Louis Riel 'murdered by the Crown,' MP says

A private members bill has been introduced to recognize Louis Reil as a father of confederation and overturn the July 1885 treason conviction that saw him executed.

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History has shown that the execution of Riel was a big mistake, and John A MacDonald's mistake gave rise to Canada's first Liberal Government under Sir Wilfred Laurier as a result. Parts of Canada never forgave the Conservatives.

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Date: Tue. Nov. 17 2009 8:51 PM ET

Louis Riel's conviction for treason should be overturned, says a Manitoba MP, who adds that the hero of Metis across the Prairies should be recognized as a Father of Confederation more than 100 years after his death.

NDP MP Pat Martin has introduced a private members' bill in the House of Commons, calling for Riel's 1885 conviction to be reversed and to recognize him both as the founder of Manitoba and for his work in defence of Canada's Metis population.

"On the Prairies there's a very strong movement that wants to recognize him not only as the founder of Manitoba but one of the founders of Confederation, and he should be considered one of the Fathers of Confederation because it was he who brought Manitoba into Confederation in 1870 as our fifth province," Martin told CTV's Power Play on Monday, the 124th anniversary of Riel's death.

"So my bill is simply stating that it's overdue that we reverse the conviction of Louis Riel. Not just pardon him -- because pardon says that you're guilty of something but we're going to forgive it somehow. To reverse the conviction is to exonerate Louis Riel and state that he was never guilty of treason."

In 1869, Riel led the Red River Rebellion to assert Metis rights in what was to become Manitoba. Later that year, he was elected head of a provisional government in Red River and in 1870, helped usher Manitoba into Confederation.

While Riel was elected to the House of Commons three times, he did not take his seat in Ottawa. Instead, he left Canada, but returned to lead the Metis in the Northwest Rebellion.

The federal government convicted Riel of high treason and executed him on Nov. 16, 1885, for his role in the rebellion.

Martin has been trying for years to rehabilitate Riel's image in Canada. His latest bill to exonerate Riel, C-258, went through its first reading in January, and will likely not come up for debate until next year.

According to Martin, the Canadian government did not have the authority to charge Riel.

"These events took place outside of the realm of the Crown, and he was charged with treason as it pertains to the realm of the Crown. Any good lawyer should be able to drive a truck through a loophole like that but he didn't have a good legal defence," Martin said.

"(The government) had made up their minds early on that they were going to get rid of this nuisance agitator who was fighting for the rights of the Metis, and more and more as the history comes to the surface, we see that the government of Canada wanted Louis Riel out of the way and they worked backwards from that conclusion. Really, it's safe to say he was murdered by the Crown."

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MAL of TO
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So who do we have to apologize to this time and how big should the check be?!? Get over it Canada.

Robert Paquette
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You can't change History. What he did back then was tresaon!!! Other wise you open a whole can of worms to retry a whole bucnh of others that were considered traitors during their time

Rex
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How long will it take before we start praising Gilles Duceppe or Jacques Pariseau As true patriots? I'm sure it's only a matter of time!

Chris Davis, PhD
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LP et al:I'm not about to slag you in return, however; may I reccomend you do a little research on the matter. For instance, Louis Riel was elected to Parliament but never actually sat in the House of Commons - by his choice. His did sign in one night and take his Oath of Alliegence-that's what makes his act treason. He then left the country and lived in Montana for a while (hardly the act of an anti-American, Marie). He was convinced to lead the rebellion and returned. Documentary evidence exists to support the view that he carried out terrorist acts in the DOC and he was eventually captured but the NWMP and the Army.Case closed

Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ LP: Your rant (both parts) stands as a wondrous and lovely example of what liberalized thought and misguided compassion can do to history and historical fact. To you, it's all about "feelings" and "regrets" and "injustices" and, ultimately, "apologies." History itself, you have argued, is just a sad tale of one group depriving another of "rights." While historical facts can/must, indeed, be interpreted for the sake of history education, it all goes far beyond a simple matter of "opinion." People like you, and the socialist (NDP) politician whose efforts are the subject of this story, don't get to dictate your version of "reality," against historical consensus, in order to assuage your own apparent misplaced guilt over perceived injustices. Who one thinks is "right" doesn't comprise the bottom line.

