is our country divided? Over this? A piece of History that happened between two European nations 250 years ago on what is now Canadian soil.
Give me a break, France gave up on Quebec after the Battle of the Plains of Abraham which is why New France became part of British North America. Let's remember that New France wasn't just Quebec as we know it today.
Had they wanted to be separate they would have left or rebelled. You have no reason to not like Canada, you are not oppressed and treated at least equally as any other citizen of this great nation we call Canada. Give it up already; instead of making concessions to these people we should deport them. In the long run it will cost Canadians a lot less money and grief.
Albert Cahal
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Regulus de Leo
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Frustrated anglo
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You may not always like what happened in the past, but we have to realize that history is what it is!! We can not change it, but must learn from.
Denying individuals the right to reinact a PIVITAL battle in Canadian history is a disgrace.
Why don't the extremists realize that this has nothing to do with "federal propaganda" but is meerly an opportunity to educate individuals about our Canadian history (and QC is included in that!!!).
Maybe if you took the time to educate yourself you'd understand. OH WAIT! It's easier to just complain about everything...
Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
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Commemoration of this event is like the commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne in Northern Ireland. It only causes problems and for no good reason.
Not having this event is the best move the government could have made.
Peter in Toronto
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Toby
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James from Peterborough
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We should learn from it, not repeat it. I think it is very important to strive to find out what Queec and Canada have in common to build a stronger country and build upon that.
Jim, Regina
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Rick B.
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Mac Urrie
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Lee in Ottawa
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I say English Canada needs to stand up and finally say enough is enough. We look like jokes. The fact that one of the parties in the house of commons is solely focussed on destroying the country makes us look pathetic and impotent on the world stage.
I say we have a real re-enactment and finally say so long to Quebec and let them go.. but before they do, we will keep the military the resources the currency and everything else that Canada has provided to that one province in order to allow to prosper. I do not believe that they would be all that successful on their own. All that this decision does is to spit in the face of English Canada and intensify the quiet anger that has been growing over the last few decades.
Tono
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I would compare this cancellation to the Americans cancelling an American Revolution reenactment because it offended Canadians.
It's a beautiful province and everything, but in spite of the fact that they lost the battle, Quebec still appears to be controlling the country.
Use your heads
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So then why is it so bad that french speaking Canadians do not wish to relieve that part of history.
Paul in SJ
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A shame that their love of the historical is tainted. This decision clearly demonstrates how fanatical many Quebecois are when it coms to the history they selectivly achknowledge.
I for one am disgusted that the English portion of Quebecs' heritage is being ignored.
Karim in Ottawa
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That doesn't mean I let him stay up.
Nad, Ottawa
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Diane M.
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These particular Quebecois are grudge-holders.The grudge-holding mentality is what is perpetuating wars in other parts of the world.What a shame.
Ronald Marshall
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Tagteam
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In many respects, the battle marked the beginning of Quebec culture, distinct from the Parisian French who always looked down on the Canadian colony. Within a few years, the real Quebecers would defend their way of life by defeating the invading forces from the US.
French or English, it's something to celebrate!
Dysfunction in Edmonton
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Its not who won the battle, but honoring those on both sides. Its about honoring those who laid down their lives so you can have the chance and freedom to watch or even take part in this historic re-enactment.
When will people learn that hiostory is something to cherish and absorb, or we will be doomed to repeat it.
Bob Collings
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KimmyB
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Get over it cry babies - just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen!
Owen in Galway
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mario
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the answer to your questions is yes they are celebrated, especially in Cuba, the last time i checked VDay and DDay are celebrated, should I continue...
the main problem is that the french weren't displaced. When you conquer someone you don't leave them there, you divide and conquer. Go to love Machiavelli, still relevant even though many don't agree.
Sherry Katrina
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i am a french acadien that is anoyed at hardcore Q
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Poor quebecers poor poor quebecers. I have a coworker who drove to Florida last year and got pulled over by a North Carolina cruiser and he demanded to be served in french. lol poor poor quebecers.
Lindsay
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Brooko
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And by the way, re-enactments are simply that,re-enactments, not celebrations but a re-enactment of history. History being defined as actual events, like them or not.
Maria
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D in Calgary
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John in Toronto
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It's a miracle to me that condos havent been built on the Plains of Abraham yet.
Steve-O
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RobO(X Quebecor)
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Dave Lever
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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Actually, the French lost the battle but won the war; as evidenced by their ability to dominate one province which, in turn, dominates much of the political workings of Canada...at the expensive of cohesive nationalism.
Chris Powell
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Mark
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"Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?" To answer your question, no they don't, but then again, you are referencing different COUNTRIES! You (Quebec) are NOT YOUR OWN COUNTRY! Our country is CANADA, not ENGLISH Canada or FRENCH Canada as you would like to suggest. The U.S. regularily re-enacts their civil war, and defeat of the British. Get over yourselves already and grow up, bunch of seperatist babies!!! This of course comes as no suprise to the rest of Canada. How ignorant can you be to ignore your own history because it hurts your feelings.
Peter in Edmonton
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"In Quebec we decide what to celebrate on our land, no one else!"
