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Stefan Tremblay, front, and Danny Deshenes wear period British army uniforms at Fort Ste. Helen Tuesday, June 12, 2008 in Montreal, Que. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Plains of Abraham Commission chairman Andre Juneau speaks to the media from Quebec City on Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009. Patrick Bourgeois, of the Reseau de Resistance du Quebecois, reacts as he stands outside the Plains of Abraham discovery building after the National Battlefields Commission announced the cancellation of the reconstitution of the historic battle Tuesday, Feb. 17, 2009 in Quebec City.  (Jacques Boissinot / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Plains of Abraham re-enactment cancelled

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Canada AM: Horst Dresler, Quebec Historical Corps
Fears of real violence have forced the organizers of a Plains of Abraham battle reenactment to be cancelled. The president of the organizing group says he had hoped it wouldn't come to this, but the safety of volunteers was put into question.
CTV National News: Genevieve Beauchemin with the details on the threats of violence
A modern-day reenactment of the battle for Quebec City's Plains of Abraham has been halted after a group of French separatists threatened protests and even violence over the demonstration.
CTV Montreal: John Grant on the Plains of Abraham re-enactment cancelled
A number of threats and security concerns has led to the nixing of a re-enactment of the battle of the Plains of Abraham.
Power Play: Michel De Waele, Universite Laval, Scott Brison, Liberal MP, Thomas Mulcair, NDP MP and Dean Del Mastro, parl. sec. to heritage minister
A panel of MPs discuss the cancellation of a planned re-enactment of the 1759 defeat of French forces on Quebec City's Plains of Abraham, after an outcry from Quebec nationalist and separatists.
CTV Newsnet: National Battlefields Commission press conference in Quebec City
The National Battlefields Commission explains changes to the Battle of the Plains of Abraham re-enactment program in Quebec City to mark its 250th anniversary.
CTV Newsnet: Horst Dresler, president, Quebec Historical Corps, on the purpose of the project
The re-enactment of the historic 1759-1760 battle is not to present either side as a winner or loser, but to present the facts, Dresler said.
Power Play: Michel De Waele, Universite Laval, Scott Brison, Liberal MP, Thomas Mulcair, NDP MP and Dean Del Mastro, parl. sec. to heritage minister
A panel of MPs discuss the cancellation of a planned re-enactment of the 1759 defeat of French forces on Quebec City's Plains of Abraham, after an outcry from Quebec nationalist and separatists.

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Date: Tue. Feb. 17 2009 7:01 PM ET

Following a firestorm of protest, a planned re-enactment of the 1759 defeat of French forces on Quebec City's Plains of Abraham has been cancelled.

The National Battlefields Commission, the federal agency that helps to preserve the Plains, made the announcement Tuesday while explaining revisions to the programming surrounding the 250th anniversary.

The decision comes after Quebec sovereigntists denounced the planned celebrations as an insulting reminder of their ancestors' defeat 250 years ago. Many threatened to protest the events.

Commission chairman Andre Juneau says battle reenactment plans have been scrapped "because of the impossibility of ensuring the safety of the public and the participants."

"Given the excessive language and threats we have heard in recent days, we can't as responsible managers risk compromising the safety of families and children who might attend the event," he told a news conference in Quebec City.

Other events related to the anniversary such as architectural digs, guided cruises, and art exhibits will go ahead, he added.

NDP Deputy Leader Thomas Mulcair told CTV's Power Play the re-enactment was "an incredibly bad idea" that was destined to fail in a province that still views its history as pre- and post-conquest by English forces.

"I think that it was a mistake from the beginning and it's a good thing that it was cancelled," Mulcair said Tuesday.

"But the problem is it's being cancelled now for the wrong reasons, because of threats of violence," he added. "And it's never a good reason to cancel something just because you're afraid."

Those who had opposed the re-enactment said they were pleased by its cancellation.

"The re-enactment is off, that's great," said Patrick Bourgeois, of Le Réseau de résistance du Québécois. "This thing unleashed passions. But ultimately, the responsibility for all of this is the people who concocted this dim-witted plan."

The president of the Societe Saint-Jean-Baptiste de Montreal, Mario Beaulieu, called the cancellation a "victory for citizen mobilization."

"It's the federal government, which is controlled by the English-Canadian majority, that wants to commemorate one of the biggest defeats of the Quebecois people on its territory."

Michel De Waele, a historian at Laval University, told CTV's Power Play he thought the biggest casualty in the cancellation was history itself.

When celebrations took place for Quebec City's 400th anniversary last year, nationalists felt that the government "stole" the commemorations, De Waele said.

He said that it appeared the nationalists "felt that they had a chance to take their revenge," by making the proposed re-enactment into a controversial issue.

"Both sides were using history for their own political purposes and I think the victim of all this is history itself," he said.

2,000 participants

The Commission had planned to allow 2,000 re-enactors dress in period clothing and uniforms to recreate events leading to the Plains of Abraham battle, which was pivotal in the Seven Years' War.

The clash between the British and the French, just outside the walls of Quebec City involved fewer than 10,000 men, but proved to be a deciding moment in the conflict over the fate of New France and helped lead to British dominance in North America.

Sovereigntist groups found the plans to relive those moments offensive, with one group, Le Réseau de résistance du Québécois, calling the celebrations "federalist propaganda."

They threatened to rally hundreds of demonstrators to disrupt the events.

Horst Dresler, president of the Quebec Historical Corps, a group of historical buffs who planned to lead the simulated battle, has said his group will push forward with the re-enactment at another venue. But Dresler adds it will not be held anywhere in Quebec.

"These threats of violence that have been issued towards us would make it totally unsafe for anyone to participate in an event like this," he said.

He says his group and others have been staging re-enactments in Canada and the United States over the last four years to mark the French and Indian War -- the name some give to the North American portion of the Seven Years War. He said that after 11 years of planning, it wouldn't make sense to stop now.

Dresler told CTV Newsnet that the re-enactment was never meant to foment anger among Quebec nationalists.

"In re-enacting history, there are no winners and losers. All we're trying to do is show history. Period. It's non-political. It's just us trying to bring the facts to the forefront," he said.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Steven in NY
said

It is too bad that the Quebec City folks have lost out on the tremendous amount of tourism and millions of dollars that this would have brought to your town. You could have spent this money opening up a parallel museum of French Culture in Canada. Instead you are being isolationist. If we were lucky, Canada would let you become your own Country. Then us in the US could have the Northeast as additional States and we could squeeze you economically.


Let's make a deal
said

We will celebrate your great victory in Quebec when we can celebrate St-jean Batiste in the entire Canada.

Fair is Fair!

Let us know, until then this event is cancelled for good!


Ronald Marshall
said

I kind of like the comment that I read where the writer said - "maybe we should reenact the hanging of Louis Reil" Hah, laugh! - maybe it is just my sense of humour - but that sounds funny to me - I feel like drawing a stick man hanging on a noose! So my question is - are Canadians entirely humourless? or just plain stupid? Either way - I love em!


Dan McMahon
said

The cancellation of this event means the lost of hundreds of thousands of Canadian or American dollars that may have helped the tourist industry of Quebec City. Since the Reseau de Resistance du Quebecois doesn't think that Quebec Province needs the money maybe they should call for the return of all tax dollars that they receive from the government.
The second thing I have not seen any comment about the battle that was to be held on the Sunday. That was the battle of Ste. Foy where the British lost and had to retreat into the city and await rescue from the fleet carring reinforcements.



Adrian NE BC
said

I don't see Americans from the southern states decrying Civil War battle reenactments.

What's the problem here?


Laurent le Québécois.
said

Most of you seem to have fun bashing Quebec and Quebecers over this. We all know and accept there was a battle on the Plains of Abraham 250 years ago. We all know the French lost. Hey, it's historical site in the middle of our capital! We just don't like to be told we have to "celebrate" this "fact" which for us marks the beggining of our struggle to maintain our language in an ocean of English.

We don't want to celebrate the British conquest anymore than natives want to celebrate the arrival of Europeans to the new world.

The separtist extremists are scapegoats for the cancellation of an event which was dying of apathy anyway.


Stad
said

Rememeber that the plains of abramham is only one battle fought that defined Canada. We should not forget that the French counterattack retook the city. Should we not have both battles?


Michel LeVert
said

The British victors had the good grace not to drive the French out of Canada completely. For that, the "nation" of Quebec should be eternally grateful. Instead we get the incessant whining of this radical group that doesn't possess the good sense to realize things could have been far worse for them. As for the rest of Canada, they continue to pay the price for that moment of leniency by the British.


Lynne - Calgary Alberta
said

I have a few thoughts on this topic. First, there is no such thing as English Canada. I wish the sovereignist Quebecois would wake up and realize that there are many, many French descendents living in provinces outside of Quebec. The narrow-mindedness of Quebec sovereignists normally stems from their lack of understanding of what constitutes the Canadian mosaic. To all sovereignists: "Stop marginalizing the huge contingent of French speaking people in the provinces outside of Quebec. You, as Quebecois, are not so special!!!" I, as a proud Franco-Ontarian, now living in Alberta, do not fear the re-enactment of an event that transpired 250 years ago because I am not insecure about my French heritage.

