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Date: Fri. Mar. 27 2009 2:43 PM ET
Ontario's Premier Dalton McGuinty defended his government's new budget as a necessary step to putting the province's business environment on a more competitive footing -- and warned that a 2010 hike in the minimum wage might be delayed.
"We need to change our tax system. We need to catch up to the 130 other countries. We need to catch up to four other provinces," he said Friday in Ottawa after his government tabled a budget Thursday that will spend 109 billion and run a $14.1 billion deficit.
"We need to start giving our businesses the advantage they enjoy in those other countries and other provinces. There is no easy way forward. If there was, somebody would have pointed it out by now."
McGuinty also said the province will raise the minimum wage to $9.50 per hour this year, up from $8.75, on Wednesday. But the scheduled 2010 increase to $10.25 per hour may be delayed depending how the economy is doing.
The head of a local Ottawa business association, approved of McGuinty's possible delay.
"That doesn't sound like much, but if you've got 75 employees working eight hours a day, it really impacts the bottom line," said Lori Mellor.
Progressive Conservative finance critic Tim Hudak called McGuinty's statement an embarrassing lack of leadership.
NDP Leader Andrea Horwath described it as outrageous that the government might consider curtailing a wage increase for low-income people while the government is preparing to raise their taxes through harmonizing the retail sales tax with the federal GST.
But Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said the premier is simply reserving the right to review the planned increase, noting the current economic crisis demands flexibility.
In the budget, the government predicted the economy will stop contracting by mid-year and start growing again in the third quarter. It predicted moderate growth in 2010 and a return to solid growth in 2011.
Tax changes
On July 1, 2010, the province's tax system will change dramatically.
The major change is the harmonization of the province's eight per cent Retail Sales Tax with the five per cent federal GST.
To ease the transition, Ontario will be spending $4.3 billion it got from the feds to provide one time payments over a 12-month period starting in 2010. Families with an income of less than $160,000 annually will get up to $1,000, while singles will get up to $300 if they have an income of less than $80,000.
The last payment will come in June 2011. Ontarians will go to the polls that fall under the province's fixed-election-date law.
On Thursday, both opposition parties characterized the payments as a bribe.
The move will ease the regulatory and tax burden on businesses, but shift it to consumers by taxing a much wider range of goods and services.
Some examples:
- Gasoline
- Home heating oil
- Fast food under $4
- Tobacco
- Haircuts, pedicures
- Real estate commissions
- Gym memberships
- Taxis, newspapers, magazines
- Movie tickets, internet fees
- Postage stamps
The province will make the following exemptions:
- Books
- Diapers, children's clothing and footwear
- Child booster seats
- Feminine hygiene products
- New homes under $350,000
Businesses will see about $4.5 billion in tax savings between the sales tax change and cuts to corporate taxes over three years, something the province believes will help boost exports and jobs.
The province estimates it will provide $10.6 billion in tax relief for people over three years, including a permanent $260 sales tax credit for low and middle-income individuals, more property tax credits to low and middle-income homeowners and tenants, and reductions in personal income tax by reducing the first bracket rate to 5.05 per cent.
Finance Minister Dwight Duncan told reporters Thursday that Ontario tax revenues would be reduced by $2.3 billion over four years by the combined measures.
Former New Brunswick premier Frank McKenna, a Liberal who merged his province's sales tax with the GST in the 1990s, said Friday that McGuinty deserves "full marks for guts" for proceeding with privatization.
Although it's a risky politically risky move, McKenna said harmonizing ultimately helped his former province's economy create jobs.
The move also draws the approval of federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, who has been pushing provinces to harmonize and who had been sniping at the Ontario Liberals to cut business taxes. In early 2008, he said Ontario would be the last place people would want to invest because of its business taxes. Flaherty concluded the deal with the Ontario government on March 10.
Of his newfound peace with the federal Tories, McGuinty said, "I think we should lay weapons down."
With a report from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss and files from The Canadian Press
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Steve the Pundit
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None of this tax harmonization nonsense would have been necessary if McGuinty & Co. didn't spend the last five years spending like drunken sailors. A little prudence (and not caving to interest groups and union demands) would have definitely put us in a better place. And, for that matter, if business taxes were reformed five years ago, maybe manufacturing job losses could have been prevented.
