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Date: Tue. May. 5 2009 7:20 PM ET
The Canadian government will challenge a proposed European ban on sealing products which would result in "a very serious blow to the industry," International Trade Minister Stockwell Day said Tuesday.
The EU ban will likely become law by the end of June, at which point, Ottawa will quickly respond with an appeal to the World Trade Organization, Day told reporters in Prague Tuesday, where he's attending free trade talks with European leaders.
The contentious bill, which passed on Tuesday with 550 votes in favour to 49 against, calls commercial seal hunting "inherently inhumane."
"We plan to do that, because the vote is not based on the fact Canada follows international guidelines and best practices regarding the seal hunt," Day said.
Day added that Canada should be exempt from the ban on the grounds that the seal hunt in Atlantic Canada is humane and sustainable.
He also said the proposed ban could devastate small Canadian communities on the east coast that depend on the seal hunt for at least a quarter of their annual income.
"If you're one of the 6,000 families who are being affected, you would call it disastrous, and that's what it is," said Day.
All 27-member governments of the European Union are expected to endorse the ban in the coming weeks, which will likely ensure that the restrictions are in place before next year's seal hunt.
Liberal MP Gerry Byrne said Prime Minister Stephen Harper needs to stick up for the country's sealers, who have been dealt a crippling blow by the ban, which may even be illegal.
"The international trade community all agree that this EU ban is illegal," he said in a brief phone interview on Tuesday morning.
"Where was the prime minister three weeks ago?" asked Byrne, referring to when the prime minister attended the most recent G20 meeting in London.
He said the prime minister should have pushed Canada's European colleagues to "denounce the illegal trade action" that will ban the import of Canadian seal products.
Minister of Fisheries and Oceans Gail Shea blamed the ban on special interest groups who have misled the European public with an aggressive public relations campaign over the past few years.
For example, Shea said anti-sealing activists have used images of bloodied seal pups to shock Europeans, despite the fact that "Canada has not killed a white seal pup in over 20 years."
Shea noted that high-profile activists like Brigitte Bardot have also dealt the seal hunt a punishing blow in the court of public opinion.
"Politicians will tell you privately that this isn't a decision based on fact, this is a decision based on emotion," Shea told reporters in Ottawa Tuesday.
Meanwhile, the fisheries minister of Newfoundland and Labrador also called on Harper to take action against the seal ban.
Tom Hedderson said the prime minister should make a retraction of the seal ban a condition of trade talks in Prague this week.
Critics of hunt call ban 'tremendous victory'
Long-time critics of the sealing practice in Canada, however, were pleased to see the bill go through the European Parliament.
Rebecca Aldworth, with the Canadian branch of the Humane Society International, called the bill's passage a "tremendous victory."
Inuit communities from Canada and Greenland are exempted in the bill but they still cannot engage in large-scale trading of seal products in Europe.
Another exemption allows for "small-scale hunts" to control the seal population.
But Inuit groups are still concerned how the ban may affect their livelihood.
Joshua Kango, who heads the Nunavut-based Amarok hunters and trappers association, said the ban "is definitely going to impact the lives of the Inuit in the very near future."
"We don't have any other way to survive economically," he told The Associated Press.
Russia, China and Norway will also be affected by the ban but the Canadian industry, the largest in the world, is expected to be hit the hardest.
Canada and Norway have said they will contest the ban before the World Trade Organization.
Ottawa estimates that the ban will cost some 6,000 sealers in Canada about half of their annual $13 million in revenue.
Already, this year's commercial seal hunt was very quiet as harp seal pelt prices have dropped significantly over the last three years.
Only 306 sealing enterprises from Newfoundland and Labrador took part in this year's hunt, compared with 977 last year, the Department of Fisheries and Oceans confirmed.
"For the Newfoundland and Labrador sealers, the seal hunt this year has gone very slowly compared to other years," Larry Yetman, a resource management officer with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, told The Canadian Press.
EU ban result of public opinion, says official
Diana Wallis, Vice President of the European Parliament, said the ban is the result of sweeping public opinion.
"There are many, many people across the European Union and they have been lobbying us very hard to say, they do not wish to see the products of the seal hunt being sold on Europe's market," she told CTV Newsnet in a telephone interview from Strasbourg, France.
"I'm afraid that we have had to listen to them and we have had to act accordingly."
Wallis added that the European ban takes into account both the traditional Inuit hunt and hunting for the purposes of conserving depleted cod stocks.
"We have indicated that where seals are killed on the basis of sustainability the products of that hunt may enter our market, as long as it has not been done for commercial purposes."
Liberal Sen. Mac Harb, the only Member of Parliament who opposes the seal hunt, said he was pleased with the EU ban.
But he expressed disappointment that the government plans to mount a legal challenge to the WTO that will cost millions of dollars and has little chance of success.
"I'm disappointed because the government of Canada has no action plan to support these sealers, who now, they are going to find themselves without a market," he told CTV's Power Play on Tuesday.
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Reece
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Oh my goodness! I hope that Harper and his people go before the WTO and argues that the god(s) gave him the right to a seal hunt blah blah blah - I would insist on televising this on tv so we can all have a good hearty laugh over it.
God? LOL!
Greg
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NB
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Nowonder
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Don
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XB70Playboy
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Nanaimo Bruce
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Jack W. Cates
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William Chemko
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The EU banned the import of whitecoat seal pelts in 1982. Finally, they have taken the action they should have done in 1982.
Any action to the WTO will take at least a decade, cost many more millions of Canadian taxpayer dollars and will accomplish nothing.
Fur is dead. It is not considered fashionable to wear fur anymore. Thrift shops across North America such as Goodwill and The Salvation Army are full of fur coats no longer wanted.
Most Canadians are ashamed, embarassed and angry the slaughter has lasted as long as it has
KGP
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Firstly... Have you considered the human impact on the environment? Humans for better or for worse have affected CARRYING CAPACITY of all species. And our government allowing overfishing in our waters while leaving nothing for our own citizens has diminished the CARRYING CAPACITY of many communities who have relied on these resources. The false imagery used to turn the stupid against the seal hunt is flagrantly misleading. And you are clearly unwilling or unable to consider all the facts, upto and including the human cost of the human hunt that is going on these days (last years)
Secondly if you know how the seals were killed and not just what it looked like years ago in a propaganda film or from what you have been told by "true believers" you would actually recognize the similarities.
