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Canada blames Taliban for Afghan children blast
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Date: Mon. Mar. 2 2009 10:55 PM ET
The Canadian military is blaming the Taliban for an explosion last week which killed three Afghan children and stoked anti-Canadian fury among war-weary locals.
The bomb blast, which also injured a fourth child, was caused by munitions planted by the Taliban and not by explosives belonging to Canada, said Brig.-Gen. Jon Vance Monday.
Vance, the new commander of Canadian troops in Afghanistan, said analysis of shrapnel suggests the bomb was old and may have been leftover from the Soviet occupation of the 1980s.
The Taliban have been known to refashion old Soviet bombs into newer, deadlier IEDs.
"The burden of proof and experience in this part of the province places the likelihood of harming people with explosives squarely on the shoulders of the insurgency, not on the shoulders of Canadians," Vance said Monday.
After the Feb. 23 incident, which occurred in the village of Salehan about 15 kilometres west of Kandahar city, the Canadian Forces National Investigation Service and the Afghan National Police launched an investigation.
"Detailed tests were done. A site survey was done and eyewitness statements were taken," said Vance, adding that the children likely found the device in a field as they walked home from school.
Investigators believe the children brought the explosive back to their village, where it later detonated.
The incident sparked outrage among villagers, who said the blast was caused by an unexploded shell left behind by Canadian troops conducting target practice in the area. Other villagers accused the Canadians of firing rockets.
Villagers held a protest not long after the incident. They collected the bodies of the first two children killed, loaded them into a motorcycle sidecar and took them into downtown Kandahar to show the remains to reporters. The third child died later in hospital.
At the time, the Canadian military confirmed that its troops were carrying out artillery testing in the region. However, it said there are strict protocols for ensuring no explosives are left behind after such operations.
Vance said that the military will close the artillery range near Salehan out of respect for the victims' parents.
"We'll find another place to do our range work," he said.
Residents of Salehan are growing weary of ongoing armed conflict in the region. The village has a separate community for locals who have been maimed or handicapped, and many villagers have grown tired of the endless of incoming artillery rounds and the sound of small-arms fire.
The constant din is largely from Canadian troops conducting training and show-of-force exercises outside the village.
These operations often leave behind scrap metal, and collecting it for recycling can be a lucrative, though dangerous, endeavour for locals. The country is one of the most heavily mined areas in the world and is strewn with unexploded ordnance after decades of war.
In 2008, more than 82,000 anti-personnel mines and 900 anti-tank mines were cleared in Afghanistan, many of which were left behind in the 1980s, when the Soviets occupied the country, the United Nations says.
The international community has set 2013 as the date for the country to be mine-free, however the UN says the effort requires more funding.
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No empty gesture yellow ribbon on my bumper
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Support the troops...bring em home.
Army of one
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But these same posters don't seem to care one bit about these three kids who died!
Double standard?you bet.
Tono
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Old Sapper In Barrie
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Try and be a little original, Lost Cause.
To suggest that the Support The Troops program is a Canadian military psyops/propaganda operation directed at the Canadian press and general public is ludicrous.
A morale support program, truly.
Husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, dependent children, other serving & retired CF members and the Canadian public at large sending messages of support, reading material, cases of Crystal Light & Kraft Dinner or whatever does not constitute a psyops/propaganda campaign directed against the Canadian public and press.
Obviously you don't know the meaning of morale.
By the way, you omitted one critical word vis-a-vis Prime Minister Harper's comment; I quote from the the CTV article title below: NATO can't beat Afghan insurgents alone: Harper.
Alone.
When the Afghan security apparatus is trained to a sufficiently professional standard and the citizens of Afghanistan recognize that the central and provincial governments actually care about the population then the insurgency will be won.
Please try to be a little more original in your next response instead of imitating me.
JP
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I am amazed-
Our Senior officer in the militray and our politicans are sound more and more Americans-
This WE NEVER DO WRONG attitude has to change- Canadians and Canada has to take responsabilty for there actions and stop pulling a PASS THE BUCK thing .
barry
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reagan simply repayed the soviets(recall north vietnam shooting down u.s.craft with russian antiaicraft missiles/guns)by shipping the rebels old red eye surface to air missiles
TD in TO
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Geoff
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It looks like we are not only taking a beating from the afgan soldiers but now they are out-doing us in propaganda.
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Well first of all, we're there at the invitation of the UN so it's hardly a Vietnam style invasion. Second, they aren't "Afghan soldiers" killing Canadians. They're uneducated outcast thugs.
jay
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I called this right away.
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Wally from Montreal
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Richard L. Provencher
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Kevin in Vancouver
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If they want to live in peace and respect all human rights they will have to learn to fight for them. Until then I say leave them to the taliban, war lords, drug lords and Mullahs.
It is far cheaper and with no loss of Canadian life to just go in there every few months and blow up terrorist camps, bomb factories and labs.
GOOD TIMES
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We should leave their country and then they will miss our men who tryed to help them.I hope this doesn't turn into another Sommlia remember what happen to the Aericans there, when the public turned on them they lose a Few dozen soldiers.
Rick in Calgary
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JJ
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Shame me twice
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Peter inEdmonton
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"Taliban, even if Stephen Harper himself yesterday declared that we are never going to win against this insurgency."
No. He didn't. Maybe if you started listening and reading properly instead of being so sure you know what's going on (when you know you don't) then there might be room for sincere debate. But there is no debate with someone who regards all information as propaganda when it suits them but treats dot-org anti-war misinformation as though it were golden.
Truth is we're ALL "anti-war" it's just that there are those of us who understand why it is necessary sometimes and those who *refuse* to understand buecause they refuse to understand the world (or because Harper is PM instead of one of the 5 liberals leaders who also backed the mission).
keith
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Sometimes it's better to hang on and deal with the scratches rather than deal with the bites.
