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Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty answers questions during a media availability in Ottawa on Friday March 27, 2009. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) McGuinty

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Date: Fri. Mar. 27 2009 2:43 PM ET

Ontario's Premier Dalton McGuinty defended his government's new budget as a necessary step to putting the province's business environment on a more competitive footing -- and warned that a 2010 hike in the minimum wage might be delayed.

"We need to change our tax system. We need to catch up to the 130 other countries. We need to catch up to four other provinces," he said Friday in Ottawa after his government tabled a budget Thursday that will spend 109 billion and run a $14.1 billion deficit.

"We need to start giving our businesses the advantage they enjoy in those other countries and other provinces. There is no easy way forward. If there was, somebody would have pointed it out by now."

McGuinty also said the province will raise the minimum wage to $9.50 per hour this year, up from $8.75, on Wednesday. But the scheduled 2010 increase to $10.25 per hour may be delayed depending how the economy is doing.

The head of a local Ottawa business association, approved of McGuinty's possible delay.

"That doesn't sound like much, but if you've got 75 employees working eight hours a day, it really impacts the bottom line," said Lori Mellor.

Progressive Conservative finance critic Tim Hudak called McGuinty's statement an embarrassing lack of leadership.

NDP Leader Andrea Horwath described it as outrageous that the government might consider curtailing a wage increase for low-income people while the government is preparing to raise their taxes through harmonizing the retail sales tax with the federal GST.

But Finance Minister Dwight Duncan said the premier is simply reserving the right to review the planned increase, noting the current economic crisis demands flexibility.

In the budget, the government predicted the economy will stop contracting by mid-year and start growing again in the third quarter. It predicted moderate growth in 2010 and a return to solid growth in 2011.

Tax changes

On July 1, 2010, the province's tax system will change dramatically.

The major change is the harmonization of the province's eight per cent Retail Sales Tax with the five per cent federal GST.

To ease the transition, Ontario will be spending $4.3 billion it got from the feds to provide one time payments over a 12-month period starting in 2010. Families with an income of less than $160,000 annually will get up to $1,000, while singles will get up to $300 if they have an income of less than $80,000.

The last payment will come in June 2011. Ontarians will go to the polls that fall under the province's fixed-election-date law.

On Thursday, both opposition parties characterized the payments as a bribe.

The move will ease the regulatory and tax burden on businesses, but shift it to consumers by taxing a much wider range of goods and services.

Some examples:

  • Gasoline
  • Home heating oil
  • Fast food under $4
  • Tobacco
  • Haircuts, pedicures
  • Real estate commissions
  • Gym memberships
  • Taxis, newspapers, magazines
  • Movie tickets, internet fees
  • Postage stamps

The province will make the following exemptions:

  • Books
  • Diapers, children's clothing and footwear
  • Child booster seats
  • Feminine hygiene products
  • New homes under $350,000

Businesses will see about $4.5 billion in tax savings between the sales tax change and cuts to corporate taxes over three years, something the province believes will help boost exports and jobs.

The province estimates it will provide $10.6 billion in tax relief for people over three years, including a permanent $260 sales tax credit for low and middle-income individuals, more property tax credits to low and middle-income homeowners and tenants, and reductions in personal income tax by reducing the first bracket rate to 5.05 per cent.

Finance Minister Dwight Duncan told reporters Thursday that Ontario tax revenues would be reduced by $2.3 billion over four years by the combined measures.

Former New Brunswick premier Frank McKenna, a Liberal who merged his province's sales tax with the GST in the 1990s, said Friday that McGuinty deserves "full marks for guts" for proceeding with privatization.

Although it's a risky politically risky move, McKenna said harmonizing ultimately helped his former province's economy create jobs.

The move also draws the approval of federal Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, who has been pushing provinces to harmonize and who had been sniping at the Ontario Liberals to cut business taxes. In early 2008, he said Ontario would be the last place people would want to invest because of its business taxes. Flaherty concluded the deal with the Ontario government on March 10.

Of his newfound peace with the federal Tories, McGuinty said, "I think we should lay weapons down."

