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Two Afghan detainees are seen shackled together in this undated photo. Liberal Foreign Affairs Critic Bob Rae speaks with CTV's Mike Duffy Live about the Afghan detainee transfer policy on Thursday, Jan. 24, 2008. NDP Defence Critic Dawn Black discusses the government's decision not to inform the public about the change in Afghan detainee policy with CTV's Mike Duffy Live on Thursday, Jan. 24, 2008.

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Date: Thu. Jan. 24 2008 10:30 PM ET

The Harper government is under fire from critics who accuse it of being inept or misleading when it comes to the issue of the transfer of prisoners by Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan.

federal court heard on Thursday that Canadian troops had halted the transfer of detainees to Afghan authorities in early November, one day after finding evidence of torture in an Afghan prison.

That came as a complete surprise to Canadians, human rights advocates, and politicians. Back in November, Maxime Bernier had said Canadian officials were concerned about a Taliban prisoner who alleged that he was tortured, but the foreign affairs minister did not mention that Canada had already halted prisoner transfers.

On Thursday, a federal official said that's because a Canadian colonel in Afghanistan made the decision and no one in the military told the government. Critics say that's hard to believe.

"I think there's been a complete lack of candour (by the Tories)," Bob Rae, the foreign affairs critic for the Liberals, told CTV Newsnet's Mike Duffy Live.

"The government knew what the decisions were on the ground. They must have been informed about them."

Critics say it's especially difficult to believe that the military would not have told the government about the change in policy because the issue of prisoner transfers was at the centre of a political firestorm at the time.

As late as the end of October, the Conservative government had questioned and even denied news reports that some prisoners captured by Canadians and turned over to the Afghans were abused. They suggested that the reports were unsubstantiated and part of Taliban propaganda.

But the opposition had hammered away at the issue in the press and in Parliament, and on Nov. 5, Bernier acknowledged that Canadians saw a Taliban prisoner with conditions that "concerned them."

On Nov. 6, the military stopped turning over prisoners to the Afghans and on November 14, Bernier admitted that torture allegations were in fact made. Critics now want to know why Bernier did not mention that prisoner transfers had by then already been halted for more than a week.

In a statement released Thursday, the Prime Minister's Office called the number of detainees and transfer of prisoners "operational matters."

"The government will not provide any comment on operational matters," said a PMO statement released Thursday.

Rae noted, however, the issue is far from an operational matter.

"The idea that you can brush this aside as some kind of an operational decision is frankly ludicrous. A decision as to what you do with prisoners is not an operational decision made on a day-to-day basis. It's a decision that's made as a matter of policy," he said.

Dawn Black, the NDP's defence critic, told Mike Duffy Live that she finds it difficult to believe that the military would not have informed the government about the change in policy.

"We live in a democracy where the government guides the policies of the Canadian Forces. It's not supposed to work the other way around," she said.

Responding to criticism by Rae and Black, Laurie Hawn, the parliamentary secretary to the defence minister, reiterated the PMO stance that the government does not "meddle, day-to-day, in the kinds of decisions (the military) is forced to make in a very tough situation, in a very tough part of the world."

When asked where detainees are being held now that Canada is no longer transferring them to the Afghans, Hawn said it was an "operational decision" of the military.

In court on Thursday, human rights groups sought a ban on transfers. But a federal lawyer argued it was a moot point because the transfers have been stopped. The government's lawyer was cut off by Federal Court Justice Anne Mactavish.

"Up until noon on Tuesday we thought there was a live controversy," she said.

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Brent MacKinnon
said

I wonder what Dawn Black has on her resume to qualify her as a "defense critic"..likely nothing. In Canada to be a successful politician you just need to be a cynical lemming that decries anything the Canadian Forces do, or twist any event and attempt to blame the current government. Canada needs to be rid of these dishonest power hungry miscreants. We deserve better!


VancouverDave
said

Well, at least now we know why this government had to backpedal so rapidly concerning the US-Israel torture revelations; they could clearly see their own poor human rights record being placed under the spotlight in the near future.


rosie
said

Maybe the critics should be given daily e-mails from the military telling them what they did that day. then the critics can advise the military what to do.Maybe we could call the UN and have them ask Syria or iran advise our military.Or maybe ,just maybe let the Canadian military handle these problems.


Irving Schwartz
said

I'm glad to see the military making this decision on its own.

I'd like to see them make one more decision: to overthrow this unaccountable, dictatorial government and establish a framework for democratic rule in Canada.


Gordon B Hamilton
said

Hey, Ben.
Please advise as to which government was based on 'honesty'...?
All politicians are liars, but I find that Stephen Harper's only weakness is choosing his lieutenants... He is a straight shooter when he knows all the facts....



NB
said

I will be the first in line on election day to vote Harper out, but I don't see anything wrong in this particular case.
Politicians are not in the front lines risking their lives every day; they are in their comfy Ottawa offices. So if the Military makes a decision that will save lives, leave them alone. They are 100% more qualified than inept politicians.


Andrew
said

When canadian soldiers hand pow's over to Afgan authorities the government is criticized, when they stop transfers because of torture allegations the government is criticized. Is this not what the opposition was asking for to stop the transfers if there was indications of torture. Whats the problem Bob? The army didn't call you first to make sure you were ok with their decisions.