Thirdly if you remove a predator to species the CARRYING CAPACITY of that eco system goes up, cut seal quotas, and the population increases and what do they eat? You probably guessed wrong... they eat Cod. now you remove a predator to the cod and you've got a pretty large seal population.
Fourth the abundance of lobster has lowered prices dramatically and fisher people can't even afford to fish for lobster they can't even cover their costs and I'm not aware of a correlation between cod and lobster populations
Fifthly NO ONE CLUBS BABY SEALS
Sixthly You need to do better homework.
Jake
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YR
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Canada has to get on the boat and stop the commercial seal hunt once and for all.
Kudos EU !!!
Andrew, From Ontario
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This is not a question of the hunt. If people feel bad about the hunt, then don't buy seal products. Simply economics, no demand no hunt.
We just can't let Europe define and shape our country. That is our job. So stand up for Canada Mr. Harper and do not let them ban our products. If they say they want free trade the nit has to be FREE TRADE!!!!
Dunny from Manotick
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How is Foie Gras made???
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chuck
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The Hunt Is On
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They feel as if they are the do all and end all in the world and their moral values are some how, superior to ours.
The seal hunt should stay, it is part of our heritage and is also a way of life for many.
Europe should talk about being inhumane. Are there countries within the EU who are guilty of genocide in recent history? Do the Germans remember about what they did to the Jews or what the Croatians did to the Serbs in Croatia and in the Balkans. The list goes on and on.
And Europe wants to negotiate free trade with Canada so it can get at our natural resources and continue to pollute, which I might add, their eastern members are probably one of the worst culprits in the world.
newcomer
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Joel Parkes
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Peterborough, Ontario
BMM
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Disgusted with Activists
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Bob
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Bob from Victoria.
Cindy
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R NS
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As absurb as your thinking is...you have a right to it...as long as you eat no meat or no fish yourself.
Anyone who eats any meat or fish, and is against the seal hunt, is a hyproctite.
With a handle like Recce, one would think you would be less of a left wing loonie...just a thought.
Jim
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"@jt
"Reece
Are you putting a seals life before a humans."
I don't know, did a God(s) send you a fax or email that gives us humans a special right over non-verbal animals?"
Nope, just good sharp teeth to tear the flesh and opposable thumbs to hold the club.
"Jake Hyslop, UK
Thank god my MEP's have finally done this.
Shame on Canada.
Shame on Thee"
Shame yourself. Why don't you speak out against the 6,500 fur farms in the EU that slaughter millions of mink, fox, etc. every year. I'm sure they love living a life stuffed in a cage until they are slaughtered for their fur alone. Disgusting.
Shelley
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Brian from Saskatchewan
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Dave in Cornwall
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Mebbe if they looked like a 150 llb Cockroach the Europeans would actually be coming to our shores to purchase licenses and take part in the hunt!
As we are terminating the cruel and inhumane seal hunt then it is only fair that other European countries stop anything we may deem as cruel to animals,such as....
1. Foxhunting in UK...calling a dozen or so total twits on horseback and their hounds ripping a young fox to shreds in the name of "Sport" seems even worse than anything done to a seal for commercial reasons.
2.Bullfighting....Spain will have to forgo it's little entertainment slowly killing a bull in order for the kiddies to see what real men do to entertain themselves.Although Portugal does not actually kill the bull I think their version of this prolly causes the Bull intense trauma so should also be banned.
3.Foie Gras.That wonderful French delicacy that actually means "swollen liver" caused by forcing food down a gooses throat with a plunger while the goose is tied up...nothing cruel about this,is there folks? French claim the goose even enjoys it
I dare say there are many,many other things going on that could and should be listed here but will be overlooked as Canada once again puts it's tail between it's legs and shuffles off mumbling apologies to one and all....
It's not as if banning the seal hunt would cause great economic hardship in the East coast, because as has been stated it seems Canada spends far more money in defence of the hunt that it actually profits from by having the hunt continue every year
Ah! Well!
Rod (Calgary)
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I guess the ban of British Fox hunts, Spanish bulls, etc. should be next to the fluffy white seal pups that animal rights groups are after. No wait they are in Europe so that doesn't count. What a load of you know what!
I don't think anyone wins from a trade war but these EU Parlimentarians must be held accountable for their actions. No more European wines for this consumer. I hope the PM goes after these countries or the EU. The science of this is that the killing is humane and their is an over population of the seals.
J.J.
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AT in Montreal
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I don't think it's about killing the seals, it's more about HOW the kill the seal. They beat them to death with a club and a nail, sometimes not killing them , wounding them to die a slow and painful death. If it was done more humanely, maybe it would be more acceptable...maybe
Ian
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George Poole in Lunenburg
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Harv
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@jt
Yes God did give us the right over animals. We are not here to torture or kill them inhumanely. But we do have the power over animals. And that includes seals. God put animals on this earth for us humans to use. And if that means killing seals for the Inuit people to make a living, so be it. Maybe you should read your Bible. And cows for milk and chickens to BBQ as well as pork. So go eat your veggies and let us meatatarians eat our beef!
Products Made From Seals
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How will the world do without these things?
Oh, yeah. Fur is the #1 product and, of course, the reason they club the seals in the head is so that they don't damage the pelt. In most cases the seals are only rendered unconscious when they are skinned because sealers can't wait until they are dead to move on to their next victim.
Jessica
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Ted
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Martin - Edmonton
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Ian
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Matt
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Fishing is far less humane than seal hunting, so we should stop fishing too.
You claim fish are not self-aware or intelligent. I didn't realize that humane treatment was reserved for for only self aware and intelligent animals. I would think that a caring person would attempt to treat all animals capable of feeling pain in the most humane manner feasible.