With a report from CTV Toronto's Paul Bliss and files from The Canadian Press

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Steve the Pundit
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I swear this knucklehead is making it up as he goes along. Not that I supported the proposed minimum wage hikes, but how can you in good conscience increase people's cost of living (through a huge increase in the tax base) and then take away their opportunity to try and catch up (through increased wages)? Maybe he can go back to all the unions that he gave huge increases to and say "hey, times are tough, I changed my mind. No hard feelings, right?" NOT LIKELY!!

None of this tax harmonization nonsense would have been necessary if McGuinty & Co. didn't spend the last five years spending like drunken sailors. A little prudence (and not caving to interest groups and union demands) would have definitely put us in a better place. And, for that matter, if business taxes were reformed five years ago, maybe manufacturing job losses could have been prevented.

Shoulda / woulda / coulda , eh Dalton?


Gordon (Winnipeg Centre)
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It's sad most people don't know the Economics of Minimum Wage Laws.

That's why you see those who will be hurt most, applauding and cheering a Hike.

Why does Alberta have the Lowest Minimum Wage and the Highest Average Wage (Real World)?

The answer is Albertans have Higher Productivity, and that is why their Average Wage is the Highest.

Increases in Productivity is how the Free Market increases the Average Wage of the Worker. It does so beautifully, and without the Coercive Power of Centrally Planned Minimum Wage Laws.




John Reid
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You know the biggest problem with political jokes is that too many of them get elected.

And McGuinty is a prime example, he promised to to take care and eliminate child poverty - He did he gave all the MPP's a 25% raise so they didn't have to worry about poverty, And he gives bigger tax breaks to people earning a 100 thousand and over a year than to me with my 32 thousand a year fixed income.


Greg Oshawa
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It's time for an election and dump these guys!


Chris Ont
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Just because the cost of doing business increases, it does not mean that the price of the product you make can be increased. Taxes go up and there is not alot you can do about it, increase minimum wage and marginal business's cut costs to survive. That means laying off the people that don't pay much income tax, and can't afford to buy things that have an increase in taxes. Then goverments are forced to raise taxes again to pay increased welfare and UI.

I do not begrudge anyone a decent living, but every job has a value. Increasing minimum wage creates less employment in the long run.

At some point in timewage increases will colapse the economy and wages will have to be reset lower, along with the cost of goods.
Taxing gas is a cash grab, taxing a tax to start and then that tax increases with price hikes in gas.

How these politicians can stand and say this will be revenue neutral is beyond me.


Canada Goose Whistler
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Employee's working for bailout companies should be paid the minimum wage, It would sure be a big chunk of change back in the tax payers pocket.


Marg
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It's the "Liberal way" PAY,PAY,PAY !!!

You'll get more of the same if the Federal Liberals get their way and form the next Federal Gov't. Looks like at least some Ontarians are starting to see the light. Hopefully that will translate over to the next Federal election as well.


Bill - Oshawa
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Increase the tax to the low income, give them a whopping $260 credit,then tell them no big wage increase to $10.25. Dalton are you trying to get everybody in Ontario to hate you? 75% want you out of office now. The Liberals are more Conservative than the Conservatives.This is coming from a multi generation liberal who will now be voting antyone but a Liberal.


AJW-single and proud of it
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Wee as per usual because you are single you are penalized again. I mean come on, up to $300, why not the same as it is for families. I mean single people have to live too. I don't know where the $160,00 figure came from. As far as I am concerned I don't think that anybody who makes over $75K a year should get anything. If you can't live on $160k a year there is something wrong. I don't think that uping the minimum wage is excessive. to be quite honest who can live on $9.00 an hour. The minimum wage should be $10 per hour as far as I am concerned.


Mikesask
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$1900.00 before taxes a month!! 40 hour week...does this even exist now a days. Most of these posters could not and will not live off that. No house, car, live with one or two room mates. You can only hope that your commute to work is short... I'm afraid the por will stay this way...slaves to the well off.


May
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YSM
To confused in Hammer. For those who earned 9.50/hr and worked 1 year or more now wouldn't be happy to be paid same wages as new hires. The employers force to pay them more in order to keep the good workers.



Red X
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For 9 years the min. wage stayed the same and people had to borrow on credit to survive. How did that work out?


john@ stickyour$1000.ca
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Can't we stop this idiocy. I simply cannot aford this I get a $10000. a year pension and the government claws back 25% income tax now 13% on everything else. So thanks for allowing me to keep $ 7200 to live on.


