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Date: Thu. Sep. 18 2008 7:52 PM ET
The son of a woman whose death last month was linked to the nationwide listeriosis outbreak is calling for the firing of Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz.
Dennis Schroh's mother, Elizabeth Schroh, died on Aug. 24 at the age of 82. She was a resident of a nursing home located in the riding Ritz represents as a member of Parliament.
Schroh told The Canadian Press he was upset when he found out that Ritz had joked about the deadly outbreak during a conference call with scientists and political officials just six days after his mother's death.
In that conference call, Ritz said he hoped the Prince Edward Island victim of a deadly listeriosis outbreak was Liberal agriculture critic Wayne Easter.
Ritz also said: "This is like a death by a thousand cuts. Or should I say cold cuts."
At the time, 12 people had died from the outbreak, including Elizabeth Schroh. At least 17 deaths have been linked to the Listeria outbreak.
"It's something a person should not be saying at this time at all. It's not a joke," Schroh said from his home in Swift Current, Sask., on Thursday. "I mean I wouldn't say that about anybody."
It has not yet been determined whether listeriosis was an underlying or contributing factor in Elizabeth Schroh's death, as she was also suffering from a blood disorder.
Nevertheless, her son says he's convinced it was what killed her and put her through an agonizing death.
"I never want anybody to see somebody die like that again in my life," Dennis Schroh said. "The way she was wailing and flinging her arms and everything else. It was pain. Nobody should go through this again. Simple as that.
"I wouldn't wish it on anybody."
He said it's now up to the leader of the Conservatives to fix what has happened, since Schroh doesn't believe the apology Ritz issued was sincere.
"If Harper is the right kind of person to run this country, he's got to do the right thing and get rid of this minister. Simple as that," Schroh said. "There's no doubt about it in my mind. It is going to affect the outcome of the election.
Union alleges food safety cuts
The fallout from Ritz's comments came on the same day a public-sector union alleged that a re-elected federal Conservative government would pull out of meat inspection programs in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and British Columbia.
According to the Public Service Alliance of Canada, a secret report from the Treasury Board of Canada released this past May proposed that they could save $3 million by cutting federal meat inspection programs.
Patty Ducharme is the union's national executive vice-president. She told The Canadian Press that if a re-elected Tory government makes the proposed cuts, consumers would be the ones who pay.
"Meat produced in provincially registered facilities would not be inspected," Ducharme said. "Under this type of a scenario, consumers would have to count on the fact that producers would produce their products in a fashion that ensures their safety."
Harper sticks by Ritz
Conservative Leader Stephen Harper stood by his embattled agriculture minister Thursday despite the growing chorus for his resignation over controversial remarks he made about the deadly Listeria crisis.
On Thursday, Harper said Ritz recognizes the comments were "completely insensitive and unacceptable."
He said Ritz was under a lot of stress at the time and the comments aren't indicative of his performance as a minister.
"I think this story is obviously very embarrassing for him, very unfortunate. But it shouldn't detract from the good work that he has done to get on top and to understand this matter, to improve the system and to communicate publicly with Canadians and to make sure government officials are all doing their jobs," Harper said.
"It's obviously embarrassing but he's been doing a good job on this file and I applaud him for apologizing completely and forthright."
News broke Wednesday that Ritz had made the comments during the call with scientists, bureaucrats and political staff.
Later that night he made a public apology and called Easter to explain what he had said, and offer him a personal apology.
On Thursday, Easter said the remarks were callous and insensitive, but he didn't demand the minister's resignation over the comments about himself.
Instead, Easter said he wants Ritz to resign over what he said is his general poor performance in the job.
Easter called for Ritz's resignation several weeks ago over his handling of the Listeria outbreak, which was linked to a Maple Leaf Foods meat processing plant north of Toronto.
"We still stand by that resignation call but it's not related to this comment about myself. So we want to go to the performance of the minister and not politicize this particular issue because this call for his resignation was made prior to the election call," Easter told CTV's Canada AM.
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion said Harper had no choice but to take "responsibility" and fire Ritz.