Raymond
said

Not quite, Ben.
Harper has actually been handling this properly by keeping information outside of the hot zone to a minimum. Right or wrong, it is a war and we are involved.
Since when should the public be allowed full intrusion into military affairs, ESPECIALLY when our troops are in combat? Good grief, people.




geoffrey marsden
said

Bob Rae demonstrate his lack of a grasp of reality during his farcical term as premier of Ontario;why are we interested in his opinions now?

Liberal intellectuals, sheltered as they are by years spent in the secure fantasy land of academia, saw fit to buy votes with tax dollars rather than adequately fund the military. They are in no position now to criticize a government whose military no longer has the resources to handle these prisoners thanks to decades of their short sighted policies.




Des Emery
said

The military, including the Canadians in Afghanistan, always know that the chain of command is to be followed rigorously. It is therefore reasonable to assume the decision not to turn prisoners of war over to be tortured was properly vetted by government officials.

It is also reasonable to assume, given the PM's propensity for keeping secrets even from the rest of his caucus and from Parliament, that this particular event back in November was truly unknown to the government sources of public information. Only Harper, and probably Bernier, should be held responsible for this fiasco.

And Kevin should know that judges do not make law but are invaluable in their role of interpreting the values the politicians themselves impose by law upon the people, whether knowingly or not.


Roger T
said

Told ya', Harper goes on a rant on Human Rights issue a few months ago with China and now it's barking right back at him. Here is our PM preaching to other nations on human rights issues while we are trying to hide what we're not suppose to be doing. I guess, Harper thinks that the other side of the world or our own people are not watching or maybe his Gov't miscalculated.

Before our Gov't preach or wants to lead and tell the world that we are role models our country should really clean up it's act before we lose face. After all, monkey see monkey do!


TD
said

one thing I don't get is that aren't the same people crying about prisoners being handed over to the Afghani authorities the ones crying over the repeal of that policy? Listen folks, you got what you were crying for and it still aint good enough? If you want to be better informed, do not listen to those who sit back in their comfy living rooms trying to convince people what the military -which is at war- ought to do with prisoners and everything... everyone's a general until they see it first hand!


Ian
said

If it was not for transparent government this would not be a problem. We have become so accustomed to the Harper government being forthcoming and divulging everything the know about any topic that when we learn about somthing like this we are a little surprised. Transparent governing is not always as easy as Steve "Intergalactic highway" Harper would like us to believe. Transparent, responsible governing for all.


Andrew
said

Glad to hear Bob Rae is concerned about human rights abuses in Afghanistan, because if Canada withdraws- as the Liberals and Rae suggest- there's sure to be many more of them.


Ben
said

Any second now, I'm sure Tory operatives will start posting here that Harper's government has "raised Canada's place on the world stage" and that this latest example of their incompetence is just the opposition party "grasping at straws" and how things would be so much better if we had a Tory majority.

Of course, everybody else sees this as just more proof that Harper's government is one based in dishonesty.


kevin
said

So Bob Rae doesn't believe what you do with prisoners is an operational matter...what a fool! How you deal with prisoners is definately operational and day to day. If you are taking fire after capturing some terrorists you handle them differently than you would if you are part of a large force doing an operation such as road clearing or advancing to contact. Let the military do their job, they are very good at it and let politicians and judges stay out of it. Bob go away and spent someone elses money. As for the chief justice what a moron and to think since the Charter of Rights was passed these are the people who make laws instead of the public.


Jason
said

AS an ex-canadian soldier I am quite offended by the liberals and anyone else who thinks they "need to know" this information. Such information has tactical consequences and the general public does not need to know the day to day decisions made by the military. I stand by Harper here for defending the security of the military while they are in a dangerous combat environment. Canadians all want to be armchair generals but I don't see the liberals fighting on the front lines. Give me a break people. No scandal here no matter how hard you try.


Kirk
said

Interesting. First there is complaining that detainees were being handed over. Now the military is not handing them over. Who really cares if the government didn't jump around spreading the good news. Maybe everyone was focused on doing their job instead of scoring cheap political points. Perhaps that role is left for the Liberals and NDP.


Scott
said

Stephen Harper said there would be more transparency with a conservative government. Stephen, you very clearly, are very transparent.


John from BC
said

The "eye for an eye" culture in that part of the world is difficult for us to understand. I experienced this in the Balkans and realized that it is a very deep rooted practice, especially in the remote rural areas. Revenge is often considered honorable. Still, I agree that we need to move toward more and more transparency as our international reputation is growing in stature.


John T
said

Canadian soldiers faced a tough choice of possibly being charged as war criminals by following the government's policy, or simply refusing to participate in activities they knew to be heinous and morally repugnant.

Kudos to them for choosing the latter. Once again they have demonstrated how worthy they are of our highest respect and admiration.

The actions, policies and sneering denials of Harper's minority government have been a disservice to Canadians and a failure to demonstrate any form of leadership. Shame on them!


Steve
said

WOW, I'm pretty sure that if the military can make some decisions on their own. They're the ones on the ground that know the situation. I think they are the best ones to make the decision anyway. Too much politics in the Army costs lives and this is starting to become too much.


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