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Top Comments: April 26, 2009
By: Michael Stittle, CTV.ca News Staff
Date: Sun. Apr. 26 2009 5:27 PM ET
"Canada is not Mexico," the U.S. homeland security secretary said this week, before explaining that Canada is, well, sort of like Mexico.
Janet Napolitano cut her teeth as a politician in Arizona, where the top issue is almost always border security. On the other side of the walls that separate her state from Mexico, gang violence is always pushing north.
That seems to have molded her ideas about what a border should look like -- a barrier to keep out threats, no matter whether it's in Nogales, Mexico, or Windsor, Ont.
"Yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn't have a drug war going on, it didn't have 6,000 homicides that were drug-related last year," she said.
"Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it's been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there."
When a reporter asked if she was referring to the 9/11 terrorists, she answered: "Not just those but others as well."
Our readers were outraged. How could the person responsible for U.S. border security think the 9/11 terrorists entered the U.S. from Canada? Didn't we correct that myth years ago? She later said she had been misunderstood.
"I know that the September 11th hijackers did not come through Canada to the United States," Napolitano said in a statement. "There are other instances, however, when suspected terrorists have attempted to enter our country from Canada to the United States. Some of these are well-known to the public -- such as the Millennium Bomber -- while others are not due to security reasons."
That did little to pacify our readers, who were outraged that Canada had been partly blamed for the worst-ever terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
"A Former U.S. Citizen" wrote: "Paranoia has been, for a long time, (anyone remember the McCarthy era?) such a crippling disease which will ultimately led to the demise of a once great country. You know they do have medications to treat such disorders... I suggest they all take a handful then work on their own problems."
The problem wasn't helped when U.S. Sen. John McCain -- who represents Arizona, of course -- defended Napolitano's earlier comments.
"Well, some of the 9/11 hijackers did come through Canada, as you know," McCain told Fox News last Friday, after Napolitano had said that was incorrect.
"Dave Boyle of Ottawa" wrote: "During the U.S. election campaign, I thought McCain came across as a breath of fresh air for the Republican Party. At last, I thought, an urbane and intellectual leader for the Republicans. I was obviously in error. Thank goodness, Obama won instead of him."
But others said that while none of the 9/11 terrorists passed through the Canada-.U.S. border, Napolitano was right about the would-be Millennium Bomber, Ahmed Ressam, who crossed over from Victoria, B.C., to Washington state in 1999. He was captured on the other side of the border.
"Clean up our act first Canada" wrote: "The FACT is we have many terrorist cells operating within Canada... that's a fact. Whether or not others have permeated the border isn't public knowledge."
"Heather in Ontario" wrote that even if terrorists are crossing the border, it's still the fault of the Americans because it's their job to stop them. That seems a bit like blaming someone for walking into your fist, but it's an accurate point.
"Last time I checked, when you're crossing from Canada to the US, it's the US Border Guards who have the job of stopping you, not the Canadian ones! So if this situation does exist, how exactly is it our fault?" she wrote.
That brings us back to Napolitano's initial thought: tougher security is needed. And that's the problem. It will slow down border crossings, which in turn will hurt businesses that rely on quick and easy access to the U.S. or Canada.
Every day accounts for roughly $1.5 billion in trade between the two countries, as more than 300,000 people cross the border.
"Edmonton John" wrote: "This is very troubling. I have no problem with a proactive, intelligent security system. However, when the head of the security agency displays such ignorance, one can only surmise that the system is riddled with misinformation. The consequence will inevitably be inefficiency in our cross-border dealings as the US compensates for the deficiencies in their knowledge."
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It is about time - as a grandparent I have watched our kids (who were allowed to fail although I do remember some nagging on our part) learn, I have watched our children now micro-manage their children. A big part of it is the fact that there are predators out there and an extreme reluctance on the parents part to alllow freedom that might result in the children becoming victims.
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Fingerprinted Canuck Engineer
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If an engineer can't take someone out for supper, how the heck are the terrorists getting in? Do they think they are going for vacation reasons?
Prof. Pye Chartt
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Thanks for coming to the defense of the indefensible, although, I'm sure, "Concerned Canadian" appreciates being aided by one of his staunch liberal cohorts.
P.S. I'm still trying to figure out which "big words" you used. I didn't see any.
Andrew dylag, Burlington, ontario
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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"The innocent Americans in the twin towers were victimized by the terrorists, and by the foreign policy of their own country, which motivated the terrorists in the first place."
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Yet again, my friend, you have stepped into the political mud of your biased liberal views by merely parroting the standard left-wing "justification" for the murder of thousands of innocent people.
Do YOU get what you're doing? (Evidently not. It's your second kick at the can.)