Pete/Windsor
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Another promise broken by Dalton and the Liberals. I agree we need to get business back on track in order to maintain employment and encourage new growth. Let's hope that the excessive tax break given to the business world will also be passed on to the consumer.No sense having business if we the consumer are not able to afford the products.


Brian Mcdermott out West
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I'd like to see this fool live on less than 10 bucks an hour, especially with the new taxes. We should all get jobs in China or India, they are truly treated better there at our normal level of education


Doug
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What an A-hole.


Andy Y- Vancouver
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Well sounds to me like Ontario is selling a "Zero Sum" bill of goods with a minimum wage increase that won't cover the additional expenses of the ever reaching tax grab.

Increased taxes without increased minimum wage doesn't work. It only serves the richest 5% can afford it and who don't contribute as much to the national economy as they'd like us to believe...

It is the middle class that keeps economies afloat, not the rich as most conservatives will preach...


Nick J Boragina
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If you are paying all 75 of your employees the minimum wage, you are a pretty awful person.


Concerned in Belleville
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Oh great, so by making $10.50 at the moment, should the 2010 minimum wage raise go through, I'll be making barely above minimum. And with that, the price of everything will be going up.... lovely. We all know that there will be no provision for those of us currently making above just above minimum.

Raising the minimum wage doesn't help *anyone's* standard of life, the more it goes up, the more the cost of living goes up. This change will just push more and more of us into poverty. The only people that win are those who tax our income.


GD
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blending the taxes at the present rate is just another tax grab. Other Provinces reduced the PST when they were blended as their costs for collection went down.This was passed on to the people but leave it to Ontario to just keep it. Corporate taxes in my opinion should be standard in all provinces that would stop corporations from holding their locations over the taxpayers heads. 'Why should we subsidize corporations tax rates with tax payers money. If they can't survive and pay their share of taxes then they shouldn't be in business.

My two cents.


Mark (Wellington County, ON)
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I cannot believe that in a time of recession, a government would be so indifferent to the plight of individuals and families, to raise taxes. That's was US President Herbert Hoover did in the depth of the Depression in the early 1930's! What crazy move, that will take money out of the hands of Ontarians, when we buy basic and everyday things. McGuinty has got to go.


taxpayer
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Hope all your kids in this province are ready to pay for this Governements lack of responsibility in seeing this coming. They should take pay cuts....


Public sector employee
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I'm a public sector worker in BC. For those of you who think we make too much money and should take a pay cut. NEWS Flash, we already did, 15% off the top and longer work hours. I now take home no more than if I was making $11 per hour (I calculated it out) This was 4 years ago. If we went back to the wages from 8 years ago, I would make a heck of a lot more money than I do now. I now live paycheque to paycheque and have stopped paying into my RRSP because of this. I didn't buy my new house and repaired my old car of 10years rather than buy a new one. I also took my kids out of hockey and no longer take a family vacation every year.
Please tell me how this helps the economy!!!.


PJ Graham
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Let the Neo-Liberal attack on the poor begin. Yeh Capitalism!


Taxed Out in SK
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Typical Liberal - uses any excuse for a BIG tax grab...after all, government always knows the best way to spend YOUR money...


DJ
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So the entire reason that they are claiming to bring about this HST is that it supposidly cost businesses $100 million yearly to administer and pay the taxes that they collected. Why and the hell has no one in this government asked these businesses what exactly costs $100 million? How is it that they are having to pay anything for this? Even if it does cost some amount of money and the government is doing this to help them then the entire program should be revenue neutral. They should lower the HST to around 10% - 11% or have us submit reciepts to them for reiembursment at the end of the year. But of course they will not even think about doing this. They probably think that businesses will pass on the savings! I think he must be drunk or living in a bubble. I can only say that I am glad we have an election next year. I am sorry to say I did vote for him last time. I guess it's time to send a message to him and show him the door.