Shoulda / woulda / coulda , eh Dalton?
Gordon (Winnipeg Centre)
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That's why you see those who will be hurt most, applauding and cheering a Hike.
Why does Alberta have the Lowest Minimum Wage and the Highest Average Wage (Real World)?
The answer is Albertans have Higher Productivity, and that is why their Average Wage is the Highest.
Increases in Productivity is how the Free Market increases the Average Wage of the Worker. It does so beautifully, and without the Coercive Power of Centrally Planned Minimum Wage Laws.
John Reid
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And McGuinty is a prime example, he promised to to take care and eliminate child poverty - He did he gave all the MPP's a 25% raise so they didn't have to worry about poverty, And he gives bigger tax breaks to people earning a 100 thousand and over a year than to me with my 32 thousand a year fixed income.
Greg Oshawa
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Chris Ont
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I do not begrudge anyone a decent living, but every job has a value. Increasing minimum wage creates less employment in the long run.
At some point in timewage increases will colapse the economy and wages will have to be reset lower, along with the cost of goods.
Taxing gas is a cash grab, taxing a tax to start and then that tax increases with price hikes in gas.
How these politicians can stand and say this will be revenue neutral is beyond me.
Canada Goose Whistler
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Marg
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You'll get more of the same if the Federal Liberals get their way and form the next Federal Gov't. Looks like at least some Ontarians are starting to see the light. Hopefully that will translate over to the next Federal election as well.
Bill - Oshawa
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AJW-single and proud of it
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Mikesask
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May
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To confused in Hammer. For those who earned 9.50/hr and worked 1 year or more now wouldn't be happy to be paid same wages as new hires. The employers force to pay them more in order to keep the good workers.
Red X
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john@ stickyour$1000.ca
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Pete/Windsor
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Brian Mcdermott out West
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Doug
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Andy Y- Vancouver
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Increased taxes without increased minimum wage doesn't work. It only serves the richest 5% can afford it and who don't contribute as much to the national economy as they'd like us to believe...
It is the middle class that keeps economies afloat, not the rich as most conservatives will preach...
Nick J Boragina
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Concerned in Belleville
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Raising the minimum wage doesn't help *anyone's* standard of life, the more it goes up, the more the cost of living goes up. This change will just push more and more of us into poverty. The only people that win are those who tax our income.
GD
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My two cents.
Mark (Wellington County, ON)
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taxpayer
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Public sector employee
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Please tell me how this helps the economy!!!.
PJ Graham
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Taxed Out in SK
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DJ
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Rosie
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Lee in Calgary
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Seems he was right and the premier has finally recognized it while at the same time I've seen the Federal conservative government doing much more to show harmony with the provincial liberals. Interesting bedfellows it would seem.
Matt
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"If a business can't operate on $10 per hour per employ they do not have a viable business and should close."
That is what they'll do once minimum wage is $10. I'm glad you understand how higher minimum wages cost money.
What I don't understand is when there is a person willing to work at a wage, and a company willing to pay that person, why should we prohibit this?
Also why did you choose $10, what about $11, $12, $100/hr? It's likely that you realize a minimum wage that's "too high" will have negative repercussions, so you pick an arbitrary value.
When I was a babysitter I worked for less than minimum wage, because that's what the market would support.
I made a few dollars, I was happy, the parents had an affordable night out, they were happy, the businesses they spent money at got more business, they were happy.
Even at a young age, like many kids I realized I could only earn what the market would support, otherwise the business simply wasn't there.
What is it that makes people left forget the basic economic theories that are obvious to teenagers?
Confused in the Hammer
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For those making $10 an hour right now will almost be back to square one making minumum wage.
Nobody from the goverment agencies can answer this for me???
Tax Me, I'm Canadian
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Sue toronto
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Tell him to keep $1000
and not harmonize, Boy to we love the Liberals, I hope this will keep them out the next election if there is anyone left standing
amelia
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Kevin in Toronto
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McGuinty rarely does anything except take popular non-issues and make them his cause. Now that he's actually decided to do something, it's this backward notion of increasing taxes while we're in a recession.