Bobby
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He was a dirt bag then who deserved what he got. Now someone wants to make him the shuffleboard champ. What is with this????????

Andrew Mason
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This article should probably have placed more emphasis on the fact that Riel was not executed for his part in the Manitoba affair (for which he is now recognised a being a de facto father of confederation and has in fact been celebrated on Canadian stamps) but for the armed conflict that erupted in Saskatchewan some years later (the North-West Rebellion mentioned in the article). Of especial concern to the jury that convicted Riel was the kangaroo court Riel used to try and execute a Canadian citizen.

Ross in Burlington
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I am glad I live in Ontario and do not have NDP Pat Martin as my MP. There must be more important issues that need attention than trying to rewrite history and clear the name of Louis Riel. Politicians in all provinces and levels of Gov. do some stupid things, but this is nuts. How much will this cost the taxpayers in time and money. Work for the people in your riding and try to get something done for the people who voted for you.

my take on this
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PBW, it would only be funny to a conservative. Read up on Sir John A. MacDonald and find out how he felt towards Louis Riel and Metis people in particular. You won't change your mind but at least you'll be better informed.

Tom, Winnipeg
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Well, 1870-1914 is sometimes called the Age of Imperialism, where Britain, France, Germany, Russia, Italy, and even the United States were all competing to conquer more land throughout the world. Only a small number of adult males in some of the ruling nations actually had democratic powers. There were a lot of injustices in the past, but sadly this was the way the world worked. If the British did not take over the Canadian Prairies, the Americans would have done it instead. (and in retrospect I think its better that the British got the Canadian prairies, since Britain needed food and manpower resources for WWI and WWII, since the US was always slow in joining the wars to stop Germany and Hitler). The whole Riel issue is over 120 years old now. MP Pat Martin sometimes seems to dig up these non-issues in an attempt to get some attention for himself.

Merlin.....................Surrey
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Isn't NDP MP Pat Martin related to Louis Riel ?What other motivation would Pat Matin have.

Kevin Pentecost
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Everyone seems to be so fearful and angry about the possibility that the history books might be changed to reflect that Louis Riel was something other than a traitor. I hate to break it to you but the history books have already been changed. When I was first learning about this in high school fifteen years ago we were taught that Louis Riel was a freedom fighter and that he sought to free his people from oppression perpetrated by the Canadian government. History has always been written by the victor. Only now are we able to correct that mistake by doing away with all the propaganda from the past.

Jenn
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So...if this gets overturned - how much money will his descendants be suing our government for?

David in NB
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Louis Riel murdered people "in the name of the Metis". He murdered members of the North West Mounted Police. He and his band took up arms against Canada's fledgling army. And they lost. He was a traitor, and he deserved his fate. He is not deserving of this revisionism, and it's an insult to those whom he killed, or where killed in his name.

PBW
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"the conservative spin doctors are trying to justify something the conservatives did in 1885" comments My Take On This. Funny, I thought Riel's conviction and execution were something to do with the courts implementing the Law of the Land. Silly me.

LP
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Hey Mister PHD of Canadian History. History invloves facts such as dates and names. Who did what and where. One of the purposes of history keeping is that so future generations can reflect and learn from past circumstances. Obviously everyone has an opinion based on experience and political points of view. The real question is was Riel fighting for what was right. Or was the "Dominion of Canada" fighting for what was right. You want to talk history. The people of this land have either actively participated or turned a blind eye to tremendous attrocities committed on their behalf by the so called peoples representatives. Who were they representing? Certainly not the Metis, the Indians, the Chinese or wait were women recognized as people at the time? Were they aloud to vote for the people that "represented" them. I think not. Yes Riel was aloud in to parliament (to satiate the unruly Metis peasants). Do you think this allowed him to make any positive changes to the grave circumstances that his people were in? No. He was impotent and useless as a politician. Another question Mr History and the rest. Was William Wallace rightly executed? How about Rob Roy was his fate deserved? They were "criminals" in the eyes of the state. The French resistance might not be as romanticized had the Germans won world war 2. Everything is relative my freinds. One would think a history PHD would have a little more understanding of the intent and meaning behind History. This is not math it is open to inerpretation. The real question should be a moral one. Was Riel right, or were the Brittish and the French right in how they went about treating the original people of this land and their offspring.

reece
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I don't think Louis really cares about having his conviction over turned - in any case, Louis is dead. He's not thinking much about anything nowadays.