You see, it's not intellectually or morally valid to assert that you can "justify" the murder of innocent people based upon the reasoning of choice. The killing of innocent people by terrorist means can be found on any depraved menu of lethal action.
Ultimately, you cannot pretend to care about the American lives lost during 9/11 when, in fact, by your own wayward admission, you "support" the political cause that led directly to their deaths.
You cannot skirt the truth that emanates from your position: that Americans "had it coming" and, therefore, they must bend to the political will of organizations like Al-Qaeda…or suffer the righteous consequences.
Your argument represents classic anti-Americanism, and a failed attempt at manipulating liberalism. It could still be applied to the plight of Jews in Hitler’s Germany, as the underlying notion suggests that some innocent people “deserve” such a fate.
The history of American foreign policy in the Middle East is a red herring that doesn’t mask or hide your hypocritical sentiment.
P.S. I’ve noted how you dodged my reference to Obama’s Afghanistan policy.
CYL
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Graphs are better
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The only thing better then ignorance, is ignorance covered in pretty language and big words.
I took the time to re-read the post by "Concerned Canadian" that seemed to so enrage you. He doesn't say that the US deserved 9/11 only offered an explanation for why it occured. The simple truth is the US has (to my knowledge) never had the discussion on why 9/11 took place. Maybe trying to learn something from such a horrible event would bring some small amount of good out of something so bad. Though that might be ugly and uncomfortable. Better to go on as before.
I'd also like to thank YOU for coughing up another utterly predictable, tiresome, and rather intellectually offensive comparison from the "Righty Playbook." Associating the genocide of the Jewish people to the events of 9/11 is disgusting. The only possible reason to make that comparison is to galvanize people to your way of thinking. See, I can use big words too. It's also why you dismiss people's arguments as "left". It's easier then having an actual discussion.
I'd also like to throw something out to the general discussion. Why is it that the term "Liberal" is all of a sudden a bad thing? It seems like over the past couple of years, having a left political view is somehow something bad.
my take on this
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Yours and America's right wing democracy is not for everyone. There are people who want to decide for themselves how to run their lives not be told how to run their lives.
The right in right wing doesn't mean correct.
Rob NS
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J.Booth
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Many Canadians listened to Liberals bash the U.S. for years. The likes of Libs like Carrolyn Parrish referring to Americans as "dam bastards",was common place.
Anti-Americaism has been indoctrinated into much of the Liberal sheep.
They actually believe that they hold the moral high ground over anyone that votes or thinks differently then them.
They accuse our P.M of being "divisive" ,yet every chance they get to bash Alberta,they take.-
Bunch of sickening hypocrites.
Nite Owl
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One poster last week said it best. If all the 9/11 terrorists came straight to the US through other countries shouldn't we be the ones toughening up border security, at the US crossings?
Concerned Canadian
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As I said, anyone familiar with the history of American foreign policy in the Middle East will understand why 9/11 happened. Please feel free to investigate the American's role in supporting the Shah of Iran, and why the Iranians hate America for their support of this dictator. Please find out what Osama bin Laden has to say about why 9/11 happened- you'll quickly discover it has to do with American support for the Saudi princes and their undemocratic rule in that country. The Americans were warned three times to remove their troops from Saudi Arabia- this is an offense against Islam, and what motivates the more radical Muslims. America has refused to remove their troops. Thus 9/11. I wonder how Americans would react if another country stationed troops on American soil?
And no, I wasn't blaming the victims of 9/11- only pointing out that 9/11 itself was the consequence of American foreign policy. Those are two quite distinct things. That's why it is truly offensive to argue that blaming the Americans for 9/11 is like blaming the Jews for Hitler- they were innocent victims of Hitler's policies. The innocent Americans in the twin towers were victimized by the terrorists, and by the foreign policy of their own country, which motivated the terrorists in the first place. Get it?
The rest of your "argument" is mostly rant, and therefore unworthy of refutation. Please feel free to respond when you can marshal some facts and reason to support your position. Please tell us why 9/11 has nothing to do with America's role in the Middle East.
Otherwise, you need to do some reading and some soul searching.
Rick in NB
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Sounds to me like your talking about the Bilderberg Group. There birth was circa 1954. There have been accusations in the past that they have bought presidents. But these accusations are from conspiracy theorists.
peter stewart Kanata
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Prof. Pye Chartt
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"It's true that America ought to be worried about terrorism. In reality, however, 9/11 was the consequence of American foreign policy over the last 60 years, as anyone familiar with the history of the Middle East is aware."
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Thanks for coughing up another utterly predictable, tiresome, and rather intellectually offensive argument from the "Lefty Playbook." Blaming the victim is a glaringly hypocritical maneuver that liberals enjoy when it suits their particular slant.