As far as eating other animals, if that is what people want, why not? People already do eat many cute and cuddly animals.
Ski
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By all means, "Ban Away"!
So sorry to burst your swelled egos, but Canada is just a drop in the bucket of world trade. Please feel free to ban all things from the EU. It will be YOUR loss, not the EU's!
Jayme
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Give me a break i am tired and have been working alot.
Jeff in Halifax
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Recognise sarcasm
the world will not stop eating fish
DUH
and how do you know they are not self aware
Slavko (Kitchener, Ontario)
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If not, then what do city dwellers think the seal hunters should do?
Capture the seals nicely then take them to a chicken slaughter house stress-free, and then slice their heads off without pain?
The only way to do that is to allow seal hunters to farm their own seals with the permission of green-house-gas-produced-polyester-wearing, vegetarian eating, inefficient city dwelling, bookworm educated, non-job creating, 1960s raised era “idealists”.
Let’s be economically honest here, is the European fashion house charging too much for seal skin clothing? The Europeans are notorious for meddling and ruining other country's society and inflaming hatred! The aboriginals should be allowed to take over this seal hunt trade for the European markets, if not then ban the seal-eating polar bears!
What is the source of income for these Canadians that went to Europe to ban import of Canadian seal products?
Let me tell you something about Canada's trade with Europe- its not much! Fives days of US-Canada trade on the Ambassador bridge alone is equivalent to the entire year's trade with Europe!
This passage of anti-aboriginal European law, with the advocacy of Canadians in Europe, is a shame to Canada! It's an economic strangle hold on the aboriginals! It is a direct attack on aboriginal Canadians! It is a bigoted European white-collar crime in my view, and psychiatric diagnosis! Grow up!
Slavko
Kitchener, Ontario
Pam Dugal
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Reece
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Fish are not self-aware nor intelligent. Your argument fails in a spectacuar fashion.
Let's put it this way, if you see nothing wrong with eating seals, then you shouldn't have a problem with St Bernard Stew or eating cats and monkeys. Seal hunting is Canada's shame for a good reason. You failing to understand self-aware animals means you are narrow minded. Period.
Jake Hyslop, UK
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Shame on Canada.
Shame on Thee
Karen in Ottawa
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And the government should be investing in alternative economic initiatives for the region in question, instead of wasting the money on legal fees, and the like. Come on Canada, get over it, and move forward!
GUTSHOT! in Thunder Bay
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Didnt people leave Europe because they wanted something better? Heres a chance for Canada to remain "better", and tell the EU to go pound sand.
People need to realize the importance of hunting and the cirlce of life that nature has provided. Thats kinda hard to do from your office chair in Toronto though. Some of us skin, gut ,and eat moose, while others just cry about hunting because they dont know any better.
Claudia
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Andy
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First:
So you have been up to the arctic etc... Notice the spelling of ARCTIC. And judging by the rest of your spelling, I hope you were not up there teaching english.
Second: No one is stopping the Inuit from practicing their culture and life style. The ban is aimed at commercial sealing, which a lot of it is in the St-Lawrence gulf not in the arctic.
So don't worry, Inuits will not have to pay 15 dollars for hamburgers. If they want beer with their seal meat, however, it will cost them considerably more than us.
ignorance at its best
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faroe islands denmark dolphin whale slaughter..
Denmark is a apart of the EU
Peter
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Inkmont
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TLC
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I'm no fan of seal hunting, but I've learned a lot reading these comments. However, if you feel strongly that this is the wrong decision (and I'm totally undecided), then band together and stop buying EU products. The government won't push an outright ban, so if sales go down here, they will still hurt.
Now go out and buy some pork for goodness sakes, and leave all EU products on the shelf.
JPL
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Indeed. I think China contributes more to the loss of species in the world more than any other country does due to crazy ass traditional medicines and the like. Japans dolphin slaughter, Anyone care to stop that? China's insatiable need to kill every damn sea horse in the ocean, any care to stop that? Bears being killed for just the gallbladder because of 'traditional' medicines, who's going to stop that? The seal hunt is the least atrocious and least environment affecting than all these other things and the animals don't need to be poached.
Jason B
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Sebastien
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JPL
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I didn't realize that the seals have been dragging this out in court for so long. Why is it justice if nothing illegal has been done? So many people are so very, very ignorant about the Canadian seal hunt.
Jeff in Halifax
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To the people in the world that eat fish "STOP NOW"
the fish are netted or a metal hook is jabbed into their face and the poor things are then dragged into the air and they suffocate
Now the seals need them for food or they will over populate and die off due to lack of food (fish) to eat
STOP FISHING ITS INHUMANE
Jayme
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I have been up to the artic including nwt/yukon and alaska.There wasy of life is to eat of the land.Yes people don't like it i have even talked to some that don't under stand it.Some say who not go toa grocery store and buy something.What is imprtant to keep in mind is food is not cheap up there to buy and those who want to can't affoed it.Here is a exzample a package of 4 hambugers in ontario is around $5 up north its doube in some cases triple.
JPL
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R%eece
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"Reece
Are you putting a seals life before a humans."
I don't know, did a God(s) send you a fax or email that gives us humans a special right over non-verbal animals?
Andy
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Once and for all:
Animal populations are self controlled by the abundance or lack of food, naturally occuring deseases, weather, habitat so on and so forth.
But that is the job of Mother Nature, not Canadians.
Tenderizing the issue!
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Exactly, like the Japanese made Saturday morning cartoons!
The seal is a smaller out of country target. For the bigger stuff out there, rest assured Beef is one of them but last on the agenda, they tried to target beef before the seals but it backfired.
Seal is MEAT, that eats fish MEAT, go figure!
jt
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Are you putting a seals life before a humans.
Andy
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Bruce
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Don't they know that polar bears eat seals?
I think that the Environ-MENTAL-sits should stand between the polar bears and the seals.
And the seal hunt should be expanded to include the west coast too.
Reece
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Jayme
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While yes it may not be nice and they may suffer more then they shoud.But if this was not done they would starve to death.They eat the fish and if it was not for this hunt there is no way there would be enough fish not even close.So sure maybe we would not have this hunt and people would say ya we saved them.But in fact that is very far for the truth they would die and we would have millions of dead seals on our shores etc.