Actually it's OUR land -- keep telling yoruself that Quebec belongs to you for any reason beyond English good graces. We LET you live there....it's never been yours and it never will be. In this world you do not simply say "We own this" -- you actually have to defend it and you ran after the VERY FIRST VOLLEY of shots.
Cowardice has no rewards -- but go ahead and keep telling yoruself it's "your land". You don't have ANYTHING that English Canada didn't ALLOW you to have. One day we're going to come back and kick you off it. Shouldn't be any harder than it ever was.
JT in vancity
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We need to end the discussion on Quebec secession immediately. If you don't like living in Canada, LEAVE!
But the territory stays Canadian!
French student Barrie
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Allen
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Peter in Edmonton
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Once more Quebec: the entire world, including France is laughing at you. For once it's not because of what you're wearing.
Tim from Calgary
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Shelley
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Peter From Petawawa
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Ilove this country but God help us if the english says or dose any-this to upset the French there history is shoved in our face but we can't do the same.
This again proves that Quebec runs this country.
DWR
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Get over yourselves
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COLIN FROM HALIFAX
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My Scottish-Canadian Dad would probably hate Culloden to be re-enacted or the demise of William Wallace. THE PAST IS THE PAST, IT HURTS SOME, SO LET'S MOVE ON.
Moran McMahon
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L.T.
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Let's erase the event from all school textbooks as well.
Noel Murphy
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Shirley
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Alberta Believer
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We have so called human rights commissions which order people not to speak on certain topics and to pay people money for saying things that may hurt the feelings of others.
Speaking on a historical note, the Fathers of Confederation if alive today would be advocating revolution against this society its government, wayward norms and new found values. The Canada that we have today is not the one that tens of thousands of Canadians fought and died for in places like Ypres, Vimmy Ridge and Dieppe.
Myself personally I don't think I've undertsood much thats gone on in this country since 1965. Whatever it is it just seems to be getting worse and worse.
Federalist Quebecer
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Instead of celebrating thse kind of events, try to find an event everyone can enjoy especially in thier province.
Canada has to respect the opinion of Quebecers on what takes place in Quebec.
Why would Quebecers want to celebrate this event? This is an event that could be celebrated in the National capital if canada really want to celebrate it.
You can't impose your decision in our province, sorry!
Mark
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This is a prime example of the socialist rot that is creeping into Canada. Now it's offensive to re-enact history. The next step will be to actually change out the outcome of that particular battle to match the social/political agenda of those who are 'offended' by history.
What is next?
Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
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Why bother when you can't even display historical fact.
Maybe it would have been okay if they would have changed the outcome of the battle.
They were worried about security?Were there going to be F.L.Q.terrorist's or whatever threatening the re-enactment?
It just sicken's me the way this country keep's bending over for these Quebec sovereignist's.Funny thing though I haven't heard the great one "Iggy" make any comment on this he's to busy wooing Quebec voter's and apologizing to western Canada for past liberal mistake's.Maybe you guy's out west should file a lawsuit for reparation's for the past energy policy's of previous liberal government's.See what Iggy would think of that.What a phony bunch of crap,this political ass kissing and pandering just seem's to never end.
R/H Ontario
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S English in kingston Ontario
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I'm also not so sure when such things as the French Language Services Act and being forced to offer services in French in Kingston to a population that simply doesn't exist is allowed to happen.
MuskyBuck
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History has taught us all that the French settled the Red River area in Manitoba many hundreds of years ago.
Each year I'm reminded of their sheer shortsightedness of choosing this spot to settle when November rolls around.
I therefore would like to formally state that I am offended by winter.
This re-enactment of survival during the coldest period of the year literally makes me sick and I would state that Canada should forgo winter from here on in.
I will stand here and protest until I get my way.
Or until I recieve a grant that will allow me to vacation away from Canada during this time.
Donations are fine too, please make them payable to:
The Pasty White Angry Man Fund.
keep your celebration in English Canada!
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Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?
We don't need this kind of abuse and we simply won't put up with it on our land!
Celebrate it in English Canada and have a great time!
Eugene
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Raj
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Acadie Man
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its easy to call it "history" if you came out on top.
this would just be another example of the english still trying to assert themsevles in the francophone culture and assimilate the rest of french speaking canadians
but thats only my 0.02
Wayne
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Danny
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Meg
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It is not right that history can be so arbitrarily dismissed ~ it is tantamount to denying the truth in the hope that it will never come to light, becoming a precursor to a web of lies.
Marilyn
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john in Kitchener
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Now we, in Canada, are denying our rich history to suit the whims of a part of this country.
Oh, well - Canada is getting more an more used to the position of bending over for every one who doesn't like our history, our language, our customs, our heritage or our religion.
Soon (if not already) we'll be known as the patsies of the world.
Oh Canada, we stand on guard for (what's left of) thee!
St-Jean Batiste is still on in Quebec city!
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If English Canada wants it that bad they can always celebrate that grreat victory in Ottawa!
In Quebec we decide what to celebrate on our land, no one else!
Peter
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Gord
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Ry in Hamilton
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You were conquered, get over it.