Rosie
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McGuinty has sat on his hands for the last six years,doing as little as possible.Everything is someone elses fault,from the economy to native issues.He has had plenty of time to be pro-active but lacks any kind of foresight. His head has never been in the game.That said,it doesn't matter what the gov't does now,it is too late. We are past the point of no return.Our standard of living has been going down and will continue for years to come.There is only one solution and that is to cut gov't spending.We need a leader with the balls to cut at least 20% of the provincial payroll. A wage rollback would be perfect as people could keep their jobs.Sadly,greed and unions will never allow this. Enjoy life and live it while you can.


Lee in Calgary
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Funny that the premier is now agreeing that the province must be more competitive with other provinces and countries yet when the Finance Minister famously suggested that under the business climate in Ontario he wouldn't recommend investing there and was villified for it.

Seems he was right and the premier has finally recognized it while at the same time I've seen the Federal conservative government doing much more to show harmony with the provincial liberals. Interesting bedfellows it would seem.


Matt
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Doug, Thornton

"If a business can't operate on $10 per hour per employ they do not have a viable business and should close."

That is what they'll do once minimum wage is $10. I'm glad you understand how higher minimum wages cost money.

What I don't understand is when there is a person willing to work at a wage, and a company willing to pay that person, why should we prohibit this?

Also why did you choose $10, what about $11, $12, $100/hr? It's likely that you realize a minimum wage that's "too high" will have negative repercussions, so you pick an arbitrary value.

When I was a babysitter I worked for less than minimum wage, because that's what the market would support.
I made a few dollars, I was happy, the parents had an affordable night out, they were happy, the businesses they spent money at got more business, they were happy.

Even at a young age, like many kids I realized I could only earn what the market would support, otherwise the business simply wasn't there.

What is it that makes people left forget the basic economic theories that are obvious to teenagers?


Confused in the Hammer
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I have a question. How does the minimum wage increase affect those who only make a bit more than what the new wage will be. Is the government requiring those businesses to increase their wages as well???
For those making $10 an hour right now will almost be back to square one making minumum wage.
Nobody from the goverment agencies can answer this for me???


Tax Me, I'm Canadian
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This has absolutely nothing to do with helping businesses or industry. This is a tax grab, pure and simple. No amount of double talk can disguise the real purpose of these changes. Mr. McGuinty is using the poor economic climate to once again gouge the people here in Ontario. During this unprecedented economic disaster, people are looking to their governments for help, not tax increases.


Sue toronto
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He lied about taxing us again, so much for his promises

Tell him to keep $1000
and not harmonize, Boy to we love the Liberals, I hope this will keep them out the next election if there is anyone left standing


amelia
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A rise in any wages is not a good thing, because one of three things will happen: employees' hours get cut back because employers cannot afford to pay the increase; prices go up to compensate for more wages being paid out; self-employed people (like I was) being forced to work longer hours for less pay in order to be able to pay the same wages to their employees who can now fewer hours for the same amount of money. So an increase in the minimum wage is not necessarily a good thing, somebody somewhere has to eat the increase. Good luck raising prices in this economy.


Kevin in Toronto
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Please Ontario, during the next election can we finally learn our lesson and bounce this clown?

McGuinty rarely does anything except take popular non-issues and make them his cause. Now that he's actually decided to do something, it's this backward notion of increasing taxes while we're in a recession.

Flaherty more or less begged him to reduce business taxes before the recession hit as a preemptive move to stimulate economic growth. McGuinty decides to follow his advice; months later.

I repeat, bounce this clown.


Creeker Marion
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So I am a single person and will get UP TO $300.00. That is really going to help with the transition to a harmonized tax system when the gas prices go up, AGAIN! But hey that's life in Ontari-ari-ario I guess.


Jim from Oshawa
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What?? Walmart workers get a .75/hr raise!! For what?? Did they join the CAW?


Eric - Ottawa
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The GST/PST merge was long overdue. The tax cuts for the average joe and for business are welcome news. The infrastructure spending has been needed since the Harris cuts and downloading. The investment in education is very wise, as is the increased support for the unemployed. This budget, in my view, was well thought out and is perfect for the times we find ourselves in.


lulu
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One word: EXODUS!