Ken
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Dave in Ottawa
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Joanna
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Find another way of making a living-become mercenaries--that's about the same level of justice.
Manitoba Girl - Pro Hunter
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AndyL
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Here is a new slogan for Canada "Where two wrong make a right"
I hope global warming speeds up, the human race is just too stupid to survive.
Tony
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Fellow Canadians, European culture is great but don't mix it in your personal angst by throwing it in our faces!
PB in MTL
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I'm a vegetarian and have been pretty sickened by some of the gratuitous footage I've seen. On the other hand, people raise good points about the double standard with bullfighting and factory farming. These are all equally deplorable.
And if there is one animal that really needs our help from terrible abuse and decimation, it is the SHARK! Is that on any international agendas???
Brian Lord
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Angus
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I dread to think what will happen if the seal hunt gets shut down.
I known the inshore fishery is in a bad way now but...
Reece
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That would be ILLEGAL. We can't retaliate against a lawful ban from the EU. If you are so pro-seal-meat, the only way you can be effective is to buy a can of seal pups. Maybe get your wife a seal pup jacket etc etc.
The reason why Harper failed is because he failed to anticipate the anti-seal lobby...he got pawned and that's the end of that story.
BTW, it'll be illegal to export such disgusting products...if you are caught you will face prison terms.
Allan Eizinas
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The total exports of seal related product to the EU is about $5 million. It will cost more than that to challenge and/or appeal a decision (550 to 49) which will not change.
Meanwhile, that ban will greatly increase the worth of the seal pelt on the open market and result in increased incomes for the harvesters.
Thank you E.U.!
neocon_nemisis
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It's about time the civilized world recognized the brutality and insanity of this hunt.
Yes, Fox hunting and Bull fighting should be banned as well.
Or, maybe we should accept these practices as "normal" and while were at it, bring back slavery and deny women the vote! After all, they were deemed not human enough.
Seals are not humans, but as sentient beings they deserve to be free from cruelty.
The fishing industry is in crisis b/c of overfishing, and mismanagement, not the seals.
Kumar
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Mitchell Greig
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George
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So let's put things in perspective when we waggle our disapproving fingers at Canadian Sealing.
VIctoria
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Jim
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I am sure that the EU members are all vegans, don't wear or use leather or hide related products. If you believe that I have some prime swamp, I mean real estate for sale.
Dan in Halifax
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WE'RE THE SOLE RESPONSIBLE PARTY for the decline. With our trawlers, commercial overkill. Not to mention using the ocean as our personal toilet foe eons.
Don't forget the mass slaughter of the Seals #1 predator, the shark.
Get educated people. The seals are the least of the problems our waters are facing.
Reece
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Bye bye, Sealers. It's over!
Democracy wins.
raj
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Atul
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Pat
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JB in Calgary
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It is inhumane, beating a seal to death with a club and spike. Why not find a better way to hunt them? What's wrong with a head shot with a 30 ot 6? If you get the ones in the middle of the ice pack they are not going anywhere.
Or use a handgun up close, you have to get that close anyway with a club.
I think it's funny how Canada can tell all these other country's what's right and what's wrong but when 27 country's (EU) tell Canada something's wrong, we are screaming Bloody Murder.
Grow up and change the hunting methods, or send some seal meat out West, I'd like to give it a go, that's not something you can find at Safeway here.
Stephanie in Calgary
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FIRST: There is no 'overpopulation' of seals. All organisms, except humans, maintain a population based on "CARRYING CAPACITY." This is the number of animals an ecosystem can support. The seal harvest quota is NOT based on overpopulation, but on the RECOVERY INDEX of the seals; IE: the number they can club to death and not irreparably deplete the species.
TWO: There is NO similarity between the highly regulated humane slaughter practices of domestic food animals and the clubbing of seals, whether you compare the pain imposed upon the animals, or the environmental effects of their deaths upon the ecosystem.
THREE: Harp seals had NOTHING to do with the destruction of Grand Bank Cod stocks. NOTHING. The fisheries destroyed the cod by killing more fish than could be replaced through reproduction. The cod fishery is ruined, thanks to people who didn't give a rat's ass about the cod's ability to restore their population back to the carrying capacity.
FOUR: Ironically, since there are now no cod, there is an abundance of lobster, which fishermen are happily harvesting. Of course, they are now blaming seals for ruining that 'harvest,' too. Will they never learn?
FIVE: Whether you like the idea of clubbing baby seals to death or not, one MUST admit that the optics of this practice are TERRIBLE! We look like assholes!
SIX: The income generated by the (highly subsidised) baby seal fur industry is a tiny fraction of the income Canadians LOSE every year due to international boycotts of Canadian goods and services. So: End the waste-of-time-and-taxpayer's-money seal hunt, and we'll re-gain trade heretofore withheld. If we end the baby seal hunt, we can fix Canada's damaged environmental reputation. More money, more trade: ALL GOOD
brainchild
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J.C.
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Very good argument and well thought out and presented.
Ban the hunt-it is long overdo. Nature as always, will take care of itself in one way or another.
Over time, the sealers will find other resources for income in a much safer environment for them.
Becky
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natural resource Natty. ON
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There are Millions of Canadians who would Benefit from Seal-skin coats but simply cannot Afford the exhorbitant price after processing abroad. Set up processing plants in Canada that Cdns may benefit from our Resource.
Many who voted for the ban do not have to contend with Harsh Winters or out-of-control seal populations eliminating fish stocks.
Seals are a Renewable-Resource which have been well-managed as their numbers attest.
Same mistake was made with Dependency on US Plants to process Cdn Beef, and US insistance on Logs instead of Milled Boards which resulted in Saw-mills shutting down.
Set-up processing plants to turn seal skins into AFFORDABLE Coats for Canadians, and utilise the Ban as Leverage for Gains in other areas, or say Good-Bye to Fish Stocks.