Second, as far as I can recall, there is no such thing as 'our land' in Quebec. Until Quebec actually separates, Quebec is part of Canada and has been since confederation. No one has the right to declare that an event cannot happen on 'their land', using an argument based on sovereignty. No one, except perhaps First Nations groups who have formalized an understanding with the federal government.

Third, aside from all this rhetoric about us vs them, I feel it is a huge waste of taxpayer dollars to stage this kind of event during these difficult economic times.


Daniel
said

I think much of this Quebec-bashing is unwarranted. I am an English Quebecer living in Montreal and find the actions of the separatists pathetic, ignorant, and revisionist although not unexpected. For those who are upset about this situation, center your argument on the bums who complained about this historical event, not the entire province. There are still plenty of federalists in La Belle (sometimes) Province.


Martin.NS.
said

I don't understand why separatists would get upset about this? It is history that happened 250 years ago. Speaking of history, Grand Pré is on it`s way of being a UNESCO heritage site in Nova Scotia. This is again one event in history that the British were victorious but the French showed their determination through time to re-establish themselves in English conquered land even after being expelled. You don`t hear many Acadians being upset over this issue? They actually celebrate their history in the Maritimes.

I think this relates to the Plains of Abraham issue because again, its a matter of history, and the French were ABLE to keep their land and retain their language without being expelled by the British. Quebecers regardless of Separatist or Federalist beliefs should be proud that they are able to retain their culture that endures through time.


Remarkable
said

Listen, I have no problem whatsoever about this, however there are those who are very sensative to the matter and to have it done, right there on the Plains of Abraham, would be a slap in their face, or what they may see as another way, English Canada is humiliating French Canadian Culture.

Let history remain as what it is, in the history books.

We all know what happened and how it happaned and who was involved. Maybe we should all just grow up, French and English Canadians alike and move forward instead of being stuck in the past.

And by the way, my father is English Canadian and my mother is French Canadian. I am 16th generation on my mothers side and 9th generation on my father side.


DWR
said

It is funny that once again the majority of Canadians are bending to the whims of few. I do believe that the people of Quebec would deny that the sun comes up in the East and down in the West if they were given a chance, just as they are denying that the events of the plains of Abraham ever even happened.
To those in Quebec it happened get over it, you lost that is historical fact. DEAL WITH IT



Rick - Ottawa
said

I think this proposed re-eneactment was in bad taste. I can't believe some of the comments on here. "you were conquered, get over it"? To acknowledge history, and to re-enact it are two different things. As someone pointed out, how would Acadians feel about a re-enactment of the great deportation on their soil? How about a re-enactment of Louis Riel's hanging in Manitoba?


Jen
said

To the people in Quebec stating that the re-enactment should be staged in another (non-Francophone)province, I think you are missing the point. The battle took place in Quebec, outside the city walls. To recreate it anywhere else would not be historically accurate.

History has brought us to where we are now, so why would we want to gloss over it all?


Francis
said

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. This battle took place 250 years ago! Those sovereignists groups just want the medias' attention!

Even de southern states in the US participate in their own civil war battle re-enactments. Maybe they should learn from their southern neighbours!


Brian in Ottawa
said

If these seperatists have issued such dire reponses as to cancell an event to ensure public safety, then this is no longer a trivial matter. I believe there are laws in this country, which by the way still includes quebec, that charge a person with uttering threats. If we dont have the backbone in this country to stand up to the "ignorance of some" we should at least abide by the laws set by this country and charge the instigators.


Cornwall Bob
said

I have no sympathy for separatists, however, I do not understand this compulsion to celebrate past battles. Sure the Americans do it but again...why? Why would we celebrate the deaths of hundreds of human beings. This is not history, it is the glorification of war. The news media already does an adequate job in this area so leave the past battles where they belong, in the history books.


Tori
said

It is a shame that there are people in Quebec who are ashamed of their own heritage.

Funny they do not want to see history enacted yet they celbrate St-Jean d'baptiste Day.

It seems to me that the people of Quebec have forgotten they were not the only part of Canada that was called New France. There are many French Canadians within Canada and the Maritimes who acknowledge their heritage but are proud to be Canadian.

If Quebec does not want to celebrate anything but French holidays and events then, there is no Christmas(British), New Years(Ancient Rome), Canada Day(celebrates the British North American Act of 1867), May 24 weekend(British, in celebration of Queen Victori's birthday), Thanks giving(English), Rememberance Day (British)

Holding out like this, demanding to be a separate state within Canada, or as a Country on it's own is only creating more and more history that future (Québécois) Canadians will be embarrassed about.

It is time for the Government of Canada to stand up quit giving into the many whims of "offended people".


Lost Victories
said

As a matter of fact, the battle on the Plains of Abraham is one of the pivotal battles in the history of the World. It was not between Anglo and Franco Canadians, it was between England and France. It shaped our history, and as such, it is a simple matter of fact. Re-enacting battles is one way for people to see how things unfolded.
I think people should also remember the post-war history, how the French Culture and the Roman Catholic religion was preserved, in fact, guaranteed by the victorious English.
Now, consider this. We just had a big hoopla over the movie by Paul Gross, "Passchendaele". Should Canadians of German descent cry out against it as "offensive"?
Sovereignists in Quebec have to realise that history is neutral, not offensive. And if people find it offensive, they should examine their own involvement in said history.
As for my family heritage, as an Irish Catholic, I'm pretty sure that I would root for the French Army in the re-enactment. (j/k) Having said that, it's a shame that the re-enactment won't be held, as it would provide an outstanding opportunity for anyone with even a slight interest in history to relive a pivotal moment in World History


Pragmatist from BC
said

What's the big deal?!?
I don't get it.
Why is a celebration being cancelled because of (the threat of) a protest? (I don't buy the safety issue)Let them protest. And why all the malice towards the Francophones? It is too bad the Commision is willing to scrap the hard work because of a loud minority and a threat. But, if it the true wish of a majority of the residents of the City of Quebec (not some special interest group) then they don't have to have a re-anactment if they don't want one. I wouldn't expect Vancouver to be forced to have any celebration it didn't want to, no matter what the reason or historical significance. On the same line, people have been protesting the Olympics for years but that doesn't stop them, we just put up with the protests/vandalism/etc. And at the end of the day, ITS A PARTY! Who cares! Re-enactments, while fun and innocent, acheive little besides glorifying war. There are other ways to remember the historic occasion and those who died. I feel sorry for the people who spent so much time planning but, maybe they should have looked at all the consequences first. And come on people, many of the posters need to grow up! Hurling insults and accusations, this isn't highschool.


Mac Urrie
said

"marked the beginning of the assimilation of the French"...uh, I don't think that has quite happened. Biggest problems for francophones are immigration and low birth rate not Gen. Wolfe.

But don't tar an entire province based on the comments of a handful of self-absorbed radicals. The population of Quebec is very diverse and are no better or worse at looking out for themselves than Albertans or Newfoundlanders.

And the nasty comment about not fighting in WWII is ridiculous. Quebecers, be they French, English or natives, fought bravely and gallantly. You insult those who died for this country by suggesting otherwise.


Chris
said

It's when I read closed-minded, nasty comments like Gord's "If Quebec wants to belong to Canada fine if not separate now and be done with it" that I am most ashamed to be canadian. I am French canadian and have been living in Ontario for 20 years. Do you REALLY want Quebec to seperate? Do you REALLY think YOU would be better off? Do you REALLY think your little comfortable life would be better?

Think of what it would do for your kids.

You make me sick.


Alex Nelson
said

They did the right thing not to stage an event that promotes division and not unity. I agree with the decision, it is an insult to Quebecers!


Val/Weary.
said

Think I've put my comments in the wrong spot. Hail to the guy from Regina.We lived in Sask too when we arrived in Canada in 1967. The Quebec issue was gong on then of course,long before we got here. The LANGUAGE POLICE have amused me in recent History. I fell about laughing. Has anyone noticed that there are no bi-lingual highway signs in Quebec. Is that because the whiners there can't find their way home if they do venture out of their province. Bring on the next Referendum PLEASE. Can anyone tell me where I can send the first brick,then they can start building that wall.


