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By: Michael Stittle, CTV.ca News Staff

Date: Sun. Mar. 29 2009 4:38 PM ET

Every so often we have a story that triggers so much shared rage from our readers they unleash a torrent of comments, turning our website into a giant megaphone at a country-wide protest rally.

This week, it happened when late-late-late-night Fox News host Greg Gutfeld mocked Canada's military operations in Afghanistan. He expressed wonderment that we were even in the country, and mused whether it wasn't "the perfect time to invade" Canada because we "have no army."

Gutfeld's attempt at humour showed an alarming ignorance about a war that has cost the lives of 116 military personnel. His timing was also bad. As his show "Red Eye" aired, Canadians were mourning four soldiers killed by a roadside bomb.

"It's truly sad that Fox would air and allow such ignorance, especially with the four soldiers coming home today. I wonder if Greg Gutfeld has ever served in the military? To me he is nothing more than a pathetic coward who should never be allowed to be on TV again!!" wrote "Jody." And that's just one of the comments we could safely publish.

The ensuing anger seemed to feed off itself, as comments piled on top of comments and quickly escalated into the hundreds. The sheer amount of public outrage became a story of its own.

Gutfeld offered a qualified apology; one of the panelists on the show, comedian Doug Benson, offered a sincere apology.

Was the rage justifiable? Even if Gutfeld's remarks can be dismissed as jokes, Canadians have a low tolerance for bad humour. Ask any comic trying to cut his or her teeth on our country's brutal stand-up circuit.

As some of our readers commented, the best satire works from a high ground of truth, like Rick Mercer or, in Gutfeld's own country, Jon Stewart. "Jason from Montreal" wrote: "Jon Stewart uses facts and pokes fun at political figures or decisions made by the government or other officials. This show and its guests were completely ignorant of the situation in Afghanistan and Canada's role there."

In the end, our comments may have only added to the problem, by bringing attention to a show that airs at 3 a.m. ET on a station few Canadians bother watching.

As "Parker" wrote: "Even if Mr. Benson or any of the other panelists are sorry or not, one thing remains certain. There is no such thing as bad publicity. I bet the Red Eye show has increased its viewership manyfold through this."

Last week's column

I want to thank our readers for their feedback on last week's column, when I asked what you thought about our monitoring system for comments.

"average joe" was the first to suggest some sort of rating system to distinguish the cream of the crop, and a few others, like "Michael (Ottawa)" were quick to agree, saying it would encourage more articulate responses.

We've thought about doing this, and our developer and wizard behind the curtain, Rizwan Awadia, is looking into the idea of adding such a function to the website's comments system.

"Prof. Pye Chartt," suggested being more selective on which stories readers can leave comments. He wrote that "stories concerning death/tragedy, where no debate, controversy, or material facts are (yet) in evidence (ie. Natasha Richardson story, Mexican bus crash story, Atlantic helicopter story, all of this past week) only lead to a relatively short string of condolences from strangers. What are readers really supposed to say?!"

That's a good point. Articles on plane crashes can be tricky because readers are asked to comment on a situation where few details are known, and we can't publish misinformation. The same goes for the Natasha Richardson story, where details were slow to emerge on the accident and the actor's condition. But in stories that involve tragedy, such as when a Canadian soldier dies, we have found that readers want to express their grief or sympathy, and comments are an easy way to do that.

"Jaye" said poor spelling in comments is a nagging problem, writing: "I try to keep an open mind when reading the posts of others, but I can't help thinking sometimes that some of them are so full of mistakes that what the author is saying cannot be taken seriously because he/she is illiterate."

"Jaye" is not the first to notice this, and won't be the last. It already takes a substantial amount of time to go through all the comments we receive each day and make sure they're safe to post. We correct some common errors when we have time; other times we just delete comments that are riddled with errors. Fully editing them would require far more time. But I hope those hoping to persuade others with their comments, especially on political stories, take notice of "Jaye"'s complaint.

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Canada Goose Whistler
said

I think there is already too much censoring, some of my comments don't show up. It's good to hear uncensored, opinions, how people really feel. Sometimes my comments are just I don't believe Harper is capable of running our country especially in these times. But they don't get posted, good thing I have more of a life than just ctv, we all like to be heard.