Doug in PEI
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M
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This is not a hunt, it is a cull that hopefully will end now.
Nothing is used but the pelt. No one would tolerate killing cows for their coat and discarding all the meat or keeping feathers and discarding the chicken. Why is wasting all the seal but the pelt not just as repugnant?
The seals did not and now do not deplete fish stocks. Their diet is mostly crustaceans.
Bruno, I may not agree with a seal hunt either, but if you're going to represent this side of things, I would suggest that you get you read up on your facts, because what you published is incorrect. All parts of the seal are used, and seals most definitely do consume mass amounts of fish. When you give ignorant information, you actually damage your cause.
Chris from BC
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Some of the ideas here are ridiculous. Ban European cheese and wine? Is there any killing involved in producing cheese and wine? Really, people.
Let's make Canada the best eco-tourism destination. We can model a different culture - one of creative communities working together on sustainable living, with respect for ALL living things - including the beauty and abundance of our magnificent land.
We just got a kick in the butt, and we sure needed it.
POPULATION CONTROL
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Although, with the ice flows disappearing maybe the seals will become endangered anyway. Then sadly problem .solved
Lorne
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I like the comment on banning European beef due to the Spanish bullfights!
As long as there's no hypocrisy
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Roger T
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Pls the EU has all the right and should ban seal hunting as it is cruel and inhumane.
Challenge now, only to have a backlash from more banning and export restrictions later.
Hope our Gov't will THINK and actually use their heads before making any hasty decisions during economic uncertain times.
Think but not with hollow minds.
perek
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Jenna
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Keith in Brampton
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You're right; ignorance most certainly abounds. Your comment is proof.
Seals are NOT skinned alive - though there are probably more than a few sealers mad enough over your comments to pick YOU as that "something else"...
Ray Luft
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Rick in NB
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Your comment on our humane domestic slaughter is correct. But have you seen the way these animals are treated while alive on factory farms. Especially poultry.
If you believe one senseless slaughter is the same as many. Than just watch a Calgary Stampede chuckwagon race. You can't deny that horses suffer and die needlessly for our entertainment. It is easy to point fingers, but make sure your house is clean before you pass judgement.
Vanessa
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The seals are not skinned alive, ignorance does abound in Canada. Learn a little more.
Canadiana
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Al
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Alex (Toronto)
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That said, no other country is required to buy Canadian furs. The solution is not to boycott Europe but to buy sealskin products.
Think about it.....
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Each seal cosumes roughly 30lbs of shellfish and fish a day...or week. If we let the seal poppulation continue to grow without controlling then the lobster/crab/fish stocks will be completed depleted.
Shannon
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... "the seals are polluting the oceans.." did you actually say that. Take a moment and think before you spew out nonsense. Yup, the 5.6 million seals are polluting the waters... what about the 6.6 billions humans who have ruined this planet... What school of science did you go to? How exactly are the seals polluting our oceans. Go ahead... I want to hear this...
Pete M in Toronto
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I don't know if "baby" seals are skinned alive or if that is better, worse or the same as bleeding a chicken to death.
Regardless, we as Canadian should not expect the governement to fix this, any more than the EU should have banned the import of seal products.
If there is a market for seal products, and clearly there is as the EU feels it needs to ban it, then what are those people going to do that previosuly purchased seal products?
I say bring the Canadian Navy back from Somalia and the West Edmonton Mall and start patrolling our already Internatioanlly agreed waters and protect the fisheries that are thriving. Drive the price of legally caught fish up and start confiscating Portugese fishing boats and give them to the Navy to refurbish and provide to the East Coast Fishermen.
Forget asking the governemtnto ban EU products, do it yourself. Pick a product that we can live without or even better yet, has a Canadian provider and stop buying the EU version. Create the boycott yourself. That is how you get a Government to "see" what the citizens want.
I am neither for nor against the seal hunt, I do not know nearly enough. It seems to me that it's been going on for centuries but suddenly it's a problem!
N.
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Concerned Canadian
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Best post so far on this thread. Intelligent, rational discussion.
One distinction between the seal hunt and raising animals for food is that the ones we raise are not part of the natural ecosystem, so when we kill them, it doesn't disrupt natural cycles.
Both tend to be cruel, however, and opposing seal hunting as being cruel is hypocritical. If the Europeans would stop eating meat products, I'd see more sense in their ban.
On the other hand, killing thousands of wild animals, seals or otherwise, is as stupid as dumpiing oil in the ocean or CO2 into the air. Those who say that there are too many seals for th ecosystem need to take some courses on ecology: the ecosystem can take care of itself, thank you very much. It has done for millions of years before humans began destroying it.
The real reason for the seal hunt is that seals do compete with us for fish. And that's why Retired Soldier got it right. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live in balance with nature, not decimate any part of it we please just for economic gain.
Let's hope it's sooner rather than later.In the meantime, leave the seals alone and learn to live on fewer fish. Let the ecosystem return to the balance it had before we began fishing out the stocks.
Remember Cabot talking about being able to dip a basket in the ocean and bringing up fish? It could return to that, if we'd just leave it alone for a few decades.
Bob H fr Petawawa
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Jim
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"Finally. It's time Canada entered the 21st century and I'm glad the EU did this. The hunt is wrong"
I'm tired of the uninformed comments on this. Do you know why the EU wants the seal hunt banned? To boost the use of furs from their own fur farms.
A quick bit of research on google will show you that there are 6,500 fur farms in the EU producing $4,525 million US$ in sales back in 2002-03. Why isn't the EU doing something about that? that is millions upon millions of mink, fox, raccoons, chinchillas, etc that are being bread and slaughtered every year.
The EU is a bunch of hypocrites and have just lost my vacation dollars for next summer and on.
And for all of you asying "good on the EU", get some education.
Steve in PEI
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Newfoundland should do everything in its power to derail the Canada-EU free trade agreement. And Canada should enact a retaliatory ban on some European product.
Although, interestingly enough, the expanded EU includes a lot of former Communist countries which are more conservative and possibly less susceptible to this kind of nonsense. It's possible that with some creative politicking we could kill the bill in one or more European legislatures and prevent the ban from ever being enacted.