Michel (Ottawa)
said

The French did not survive through the good graces of the British crown. The French survived because the British were worried about the impending revolution to the south. Out of fear of losing the canadas, and rightly so, the Quebec Act of 1774 was passed thereby assuring the Québecois could retain many of their rights to secure allegiance of its roughly 70,000 inhabitants to the crown.
I'm amazed at how many people are quick to critisize the French residents of Quebec for wanting to re-write history when in fact most of the posters here have no clue about the true facts of the same history. Without the support of the Québecois, the crown risked losing all of its North American holdings during the US War of Independence. Whatever rights the French Québecois maintain to this day was not GIVEN to them, it was earned by being at the ready and supporting a weaker British force during the War of Independence.
Oh yes, for the record, Wolfe did NOT defeat Montcalm. Montcalm's pride and arrogance defeated Montcalm.
My family first set foot on the shores of the St-Laurent in 1666. My family shed blood in the seven year's war. My family's Canada will always include Québec.


R Langevin
said

So sad...

what a discredit to the men who fought in the battle for the Plains of Abraham.

What a dishonour to the spirit of the day and the respect between two commanders that allowed the victor to offer a concession to total and absolute defeat. Wolfe chose not to destroy what was left of the French in New France; in the face of his loss Montcalm accepted that he was defeated and accepted Wolfe's terms.

Now we look back at this battle (that did define our future no matter what side you are on)and say that it was a bad thing? How sad, how very sad that we cannot follow the example set by our fore fathers.

To respect an adversary enough that you choose not to utterly destroy him but instead to allow him to keep what his culture, his religion and territory? Not many examples of this behaviour around today - maybe history really can teach us something.

(I might not like that my family was given the choice of Canada or the guillotine and lost our land and rights in France but... I AM FIERCELY PROUD TO CALL MYSELF CANADIAN).


STB
said

In response to: "keep your celebration in English Canada!
Why would we celebrate this event in Quebec? I am not seperatist but this is nonsense!

Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?

We don't need this kind of abuse and we simply won't put up with it on our land!

Celebrate it in English Canada and have a great time"

You really made rock solid comparisons there....England/USA in Germany, Cuba in the U.S. Those are individually sovereign countries, thus a foreign nation would not celebrate some historical event in that country. Where you and the rest of the treasonous nationalists blur the lines is that Quebec IS part of Canada, full stop. It is not "your" land.



JD Williams in Halifax NS Canada
said

I think this is interesting for sure, but remember Canadians we are the only country in the world that after we defeat our enemy's, we don't kick them out, we let them stay so that they can run the government. Take a look at who and where the PM's from 40 years ago till now have come from. Now for this "Our land comment." I think if it is your land why don't you defend it? Just remember without the treaty's with the First Nation's you don't really own too much of Quebec. Get over it.


Jeff in Mississauaga
said

I'm glad its cancelled because war re-enactment is pretty lame. Let them take their muskets back home to their parents basement and roll up some more dungeon and dragon characters


French and proud of it
said

To all you English who want this event so badly I say, When was the last time you set foot in Quebec City? It is pretty much 100% French. They don't want your silly reenactment, so go stage it somewhere else.




FB in ttawa
said

Its a shame that one of the most significant battles in history cannot be reviewed as that: an historical event. Quebecers fought bravely, but they were short changed by the French regime who were willing to trade it for two tiny fishing islands and one sugar cane island. If the French Navy had arrived in 1760 instead of the Royal Navy, the British would have had to surrender after having lost the battle of St Foy (can we re-enact that one?). Then Quebec would have muddled along, being starved by the RN blockade until France would probably have thrown in Quebec with the Louisiana Purhase of 1803. The result would have been that speeding tickets today would be issued in English, but with an American twang, and Quebecers would talk, in English, about how their ancestors used to speak French.

So, in hindsight, as others have pointed out, history is history, and in spite of the British tactical success in 1759, Quebecers can claim a strategic success. It would not have happened if it were assimilated with the US of A.


Chris
said

Interesting note. The Battle of Ridgeway is reenacted each year in Ontario and that one did not go well for Upper Canadians (Ontario). It is however a piece of our history as the Fenian Raids were one of the reasons for forming Canada. I say that Quebec would not exist today without the events that occurred on the Plains of Abraham and that the French soldiers who fought acquitted themselves well. To suppress their memory is a gross insult to the French and Quebecois soldiers who died that day.


Art
said

This battle never happened . I'm sure Quebec schools teach their history students that the British forces were defeated by the French with the help of Joan of arc. As long as they are happy , that's the goal of the rest of Canada to make Quebec a happy and wealthy little nation within a nation! We semm to be getting pretty good at it , and disregarding history is just another step in creating that utopia called Quebec.


Alex (Toronto)
said

I don't know how Quebecois feel about the Plains of Abraham, but the annual marches in northern Ireland commemorating the English victory at the Battle of the Boyne are pretty offensive to Irish Catholics.

Re-enactments always raise the question of what would have happened if the battle had gone differently. Re-enactments of historical Civil War battles in the United States contribute to perpetuating the animosities that led to the conflict and the sense of injustice among the descendants of the losing side.

In 1867, Canada chose to be a voluntary confederation of provinces. We should commemorate events that bring Canadians together.


Proud to be Frano-Ontarien
said

As a proud "Francophone", this really breaks my heart. This is part of our history, we should not be mad or ashamed of what happened on the Plains. I would love to hear the stories of those soldiers on that day. It's not a day to celebrate the lost of New France. This is who we are, this day made us who we are. I am proud to be french, I love my french, yet when I hear people from Quebec complaining and crying like this, I'm a little ashamed because I don't want people to think all french are like this. For those of you in Quebec who keep referring to Quebec as YOUR land, look it up in the History books, it actually belonged to the Natives so maybe you should get off THEIR land.


N Eyolfson
said

While I am not a reenactment enthusiast, protesting any reenactment does not change history. Do the Sovereignists also plan to protest the other events planned to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the British victory? We as Canadians should be proud to live in such a tolerant country. There are many other countries where the stance of the Sovereignists would be looked at as treasonous, where the losing side would not have been welcomed into the ranks but eliminated. Some of our own aboriginal tribes used to actually eat their defeated enemies. So I say to the Sovereignists, it's been 250 years, get over it! You are still here, whether or not you consider yourselves to be part of Canada.


DGRose
said

This comes as no surprise. I don't care if they re-enact the Battle of the Plains of Abraham, I know who won... After all, the "pur laine" Quebecois won't let anyone else forget it. Let the sovereigntists sucks spend the rest of their lives being bitter and pathetic, it's just a pity they couldn't do it more quietly or better yet: Elsewhere.


Randy - Edmonton
said

As a Canadian with french ancestors and who has geographical places in Quebec named after one branch of the family, I find your short-sighted opinion on this disappointing... Yes the battle was lost, but the battle still continues...

There were hero's on both sides and they should be celebrated. How it was fought and why it was fought is worth celebrating. But most importantly is the fact that although the Battle was lost by our ancestors the most celebrated fact should be that we are still here and that is worth recognizing and celebrating.

Unfortunately once again, the separatists in their narrow-minded drive to make this a "Quebec" thing have once again robbed the true French Canadians of another opportunity to celebrate our unique culture...



The French are not defeated
said

Go ahead and reenact it. While we are at it let's reenact every Montreal Canadians Stanley Cup victory. Oh, and let's take the time to reenact every last Toronto Maple Leaf's Stanley Cup win in the last 41 years.


rose in bc
said

I think we should protest the fact that Quebec refuses to acknowledge that they are part of Canada by the formation of a new political party. The main mandate of the party is to treat Quebec EXACTLY like the rest of Canada.

Maybe then they will start to accept that they are a part of Canada, not part of France, or their own separate little country but supported by Canada.


Daniel
said

Seriously people!

now I remember why I don't read blogs too often. You just get narrow minded comments from both sides. Why does the english side of Canada so bothered by what happens in Quebec anyways? If Quebecers don't require to be reminded that they lost the war against the british (which thing they are very aware of!), why should Canada be outraged?
Why do anglophones translate it as an act of hatred? Why do you need to generalize and say that the entire province is against Canada? Please THINK twice and then blog!




ian
said

So, in a really poor economy Quebec City gets a chance to host an event and bring in people to spike tourism.....wonder how the business owners in Quebec City feel about the separatists on this one?
We have a war of 1812 re-enactment each year in Wasaga Beach and it is part of our tourism program...we love the tourists...If you'd planned to go to the Quebec re-enactment, and are disappointed by the cancellation, why not come to Wasaga Beach this July instead....we'd love to have you visit us....check the re-enactment out




James
said

Battle of the Plains of Abraham - bah, its not really that significant, what is significant is the Peace Conference in 1763 and that France didn't give up territories elsewhere in the world (ie some spice islands in the Far East) to get New France back... that is the harder truth to swallow when you home country of France has abandoned you...despite the decision of the French Court to drop you like a hot potatoe - we still welcome you as part of our country - France's loss - Canada's gain - you help make this country great too =)


Barry
said

Do you think by cancelling the event you can pretend you didn't lose the battle?




Bob NS.
said

Nobody can change History.
The French lost the battle in the Plains of Abraham period.
The French people have survive because of the compassion of the English but the French were beaten.

Bob NS.