Leave - get out and leave it to mcguinty and his big business friends who can afford to pay the rising: Transportation costs,
Housing costs,
Property taxes,
Sin taxes,
Garbage taxes,
Bottle taxes,
Alcohol taxes,
Death taxes (Yes! If you die Be prepared to pay taxes!),
Reduce your social services taxes,
Jumble the numbers and talk to you like an idiot harmonized taxes,
Gotcha and you didn't know it, Ha! Ha! taxes,
More taxes,
Coming-down-the-fracking-line taxes...

Run people, Run!!


TG
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Greg, in theory I agree with you but not in practicality. I am grateful to have a job ( which pays minimum wage ) however, when almost everything else is going up, most significantly taxes, it makes it quite difficult to support yourself let alone a family. Oh and by the way, for those out there that think getting more than one job is an answer to this problem, well lets just say that there is more to life than working you way into an early grave.


Straittohell
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Hmmm... Dalton pissed off both the left and right of the political spectrum. It must mean he is on the right track.

Seriously, folks, nothing ever changes here. The rich are upset about paying too much tax on their higher than average earnings, and the poor are mad that they don't have higher than average earnings to be taxed on. Yeah, I know, if everyone had higher than average earnings, there would be no "average".

My point? We're all in this together. We all want high levels of quality and accountable public service, but balk when given the bill. Most of us in society, rich and poor, live beyond their needs, and tend to blame government when things don't work out. Few of us are without blame, but are quick to scape goat somebody else. My personal favorite is how the "bloated and parisitic" public service is the cause of all problems. What a charming notion! Perhaps the public service should be gutted and have their wages slashed - to the same levels as those in countries like Mexico. I hear that works really well for them. Everything comes with a price.


Doug, Thornton
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Don't cut the minimium wage increases. If a business can't operate on $10 per hour per employ they do not have a viable business and should close.



CYL
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Mr McGrabber: more taxes, increase in everything, but who's gonna buy ? unemployed won't have $$. We need more money for unemployment. Do we know where the payouts are going to ? Is there a site where we can monitor the activity of government funds or should we wait for a canadian AIG. We receive it and they take it back. Lookout for a sympathetic increase to the merged taxes.
This is all so depressing.


Che
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How about some rollbacks on those "retention bonuses" that crept into past police and fireman collective agreements and have expanded like the pine beetle into BC's forests. How many laid off workers and even autoworkers want to become policemen and firemen now? There is no need for these retention bonus' and they threaten the collective agreement process if left unchecked. Try this instead of not increasing the min wage.


Nuclear power for Ont
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It's interesting that the Ontario Premier says we need to catch up to 130 other countries, we need to reduce taxes, we need, we need. Just one question: what the hell have you been doing for the past 4 years? Delaying the min wage increase only hurts the most vulnerable of our society who need it most. Is this man in a time warp?


George
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I agree with Mark, we the educated professionals are always getting screwed by governments as we are made to pay more taxes.

We need more disposable income, not raising minimum wage, or adding more taxes.

Canadians are too busy working to pay their bills, and spend whatever time they have with their families then to fight our corrupt governments which is an organized crime at the highest.

We need a new party of the people, for the people. Non of those jacka$$es that only care about getting in power. Listen to them in parliament, instead of working together for the goodness of Canada, they bicker and argue like school children. This country is getting worst every year.

We need to SPEAK UP and fight back for our rights.





Scott
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All I can say is Thank you Dalton!
Thank you for helping to increase minimum wages so that I could shut the doors to my business (which was a restaurant/bar)! I was a small biz in Northern Ontario that USED to employ 30 ppl., but with the wage hikes, I could no longer afford to make a profit and payroll.
I'M GLAD THAT I MOVED OUT OF McGuintey's ONTARIO so that I could open a biz somewhere else!

Doug BC ... you hit the nail on the head with your comment!





LF
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This man is an idiot. Raise taxes, give a little bit back, don't raise minimum wage and then expext people to spend. Wow! No wonder Liberals are popular. All part of the simulus package?


Ki-Som Victoria BC
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So typical, of every provincial government, raise taxes but not raise wages. Make everything more expensive, yet the average citizen will have to continue to do the difficult balance of basic living. What a shame, that we live in a country that people actually have to do that.


Gail (Hamilton)
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McGinty's statement "we need to catch up to the other 130 countries" says it all. We're just following the global trend. Only government, unions, and their cronies will prosper.