Dave in Courtenay
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Robert Brise
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Now what is it that we import from the European Community?
Lets stop importing goods up to the total of what the seal ban will cost Canada!!
Anne
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TD
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Doug Ontario
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Does this mean that Canada must ask these gutless hypocrates how many seals we can kill at a time? Starting today I am looking for a Canadian, or other, substitute for the glass of French wine I regularly enjoyed; past tense.
Stephanie in Calgary
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We have some of the most humane slaughter practices in the world when it comes to our food livestock, but the world only sees the damned seal hunt. Animals for slaughter are stunned prior to being bled out. They die painlessly, never knowing what hit them. In most slaughterhouses, they never even see the captive bolt gun, or the electric stunner before it's "lights out." But, when it comes to killing seal pups, the world sees a bunch of buffoons beating baby seals on the head, again and again... all in front of the international media.
It's high time we stopped this idiotic practice, and focused instead on eco-tourism and other sustainable industries in Newfoundland and Labrador. Many more people, world-wide, want those services than the few, vain turds who wear furs. Until the seal hunt is abolished altogether, we can't get the eco-tourism industry, and others, started.
Also, consider the general trade and tourism Canada loses because of the powerful "boycott Canadian goods" campaign in Europe and the US, designed to pressure the twats in Ottawa to banish the hunt. W5 estimated the cost to Canadians as being in the billions of dollars, versus the tiny trade in fur seals. It's simple math, people! MILLIONS of dollars in tourism and trade, or TENS OF THOUSANDS for an arcane hunt with profoundly poor world-wide optics.
Jonathan Wilson
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Cd
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Seal hunting is primarily an off-season activity conducted by fishermen from the East Coast. They earn a small fraction of their income from selling seal pelts to European fashion markets while the majority of their income is from working in the commercial fisheries.
The Canadian government may challenge the European ban on seal products at the
World Trade Organization so now is the time to tell Prime Minster Stephen Harper to put a permanent end to this needless, shameful annual massacre!
Richard from NL (no, the other NL)
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The EU is not even limiting the cull - that's up to the Canadian government. All they are saying is that they will not allow seal(-derived) products in the EU. They'll allow them to pass through to e.g. the Asian markets, but won't allow them to be sold.
This does not affect in any way the 'sovereignty' of Canada.
To those who plead the Canadian government to step in (don't worry, they will look for the WTO appeals), for the sake of those communities, I hope you will all start buying the fur coats, oils, meats and so forth in order to sustain the seal culling industry; otherwise you're merely admitting that you practically -depend- on the EU to sustain it.. and -that- does - in twisted ways - affect Canadian sovereignty.
Aanch
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I am very happy :)
MuskyBuck
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How I marvel at it's ability to sometimes right the wrongs in this world.
Thank you European Union, as a disgusted Canadian, I've long wished for this horrible practice to end.
Terry in Ottawa
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Mike from Regina
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Ox
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You people don't get it, the population needs to be controlled, it's larger than ever and growing faster than ever thanks to our conservation efforts.
Lorne
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The Seal hunt is just one of the many sustainable industries that kills and sells animals and animal by-products. They SHOULD NOT be singled out and unjustly persecuted.
It has been proven time and again that in recent years the seal hunt is not inhumane. There are millions of seals out there for a sustainable hunt. Seal products are used worldwide including seal oil caplets which have a multitude of health benefits.
Canada MUST defend the seal hunt and protect this undustry. We should not be bullied into submission based on ill-advised and misinformed EU legislation based on animal welfare propoganda.
Mr. Harper, DO YOUR JOB and protect this industry and the livelihood of the people in it!
Motz.
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d.young
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Mykey, The Lakehead
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pete
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Laura
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Please dont use the excuse that seals are 'over-fishing' and 'polluting' the oceans. The main culprit by far are us.
Are seal now humans just like us?
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“The bill, which passed with 550 votes in favour to 49 against, calls commercial seal hunting "inherently inhumane."
Now people that is very weird I never thought seal to be human ??? Next time the European Union, do invite them to the table, be shure to bring many many tons of our fish stock for dinner. Sick !!!
Gilles
Thomas
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Best regards from Europe.
Scott
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Matt
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I agree, it is repugnant to harvest animals for their pelts and waste the remainder.
Fortunately such behaviour is illegal for hunters in many areas (specifically Ontario as I'm more familiar with our laws).
In the case of the seal hunt the meat is processed and eaten, not wasted.
I find it upsetting that so many people oppose the seal hunt based in a lack of understanding.
I think killing animals for food is acceptable, most people do agree.
It really seems to me that the argument against the seal hunt is simply that they are cute.
brainchild
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Retired Soldier in Kingston
finally some intelligent posts on this thread..I can't believe the stupidity of some of the posts here...blaming the seal for shortage of fish...really?...soon we'll blame the apes for a shortage of bananas.
George/Alberta
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doc morrison
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Doc
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Tom
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Trent
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Karen
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Ian- AB
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Dustin from TO
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Classic case of a Hummer owner with bumper stickers that say "Save the Environment".
Johanne, Ottawa
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Canada should reply in kind to this ban, and also pull out of the current "Free Trade" negotiations with the EU.
I support the NL seal hunt, but object to those who are blaming seals for loss of fishstock - history records that when the first fishers came to NL waters, cod and seals were incredibly abundant - overfishing, and not seals, is responsible for the fishery collapse.
Derek From Ontario
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Bruno Marcocchio
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Nothing is used but the pelt. Noone would tolerate killing cows for their coat and discarding all the meat or keeping feathers and discarding the chicken. Why is wasting all the seal but the pelt not just as repugnant?
The seals did not and now do not deplete fish stocks. Their diet is mostly crustaceans.
The real problem, rapacious and destructive fishing practices continue unchallenged despite everyone knowing that draggers destroy fish stocks and habitat.
Save a seal, skin a dragger!
Ron from NL
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Dunny from Manotick
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"Because they are cute." is hardly a good reason to ruin someones livelyhood and further endanger our east coast fishery. The EU politicians that voted for this ban are nothing more than hypocrites in Guicci shoes.