Pierre
said

I don't see why we would commemorate a battle that marked the start of a very dark era for Canada. This battle marked the beginning of the assimilation of the francophones in Canada.

Acadie Man said it well... or you may want to celebrate the dying off of thousands of native Canadians by diseases brough from Europe... that would make just as much sense.


PB in MTL
said

Reading anti-Quebec comments, I'm always struck by how similar your mindsets are to the very separatists you disdain. Like them, you are quick to anger, quick to wipe your hands of all problems, instead blaming them on others. If you only spoke French and lived in Quebec, you'd be a diehard PQ supporter, believe me, throwing a fit at every perceived slight.

Point of view is just an accident of birth. Few people here are adding anything useful to the discussion, only more anger and noise.

Meanwhile it's people like me who actually fight on the front lines trying to make this a country forged from mutual respect and understanding.


VancouverDave
said

Fine, then, if you don't want to celebrate the events as they occurred, then NO FUNDING FOR YOU. Have fun celebrating with your 250th anniversary cupcake in Mom's basement.


Raymond
said

Proudly born in Quebec now living in Alberta.

As a Canadian with a proud "pure blood" french heritage, this is what's wrong with the Sovereignist movement. History belongs to "all" of us, good and bad.
My father worked hard to get his young family out of Quebec in the 50's. He had signed up and fought in WW2 and was ashamed of so many Quebec men who had to be conscripted to join the fight. But then again, he knew how easily the French had given in to Hitler.

My Canada does belong to all, but I continue to worry about our constant "giving in " to the rest of the world who comes to our shores.
So all of that to say, go ahead and re-enact, and on a given Saturday I will wear the Franch Uniform and on a Sunday, the British one!


Vive les Canadiens
said

As a rabidly federalist immigrant, I'm glad it was cancelled. The ordinary Quebecois at the time saw themselves as more Canadian than French. They were our cultural forebears, so in a sense, our ancestors too..


Philoldgoalie
said

I find this whole scenerio rather amusing. The Quebecers protest the reenactment of a battle in which French soldiers died for them but same Quebecers were loathe to go over to Europe to help defend France from the Germans.


glen campbell
said

Perhaps all historical funding to Quebec should cease, they could take their language police monies to fund what ever history they can come up with. Not another federal dollar should go towards seperatist propaganda projects.


Matthew Glynn
said

Wow, there were 97 comments when I wrote this one, and I didn’t read every one but most of them were along the lines of 'get over it Quebec'

I am a Quebecer and an Anglophone that went to University in Ontario. I’ve met plenty of 'Canadians' from all provinces but the only ones that distinguish themselves from others seem to be Quebecers. We always give Quebec a hard time about wanting to be treated different, but guess what Canada we are!

Historically, had other Canadian communities been more adamant about not being assimilated by the British the they would have provincial cultures to associate with. But they don’t, they took the easy way out and now they are all the same. Canadians with German, Polish, or Dutch last names that can’t even pick out their fatherland on the map.

Despite losing the battle on the plains we still are the envy of Canada, the 90 some-odd comments are just proof.





former Quebecer, got smart and moved to Toronto
said

A french army was beat by a British army. The French army went home, abandoning the Habitants. The Habitants were never beat, they were abandoned by France.

This abandonment is a pathetic re-write of history. But Quebec sovreignists, who have no real understanding of even their own history, are having conniptions, perhsps it is better for thinking Canadians to leave Quebec (a Canadian province, not a nation) to stew in its own angst and bile.


Chris Panos
said

I can tell you for sure that its still a touchy subject. It is best not to agitate our beloved friends up in Quebec. Yes they did lose that battle and they know it more than anybody. Lets just get along.


History is written by the victors...
said

This is a funny situation, how the anti-Quebec voices are out here in droves saying "You can't change history! If you don't like this show then suck it up and stop being a whiner!"

Well, why don't we do a big reenactment of all of Canada's key events that oppressed and brutalized the First Nations people, and take the show on the road through all the First Nations reserves in Canada. We'll make it full of pomp and circumstance and we'll hand out candy apples to everyone who attends.

As if!

That might be a bit of an extreme example, but I hope the point is clear. History is written by the victors. No one wants to have a big dog and pony show in their own region that is humiliating and unpleasant to their cultural identity, nor does anyone want to have historical reenactments that show an ugly side of their nations' history.

As an Anglo living in Quebec, I can understand why some Quebecers wouldn't want this nonsense playing out on their turf.


Ron
said

Ron in Moncton
Its amazing how quebecers think they've been wronged. How many people of ALL nationalities were deported from their countries by any invading army. Certainly the french weren't the only ones. Yet quebecers want to feel ripped off and demand even more money because they can't get it themselves.
Under this pretense they have guaranteed themselves a job anywhere in Canada. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for the "Canadian" worker who wants to work in Quebec.

I invite quebecers to search on their french computers the following:
"english deportation from"

See what I mean - GET OVER IT


Paul
said

I thought Quebec was all about culture but I guess it is all about getting money from the rest of Canada with strings unattached - was there ever any doubt about that.
Time to draw a line in the sand.


Ancient quebecois
said

It is not just the re-enactment that has the people upset. For two centuries after this event the English dominated the majority in Quebec both in business and finance. The history is very recent and this has hit a raw nerve. I am not a separatist, but an Anglo who used to live in Quebec City and Monteal. I had freinds who could not achieve success because of their lack of English language skills in a majority French speaking province.


Chris White
said

The battle that took place on the Plains of Abraham had a profound and lasting impact on all Canadian citizens; Cancelling a re-enactment of factual, historic events to soothe the false pride of anyone borders on censorship, and insults the soldiers that fought and died on both sides.

Chris, Ottawa.


Une personne bilingue qui ne se plaint pas
said

Just to clarify:

A lot of French-Canadians don't share the attitude of Quebeckers.

For example, I am an Ontarian with an English mother and a French father. I am OK with Canada's history. I am also quite happy living bilingually in Canada.

So when you criticize a group, be sure to know who you are talking about: ALL of French-Canadians or just Quebeckers.


Paul Yewchuk, Victoria BC
said

Quebec is part of Canada as a result of conquest.History the world over shows that no federation or empire created through conquest survives intact forever. It's only a matter of time that Quebec will do he same. Let's plan to be good neighbors and every one will be better off for it. Adieu!


Dan from Northern Ont.
said

The deportation of the Acadians is still history worth noting. Without that bit of history, the southern States wouldn't have that touch of Cajun magic they have today. Actually, Quebec could learn from the humbleness of most Acadians.


Louise Smith
said

Louise, Kingston

I grew up in Quebec City and believe me not everybody think that way. I am proud to be une Québécoise but I am even prouder to be Canadian. Do not generalise people from Quebec because of this group of ignorant people. I too believe that it should not be cancelled. It's history, it's how it happened and get over it!!!! Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and join the rest of the world!!!! I have enough of sovereignist ruining our reputation. Grow up whiny babies.


Tucker
said

Quebec you have lost ALL respect from me and my family, seperate would yeah allready.


David
said

As an American reenactor of our own Civil War, the War of 1812 (a US regular) and the French & Indian War (French Marine) I know that every time I reenact F & I at Fort Niagara the French surrender after a long seige. Each time I reenact 1812 at Fort Niagara I know that once again I will be in the position to surrender the fort. If I reenact the battle of Bull Run I will have to surrender to the Confederates. That's just the way it happened and always should.
Loosing a battle reenactment will never stop me from remembering our rich history and how we all came to be. To forget our past is to deny our future.


Tom in London
said

Why not we celebrate Queenston Heights (from the war of 1812 for those of you in Quebec as it appears you are not taught history)
Get over it, you lost admit it and move on.


merna in sask
said

I find most of these comments vulgar, narcissistic, and embarrassing. Canadian's should emancipate themselves from there own self-hatred. If you want these battle to be re-enated so bad take up the cause and do it in your own back yard, nothing stopping you. Did any of you really care about the issue until the media made it public anyway? com on folks I mean really??


Soldiers deserve to be remembered
said

Do Americans forget that the civil war had battles that the south or the north lost? They still have re-enactments of events that are not pleasant, yet are important to remember. Both sides made sacrifices and that is what must not be forgotten. This is not a celebration to put down the French but to acknowledge a group of men who died for a cause they (hopefully) believed in.


DG from Mtl
said

RE history books, check out the French history books, the event is already "erased"


Ian K
said

This is political correctness gone insane and shows what a wimpy nation Canada has become. We are too weak to stand-up for the facts of our national history. How long before our history texts are re-written to accommodate the desires of special interest groups?

Next, I suppose, we will have German-Canadians (who are the third largest immigrant group after the English and French) claiming to be deeply hurt and offended by Remembrance Day celebrations.




Moni
said

I'm Mexican-American, I think it's rediculous what Quebec is doing. History is what makes us. they lost a war so, it happened. they should learn from it not run...