Sean in London
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If this is the best solution our Liberal Government can come up with to help struggling families in this time of economic mayhem then it's definitely time to turf them out and elect a new Government. Yesterday they announced they will be taxing many more essential items that were not taxed previously, and then today they announce they will not give the poorest paid workers in our province a much needed raise to their pitiful minimum wage. I noticed not so much of even a mention to those on disability pensions. Premier, if we made as much money as you and other Government workers we wouldn't be worried, but we simply don't. Far too many of us are single parents with one paycheck and far too many of us don't receive a living wage as it is. You are creating misery, not solutions. Time to pack up and go.


FEDUP
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How can we spend money that none of us have? Our gas is already over priced, so are heating costs, so is everything else in this God forsaken country. To be honest I was born and raised here and I am truly growing to hate living here.


John Black, Ontario
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Is this individual for real? ............ this is the guy who recently "Awarded" himself a 25% increase in his already generous salary and advocates giving an Industry that pays its workers obscene Rates of Pay and rewards Incompetance at Executive level Billions of Dollars of taxpayers monies! .......... this individual and his whole regime needs to be swepted into political oblivion because he seems intent on pouring the low paid, the seniors and the vulnerable into the Abyss ........


Rick
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What a farce
We're going to give families $1,000.00 to cope with any difficulties on tha tax hike.
well lets see where that will get you.
some math on just 1 item that will increase because of this, gasloine, the one everyone already loves.
Average gas use at 1 litre per 12 km.
average km's driven per year 20,000. thus 1670 litres.
If gas is $1.00 per liter, it will become $1.08 (for easy math) thus $134 more on gas alone.
Now add in your heat bill, your electric bill, most goods or services that you spend your hard earned money on, and that $1,000.00 won't last the first year.


ik
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I agree that we can't afford the minimum wage to go up at this time, but I think it is hight time that all public employees, including MPs and MPPs take a a pay cut. I also believe the pensions need to be renegotiated. Nobody in the private sector retires like the public employees. We have to work until we drop. Retiring at 65 in the private sector is history.


Mike from Toronto
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What McGuinty needs to do to save the Ontario economy is slash corporate taxes across the board, not just in selected sectors. We need to attract new businesses and create jobs!


bobbert
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We're getting exactly what we voted for from the Liberals. Raise our taxes, raise min wage. Remember last min wage increase? The next day the price of your coffee went up!! Thanks Dalton.


Linda in Vancouver
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To some extent,I agree with BC Doug.If McGuinty is really concerned about low wage earners,why doesn't he find ways to lower their taxes by an amount equal to the proposed wage hike.By raising their wages he risks big job losses in small businesses who are just getting by now.
Is he simply raising the wages so he can collect even more taxes so he can then turn around and send out even more cheques in the form of social programs??
I also agree with "canada cannot afford----" to a certain extent.But only if workers and low income people get lower taxes and lower costs in lieu of wage increases.
As an export nation,we must think beyond our own borders.
To people who want to earn more money,I wonder how many have considered upgrading their skill sets.It's a bit disingenous to take a Mc-job to get started in life,and then expect your employer to raise your wages so you can be closer to those who educated themselves,and took on more difficult work.
THe problem with unions and socialist is,that they believe we should all make the same.Our union pushes that mentality because "we all shop in the same stores and pay the same prices".
Nonsense.You work harder or educate yourself more,I believe you should earn more.PERIOD.


fish_fish
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Given the poor economy, Ontario government should delay this year's scheduled hike in minimum wage.


dar in ontario
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If it is such a drain on small business owners, maybe they should put the bums behind the counter and do the work themselves. Especially, the ones that want to stay open on holidays and force people to work who would like to have time with their families. The owners are at home with their families on these days. The cost of rent in this provence being what it is, I don't think 10.00 is too much to ask.
Pity we as voters can't put wage reductions on the public workers and politicians, lets claw them back to 8 years ago wages, and cut their benifits. Our family recently took a 10% cut in pay and every holiday monday we must take a friday off without pay.


Mark
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All of this goes to show that those of use that work hard, go to school, attend and graduate from post-graduate education and develop a professional career-will continue to be screwed by the government.

Households earning less than $160K will get a rebate of 'up to $1000' but those of us who have EARNED more get squat-and will continue to subsidize the rest.