Flaherty more or less begged him to reduce business taxes before the recession hit as a preemptive move to stimulate economic growth. McGuinty decides to follow his advice; months later.
I repeat, bounce this clown.
Creeker Marion
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Jim from Oshawa
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Eric - Ottawa
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lulu
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Leave - get out and leave it to mcguinty and his big business friends who can afford to pay the rising: Transportation costs,
Housing costs,
Property taxes,
Sin taxes,
Garbage taxes,
Bottle taxes,
Alcohol taxes,
Death taxes (Yes! If you die Be prepared to pay taxes!),
Reduce your social services taxes,
Jumble the numbers and talk to you like an idiot harmonized taxes,
Gotcha and you didn't know it, Ha! Ha! taxes,
More taxes,
Coming-down-the-fracking-line taxes...
Run people, Run!!
TG
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Seriously, folks, nothing ever changes here. The rich are upset about paying too much tax on their higher than average earnings, and the poor are mad that they don't have higher than average earnings to be taxed on. Yeah, I know, if everyone had higher than average earnings, there would be no "average".
My point? We're all in this together. We all want high levels of quality and accountable public service, but balk when given the bill. Most of us in society, rich and poor, live beyond their needs, and tend to blame government when things don't work out. Few of us are without blame, but are quick to scape goat somebody else. My personal favorite is how the "bloated and parisitic" public service is the cause of all problems. What a charming notion! Perhaps the public service should be gutted and have their wages slashed - to the same levels as those in countries like Mexico. I hear that works really well for them. Everything comes with a price.
Doug, Thornton
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CYL
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This is all so depressing.
Che
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George
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We need more disposable income, not raising minimum wage, or adding more taxes.
Canadians are too busy working to pay their bills, and spend whatever time they have with their families then to fight our corrupt governments which is an organized crime at the highest.
We need a new party of the people, for the people. Non of those jacka$$es that only care about getting in power. Listen to them in parliament, instead of working together for the goodness of Canada, they bicker and argue like school children. This country is getting worst every year.
We need to SPEAK UP and fight back for our rights.
Scott
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Thank you for helping to increase minimum wages so that I could shut the doors to my business (which was a restaurant/bar)! I was a small biz in Northern Ontario that USED to employ 30 ppl., but with the wage hikes, I could no longer afford to make a profit and payroll.
I'M GLAD THAT I MOVED OUT OF McGuintey's ONTARIO so that I could open a biz somewhere else!
Doug BC ... you hit the nail on the head with your comment!
LF
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Ki-Som Victoria BC
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Gail (Hamilton)
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Sean in London
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FEDUP
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John Black, Ontario
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Rick
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We're going to give families $1,000.00 to cope with any difficulties on tha tax hike.
well lets see where that will get you.
some math on just 1 item that will increase because of this, gasloine, the one everyone already loves.
Average gas use at 1 litre per 12 km.
average km's driven per year 20,000. thus 1670 litres.
If gas is $1.00 per liter, it will become $1.08 (for easy math) thus $134 more on gas alone.
Now add in your heat bill, your electric bill, most goods or services that you spend your hard earned money on, and that $1,000.00 won't last the first year.
ik
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Mike from Toronto
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Linda in Vancouver
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Is he simply raising the wages so he can collect even more taxes so he can then turn around and send out even more cheques in the form of social programs??
I also agree with "canada cannot afford----" to a certain extent.But only if workers and low income people get lower taxes and lower costs in lieu of wage increases.
As an export nation,we must think beyond our own borders.
To people who want to earn more money,I wonder how many have considered upgrading their skill sets.It's a bit disingenous to take a Mc-job to get started in life,and then expect your employer to raise your wages so you can be closer to those who educated themselves,and took on more difficult work.
THe problem with unions and socialist is,that they believe we should all make the same.Our union pushes that mentality because "we all shop in the same stores and pay the same prices".
Nonsense.You work harder or educate yourself more,I believe you should earn more.PERIOD.
fish_fish
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dar in ontario
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Pity we as voters can't put wage reductions on the public workers and politicians, lets claw them back to 8 years ago wages, and cut their benifits. Our family recently took a 10% cut in pay and every holiday monday we must take a friday off without pay.