M. Cameron
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People comparing RIel to the FLQ abd BQ really don't seem to know what they are talking about.

LP
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Reviewing history is not rewriting history. Acknowledging mistakes of past is a step forward not backwards. As for the "murder of Scott" he was sent there with the specific task of doing away with Riel one way or the other. Riel and his associates were the governing body of the region at the time. The Dominion of Canada had no jurisdiction there and therefore had no legal right to come looking for him. It is a self acknowledged fact that "Canada" has brutalized, slaughtered and destroyed much of the original "Canadians". Why would you think that they would have treated the Metis any different. In fact the Metis were treated worse because they were mixed breed and often outcasts among the whites as well as the Indians. All you pampered anglo saxons (and I am one of them) need to own up to your history of wrong doings. The Germans have why not us. Lest we forget, Je me souviens. PSI am not a seperatist just a realist. French and English alike should never forget we are all visitors here. If you believe in god (and alot of you do) once at the pearly gates, ask yourself did I do as I would have others do unto me?

my take on this
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Go figure, the conservative spin doctors are trying to justify something the conservatives did in 1885. Conservatism 101, when your right, you are always right.

G. Gravelle
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Riel's name should have been cleared years ago. Although clearing his name would be a nice touch, it's kind of too late - it's not like he can enjoy his life. If his name is cleared, think of all the tax payers' money that would have to be spent on rewriting history books because they would now contain incorrect facts that would mislead our young people...

PNPbagman
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Maybe Riel murdered Scott for a political point and he died for that action. He may have believed what he did was best for his country but it is evident from his actions that the country he believed in was NOT Canada. If Martin believes he is a Father of Confederation then he'd better start nominating the murderers of Pierre LaPorte too.

daryn
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History did not record that Louis Riel held the Beardy's Okemasis first nation people at gun point if they didn't fight in that rebellion. Imagine an angry little man putting guns to the heads of your wives and children, sister, aunts, elderly mothers grandmothers ALL Threatenned by this terrorist if the men of the reserve didn't fight in his uprising.

Edmonton Jim
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Amber
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We have thousands of people living in hunger on the streets, gun battles taking over Canadian cities, soldiers never coming home from war, diseases and epidemics crippling our healthcare systems, and a welfare system that is failing our children and future at every turn. And YET our ministers are spending tax dollars on bills to turn around a century old conviction? COME ON! Get your priorities straight.

Chris Davis, PhD
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Prof. Pye Chartt: I stand suitably chastened. Heaven forbid someone interject some reality into what I mistakenly thought was a serious debate. BTW, have enjoyed you other posts for some time.

Portes
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HappyWhy don't we get the Romans, the Mongolians under Kahn and ll the other countries who have done things that are wrong in the past to start saying that they are sorry for everything their forefathers did. My point is that you cannot go on saying I am sorry everytime someone has a beef. What has happened has happened and it cannot be changed and no amount of saying I am sorry will do anything to change the history books, unless we rewrite history

Bill in BC
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Posters such as Conrad seem to think that the territories that later became Sask. were not part of Canada. Wrong. These territories WERE part of the Dominion of Canada. Like the Dr. said above, if you don't have any clues about our history, you should learn before spouting off.

John from Saskatoon
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Conrad, have you ever heard of the Crown. Riel was tried and convicted of treason by and for the Crown. The Crown controlled what is now Western Canada. Maybe you should retake your grade 4 history before making your uneducated comments about history. Though in your mind history and facts seem to be what you make them.