In the Federal Republic of Ontario and more specifically in Toronto if you work hard and earn a decent income it is now 'government policy' to re-distribute my income to everyone else.

I work harder, pay more tax and yet receive progressively LESS for my increasing tax dollars. The left-leaning province of Ontario (because that's what it's become) will tell me that it's my 'duty' to re-distribute any of my income.

Saskatchewan and Alberta are looking more attractive every day.


Taylor
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Everytime the NPD raised the minimum wage here in BC all the restaurants came out with new menu's and, suprise suprise, new higher prices.

Businesses don't pay higher wages, the consumer does.

Since consumer spending needs to get going again, raising the minimum wage is counterproductive as consumers will continue to pull back on spending as prices increase. Ergo, staff will be let go as customers stay away.

The Minimum wage is just that, a start, not a wage people should choose to live on. If they chose to stay on for $8 an hour, that is their choice.


Joyce
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Jim in the Kawarthas, I agree with you that these people are trying to keep their heads above water.

I would like to add that the increases to the Public Sector comes out of the Taxes the Taxpayer pays.

The 100.000 plus of Public workers whom MCQuinty has increased on, comes out of the Private Sector,who are the Private Businesses and the Individual Taxpayers who foot the Bill.

I would think the Minimum wage earner who wants to be independant and put food on the table, are they not also worthy of an increase that McQuinty gave themselves and those in the Public Sector.


Jackie
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Those were my thoughts too, Pete. It is okay to add extra expenses(harmonized tax) but minimum wage earners do not deserve the raise. These people are the working poor. Try living on $350. per week or heaven forbid you would lose that minimum wage job and have to collect ei at 55% of that weekly wage. Welfare recipients get more.


Matt
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It's interesting that even some people making minimum wage realize that increasing it will cost jobs.

Why did it take so long for Dalton to clue in?

Not increasing minimum wage next year isn't going to help us through the next 12 months.

He should have delayed/canceled the hike to $9.50 months ago. Unfortunately it's too late now.


Cut the workers wages to zero dollars, zero cents.
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Then business can prosper.

Maybe.




Pete
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Greg, I understand that businesses are having trouble now. But you must agree that people who are employed need to have sufficient wage coming in, to afford to buy products from those companies. My point was that without a notable increase in the minimum wage, people are just going to save what they can and avoid buying anything extra.


Dennis
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The minimum wage has been increased too rapidly and should be freezed for at least 2 years under current poor economy. Dalton's comment cannot help the business. I don't see Dalton can form any policy to lead Ontario manufacturing effectively. The minimum wage is higher than other provinces and higher than US, acrossed the border. Manufacturing is cutting more and more headcounts. Some of them are moving operation back to US. Even China is reconsidering the mimimum wage at this moment and may keep it lower and allow more people to share the work at a lower pay. Less earning is still better than no earning after you spent all money from getting EI. Under current poor economy is still proceed the increase of mimimum wage is killing more jobs. Dalton and his team should open the window and see the real world.


Christine
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I know as a small business owner teedering on the brink of closure.. the only thing a raise in minimum wage will do at this present time is close us permanently... then we all will be out of jobs.


Richard
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Well you could own a small business in Manitoba where the minimum wage will increase twice this year: May 1st to 8.75 and also October 1st to 9.00. The good news is that the NDP will never be given the opportunity to wreak havoc on the national economy. The bad news is they seem to be entrenched in Manitoba!


Joyce
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I gather only those in the Public sector and those in the Provincial Legislature, which means those the Taxpayers elect to serve them, are in for increases in Salaries but not the people, many of whom are dependant on the minimum wage jobs, are not.

Is this what Premier McQuinty is saying.

Seems to me a lot of these people are desperately trying to be independant, but McQuinty is denying them not to be.

Rewarding the Public Sector with an increase for those in Public Service, does not cut it especially when Premier McQuinty favours the Public Sector over those who are in the Private Service Sector and not for the people who hold jobs elsewhere on a minimum wage,when things they buy, for instance food, are also creeping up and up and eventually are out of reach for them to buy.