New Democrat Leader Jack Layton has also demanded Ritz's resignation.
A spokesperson for the Prime Minister's Office said Ritz expressed his regret to Stephen Harper on Wednesday, but there was no suggestion of his resignation.
"A resignation was not offered, nor was one asked for," PMO spokesperson Kory Teneycke said.
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Sterling
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paul - brantford
said
He needs to go.
David from the west
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Jerry O'Connor
said
He has confirmed to all that he is no better then the next when give a chance to shut off his mouth.
This opposition critic has publicly stated that the comment was in bad taste and inappropriate to which no one in their right mind will deny. Further to his comment, he stated he accepted the apology from the minister in question.
What proves to everybody that this Liberal critic minister is no better then the rest is that although he stated that no humour should be attached to such comments, he went further to say that if those comments had been directed to him in private by the person who said them of him, he would have accepted the humour as it was intended!
Either these comments were in bad taste and inappropriate or they weren't! Which is it as this liberal opposition critc cannot have it both ways. Why should it be "inappropriate when said "publicly" but "approriate" according to his follow up comments....when said in private.
What hypocrites these politicians really are (the party makes no difference) and obviously are always ready to sacrifice one of their own even as they fail miserably in attempting to take advantage of a gift handed to them.
Perhaps Stephen Harper is absolutely bang on the money when he advises his ministers to keep their mouths shut.
Stephane Dion ought to do the same of his own party for his own critic opposition minister has proven this to be the case. Easter just plain blew it because he did not know when to shut up.
Paul - Orillia
said
Do you really feel death is a joke.
Think about it!!!!!!!!!
Jon Penner
said
But frankly, how is this important? Does the fact that a conservative engaged in gallows humour make me willing to pay more tax? Should it convince me that the liberals are better on the enviroment? Does it mean that liberals have better plan for child care? Does it show that the liberal plan for health care is superior? NO!! None of these issues are answered by this witch hunt.
I find that the fact the liberals are making this an issue at all more digusting thatn the comments themselves. The more that issues like this dominate the political arena in this country, the less interseted I voting I become. I suspect this true of many others in this country. Politics should be a contest of ideas, not name calling. Unless the Dion and the liberals are ready to pormise that they will fire any cabinet minister who says something stupid (something they have not done in the past, ie Hedy Fry) they should shut up and move on and talk about their plans for the country.
Donavan in Edmonton
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my take on this
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Canada should move on and leave Steve and his reformer friends in the dust.
lowell
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Paul in BC
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Our sympathies to Dennis Schroh and all the other families whose relatives suffered a horrible disease.
Trevor, Medicine Hat
said
If this is the best piece of Ammo that the Left-Wing Parties can Launch at the Tories, perhaps they should just Admit that Now is a good time for a Tory Majority.
The Man said he is sorry, had he had known how severe the outbreak was to become, I'm sure his words would have been choosen more carefully. Lets move on.
Jerry Prager
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Phil FOLTINEK
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DM in SK
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Shaking my head in disbelief
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It is absolutely AMAZING to me how the obvious conservatives on here are minimizing this and saying let it go. The ultimate in hypocritical!!
Several have mentioned how if/when the liberals made comments or whatever, they didn't necessarily fire the person and although I don't know the specific people/charges they are referring to, I would be willing to bet it all on the fact that conservatives were calling for heads and resignations at the time. But now that the tables are turned, he apologized - it's Ok. Unreal.
C'mon people - EVERY party makes mistakes but it is in the way they are handled that tells the most!!!
Not sure who to vote for but more and more of this type of attitude and arrogance from the conservative party and their supporters - looking more like it will be a "ABC' vote!!!
rd
said
Harper should fire this incompetent person PRONTO!!!!
what is wrong with these peolpe ???Is there no decent persons left to work in the gouvernment???
See where we the Joes an Janes are apathic voters
Nicolle
said
Dennis you have experienced the tragic death of your mother and that must have been very emotionally painful for you. And still is I am sure.