Mark
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Households earning less than $160K will get a rebate of 'up to $1000' but those of us who have EARNED more get squat-and will continue to subsidize the rest.
In the Federal Republic of Ontario and more specifically in Toronto if you work hard and earn a decent income it is now 'government policy' to re-distribute my income to everyone else.
I work harder, pay more tax and yet receive progressively LESS for my increasing tax dollars. The left-leaning province of Ontario (because that's what it's become) will tell me that it's my 'duty' to re-distribute any of my income.
Saskatchewan and Alberta are looking more attractive every day.
Taylor
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Businesses don't pay higher wages, the consumer does.
Since consumer spending needs to get going again, raising the minimum wage is counterproductive as consumers will continue to pull back on spending as prices increase. Ergo, staff will be let go as customers stay away.
The Minimum wage is just that, a start, not a wage people should choose to live on. If they chose to stay on for $8 an hour, that is their choice.
Joyce
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I would like to add that the increases to the Public Sector comes out of the Taxes the Taxpayer pays.
The 100.000 plus of Public workers whom MCQuinty has increased on, comes out of the Private Sector,who are the Private Businesses and the Individual Taxpayers who foot the Bill.
I would think the Minimum wage earner who wants to be independant and put food on the table, are they not also worthy of an increase that McQuinty gave themselves and those in the Public Sector.
Jackie
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Matt
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Why did it take so long for Dalton to clue in?
Not increasing minimum wage next year isn't going to help us through the next 12 months.
He should have delayed/canceled the hike to $9.50 months ago. Unfortunately it's too late now.
Cut the workers wages to zero dollars, zero cents.
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Maybe.
Pete
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Christine
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Joyce
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Is this what Premier McQuinty is saying.
Seems to me a lot of these people are desperately trying to be independant, but McQuinty is denying them not to be.
Rewarding the Public Sector with an increase for those in Public Service, does not cut it especially when Premier McQuinty favours the Public Sector over those who are in the Private Service Sector and not for the people who hold jobs elsewhere on a minimum wage,when things they buy, for instance food, are also creeping up and up and eventually are out of reach for them to buy.
Jim in the Kawarthas
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I know that currently the economy is the issue - but then much of that is based on over inflated labour costs fueled by big labour's demands, and their expectations.
When the new Toyota plant was mentioned in the news it was stated that their workers had lower wage - and I don't think we heard huge complaints.
The increase of the minimum wage will help those without access to a "big brother" to help them get what's needed, and also helps the most vulnerable.
Doug BC
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If those working for a minimum wage of $8.00 per hour get a raise to $9.00 then the person who wa already at $9.00 then wants $10.00,and on and on.Before we know it,the cost of making anything is so high that we can't export our products,and the economy stumble to a point where there are no jobs.
My theory is,that we need more "disposable" dollars more than we just need higher wages.If I get a $1.00 wage hike,I only get to keep about 75 cents.If I get a $1.00 tax cut,or a $1.00 decrease on my energy bill,I get to keep $1.00.
If I was king of Canada,I would push for lower taxes so people could keep more of the money they earn.AND,I would push for lower energy prices for Canadians.As we lower debt,we could afford to take taxes off of the oil and energy we use here.That would put dollars in our pockets without raising wages,and it would be a huge competetive advantage for industries in Canada.We might actually be able to manufacture in Ontario with out Trudeau's policy to steal the resources of energy producing provinces.
It's not so much that our wages are to low,it's more about how much of that money government lets us keep,and at what level of income that taxation begins.
Terry Sinclair Toronto
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lucas in brantford
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Greg (Ottawa)
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Businesses are having a lot of trouble during this economic downturn. If they can't afford to do business, they'll close shop. Would you rather lose some money or lose your job? I know I'd rather lose a few bucks.
Joyce
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A lot of these people are dependant on that paycheque, and now McQuinty is denying them there livelyhood. Are they not also susceptible to the Economic downturn, and do they not have to pay extra when there are increases to things they buy.
Matt
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Julius in Hamilton
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Canada cannot afford this crazy wage spiral.
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Workers must cut their excessive wage demands. Only then can Canada have prosperity. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Pete
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