Jim in the Kawarthas
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the minimum wage was going up to help fight child poverty by allowing families to survive.
I know that currently the economy is the issue - but then much of that is based on over inflated labour costs fueled by big labour's demands, and their expectations.
When the new Toyota plant was mentioned in the news it was stated that their workers had lower wage - and I don't think we heard huge complaints.
The increase of the minimum wage will help those without access to a "big brother" to help them get what's needed, and also helps the most vulnerable.


Doug BC
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I'm of mixed feelings on this one.While I hate to see anyone mired in poverty,it's true that spiraling wages that are not supported by an increase in productivity,are a big drain on our economy.
If those working for a minimum wage of $8.00 per hour get a raise to $9.00 then the person who wa already at $9.00 then wants $10.00,and on and on.Before we know it,the cost of making anything is so high that we can't export our products,and the economy stumble to a point where there are no jobs.
My theory is,that we need more "disposable" dollars more than we just need higher wages.If I get a $1.00 wage hike,I only get to keep about 75 cents.If I get a $1.00 tax cut,or a $1.00 decrease on my energy bill,I get to keep $1.00.
If I was king of Canada,I would push for lower taxes so people could keep more of the money they earn.AND,I would push for lower energy prices for Canadians.As we lower debt,we could afford to take taxes off of the oil and energy we use here.That would put dollars in our pockets without raising wages,and it would be a huge competetive advantage for industries in Canada.We might actually be able to manufacture in Ontario with out Trudeau's policy to steal the resources of energy producing provinces.
It's not so much that our wages are to low,it's more about how much of that money government lets us keep,and at what level of income that taxation begins.


Terry Sinclair Toronto
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Perfect the poorest of the nation is responsible for the recovery of the nation. After all it is their fault that the economy is as bad as it is (because they don't spend enough money to stimulate the economy). That burden is left on the shoulders of the rich and our politicians. (The above comments expressed are meant to be sacrcastic)


lucas in brantford
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"Workers must cut their excessive wage demands" Were not talking about auto workers here, were talking about the poorest of the poor who work their tails of to serve your coffee and pack your groceries for companies making massive profits. Asking to make $10.25 is not an excessive demand. Yes it does get dicey with self owned buisness who are not making excessive profits, but again why should those workers not be getting fairly compensated? Your right it is excessive. Lets start the race to the bottom. Lets go down to $6.00/hr and everyone can have a job


Rickinclayton
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It's so easy for McGuinty to delay a wage hike as it is so easy for him to create a taxe hike, I guess liike all politicians, nothing balances.


Greg (Ottawa)
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Pete,

Businesses are having a lot of trouble during this economic downturn. If they can't afford to do business, they'll close shop. Would you rather lose some money or lose your job? I know I'd rather lose a few bucks.


Joyce
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I guess the Service Industry, which include those working in Stores and Restaurants etc. according to McQuinty do not deserve a decent wage, but when it comes to the public Service, i.e. those in the Ontario Legislature and those in the Public Sectors deserve a raise, but this means no to the Service Industries and those who depend on a paycheque in these and other areas which are on a minimum wage do not.
A lot of these people are dependant on that paycheque, and now McQuinty is denying them there livelyhood. Are they not also susceptible to the Economic downturn, and do they not have to pay extra when there are increases to things they buy.


Matt
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This wage hike is good news. This will help those families that can't put food on the table. However, it does have its drawbacks. Many companies that pay minimum wage are known for their cheapness and scroogness, this will only mean cut hours and cut jobs for these workers. It's really sad when you work for a company that makes millions and millions of dollars of profit every year, if not billions and that company is too cheap to pay it's workers anything but a few cents over minimum wage.


Julius in Hamilton
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Good. I work in retail, and especially the way the economy is right now, you're going to see a lot of lost jobs in retail because of hike going through on Wednesday. The hike is too much too fast, and businesses won't be able to keep up.


Canada cannot afford this crazy wage spiral.
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Alberta's minimum wage increases to $8.80 per hour on April 1, 2009.


Workers must cut their excessive wage demands. Only then can Canada have prosperity. Yeah, that's the ticket.






Pete
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At this time it's not okay to add to the minimum wage, but it is okay to add extra taxes to products people need to buy everyday. Give your head a shake Dalton, and wake up to the reality of life. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.


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