Jeff from Montreal
said

Remember.. this was cancelled because of safety and security concerns. This is a reflection on those who protest this and any other "anti-french" movement or event. Hold a vote in quebec on this and you will find that the majority would support the event.

It was cancelled because they want to avoid groups of idiots throwing child like tantrums.

The bark are louder than the bite.


MP - A French Canadian.
said

To deny history is to deny all those who were there.

You deny their struggles, their hopes, their fears and their dreams.

The re-enactment is only one part of history. It's not the celebration of death on the battlefield, but of life to those who survived on both sides.

I'm very proud to be French Canadian.


GrenCo Piper
said

My wife and I were looking forward to participating in the event and patronizing the fine restaurants in Quebec but have now canceled our plans.

What a pity that a few could ruin a major celebration of an F&I event and cause the loss of business to the many merchants in the area.

You've lost any respect we once had for Quebec and it's people.


Tom in Winnipeg
said

Sometimes I think it is useful to compare ourselves with how other countries deal with similar situations. In the U.S they often seem to be having Civil War re-enactments, even in the South, although the South lost the war. However, the U.S. Civil war really was a war between one group of people. A very different example is Northern Ireland. I think it is offensive and absurd how some militant Protestants still insist on having annual parade marches through the middle of Catholic neighbourhoods, to commemorate the Protestant victory in 1689, over 300 years ago. And violence and the perpetuation of hatred is the result. In Northern Ireland it is the case of one religious and ethnic group oppressing another for centuries, which has more in common with the Quebec situation. Regarding World Wars I and II, most of the commemorations focus on the terrible loss of life, and they are not really doing re-enactments. The 250th anniversary of the Battle of the Plains of Abraham should be observed in a low profile way, and I can easily see how a re-enactment would be offensive and inappropriate.


geebee
said

They lost the Plains of Abraham Battle BUT they were
allowed to keep their religion,
culture et al by the occupation British forces. Sad this hasn't been pointed out in
numerous news reports, other than the same tired insurrectionist babble. Theirs is a culture of hate!


Dust
said

Perhaps we should keep our equallization dollars in English Canada as well since Quebec is the largest reciever of payments from rest of the country.


Kat
said

By denying people the right to view this part of history in play form, you are sensorying our right to artistic expression and I thought Quebec was all "for" that right. What next?! Eliminate the battle out of our text books because a few radicals are insulted by it? Grow up. It happened. Its a part of Canadian history. Its fact. Its supposed to be non-political and a few radicals are making it political. All Canadians should complain because a few radicals are allowed to sensor our right to freedom of expression!!!


Gerry Demers
said

I am a Canadian from Quebec who loves history.That said what happened 250 years ago is irrelevant today or is it?The battles between French and English are still raging in this country though they are verbal wars.You would think that after all these years we as a nation whatever our language would have learned to respect and care for each other.It is our disrespect of each other that is ruining this great country.As Canadians ,each of us are entitled to our rights but we also owe allegiance to this country.There is no room for separatism,bigotry,hate ,jealousy,racism...Canada is today a wonderful place to live,let us make sure that history remembers us that way .One Canada ,two official languages and respect for each other is what we are.Let us never forget all the soldiers who gave us that gift that we so enjoy to this day. I will always be proud to be Canadian and I love my country.


Randy, London
said

Fine, if the separatists don't want to mark historical events, I guess there is no reason to ever travel to Quebec City. I am sick of these childish games, and will not travel to Quebec again, having been there many times to visit in the past.


Robert C
said

It's about time those Quebecois who wish to separate from Canada, grew up. This was a battle between English and French forces, not French and English speaking Canadians. Yes, the battle changed the course of history but let's not forget that the English allowed the continued use of French, the practice of Roman Catholicism and the land tenure. Quebec has prospered and grown significantly since 1759. Quit living in the past. the only way separatists are a conquered people is in their minds.


Joe MacPherson
said

Anyone remember Louisbourg?? last year Fortress Louisbourg re-enacted the siege and it was one of if not the most talked about events of the summer.History is what history is. Thats why its called "history".Lets just burn all relevant history documenting the french and that will be that...for heavens sake .....TOTALLY RIDICULOUS AND WE LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THIS ...BS


Reece
said

Why glorify any war. It´s history. Over. Done. Do they re-enact Vietnam or Iraq? Well, it´s just as stupid.

Only fools glorify wars.

...and remember, if the French won, WE ALL would be celebrating. Even in the USA, the Independence Day was a loss to America and isn´t something worthy of celebration.

Grow up. Move on.


steve robinson
said

English from Quebec
I so enjoy watching the French make asses of themselves.This is almost as good as the time 60 minutes did a story about Quebec's language police.


Cat
said

Being a French CANADIAN with ALL my ancestors establishing themselves in QUEBEC from FRANCE, I have Absolutely no problem with this celebration. It's a re-enactment of historical facts. Just because the French lost this particular battle doesn't mean that the re-enactment is meant to hurt or insult them. It's called EDUCATION for Heaven's sake!!
Im sure if they served Poutine on the sideline's, this battle would be praised by all french quebecers :P


Randy, London
said

Once again we bow to the separatists...does anyone in public office have any cajones to stick up for anything anymore?


MRC in Hamilton
said

This is proof that two distinct peoples cannot co-exist (within the same society). Learn from history.

Good luck with your "Multiculturalism", Canada.


Real Canadian
said

Well maybe we should not proceed with the Plains of Abraham re-enactment and just cancel it. However we could take the troops of of Afghanistan and and roll the tanks down the main streets of Quebec city and sort this division problem out once and for all. I like many other loyal Canadians are just so tired of the whiners


Oscar in Ottawa
said

As you pass through Quebec City the tourism radio station tells of the historic importance of the Plains of Abraham and how the battle fought there was a victory to the British Forces (not French and English Canadians by the way, they were British and French Regulars in a state of war), so should they take that off the air?. To cancel this event is to cry over spilled milk century’s old! It's unfortunate that a splinter of French Canadian separatists can drag the rest of a great nation around by the nose. The battle had nothing to do with the Quebecois, the “French Empire” however did loose, no matter how much you lay on the floor throwing a tantrum, you can’t re-write history


Dave
said

Another piece of lost history, because of catering to the squeaky wheels of society...in my machines, squeaky wheels get oil, but if they continue to squeak, they get replaced.

You simply cannot make everyone happy...to try is to succeed in not making anyone happy.

Last time I checked, Quebec was part of Canada, and NOT France...as a matter of fact, France doesn't really like Quebec much so what's the deal here??


Rick
said

I doubt anyone even knows the names of their ancestors 250 years ago. Not that they should be forgotten but the whole "insult" thing doesn't hold much water. It would have been a chance to glimpse history, regardless of how one feels about whichever side...


Rob, Alberta
said

Only in Canada can one group be defeated in a conflict over territory, be allowed to remain in that territory, be granted constitutional rights in that territory, and be allowed to complain about it incessantly. Shoulda punted them when we had the chance.


Steve Watson
said

The real point is being missed. This was a battle of the British against the French. We are all Canadians celebrating history. I was in Normandy three years ago and witnessed the local school kids celebrating the liberation of their town by British and Canadian forces in WWII it was a moving experience. Grow up Quebecers this is not a slight against you, it is history.


R/H Ontario
said

Another reason for these separatist to pack their bags and leave OUR CANADA and move to France. They consider themselves to be FRENCH so move to France you whiners and leave OUR LAND, (NOT yours) to real Canadians. WE (Canadians) would be better off in EVERY way without you lot!


Dan Bartie
said

It's though these historical events that we trace our heritage and understand how we evolved as a society to where we are today. To cancel such an event is to deny these historic truths and risk repeating them in future.


Alain à Chibougamau (Québec)
said

Yet another way for the English to re-assert their domination of the French...

Re-enactments are meant to re-live ... who wants to re-live any type of war?

If you want history ... read a book.


Dave, Ottawa
said

Yeah, I think this is for the best... the French don't want to be reminded that they were defeated, and the English don't want be reminded that we let the French stay. A lot of bad memories there, for sure.


Not surprised in Canada
said

I'm torn between 2 different comments:

"And yet I'll bet they would support re-enacting any defeat the english suffered in Canada's long back and forth history of struggle."

and

"Cool, the government has no spine, everyone threaten to protest taxes next!"


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

Now, now, now -- the memories of the defeat are obviously still too fresh -- perhaps in another 250 years they will be ready to face the past honestly with a proper historical perspective...


joanne
said

by the way people saying remove it from history try reading the french history books that is taught to our children who go to french school/it says that the french won the plains of abraham not the english


Hunter
said

I can not get over how people are saying "if you want to celebrate this, celebrate it in Kingston or someother part of English Canda", well guess what...it didn't happen in English Canada it happened outside of Quebec City, so in an effort to be "historically correct" and not "politically correct" it should be held there. And remember, Quebec is still a part of Canada and the Canadian government DOES have a say in what goes on in the province!! If you don't like Canada and what it stands for LEAVE!! That includes Quebec as it is a part of Canada!