Michael (Ottawa)
said

I enjoy these comments but as a real Christian (not a churchy type) I have repeatedly commented on how many "shots" seem to be allowed regarding our faith yet if the same general "shots" were made regarding Muslims there would be hell to pay. That points to a double standard intentionally or not. I would just like to say that the same standard should be accorded to everybody not one group or another. You can say whatever you want about my faith (I can handle it) as long as I others are given the same freedom to comment on other faiths including the Muslim faith as we see it.

Isn't that fair enough??

Mike from Canada
said

Sometimes one can mistake illiteracy with a person operating in a second language. Just because a contributor does not have formal education does not mean their opinion is not valuable. Some of my wisest friends operate out of the blue collar sector with less than High School education.


Kelly O from Med Hat
said

NO CENSORSHIP ! We do still have the freedom in this country to have our say. Its nice to know what other people have to think and say.
Spelling should not be an issue unless its totally incomprehensible as English is the hardest language to master.

Terri
said

I am with Sam, I do not want my comments rated. I don't care about spelling mistakes. I don't think I am any better than these people and I value their opinion. They are the people that vote as well remember.Or do some of these people think that we shouldn't let them because they can't spell.I will stop reading these and commenting as well if you put in a rating system.


Dan from NB
said

I think having the option to comment is great, as long as they are meant to debate the issue. Rude comments, snide comments, or inconsiderate badgering are not what this was meant for and are not appreciated.

Yes typo's can sometimes make the comments harder to read, but can you honestly say you never make a mistake while typing? Because I know I do.



Mike vdB - Chatham, ON
said

I personally think that only the most offensive and deliberate "off topic" comments should be deleted. Most people who comment on here (other then political war room pundits) want to share a true opinion and not just yell and scream. If that includes some spelling mistakes, so what?

Also, it doesn't matter what political spectrum you are from, sometimes your comment will not get posted. I have had it happen to me a few times and I truely try to moderate my own comments before I send them in. Again...does it matter? I won't lose sleep over it.

CTV mod staff...keep up the good work but don't go overboard on your censoring decisions. Thank-you.


mark
said

The fact that you provide updates and feedback on your comments policies is a pleasant surprise. Kudos to you guys!


Sharon B. Saskatoon, SK
said

Spelling doesn't matter as much as the content itself. I think that if your going to put an opinion on a publicized forum, then at the very least the poster should have facts to support their view, otherwise it can be supporting uneducated, misinformed and unsubstantiated ideals.

As far as censorship to the "right winged", I have had comments that are more left wing that has also not been posted. My suggestion is maybe your right winged view went too far, as does the left ideals go to far.

I really get tired of hearing that this media has a biased view when the "reader" is responsible for what they take in and what they disgard. The thing that influences me is my own research....not someones opinion.

What I would like to see is the ability to add to comments later on. I would also like to see the ability to have a comment on pieces that don't allow a comment at all.


kc in alberta
said

well he(double hockey sticks)!

guess one of the moderators needed $5.00 this week...;)

thanks for letting me up on the soap box this time!


kc in alberta
said

I'm still trying to figure why some of my comments are not posted including the one I tried to put through on last weeks' "comment on the comments" story.

I really think I follow the rules scrupulously.

I never insult, libel or personally attack people.

I never use profanity or utter anything racial and yet only very few of my comments make it through.

Others seem to get through comments on any article they choose and due to the strength of their opinions, these comments are skirting some of your rules some of the time.

$5.00 says this comment doesn't get through either...

Here's hoping I have to pay and that the decision making on whose comments are rejected becomes a bit more equitable.


FreakAlert
said

Too much censoring by the CTV moderators in regard to posting comments. I don't really even bother anymore


Terry Pickering, Ontario
said

We as people have to show our comments and thoughts this is why we have this page to do so, we never get a chance any other way, CTV lets us express our feelings and comments so that we all can try to understand each others beliefs if we did not have this page to show our comments then why do we watch the news, we all like to keep updated in todays events and news is all around us there is no getting away from it and with that said I thank CTV for letting us ALL express our feelings.


maggie c
said

Those people who knocked Canada, it was wrong of him/her/them.