Prof. Pye Chartt
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@ Chris Davis, PhD in Canadian History: How dare you saunter into this forum with your basket full of FACTS and mess up this debate! Please go away. The less-informed and uninformed would like to be "free" to blather. Thank-you.

Mead
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Chris Davis - thanks for setting us straight on history.Pat Martin - go re-read your history books. You are lacking on something you should known.

Anne-Marie
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Many may not know that if not for L. Riel, the western provinces could have gone to the Americans. In 1871, Riel raised a metis offensive to repel American invaders. He was praised for his loyalty by Manitoba's lieutenant Governor. A little known fact is that Riel also refuted help from the Americans during his rebellion. Had he not done so, we may have had a very different Canada then we know today. Riel did this in defence of the country that he loved... a Country that did not love him back and discredited him in the end. Riel was an educated man who believed in a fair society for all Canadians, including the metis. Some folks should do their homework before commenting on such issues basing their opinion on a single news article.

charlie
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Another apology in the making if Martin gets his way. This is the type of grandstanding for a "cause" for whih the NDP is famous - and underscores the reason why they will never be more than a fringe party. The NDP is famous for swimming against the current and wondering why they make so little progress. Step up to the plate Jack Layton and state your position! BTW, dosn't the NDP have anything more constructive to do than pick at old historical scabs?

Tootsall
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Riel was a traitor to CANADA; the same as the separatists in Quebec are treasonous. He got what he deserved and they should get what they deserve.United we stand, divided we fall. If you don't like it, GET OUT.

happy
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Portes:I suspect it would mean a lot to any of his living descendants and to today's aboriginal/metis communities.

Wakeup
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What a waste of time and money! What a waste of time and money. This time and money could put towards helping needy kids with clothes, food or sports. But no we pay Pat Martin to talk about what happened 114 years ago. Mr. Martin give your head a shake.

Conrad
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All these posters keep calling Riel a traitor. Riel was hung in Saskatchewan before it was a part of Canada for actions that occurred outside of Canada.How does that make him a traitor? He was murdered where Canada had no legal standing. It was illegal then, that is why it is correct to say he was murdered by the crown.

Hindusan
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He might have been the father of Manitoba and I think his work in the Red river Rebellion is something to be cheered, I think Riel went a little nuts when he came back to try to lead the northwest rebellion. And as the MP mentionned the reason he should have not been charged is because of a loophole and is a loophole a good thing?

Zhimmy
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It is well documented that Riel pleaded guilty! His trial is very well recorded and is often perceived as fair in most Historians minds. To really understand why MacDonald had Riel executed you have to study Thomas McGee who was assassinated by Irish Fenians. Google it! MacDonald would have been more than happy if Riel would have slipped back across the border but he did not. He was tried and executed not only for his role in the death of Thomas Scott but because he was responsible for the death of many members of the NWMP at the time. Including a massacre at Duck Lake that killed 12 Officers of the NWMP.

Cambob
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Louis Riel should also receive an Olympic gold medal for mens figurskaing and a Giller prize for a speech he made while it was raining. He should be appointed to the senate immediately! Oh wait, he's dead. God bless the NDP. "If you can't change the present, change the past and hope to get 6 more votes."

PB_Toronto
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I suppose in 100 years from now we will rewrite history so that the FLQ is portrayed as heros to the Quebec nation and the governement as corrupt. Like most I dont mid correcting wrongs we do, its all about growth and learning. However, getting tired of groups demanding apologies and asking to rewrite history to suit them and so on and so on. Im sure desisions we make today wont stand the test of time but we do what we can with the what we have at the time. We need to move on and stop dwelling in the past.

Tom
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Maybe our Member of Parliament would care to address the killing of Thomas Scott by Louis Riel? Mr Scott was "executed" by the Provisional Govt of Riel in 1870. Was that also a murder? An execution? Or just another detail to be airbrushed out of history by Pat Martin?

Chris Davis, PhD in Canadian History
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As a historian, there are a few things that need to be cleared up:

1. Louis Riel was legally convicted of treason under the laws of the land.

2. The conviction for treason (in the North West Rebellion) had NOTHING to do with Manitoba.

3. Riel had been pardoned for the murder of Scott as part of Manitoba's entry into Confederation.

4. Riel was a Member of Parliament and therefore owed alliegence to the Crown, which he breached by leading the rebellion.