Bill from Winnipeg
said

Well in Manitoba the "French Metis" have rewritten history already so why not in Quebec. Lious Riel was hung as a traitor and now we have aday off for him, and he is now claimed to be Father of Manitoba a Father of confederation and this year a Saint.


Jay in London
said

How petulant!

Due to an unwarranted sense of cultural indignation, a few small-minded people cancelled an homage to an important historical event in our nation's history.

When are we going to stop pandering to the minority and allow the rest of us to celebrate the milestones of our own heritage?


KRB
said

The funny thing is that it was the opinion of one Quebec historian who stated that no great country celebrates a defeat (his example was France celebrating Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo). Mustn’t be a good historian then, for does he not recall William the Conqueror? He was the Norman king that conquered England in 1066. The English still celebrate William, and the Battle of Hastings, etc. They recognize it as a basic fact of their country. Castles in England were introduced by the Normans!! There is a British World War II monument erected in France that reads “Nos A Gulielmo Victi Victoris Patriam Liberavimus”, which means “We, once conquered by William, have now set free the Conqueror’s homeland.”

As for the Americans, I guess there should be no Vietnam memorial, etc. It is a testament to the general maturity of our nation that the Americans honour Tecumseh far more than we do, even though he fought with us AGAINST them!



Jaret
said

I Guess we can forget about history when we don't like it.


Bill from Winnipeg
said

Well in Manitoba the "French Metis" have rewritten history already so why not in Quebec. Lious Riel was hung as a traitor and now we have aday off for him, and he is now claimed to be Father of Manitoba a Father of confederation and this year a Saint.


Roger Russell
said

They should have let Quebec "Nationalists" play the french and Canadians play the english... and arm them with real bullets!
This time when we "Win" and we did "Win", we won't be so kind as the English were the first time. I'd strip Quebec clean and call it "New England" .
At some point "Canada" is going to tire of the threats from a group of people who's culture and language has been preserved in large part because of the rest of Canada. Soon a group will form to expel the Quebec "Nationalists" aka cowards from our great country. And when Quebec independence comes and I think it will. It will not be because of any bravery or nobility or the fight for freedom as Im sure they will spin it when its over. But because Canadians, both in and out of Quebec will be bored to tears and just want it over. Basically they will have bored themselves to independence. But remember Quebec, you can't rape Canada on Sunday and then date it on Monday. Your hold on what will become a more resolved and stronger Canada will be over. Viv la free Canada!


Willie Everlearn
said

Quebeckers have to get over this deep seated desire to re-fight and win a battle of 1759. The French lost that battle but they had a choice, at the subsequent treaty negotiations, to retain their territory in Nouvelle-France. They chose instead to give that away in exchange for keeping the Caribbean islands (for purely economic reasons). As a result, in 1763, all the managers and moneyed merchants went back to France and left the general population to fend for themselves with the new British owners (who actually treated them very well).

I don't understand how today's Quebeckers can be so enamored of France after that slap in the face. This wish to re-play the battle and win is a clear symptom of the separatists' living in the past rather than building a future for this country.


Matt from Kingston
said

Staging a re-enactment of the battle is probably in bad taste.
I am a history student- I can appreciate these kinds of things; I also realize when it is imprudent to do so.
There is absolutely no reason why this NEEDED to be staged. I am an English Canadian, and I can't understand why others disagree with Juneau's decision to withdraw plans. Does anyone actually care that much? Do you really want to shove the 250-year-old French defeat in the faces of the Québécois?
Perhaps other English Canadians should simply "get over it."


RH in Ottawa, Canada
said

"In Quebec we decide what to celebrate on our land". Who's this "we"? Quebec is part of Canada. Why do Quebecios always have trouble remembering that?

I say let's protest not having the re-enactment.


Darren
said

I dont understand the importance of putting on this type of display when people are losing their jobs and homes. Lets get focused and put this money where it should be going !


Curtis
said

You can't change history. French Canadians complain they were conquered. They most definitely got it easy compared to Scotland, Wales and Ireland. They atleast kept their religion, language and culture.


YVES born in Quebec city
said

Do we have to re-wright all history books about Canada or pull those books from ALL the libraries in Canada specialy Quebec since it never happened based on their way of looking at history. GET A LIFE AND VISIT THE WORLD you'll see your opinion should change, and when you come back to Canada you will see what
"O CANADA" our home.......really stand for.


Donny in Edmonton
said

Go to a civil war reenacment in the southern United States, and even they can put up with the fact that they lost. Why is Quebec any different?

History happened and you can't change what has already happened.

Monsters like Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein altered what their countries history books said. Do you like that comparrison Sovereigntists? Because that's how you look to the rest of us right now.

A reenactment like this should be for both English and French Canadians to come together and watch a shared part of their history.


PEI Fella
said

This is crazy.

Why is our country divided? Over this? A piece of History that happened between two European nations 250 years ago on what is now Canadian soil.

Give me a break, France gave up on Quebec after the Battle of the Plains of Abraham which is why New France became part of British North America. Let's remember that New France wasn't just Quebec as we know it today.

Had they wanted to be separate they would have left or rebelled. You have no reason to not like Canada, you are not oppressed and treated at least equally as any other citizen of this great nation we call Canada. Give it up already; instead of making concessions to these people we should deport them. In the long run it will cost Canadians a lot less money and grief.


Albert Cahal
said

I find it strange they don't want people to remember that part of history, but they are more than willing to go along with the lionization of a mad man named Riel.


Regulus de Leo
said

Cancelling the re-enactment only confirms my own belief that Quebec is a provincial backwater suffering from cultural insecurity.


Frustrated anglo
said

This is just ridiculous!!

You may not always like what happened in the past, but we have to realize that history is what it is!! We can not change it, but must learn from.

Denying individuals the right to reinact a PIVITAL battle in Canadian history is a disgrace.

Why don't the extremists realize that this has nothing to do with "federal propaganda" but is meerly an opportunity to educate individuals about our Canadian history (and QC is included in that!!!).

Maybe if you took the time to educate yourself you'd understand. OH WAIT! It's easier to just complain about everything...



Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
said

Good! This event should absolutely have been cancelled there is no need for it and it only causes bad feelings.

Commemoration of this event is like the commemoration of the Battle of the Boyne in Northern Ireland. It only causes problems and for no good reason.

Not having this event is the best move the government could have made.


Peter in Toronto
said

Who Cares?! History is boring.


Toby
said

No matter how you want to twist it, you can't change it - it is still history


James from Peterborough
said

Re-enactments are just that. Re-enactments, in this case it was about a war a long time ago between the French and the British.

We should learn from it, not repeat it. I think it is very important to strive to find out what Queec and Canada have in common to build a stronger country and build upon that.


Jim, Regina
said

Would Quebec please hurry up and gain independence - the West and Ontario can no longer afford to subsidize (through equalization) keeping Quebec within Canada, so please get busy with another referendum. We're really tired of the whole business. Bye bye.


Rick B.
said

Not sure what all the fuss is about on the French side....guess when you got nothing, and what you do have comes from Transfer & Equalization Payments you are forced to grasp at straws. GROW UP


Mac Urrie
said

It is a re-enactment not a celebration. It has been held before but it was below the separatiste radar back then. Childish and provincial. Besides, it was a battle between Britain and France. While many have ancestoral ties to those countries we are not those people anymore. This argument is another "pur laine" myopic view of Quebec. The Plouffes might care but the Khans or the El-Sayeds don't. Stop living in the past.


Lee in Ottawa
said

This saddens me greatly. It is disheartening to think that due to political whining of a group that does not want to even be a part of Canada is dictating policy for their own patronizing agenda. When I was younger, I thought that the fact that Quebec was a part of our nation was a good thing. It made us unique, cosmopolitan and not American. As I have gotten older that perspective has changed. I annually see Quebec get billions of dollars in equalizations payments at far greater amounts than any other part of the country. I see the English language marginalized in Quebec while they want French to be promoted and reinforced in the rest of Canada. I see good people feeling disenfranchised as members of the public service because they cannot get promoted, although they may be completely competent, because they did not have the fortune to grow up in a part of Canada where they could learn to be bilingual. Instead, bilingual speaking individuals, typically francophone, are able to navigate the career path far more easily based more on language ability than competence.

I say English Canada needs to stand up and finally say enough is enough. We look like jokes. The fact that one of the parties in the house of commons is solely focussed on destroying the country makes us look pathetic and impotent on the world stage.

I say we have a real re-enactment and finally say so long to Quebec and let them go.. but before they do, we will keep the military the resources the currency and everything else that Canada has provided to that one province in order to allow to prosper. I do not believe that they would be all that successful on their own. All that this decision does is to spit in the face of English Canada and intensify the quiet anger that has been growing over the last few decades.