Also, I have friends who weren't able to complete their education.

Neither did I for that matter.

My friends have trouble with spelling, me it's math and anything to do with it.

My hubby is french, I do a lot of writing for him, then he rewrites whatever in his own handwriting.

It does not make him any less of a person. Nor anyone else.

Help a friend with spelling or whatever.

I had to use WordWeb for the correct spelling of nor.

Thank you for reading this.

Spring has sprung the grass is riz I wonder where the birdies is.

Have a great day everyone



Burlington Al
said

"typos are nothing...blah blah blah"
Posting comments in a public forum is a wonderful way of expressing your opinions, but it's a way to communicate by WRITING your opinions! Imagine having a verbal communication, if all that came out of your mouth was "gurgle, gurgle gurgle" wouldn't be much of a conversation would it? Well, I've tried to read some posts on these forums that are basically THAT!


johnny p
said

Oh please,you 're just upset that Fox News has been destroying the left wing,pro union,anti capitalist media in the US,and now you are scared they will do the same here.GOOD,I support Fox News 100%.It's not their fault the Canadian media is thin skinned.


Pip
said

I can understand why CTV has to read all posts before putting them up: it must protect itself from law suits. However, not including a post simply because of bad grammar or poor spelling is not an adequate reason for censorship.

Why should recent immigrants from third world or non-English-speaking countries be denied a say, simply because they are not yet familiar enough with English to produce the polished prose that CTV and some other posters require? Just listening to some CTV newscasts tells me that their own writers still have lessons to learn vis a vis sentence structure and correct vocabulary use. Besides, is there even a law that requires a person to be able to read or write? An eligible voter not on the list can attest to his identity by making his mark, witnessed by someone who knows him; written drivers' tests can be administered orally, and so on down the line.

As for censoring those with extreme political views, that seems to be counterintuitive. Let them post their extreme left- or right-wing opinions, and let other posters ridicule them in this public forum that CTV has created. But do not deny them the right to express their opinion. There are enough PC's out there already, who would deny us the right to even hold a personal belief, let alone express it.

These bulletin boards allow for a diversity of opinion, a sharing of knowledge (or ignorance). It is that sharing that prevents Big Brother from becoming a reality.


Dunny from Manotick
said

The idea of having a comments is to get views on different subjects from all and to post them, even if the staff at CTV happen to dissagree with their points of view.

Some people seem to be extremely one sided in their points of view and I have been accused of being this way myself however I do appreciate hearing the opposite or other points of view.

Some posters that are continually posted first or near first are always negative if it is regarding the government regardless of the context and always focusing on the gloom and doom with a need to finger point blame, never offering up some thoughtfull solutions.

Allowing the blog to become too right or left wing by publishing comments that are thoughtless, extreme and at the same time offer nothing but an underlying hatred take away from the public conversation we are having. That being said free speech is an important right and shouldn't be messed with lightly.


Carol in Richmond, BC
said

Its in the Charter Stupid!


Robert Rae we need to keep people in the dark
said

I think we need more censorship of comments to controll the Liberal message that only they care about people and conservatives don't, if we start letting posters spread facts, and questioning things like Global warming now called climate change and let people defend religous positions Liberal with personal agendas will not be able to trick the masses into good government and think of the consequences, like good government and accountability.


Obama Fan in Edmonton
said

If you don't like the comments don't read them!


Mannix - Billion Dollar CBC needs Free Counter
said

This Line: Michael (Ottawa)" were quick to agree, saying it would encourage more articulate responses.

This bothers me, he means more articulate, that people with differing views should not have a voice, what a phoney mask for censorship.

The Liberal Party already gets a billion a year for the CBC the voice of Liberals.

The posters cost nothing.