Suggesting, even implicitly, that America "had it coming," or, somehow "deserved" the horror of 9/11 that cost thousands of INNOCENT Americans their lives at the cold, immoral hand of terrorism, is quite rich.
You wouldn't dare stand up and say that the Jews "had it coming" with Hitler, or, that they "deserved" to be sent to concentration camps based upon their cultural history in Germany and Eastern Europe.
So why, then, do left-wing individuals (even those, supposedly, possessing a Ph.D.) feel that it's somehow okay to condemn Americans in a similar manner? I guess it's because hating Americans still enables people to escape a racist implication. They’re not a race.
In short, because the U.S. is "big and strong," it's fair game to slag American citizens in whatever depraved manner that befits the political agenda. Those with an anti-American compulsion can’t honestly pretend that their views rest on some history of foreign policy.
Not to poison your cool and refreshing Obama cocktail, but, be advised that he has already committed to markedly bolstering U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. Square that with your isolationist liberalism and crooked theories about “paranoia.”
I’m sure you’ll manage, somehow.
Darren
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I just returned from a vacation in the US and had a great time. As always I found the people warm and hospitable. My wife and I will be going there again on our next few vacations because it has so many great places to visit and it's not a basket case like all of these other countries eg. Mexico, Jamaica.
I go across the border about 2 to 3 times a week for various reasons and have done so for the past 3 1/2 years. No problem at all with the US Border agents. They have a very tough job to do. The slackers on the Canadian side are a bit of a joke though.
I see there are a lot of ignorant, hate filled posts on here as usual.
To people like Goose Dude, or whoever, in Whistler - you are obviously anti-American in the first place.
Mark Courtice
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island girl
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If the fear is directed towards something intangible or impossible to conquer like 'evil' or 'terror' then it is really easy to control people. Every dictator has used this technique.
Samual
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A couple appoligized for his comments, but the rest of the comments had nothing to do with the story, just Obama & McCain bashers not interested in where the terrorists came from.
meerkat
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Yes it's true, many terrorists want to strike the U.S. More so than any other country. Why is that? More over, what will I be accused of by some for simply asking that question?
I haven't been to the U.S. for about 15 years and I don't think I'll go there for at least another 15... maybe never
Concerned Canadian
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Thanks for your comment.
My point here is that it is irrational to leap to conclusions based on other people's statements. If Mr. McCain spoke directly for Mr. Obama, I'd begin to suspect that the president shared those beliefs. I believe Ms Napolitano has since corrected herself. Has Mr. McCain?
But your argument was that Mr. Obama can't be trusted because he "constantly contradicts himself." I'd appreciate knowing what some of those contradictions are. Can you give us some direct quotes that show this tendency of Mr. Obama to contradict himself?
Thanks for you help.
mark Courtice
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Anne M
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Molly
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Alexander M
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After these comments by these politicians though, I think it's best if I avoid all travel to the United States. I don't need to be thought of as a potential terrorist since that definitely isn't the case.
Concerned Canadian
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It's true that America ought to be worried about terrorism. 9/11 wasn't a movie, as someone here pointed out. In reality, however, 9/11 was the consequence of American foreign policy over the last 60 years, as anyone familiar with the history of the Middle East is aware. Americans are right to be afraid of the blowback from their actions.
But rational fear can also be tinged with paranoia when you start to be afraid where you have no reason to be. It can lead to irrational, violent behaviour. I think most of us would agree that the invasion of Iraq was based on paranoia- the U.S. had no credible evidence that Hussein had WMD- but went ahead anyway, to the tune of $500,000,000,000 and 5,000 American lives, never mind 65,000 Iraqs dead. Paranoia has real world consequences. Not a movie indeed.
So is believing that Canada was the entry point for 9/11 terrorists another example of this paranoia? Yes, if that belief has been debunked. If politicians like John McCain are still clinging to this belief, then what conclusion can we rationally draw from this?
B. Kelley, Ontario
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You want us to wait for what Obama has to say? And what day and time would that be? The man constantly contradicts himself from one statement to the next which leads me to believe that he wouldn't know the truth if it threw a shoe at him. Make no mistake. Obama will prove himself to be the most incompetent, corrupt and dangerous leader the U.S. has ever seen and he would throw Canada under the bus in a heartbeat if it served his purposes.
Michael (Ottawa)
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We have reached a point now where the public cannot trust what they are hearing or reading. Our society has exchanged absolute truths for 'moral relativism'. If we cant trust our leaders, governments, judges, church leaders who are we going to trust??
We are in crisis!
Sign of the times??
Concerned Canadian
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So Obama is protectionist because Napolitano and McCain believe that the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada? How does what McCain says make Obama protectionist? Does he speak for the administration?