Tono
said

We have here an excellent demonstration of how Canadian history and culture is waning in the mindset of our citizens.
I would compare this cancellation to the Americans cancelling an American Revolution reenactment because it offended Canadians.
It's a beautiful province and everything, but in spite of the fact that they lost the battle, Quebec still appears to be controlling the country.


Use your heads
said

Do you people honestly believe that the Americans would re-enact part of the war of 1812 when the White House was burned down? Is it offensive to Americans that they wouldn't do this?
So then why is it so bad that french speaking Canadians do not wish to relieve that part of history.



Paul in SJ
said

How long ago were we celebrating the founding of Quebec city? That was a huge event in Quebec. They lauded their proud history for all the world to see.

A shame that their love of the historical is tainted. This decision clearly demonstrates how fanatical many Quebecois are when it coms to the history they selectivly achknowledge.

I for one am disgusted that the English portion of Quebecs' heritage is being ignored.


Karim in Ottawa
said

My two year old cries when it is his bedtime.

That doesn't mean I let him stay up.


Nad, Ottawa
said

What if it would be about one of the many First Nations of Canada? Would people say to "get over it"?? If it is to be comemorated, it should be with great respect. And this is something I don't seem to see in the comments here...


Diane M.
said

I guess that the Americans should not re-enact the Boston Tea Party and various other events that define their history .They may offend their British-born ancestors. Those of Loyalist heritage should avoid the same,as should the Acadians when it comes to Samuel de Champlain and so on .
These particular Quebecois are grudge-holders.The grudge-holding mentality is what is perpetuating wars in other parts of the world.What a shame.


Ronald Marshall
said

Sounds like the tail wagging the dog to me - Do these French speaking people leave thir brains at the door when they enter the bar? )Lie leaving yours with the bartender)I like French speaking Canadians but apparently they don't like me? That's just plain ugly!


Tagteam
said

I've never thought of that battle as being a defeat of Quebec -- it was a defeat of the army from France.

In many respects, the battle marked the beginning of Quebec culture, distinct from the Parisian French who always looked down on the Canadian colony. Within a few years, the real Quebecers would defend their way of life by defeating the invading forces from the US.

French or English, it's something to celebrate!


Dysfunction in Edmonton
said

I will by no means compare us to our american counterparts. But they habitually re-enact their civil war battles thought he eastern seaboard. They seem to take immense pride in partaking in these events.

Its not who won the battle, but honoring those on both sides. Its about honoring those who laid down their lives so you can have the chance and freedom to watch or even take part in this historic re-enactment.

When will people learn that hiostory is something to cherish and absorb, or we will be doomed to repeat it.


Bob Collings
said

Revisionist fools!...You cannot deny the facts of history. Will they now demand that history books be re-written as well?


KimmyB
said

Funny how they can re-enact all of the Civil War battles south of the border and no one there has a problem. I don't hear the folks in the south moaning over the fact that because they lost, the re-enactments need to stop.

Get over it cry babies - just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it didn't happen!


Owen in Galway
said

This is no different than the Orange marches in Northern Ireland each year, yes "it is history" and yes it is giving two fingers to the Catholics who were on th elosing side of the Battle of The Boyne. Do you want the seeds of sectarianism in Canada? Then in fairness I support banning this event.


mario
said

to :"keep your celebration in English Canada!"

the answer to your questions is yes they are celebrated, especially in Cuba, the last time i checked VDay and DDay are celebrated, should I continue...

the main problem is that the french weren't displaced. When you conquer someone you don't leave them there, you divide and conquer. Go to love Machiavelli, still relevant even though many don't agree.





Sherry Katrina
said

A long time ago there was a great and very large Santa Claus Parade every year put on by Eaton's and it was for the children. Then people from different french activists - amongst them the St Jean Baptiste Society threatened to march against the parade etc as they considered it "English". They cared not for the kids, only for their own political gain and they were so very wrong. But for a long time, many kids could did not have a Santa Claus Parade - why? stupidity really. Now, it continues and it's only a small amount of "lugheads" doing this and they are listened to! Disgusting!


i am a french acadien that is anoyed at hardcore Q
said

9/11 is offensive to the lost ones but still they honour the memory/history.
Poor quebecers poor poor quebecers. I have a coworker who drove to Florida last year and got pulled over by a North Carolina cruiser and he demanded to be served in french. lol poor poor quebecers.


Lindsay
said

Maybe we should take our hard earned tourist dollars and spend it in other parts of this GREAT country.


Brooko
said

Although Wolfe won the battle the real winners were the French settlers who maintained their religion, language and heritage. If you look at the treay that ended that war France sold out the rest of it's holdings in North America and walked on it's remaining subjects. There is a "Quebec" today because of that battle and that war instead of a "Louisiana".

And by the way, re-enactments are simply that,re-enactments, not celebrations but a re-enactment of history. History being defined as actual events, like them or not.


Maria
said

I find it truly ridiculous that embarassing history can be avoided. Does that mean the Americans can pretend the Bush years didn't happen? Can Canada pretend much of the past 20 years didn't happen. Talk about selective memory.


D in Calgary
said

A quote I like is "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." One wonders from this article who needs the reminder, Quebec or the rest of Canada.



John in Toronto
said

The only thing that surprises me is that it was actually proposed in the first place. Who on earth would think that something like this would ever be allowed to happen in Quebec City?

It's a miracle to me that condos havent been built on the Plains of Abraham yet.


Steve-O
said

We need an un-biased opinion! Anyone want to comment who's not french or english???


RobO(X Quebecor)
said

Gee, I'm from a French and Irish Family from Quebec, can I get the province to cancel St John Baptist Day since I don't get St Patricks day. I'm alway split on this and it hurts my liver.


Dave Lever
said

Considering the British still allow re-enactments of the battle of Hastings (14th Oct 1066, where the Norman French won and took control of England). It makes the Quebecers look like babies crying over spilt milk... Grow up...


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

WHO "WON" THE BATTLE?

Actually, the French lost the battle but won the war; as evidenced by their ability to dominate one province which, in turn, dominates much of the political workings of Canada...at the expensive of cohesive nationalism.



Chris Powell
said

This is really stupid. Americans do it all the time (as do many others), and no one complains that it "hurts their feelings". Leave it to the crazy separatists to ruin a good time.


Mark
said

I love this comment:
"Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?" To answer your question, no they don't, but then again, you are referencing different COUNTRIES! You (Quebec) are NOT YOUR OWN COUNTRY! Our country is CANADA, not ENGLISH Canada or FRENCH Canada as you would like to suggest. The U.S. regularily re-enacts their civil war, and defeat of the British. Get over yourselves already and grow up, bunch of seperatist babies!!! This of course comes as no suprise to the rest of Canada. How ignorant can you be to ignore your own history because it hurts your feelings.


Peter in Edmonton
said

St-Jean-nobody said:

"In Quebec we decide what to celebrate on our land, no one else!"

Actually it's OUR land -- keep telling yoruself that Quebec belongs to you for any reason beyond English good graces. We LET you live there....it's never been yours and it never will be. In this world you do not simply say "We own this" -- you actually have to defend it and you ran after the VERY FIRST VOLLEY of shots.

Cowardice has no rewards -- but go ahead and keep telling yoruself it's "your land". You don't have ANYTHING that English Canada didn't ALLOW you to have. One day we're going to come back and kick you off it. Shouldn't be any harder than it ever was.



JT in vancity
said

How typical! Quebec says 'jump' and the Federal Government says 'how high'?

We need to end the discussion on Quebec secession immediately. If you don't like living in Canada, LEAVE!

But the territory stays Canadian!


French student Barrie
said

So let me get this right. are we offending the German's every time we celibrate victory in Europe after both WWI & II. It's not federalist propoganda, these events actualy happend. what a country we live in. And for the record I'm not bashing francaphones, most I've spoken to think this is childish too. So no bashing the Francaphones in here.


Allen
said

Face facts, you lost the battle and the war and out of the sheer kindness you were allowed to stay and have your culture. Remember it was the British/English that allowed you this. Get with the time and get over it, you are Canadians first and if you're not. Go to France and be all the French you want to be.


Peter in Edmonton
said

What's hilarious about this is that is highlights the different mentality of Quebers with, well, everyone else on Earth. To anyone else reading this story it makes the French sound like complete losers who can't deal with anything without crying about it day and night. One more example of the perpetually-offended Frenchman. Hilarious that Quebecers actually think that by some unknown reasoning if they can only cancel a re-enactment that somehow this will change history and let be anything other than losers.

Once more Quebec: the entire world, including France is laughing at you. For once it's not because of what you're wearing.


Tim from Calgary
said

There goes my trip to Quebec! So sad that Quebec will miss out on so many tourists dollars just to some childish separatist whining over a part of history that they want to re-write. Better to visit other provinces instead and spend my money there instead of going to Quebec where whining takes precedence over history.