Zorro
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Dave NS
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"I have no rounds, empty casings, or other ordinance in my possession, sir."
Doing a range sweep after you're done a shoot to account for every casing.
And in Afghanistan of all places? It's six months of training in Manitoba or Texas before they even get out there. Trust them, because really? They didn't leave the damn thing lying around.
Zhimmy
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Afghans chant slogans in Kandahar City
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As for getting out of there, PM said on CNN that we are out in 2010.
No matter how you slice it, Taliban mentality do not believe in liberty do not believe in children going to school and learn, do no believe in women living a life without fear of being raped, victimized, beaten.
Taliban are in my 2 cent worth over the top, everything they stand for is irrelevant, outdated much of bunch of dinosaurs.
Lost Cause
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In my books, it's called disingenuous squelching and obnoxious derailing of rational discussion of the issues!
Calling open critical discussion of the Afghanistan mission "aiding and abetting the enemy" is just one of several similar tactics conducted by the war support community in the last several years in an attempt to influence Canadian public opinion back home in Canada.
The war support community knows know that the Canadian press will jump on this type of story like starving dogs on a bone, and the war support community will use any and all of these tactics in subsequent discussions that might have the side effect of people starting to wonder whether it's a good idea for Canada to be involved in this situation.
The Canadian Forces is running a counter insurgency operation against the Taliban and it's being done in the heart of the Taliban homeland. How effective that operation is, who knows, we've been there 7 years and things don't appear to be getting better. In some ways they appear to be getting considerably worse.
The war support community thinks the Taliban fear the Canadian forces enough that sooner or later they can rid Afghanistan of the Taliban, even if Stephen Harper himself yesterday declared that we are never going to win against this insurgency.
Ted
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Donny in Edmonton
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Tori
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I knew it could not have been from the Canadian training exercise. The Canadian military does not work that way.
Thanks for telling the truth.
Lost Cause
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None of this is surprising. The point is that the Afghan people are sick of us.
Here's a telling quote:
"Quite frankly, we are not going to ever defeat the insurgency."
Anyone care to guess who said it? I'll give you a clue - his first name starts with a letter "S" and his last name starts with a letter "H".
tim
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Larry Archer.....Vancouver
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They've been murdering each other for generations and any attempt to bring them out of the dark ages or learn common sense is a wast of Canadian lives and money.
Sherry Katrina
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Old Sapper In Barrie
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In my books, it's called aiding and abetting the enemy!
This is just one of several similar operations conducted by the Taliban in the last three years to influence Canadian public opinion back home in Canada.
The Taliban know that the Canadian press will jump on this type of story like starving dogs on a bone and that the mainstream press in this country will headline any story that put the Canadian Armed Forces in a bad light.
The Canadian Forces is running the most effective counter insurgency operation against the Taliban and it's being done in the heart of the Taliban homeland.
The Taliban fear the Canadian Armed Forces and the sooner they can rid their selves of the Canadians the better chance they will have at winning this insurgency.
UBIQUE
CHAD
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Doug BC
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While I agree that the rush to judgment by a lot of the locals was unfortunate and likely demoralizing to our troops,I think it would be prudent to cut them some slack too.
I wonder how we would have reacted if those had been our children.Or if we had to live with this violence in out country.Surely they must be growing weary after so many years.And,no doubt they expected a quicker end to their problems when NATO agreed to take this UN mission.
But accidents exactly like this have been happening there for a long time.I think Canada has been at the front of the pack when it comes to cleaning up old land mines and unexploded munitions.In fact,wasn't that an issue for the late Princess Dianna??
THis is a good cause we are involved in.Whether or not you beleieve NATO can help these people,I think we ALL should support the brave men and women who are trying so hard to leave the people of Afghanistan with the same choices as wetake for granted in Canada.The choice of who governs,and the right to basic human rights.
I agree.Many of the people of Afghanistan,the media,and of course those who oppose our involvment there were to quick,even happy to blame our troops.Even so,we need to avoid gloating or feeling smug here.There is a tough road ahead.
I have confidence in the men and women who are there on our behalf.I wish them well every day,and look forward to the day they come home safely.That,regardless of how NATO resolves this issue.
GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS
Em
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Death to Canada they chant! Look at the devastation they cause to their own people!
Mark in Ottawa
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There are strict protocols in place. 10 rounds out, ten booms. If not, forty VERY nervous troops go out and look for the UXB and don't stop looking till it has been located and detonated. There is no screwing around.
Nite Owl
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Cathy
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What do those local villagers have to say about that?
The last paragraph in this article really bothers me...where is the dignity and respect for human life???
combat engineer
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Mark -Vegreville, AB
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That is probably an overly optimistic approach, but worth a try anyway.
Sandy
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MontrealPaul
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Sue: Harper exporting Human Rights to Women
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Our Prime Minister has it right, Canada will export human rights to women and the world will be a better place for it.
The kid thing is a heart breaker.
CB
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I agree with Joe........we need to be out of there.
tim
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david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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It looks like we are not only taking a beating from the afgan soldiers but now they are out-doing us in propaganda.
Sick of the news in South Ontario
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I agree all the "Death to Canada" stuff...can we expect an apology? I won't be holding my breath!
Eric
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Brooke Vaughan
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Jan from Schreiber
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Roadrobber
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Joe
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Nancy - No money in blaming the Taliban
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Just like here where the police get blamed for everything a crimminal does the police didn't do enough.
Ruth
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Don from Ottawa
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A.G.
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Without the trust of the Afghans, nothing can even begin to control this already out of control situation, and propaganda is one of the biggest tools being used against us by the Taliban.
Devin
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Dave NS
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