And when did this erroneous rumour begin - was it during Obama's presidency, or Bush's? By your logic, that must make Bush a protectionist too, right?
I don't think we can logically infer anything about Mr. Obama's policies, protectionist or otherwise, from what some officials and Republican politicians say. Wait to see what Obama himself says, then draw your conclusions.
Rick in NB
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Why has this achilles heel taken 8 years to tend to. Why is it such a big deal now. Why try to seal off a border that can't be sealed. As Canadians we have all heard stories of border hopping without check points.
I don't think the American Government is concerned with security at the Can/AM border.
I do think this is about something else. Could be anything. Buy American protectionism? No use speculating, but if the US was worried about the border they would have sealed it within weeks not years.
Neil
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All this brou-ha-ha is entirely for the U.S. domestic market. Any strengthening of the Mexican border rules that did not include Canada's border with the U.S. as well would surely be challenged in the courts as racially motivated.
Obviously, the border "thickening" that the U.S. government is undertaking is entirely their right as a sovereign nation. One only hopes that this "thickening" of the border doesn't result in a commensurate "thickening" of the recession on both sides of the border.
Bill in BC
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Serge
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Misinformation is a manipulating tool being use a lot to justify arguable actions. Politicians are the tool users.
Medias the carriers.
Fear seems to be the goal
Dunny from Manotick
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Eyes Wide Open
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BunkerMania
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Meat Head or Moron.
I can't say it any more eliquently than him,
describing my thoughts on what these politicians spew.
What a bunch of Bunk
Wendy
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Please help me is this the message Harper was sending them.
I don't listen to Harper anymore because it's all lies false truths & giving away our tax dollars.
Did anyone watch him on USA tv is this the message he was sending
Clay
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Canada Goose Whistler
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The American government creates hate towards their country with their foreign policies.
In their killing of innocent people did they find weapons of mass destruction, Osama Bin Ladin.
They hand out guns like candy & have this war on drugs that creates more violence in their own country.
I was buying a slice of pizza from a shop in Whistler, the sale person was furious, he had just served some people from the USA. Is all he could say was how ....ing stupid Americans are. Never would I step foot in the USA they are a stupid country. Harper follows everything they do sadly making people around the world hate us too. We need a new trading partner & a new PM
Prof. Pye Chartt
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While it was entirely fair to criticize, and be offended by, the erroneous assertions of a Secretary of U.S. Homeland Security, anyone lacking an anti-American trigger finger couldn't help but note that the "topic" merely represented a wondrous opportunity for petty 'little" Canadians to outright bash America (on any level) and, thereby, reaffirm a common stereotype long-held by some of their southern neighbors that much of Canada is occupied by a bunch of classless northern hicks.
Oh sure; the usual "Type-A" politicos will disagree with me, but, it wasn't one of our finer days on this forum...despite all the crazed passion. The irony amidst the furor was that a certain substantial contingent of left-wing Canadians always go out of their way to trivialize the threat of terrorism, and suggest that the post-9/11 era is polluted with baseless paranoia.
It was truly amusing to read the mouth-frothing posts from these folks. (They like to regard 9/11 as a fictional Hollywood movie produced by George Bush.)
Anyone actually believing that Canada's borders are sufficiently resistant to the infiltration of terrorists, and that our country doesn't play host to several terrorist cells, are completely naive, foolish, and blinded by their own stubborn political agenda.
Ronald in Toronto
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And now, for a little perspective: All together now: "Boom-di-yadda, boom-di-yadda."
SRG
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Pat
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GUTSHOT! in Thunder Bay
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US Customs have begun stopping you as you leave the USA as well.
They have managed to make this Canadian feel like Im Osama Bin Laden himself (if he is still alive) I understand the need for security, but its gone too far.
And provide a passport??? With the new criteria, how is that any more secure than our new enhanced Ontario driver's license? Just another money grab our gov will happily take part in is my guess.
I suppose more of my money will stay with me, until Canadian retailers and the Canadian governments learn to be price competitive. Until then, I'll go without.
Cam in the west
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It boils down to only one thing...border security on the US side. I know I have never taken more than 2 minutes to cross into the US, if it were to take 5 minutes...so be it.
Fact is, the world has become more dangerous and terrorists have to be reckoned with...and that takes time at the borders...just don't blame Canada...or Canadians like myself, we love to travel to the US as it is the one country in the world with people most like ourselves.
Border security can be tightened quite simply by the US...the more dissimilar people crossing are than yourselves...the more time you spend checking them over...yes, a policy already in effect...that's why it takes me 2 minutes or less to cross into the US.
Ken
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B. Kelley, Ontario
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