Shelley
said

Canada is a nation with a history. To denounce our history is to turn our backs on who we are today. If we continue to stick our heads in the sand we will be ridiculed as a nation with no backbone, who are ruled by whiners and pouters.


Peter From Petawawa
said

When will the day come that CANADIANS can celebrate a part of there history with out caring what the DAMM sovereigntists like or don't like.
Ilove this country but God help us if the english says or dose any-this to upset the French there history is shoved in our face but we can't do the same.
This again proves that Quebec runs this country.


DWR
said

To the Québécois it is always political. That is why they do not want it they know they lost and they do not want their face rubbed in it. This is a historical act and it should be done, we should stop this political correctness it is out of hand. The dumbest thing that was ever done was to bow down to this province in the first place, it was all to save the French heritage and way of life, if you have to legislate it then is it truly worth keeping? I know many other ethnic nationalities that have kept their language their religion and ways of life and it has not been legislated. Only the French have to have that done. WHY DO WE PUT UP WITH THIS?



Get over yourselves
said

What to say...federalist propoganda? Last I checked we were one nation, I didn't know our own history is 'propaganda'. Talk about seperatists looking ignorant. In other news, relatives of Nazi officers protest the re-enactment of the defeat of Germany during World War II, saying it hurts their feelings.


COLIN FROM HALIFAX
said

Smart move cancelling it. US Civil War re-enactments can occur because they are united. We still have Quebecois with historic regrets and grievances and we Anglo-Canadians should respect their feelings.

My Scottish-Canadian Dad would probably hate Culloden to be re-enacted or the demise of William Wallace. THE PAST IS THE PAST, IT HURTS SOME, SO LET'S MOVE ON.


Moran McMahon
said

Another example of Political correctness wins out in Canada. What a shame. Why not cut the umbilical cord and let Quebec float back to France.


L.T.
said

Move over history!
Let's erase the event from all school textbooks as well.


Noel Murphy
said

Once again Quebec gets its way. To say this decision is non-political is a load of crap. You cannot arbitrarily change whta happened in history. The battle of the Plains of Abraham was a huge turning point in the future of Canada as we know it today. IT HAPPENED!!!!! But then again, I guess it is ok to spend "federal" tax dollars to put on the rest of the events that are planned. I am sick and tired of being politically correct and bending over to get screwed again by Quebec.


Shirley
said

Good Grief. It is a part of history - good or bad!


Alberta Believer
said

Ah well its in keeping with this country's new found attitude ..."try not to offend people."

We have so called human rights commissions which order people not to speak on certain topics and to pay people money for saying things that may hurt the feelings of others.

Speaking on a historical note, the Fathers of Confederation if alive today would be advocating revolution against this society its government, wayward norms and new found values. The Canada that we have today is not the one that tens of thousands of Canadians fought and died for in places like Ypres, Vimmy Ridge and Dieppe.

Myself personally I don't think I've undertsood much thats gone on in this country since 1965. Whatever it is it just seems to be getting worse and worse.


Federalist Quebecer
said

This was not a great idea and it is the best decision in this case.

Instead of celebrating thse kind of events, try to find an event everyone can enjoy especially in thier province.

Canada has to respect the opinion of Quebecers on what takes place in Quebec.

Why would Quebecers want to celebrate this event? This is an event that could be celebrated in the National capital if canada really want to celebrate it.

You can't impose your decision in our province, sorry!


Mark
said

Of course the re-enactment will be cancelled. To demonstrate a historical fact will likely offend some who would rather revise history.

This is a prime example of the socialist rot that is creeping into Canada. Now it's offensive to re-enact history. The next step will be to actually change out the outcome of that particular battle to match the social/political agenda of those who are 'offended' by history.

What is next?


Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
said

This is a good example of our tax dollar's going to fund Canadian culture.
Why bother when you can't even display historical fact.
Maybe it would have been okay if they would have changed the outcome of the battle.

They were worried about security?Were there going to be F.L.Q.terrorist's or whatever threatening the re-enactment?
It just sicken's me the way this country keep's bending over for these Quebec sovereignist's.Funny thing though I haven't heard the great one "Iggy" make any comment on this he's to busy wooing Quebec voter's and apologizing to western Canada for past liberal mistake's.Maybe you guy's out west should file a lawsuit for reparation's for the past energy policy's of previous liberal government's.See what Iggy would think of that.What a phony bunch of crap,this political ass kissing and pandering just seem's to never end.



R/H Ontario
said

Another way that Quebec can RULE Canada. These canadian/french people should get a grip. What the hell is wrong with them? They are draining Canada's Economy by their whining and complaining and forever getting handouts. Separate for Goodness sake, leave the rest of us Canadians and have your own little kingdom. We will NOT miss you lot. For the Quebecers that do not want to separate, move to some other place in Canada. We will welcome you and you WILL have a good life.


S English in kingston Ontario
said

Are we sure that the British won that battle? From this story one would not think so.

I'm also not so sure when such things as the French Language Services Act and being forced to offer services in French in Kingston to a population that simply doesn't exist is allowed to happen.


MuskyBuck
said

Hey!!!

History has taught us all that the French settled the Red River area in Manitoba many hundreds of years ago.

Each year I'm reminded of their sheer shortsightedness of choosing this spot to settle when November rolls around.

I therefore would like to formally state that I am offended by winter.

This re-enactment of survival during the coldest period of the year literally makes me sick and I would state that Canada should forgo winter from here on in.

I will stand here and protest until I get my way.

Or until I recieve a grant that will allow me to vacation away from Canada during this time.

Donations are fine too, please make them payable to:
The Pasty White Angry Man Fund.


keep your celebration in English Canada!
said

Why would we celebrate this event in Quebec? I am not seperatist but this is nonsense!

Does England and USA celebrate their victory over Germany in Berlin? Do we celebrate our canada day in England? Does Cuba celebrate their liberation in USA?

We don't need this kind of abuse and we simply won't put up with it on our land!

Celebrate it in English Canada and have a great time!


Eugene
said

lol. hahaha. I'm currently in Montreal and I love how this is such major news....kinda sad that they won't re-enact a historical moment in our countries past because some people think its offensive to the losers of that war.....grow up, no one is trying to say so and so are better than you. Just trying to show how General Wolfe defeated General Montcalm in one of the most significant battles in our nations history.


Raj
said

Of course it has been.It's quebec, any other provice would have just called this history and be done with it.I am sick of whiny sepratists.


Acadie Man
said

whats next....re-enactment the deportation of the acadiens?

its easy to call it "history" if you came out on top.

this would just be another example of the english still trying to assert themsevles in the francophone culture and assimilate the rest of french speaking canadians

but thats only my 0.02


Wayne
said

I can't beleive how we bend over backwards to satisfy a few. This is just the establishment not wanting to ruffle the seaparatist feathers. Get a backbone and stick with the plan.


Danny
said

Once again we are not able to show what really happened in history because it might bother a few narrowed mined people...We should not alter the facts of history because a certain group utters threats of violence and civil unrest...We are a province and a nation based on rules and laws, that our forefathers have died trying to protect... What an honor for our fallen soldiers that shaped this nation, what else should we forget about history...where does it end!!!


Meg
said

What the Quebec nationalists are overlooking is that the battle actually took place. It's not a matter of right or wrong ~ it's what happened and it is a part of the history of Quebec City. A lot of things have happened since and it would not be a bad thing to show that, out of the ashes of defeat, Quebec has emerged as a strong entity.

It is not right that history can be so arbitrarily dismissed ~ it is tantamount to denying the truth in the hope that it will never come to light, becoming a precursor to a web of lies.


Marilyn
said

So, history is offensive now, is it? Well, I guess my money is better spent outside Quebec this summer. As an English re-enactor, with French ancestors too, by the way, I wouldn't be welcome anyway. Grow up sovereigntists.


john in Kitchener
said

Well, in 1984 (in Oceania) it was at least the government who regularly re-wrote history to suit its own whims.
Now we, in Canada, are denying our rich history to suit the whims of a part of this country.
Oh, well - Canada is getting more an more used to the position of bending over for every one who doesn't like our history, our language, our customs, our heritage or our religion.
Soon (if not already) we'll be known as the patsies of the world.
Oh Canada, we stand on guard for (what's left of) thee!


St-Jean Batiste is still on in Quebec city!
said

Best decision to be made. We certainly don't need that event in Quebec City!

If English Canada wants it that bad they can always celebrate that grreat victory in Ottawa!

In Quebec we decide what to celebrate on our land, no one else!



Peter
said

The historical facts are that the British won that particular battle and the French lost. Live with it.


Gord
said

I wish Quebec would grow up and join Canada. History shouldn't be ignored or changed to suit radicals. If Quebec wants to belong to Canada fine if not separate now and be done with it.


Ry in Hamilton
said

That is just ridiculous.

You were conquered, get over it.


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