John In Edmonton
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Now, when did we get to the stage that a food product has more rights than the harvester? Whatever will we do when the vegetable and fruit rights people get going. Wheat rights " farmers terrorizing hay fields? Headline news---Man arrested for cutting grass.
Now this is just getting stupid. Comments?
Brian from TO
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flyoften
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All the pro-sealing comments, particularily the ones implying that animal populations will spiral out of control without human harvesting. Hmmmm, seems like nature has found a balance more often than not without human intervention. Only when humans exploit nature (Cod overfishing) or destroy environments (bottom trawling) is there a lack of balance.
To echo the more rational voices;
Finally, some justice.
Nancy:Liberal Party supports the Kill more vocally
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The Liberals have been very vocal on this. The conservatives seem to not have their heart in it Like the Liberals do.
Sid
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The ONLY people who can speak against the seal hunt are those who use NO animal products at all. If you're not vegan, then don't say a word. Anyone who eats meat and complains about seal hunts is nothing but an uneducated hypocrite.
Dean
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Eric Gisin, BC
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We can easily retaliate with a ban on some animal that show europe's hypocracy.
Jack in Calgary
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So for those opposed then I suggest you write a cheque today for $2100 and send it personally to some one that just lost a portion of their income and oh by the way keep their address for they will be expecting your cheque next year with a cost of living increase.
Matt
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It's troubling to me that there are so many misinformed activists, and they're having so much success despite the lack of evidence to their position.
This decision has a few problems.
1. It's inconsistent that the same activity is inhumane for one ethnic group, but somehow acceptable for a different ethnic group.
2. The "evidence" for the inhumane aspect are old, or show illegal hunting. It is misleading/fraudulent to present illegal activity is representative of the current legal behaviour.
3. There is an overpopulation of seals for a number of reasons. Rather than have people profit and use the harvested animals, they are proposing we pay to kill and dispose of the animals. The seals will still be killed, it will just be expensive and wasteful. Or they will be unhealthy and die due to overpopulation.
Quite simply this is 1. Racist, 2. Emotion and based on misrepresentation 3. Harmful to the seals, expensive and wasteful.
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Baby seals are so darn cute and cuddly. (I wish our family had one as a pet.) Cows, pigs, and chickens on the other hand are ugly and, therefore, their slaughter doesn't phase me. It's a beautiful world, and beautiful things need protection and recognition.
It's just like people... The ugly ones get teased in school, develop complexes and then, with lower self-esteem, often get a lesser job and marry another ugly person. It's bad for the superficial beauty of the planet.
The European Union is simply applying this principle to the unjust plight of baby seals. Don't be angry with them. They're merely trying to beautify the world. Canadians should be ashamed of their conflicting participation.
END NOTE: Geez, I just looked again at the picture I have on my desk of a baby seal. Man, those eyes are so cute.
Roadrobber
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NS girl married to a NL'der
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Let's get even
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Peter in Kingsburg
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I have had seal meat and it is quite good. No it does not taste like chicken or frogs'legs. It is different. Some would like it and others would not. I don't really care for sole or basa but I bet there are many that do. So why don't we use the seals domestically, put them on the dinner plate right along side the buffalo, tuna, moose, venison, quail,lobster and yes of course the beef. Certainly our celebrated chefs could concoct some special recipes?
John Barrie
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"Why dosn't the media go around this country and Europe and do a report of the farms throughout. I bet you will find more cows living in there dung and unhealthy from diseases...."
First, most beef cattle are raised outdoors and a diseased animal would never be accepted at the slaughter houses. Cattlemen don't benefit from unhealthy animals.
Second, dairy farming is a very lucrative operation and the animals are looked after very well. Animals are definitely not diseased - if they were, you wouldn't be drinking milk.
Just remember one thing when you are criticizing the farmers - if you ate today, you can thank a farmer.
Mike
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It’s time for the government to get some “BALLS”
Capt Jack
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BC Boy
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George in Calgary
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Erin in Kingston
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APRKR
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This ban is a sad example of how bleeding hearts can skew a decision from rational to misguided. All this ban does is hurt the fishermen trying to make a living. The seal herd needs to be culled for the sake of other fisheries. Now they will be hunted with fewer buyers to put the seal to good use and will no doubt lower the prices in general.
With a decline in seal hunt numbers its only a matter of time before fish stocks suffer and the fisherman in these areas see harder economic times.
So lets all starve the fishermen while the gluttonous seals eat only the stomach and other select organs from cod and other fish just to let the carcass sink to the seafloor.
Sass
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harp seal population is out of control.
harvesting whitecoats and bluebacks HAS been illegal since 1987 !!!
veterinary experts conclude seals are harvested in humane manner.
this "ban on seal" has nothing to do with the welfare of the seal.
CD
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Justa Fella in ON
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TylerDurdin
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Ted
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Sue Davis
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Ed in Ontario
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Ray
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A Fellow Reader
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Yvon
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Jenna in Ottawa
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NC
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Dave from NB - A have not and never will Province
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cam w
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Bess
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I honestly think its because seals are cuter than cows, besides anything killed on the white snow is going to look really bad!
Not that I'm a fan of the hunt.
RVH
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michaela from Montreal
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Retired Soldier in Kingston, ON
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The over-fishing of cod stocks by Maritimers and foreigners over the past 250 years and especially, in the last 40, have served as a motivating factor by Regional & Federal politicians for the politically driven policy of
"harvesting" seals in the 21st century to lower the predation on cod stocks.
Sealing, like hunting, which provided Newfoundlanders with alternate sources of income, is now widely seen to be a poor policy among the global community. The method of killing seal pups is also abhorrent; a metal hook is slammed into the skull of baby seals, and in some instances, film documentaries have witnessed pups being skinned alive!
Hardly the type of activity which endears sealers to the global citizenry! (Or to seals for that matter!)
In an age where synthetic fabrics and materials are widely available to the
global consumer, trendy shoppers do not need animal skins swathing their feet!