Soldier: Our National Anthem worth fighting for
said

Free expression is this country should be valued.
Everytime I sing the national anthem at a Hockey Game including the line the true north strong and free, it is exactly to fight things like censorship. Open comments shoud be our great right and freedom and our thoughts should not be screened by someone who decides what we want to here.


david sawkiw[saskatchewan farmer]
said

This morning,I have three points I would dearly like to get across.
Firstly, I make a few spelling and grammar mistakes,I never learned to type properly, and do not know how to use spell check or cut and paste.I totally agree with'not perfect',, Nikkola Tesla was one of the most brilliant scientists EVER, his writing is very hard to read.
Secondly,I agree with Rob NS, I too have noticed if I post with a right-wing slant,censored.
Thirdly, politics,,, here is a test comment >>> George Galloway is banned from speaking in Canada, because he has supported terrorists. Nelson Mandella was jailed for years [I believe he too, supported terrorists at one time??]. He was welcomed and honored by Canada! Why the double standard??


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

THUMBS DOWN TO "RATING SYSTEM"

While this notion may seem nifty and clever to some, including (and especially) CTV, I can't for the life of me determine what the intellectual point of it is.
_________________________

IT'S NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST.
_________________________

We're invited to render our personal opinions here, as they relate to news stories. Speaking personally and, I believe, for most independent critical thinkers, I don't give a damn whether people agree with my view(s) or not.

Furthermore, I don't care what the herding sheep and political lemmings think about other posters' comments.

(Aside: Something tells me that many of the most intelligent, pointed, interesting, and insightful comments will garner the least favorable "rating.")

Having, apparently, already given yourselves a "high five" over this silly measure, CTV, I would advise that you reconsider it.

Don't "fix" what isn't broken. It's a foolish mistake all too many enterprises make.


Rob NS
said

I have made many comments of the past year or so, on CTV. I have noticed, if I lean a little to far to the right with my comments...it might not get thru the moderators and posted...but if my view is to the left on a particular subject...100% of the time posted. I think you need a few right wingers mixed in with your moderator staff, to really get the feel of the population.


Eileen25
said

I hope you will not follow through on the censoring idea. It is always a pleasure to read "the other side of the coin" and that can bring some real education to some. Typos are certainly not a problem.


Rick in NB
said

@ Not perfect:

Nobody will make their comment more understood than you have. Excuse me while i get a tissue. I mean it you got to my soft spot.


Rick in NB
said

Why not limiting the comments to so many words. I'm sure that some posters are handing you a resume. Seven or eight paragraphs is a little to much. If a person can get a point out in around a hundred words it makes fast reading. As a rule i like to read the post before i shoot my mouth off, but i skip the novellas. Anyway that's my comment and i'm sticking to it.


Burlington Al
said

Cassidy,
It's a pretty sad statement to say that correctly spelling comments so that they can actually be read is censorship. If a person's spelling skills are lacking, all they have to do is pre-write their comments in word, do a spell check, then cut and paste to the comments field.


Not perfect
said

I only saw my Dad a few times before he died in 1985, having emigrated to Canada in my teens.
Some of my dearest possessions are two letters from him, riddled with spelling and grammar mistakes: because of illness he did not receive a good education, but his letters are something I would run back into my burning house for... as long as readers get the "message" being conveyed who cares about the spelling and grammar!! It's just a POST not an application for a job as an English teacher or secretary!! Give people a break! And if you don't like it, volunteer at your local illiteracy agency and help to teach rather than criticize.


Sam
said

You're asking for feedback from a public whose opinions will be as varied as the people themselves.

In order for the feedback to be a 'real' reflection of your readers views, you need to post it as it comes in (with the exception of rude, unproductive or illegible posts). To use a 'rating' system would only introduce the bias of your moderators and I would no longer be interested in the views expressed here as they wouldn't be a true reflection of Canadians.


Cassidy Kanata
said

Censoring for all but the serious statements is very undesirable in my opinion. Spelling mistakes and typos are ok. I have not seen comments to be unreadable. I have a dictionary beside me at the PC but others may not have the time I have to spell correctly. However I want to read their comments, those so-called maybe illiterates, which I do not agree with. Aside from all that I will continue to read the comments but will no longer post comments due to censorship. Thanks sincerely.


Inkmont
said

Thank you so much for the ability to post comments! I would like to see comments on more articles rather than fewer. Sometimes the comment option closes too quickly for me. I prefer to post on CTV because I find a wider range of points of view than on some other news sites and the variety of opinions is more interesting. ITA the comments feature is well worth enhancing and expanding! Thanks again.


 

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