5. There is no justification in law or history to overturn his conviction.

6. The only legal (true) Metis are those who lived in the Red River Valley, while there are other mixed bloodlines the only Metis are there.

7. If someone is going to discuss historical fact, they should actually know what they are talking about.

Rob
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Things must be slow at parliament hill, if they are that slow don't be wasting tax payers money on things that happened a 100 years ago. Maybe worry about global warming and how all of these criminals are entering Canada and letting them stay here!.

allan
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Once again, this is the only type of garbage that the NDP can come up with. We pay their salaries to come up with ideas for a modern Canada, not trying to go to the aid of some dumb criminal over a hundred years ago. Martin is pathetic

Mead
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Riel murdered Thomas Scott for 'insubordination'. Riel got what he dished out to others. Riel was hanged for the murder of Thomas Scott. Riel is a criminal and I don't know why we have to rewrite history to make him a good guy. Have no doubt, Riel is a criminal, was always a criminal and was dealt with severe and just cause.

Fred - Brandon MB
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History is determined by who writes the history books. When I went to school in Montreal, I learned that Louis Riel was a rebel and a traitor. When I went to school in Winnipeg, I learned that Louis Riel was a hero, a martyr, and the founder of the Province of Manitoba. It's an East vs West issue.

Pip
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I believe that this continual effort to rewrite history to favor the present day way of thinking is absurd. Right or wrong, Riel was charged with treason after he led the rebellion; he was found guilty and was executed, all according to the prevailing mores of the day. By all means let there be a pardon. But as for reversing the sentence, that would be a lie, to be perpetuated in the parliamentary record. Facts remain facts. What else would Mr. Martin like to do - destroy the records of the trial itself? That is a slippery slope that would bring about Orwell's "memory hole" in very short order, an ambominable tool that would be easily abused by any government. It is bad enough that current history textbooks used in schools do not contain more than a thin veneer of fact backed up with supposition. This continual desire to change the past by act of parliament and public apology will not change the facts. The French army WAS defeated on the Plains of Abraham, orphans WERE shipped around the world by the British government, and Riel WAS executed after being found guilty of treason. Mr. Martin's bill is as much about political expediency as the events listed above.

JK out west
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How is Riel any different than the 18 fellas who planned to storm parliament and commit murder? Aren't those guys going to jail for thier terrorist plot?

GM
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Thomas Scott!

John from Saskatoon
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I don't think this is a racist comment but I'm sure some will think so. Why do the Metis think they have some sort of historical rights? There was no such thing as a Metis until Europeans came to Canada and specifically the Red River Valley. This is a fact that cannot be disputed. If that's the case when my Irish family married into my Scottish family in Canada we created a new people who should now be granted some sort of historical rights of some sort. Same thing, no ?

Mike
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It's good to see that Mr. Martin has such urgent matters to put fwd... Honestly, I think he has nothing better to do.

John from Saskatoon
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Reil was a traitor plain and simple. He took up arms against the Crown. Doesn't matter what your reasons that is still treason. He's also a murderer if we all remember Thomas Scott's execution. There is not a huge movement on the praries for this traitor to be pardoned. Why is it always the NDP that want to honor criminals and let them out of prison. Father of Confederation. Bah!

A forgotten man never forgets, Winnipeg
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"According to Martin, the Canadian government did not have the authority to charge Riel." Really, then who did have authority, and who has authority now? How dare the NDP grand-stand in the House of Commons, when the provincial NDP comrades have allowed Manitobans to be murdered, and Winnipeg been given successive "Murder Capital of Canada" awards, or a never ending list of "miscarriages of justice," and "Poverty Capital of Canada" Where have you been all these years, Pat Martin, what have you done for your "poverty stricken" constituency? Pat Martin would talk about lawyers, because in this province lawyers always get paid first, according to all Manitoba legislation, not the victims! So, I challenge Pat Martin, because as Henry A. Kissinger put it, " Whatever must happen ultimately should happen immediately." Bring out everything, starting with Louis Riel, up to today, Pat Martin, because as you know, Her Majesty in Right of Manitoba and Canada have alot of skeletons!!!!

Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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Portes, What kind of gilded cage do you live in? History is written and always will be written by the winners. Written in a way that makes the winners " the good guys ". At the time Manitoba had nothing to do with Canada. Canada had no right to convict Riel as he didn't break any Canadian laws. Yes as you say we should learn from the past, and this is an excellent lesson of things gone wrong. There is no apology involved, no money lost. It's just setting the record straight. Do you really have a problem with that?

Bill in BC
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Let me get this straight: Louis Riel was "murdered"? not executed for treason? Hmmm, let me wrap my brain around this.....He led an armed rebellion against the Crown....was a sworn in Member of Parliament.....and would not allow the insanity defence....and there is only 1 sentence for treason.....NOT murder. Stop trying to rewrite history.

Rene
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THe only way a country or a person can heal is to accept that choices made in the past were not productive, proper, nor legal in some cases. The case of Louis Riel is another way for Canada to begin to heal its past. Are we Canadians so willing to put our heads in the sand that we accept that choices made in the past cannot be recognized as having been wrong or at least having been unacceptable to a society that values itself? The foundation of any country is fraught with aggression, murder, mayhem, and political "treason" . Why are we not willing to look into the past to create a better future, and simply acknowledge our failings?

Ian Ottawa
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He was a traitor just like the FLQ and the Parti Bloq. If Khadr comes back we should put him and his family in Quebec. They'd fit right in. Gilles could have new neighbours. Please go. We can't afford you anymore.

Garth
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Would we even have to discuss this if Riel was fighting for the rights of black or asian Canadians? He fought an unjust government on the frontier of the Dominion of Canada. Riel was exiled and told never to come back. He came back anyway and fought to secure the freedoms and rights of the Metis people, knowing that he would likely either die on the field or at the hands of an executioner. He did it anyway. Riel's conviction should be overturned and he should be considered as one of the founders of this country.

Jason From Sask
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After the FLQ is proclaimed as revolutionary, next is Khadr. Let it be, what is it going to change, beside wasting money for publicizing it. Vote fishing is all it is

clane
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Perhaps in another 100 years we can have the FLQ declared heroes of Canada instead of terrorists....

Rick in NB, Ste Marie
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John A Macdonald's quote. " He shall hang though every dog in Quebec bark in his favor " Kind of prejudiced considering he is the official founding father of Manitoba.

Robert Brise
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Executed vs. murdered. Again here is a politician trolling for votes! When Louis Riel died he was the leader of a revolution against a government, a terrrorist of the day we could say. And for this act he was executed. Had he died while being tied to a tree in the prairies, without due process we could then say he was murdered, but because of the times and circumstances then, maybe for due cause!

JB in Ontario
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Louis Riel led an uprising in the North West Rebellion against the Dominion of Canada. He was against the government much like some Separatists are today.Back then he did commit treason and was subsequently put to death.

LP
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I commend Pat Martin for this effort. Riel was a good and righteous man. Murdered by a government bent on silencing his dissent. Riel should be recognized as the hero he was. The Canadian government should be recognized for what they were. Admit your mistakes and set the record straight once and for all.

Kevin
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Trying to score political points by rewriting history...let us not forget that Riel was the first to "shoot", executing Scott in a very partisan trial with the purpose of sending a message to the then Canadian government - calling it one of his three good things he ever did. Riel was one of those historical figures that is so controversial - you either view him as a martyr or a revolutionary, depending on what side you took. It was an era when revolutionaries were executed, not murdered.

Portes
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Maybe what Riel did was not wrong. But why do we always recently have to second guess what happened in the past, the past is the past let it rest. Let us learn from our past rather than trying to erase them from the History books. History cannot be changed, many dictators have tried to do that and it has always backfired. The Government has a lot more imprtant things on it's hands right now, rather than worrying about something that happened over a century ago

david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
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Corruption back then? Who'd a guessed?

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