As someone who has lived extensively in the Maritimes, I have seen first hand the devastation caused by poorly thought out policies from governments, driven by "knee-jerk" reactions to crisis
management and the need to get re-elected!
A better policy then allowing sealing would be to ensure that the cod stocks are replenished by rehabilitating the devastated ocean floor on the Grand Banks, harsh prosecution of illegal fishing of Northern Cod by foreign fishing fleets and an end to supporting out-dated industries and activities in Canada by Regional and Federal Governments.
Perhaps this way, mankind can atone for decades of exploiting and devastating the oceans of various types of fish and mammals, while also treating the Oceans as a public sewer for the bulk of mankind located on its coasts!
Pro Patria!
Rogerottawa
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Blaming overfishing on anything but humans is the epitome of stupidity. Canadians will believe anything that spews out of the seal hunting propaganda machine. Pathetic!
Vanessa
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Roger T
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Is our Gov't gonna start banning imports while the economy struggles, can our country afford to pick fights now that we are in this situation. You sow what you reap while the good times were high.
Now what.....beg on the world stage or start bashing and start repairing relations with the more advance economies.
Chris from NS
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This hunt is one of the best hunts in the world, as all parts of a seal are used in some way. THere is no waste!
I love how these crazy greenpeace activists protest against this hunt, but they have no problem with the way chickens, cows, pigs etc are slaughtered...
Unbelievable.
I hope the government stands up and bans European products in retaliation.
Jay
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Goldens
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John Wilson
Bridgetown NS
John
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Warren
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Finally!
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Yay!
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James T.
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I call for a full and immediate ban on all european wine and cheese.
And the next time they decide to have a war among themselves, I vote we stay home!!!
Joan
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Ross Boone
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spencer
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Thinking outside the box....why not set up seal farms???? There is a market for the hides, what about the meat ???? And for the ads.....let's have Paul McCartney enjoying his first SEALBURGER!!!!!
Dave from NB - A have not and never will Province
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Good thread
Margaret - What Justice
This is a dark time not only for Canada and the people around the world who depend on the harvest for a living. I think seals are cute and cuddly too but like any species that goes unchecked, the population will explode. Seals eat fish and lots of them. We claim that the fish stocks are very low and we have reverted to fish farming that polutes the waters surrounding the fish weirs but there is very little outcry about that. It is unfortunate also that some people have chosen to humanize seals much in the same way as they do their family pet. Animals are just that and to make them anything else in just wrong. If you follow that logic, we should ban hunting altogether and each car can have a deer on it and our roads will be covered with rabbits, racoons, porcupines and whatever decides to cross the road.What a tragedy
Steve in Ottawa
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How very European, that wonderful continent home of two world wars, demonstrating decorum to New World peons.
Ryan
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shawn
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Second, historically it was European appetite for seal fur that created the dependency of Inuit on larger scale seal hunting.
So it's a bit two-faced to now simply say 'no more' and not offer any compensation or help to gain other employment.
Ontario Taxpayer
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Robert
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The seals are polluting the waters because of over population. These same seals are eating millions of tons of fish yearly, ruining the fish stocks.
I agree with Matt. Canada should have a watch dog in Europe and we would find there is a lot more cruelty on some of their farms than what is happening with the seal hunt.
Shame on Canadian government for not taking action and show the Europeans they will not rule the world with nonsense.
Scott
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Nic
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On top of that--and it's been mentioned before--what about the way paté de foie gras is made in France or how bulls are killed for entertainment purposes in Spain? Is that humane?
Dd
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Perhaps, Margaret, you should go visit your local slaughterhouse. Go paint their floors white and see what they look like after the chickens (who are younger than the seals killed) are strung upsidedown on a conveyor and their throats slashed. You think it's humane to let a chicken move along that conveyor while it bleeds to death????
Meanwhile, the EU has no problem with the bull fights or Foie Gras or the culling of marmots in Germany.
In the end, this will NOT end the seal hunt because the explosion in the seal population means the animals will be culled. The only difference now is that the animals will die for no reason. Way to go, EU.
If people were really concerned about the plight of the northern seal population, they wouldn't be worried about the few taken by hunters...but about the millions that will drown because of climate change.
Crystal
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Jackie Barrett
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Secondly, Canada should impose a ban on all products from European Union member nations, including automobiles from Italy (FIAT), Germany (Daimler, Volkwagen), and Sweden (Volvo, SAAB), until they have the guts to remove the ban and stop giving into ill informed activitsts like Paul McCartney.
Thirdly, all politicians from the European Union should be banned from Canada as punishment for banning seal products without knowing the facts.
In the meantime, sealers should look for new markets including China, Japan, United States, India, and other emerging markets.
Hippocrazy
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Just LOOK at those big eyes!
So basically if we set up factories, trapped and herded the seals into production lines and killed them, that would be fine with the EU?
Rob P
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And Matt From Ontario, I couldnt Agree with you more!
This Newfoundlander is feeling quite sad at this news.
Meagan from London ON
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Relieved in NS
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Chris in Kingston
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All you wannabe Greenpeace activists: Don't worry about the 5.6 million other Harp seals that will not be killed this year, and thats only if they make the quota of 280,000. You'll also be happy to note that instead of a large club that kills the seal instantly with little to no pain, we can just move to something more humane.... oh, I can't think of anything more humane.
dan in toronto
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Toby
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Let's just live trap the overpopulated seals and deliver them to the shores of the EU.
Brian froom NL
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Rob
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This is unlikely, since the Federal Goverment, long before MR Harper, but still, does very little to support NL rights.
These people have been taken advantage of years, broken promises since joining confederation, promises of a railway, more broken promises with the oil, lies and no support to ban forgien trawlers from overfishing, for a bad Hydro deal with Quebec, now little support for the seal fishery.
Shameful, they are being abused more than any other place in Canada for their resources.
Matt from Ontario
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Why dosn't the media go around this country and Europe and do a report of the farms throughout. I bet you will find more cows living in there dung and unhealthy from diseases....
Just think about it
Brandi
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Margaret
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