While you were experiencing the death of your mother other families were also grieving for their loved one. A lot of people were turning towards the government with critics, question..you name it. The comments made Mr. Ritz was probably meant to ease the tension on this whole ordeal. And yes it was and is death by the cold cuts!!!...what else should we call it? Death by Maple Leaf!! Would that eased the pain you have in your heart...I don't think so.
I am sure by his comments Mr. Ritz tried to ease the tension just leave at that. They say what goes around comes around..so if you create grief you'll only collect grief. Wouldn't you feel better spending time, honoring your mother's life and the good memories you have of her instead of loosing your time on Mr. Ritz
Rick
said
Maybe the voters in his riding can be the ultimate disiplinarians in this case.
pamela G
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Victor Fernandes
said
There don't seem to be an end to the Consevatives insensivity to the public sentiment & etiquete.
We don't even see this in the American elections, these guys deseve to be boothed out.
Chris
said
Here is a list of some of the screw up’s the Conservatives have made during their short time in office.
Agriculture minister Gerry Ritz makes jokes about the listeriosis outbreak that has been linked to the deaths of 17 Canadians, wishing a recent death was Liberal MP Wayne Easter.
They attempted to bribe an MP to vote their way (Chuck Cadman).
They fired a nuclear watchdog for doing her job when she closed the Chalk River plant.
They ignored Elections Canada rules.
The canceled the access to information database (not very transparent).
They slip up and leak information which had effects on the Democratic nomination (the so called empty threats on the free trade agreement).
A Con MP (Maxime Bernier) leaves classified information at his girlfriend’s house who has ties to the underworld.
They cut arts funding and try to control what art will be created.
They cut back on federal inspections of meat plants and as a result listeriosis from Maple Leaf meat is released to the public.
They have done nothing for the environment.
They are sending Canada into a massive debt.
They are an embarrassment on the world stage.
No wonder Harper muzzles his MP’s from granting interviews!
Seems the rose coloured glasses block the brain from seeing issues from all elected , from every party.
Every thing mentioned has happened before in previous goverments, but then it was not a big issue, just a mistake. It goes all ways.
Grow up, and move on to the real issues that need debate.
Linda in Vnacouver
said
In this case,it looks like a political game more than anything else.People who support opposition parties thik he should go,people who lean towards the government do not.Political correctness seems to be at play because there doesn;'t seem to be anybody suggesting this outbreak was his fault in any way.
As to how long it took to get it tracked down,one only needs to look south for a comparison.It's taken months for the FDA to track down a salmonella outbreak,and they're still not sure if they found the source.
Of course condolances are due the families of victims of this bacteria.But we all know that nothing will bring them back.So,unless there is a very blatant case of negligence,or a criminal act here,firing someone would be more about politics or revenge than any real effort towards justice.
Saira
said
Ritz said a very stupid and cold thing, and should be fired because of it. People DIED because of listeriosis, if you haven't noticed...
Linda Regina, Saskatchewan
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Bill
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Not one of them ! We need a real change.
Larry
said
When some one verbally hurts some one and apologizes for what they have said, it makes for a better world when the apology is accepted and we move on. The person who can't accept the apology, is only hurting themselves from that point on.
But then you have the news media that will not let the matter end peacefully because the more they stir the pot the more the hate and anger grows. The media likes this and it shows on the faces of the reporters.
It would be nice to have an election without the media sensationalizing every tid bit that happens. Give Canada an election that is clear of mud slinging.
Rick
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sms
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Conservatives classified all liberals as liars and thieves. Questioned their integrity at every turn and still do years after. So this move on talk and cut some slack is very out of step and hypocritical.
Don't like whats happening and the lack of support ? Live with it because what goes around comes around.
Roedy Green
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He should resign because:
1. He twice mislead the public on the state of the Listeria problem.
2. He risked Canadian lives by pulling inspectors, contrary to what the auditor general recommended.
3. fooling around with political optics while Listeria raged.
M.M.
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Karen
said
This incident occured several weeks ago and was strategically released to the media at this time. Doesn't anyone else see that the Liberals/NDP aren't really ALL THAT outraged!?! This is just a tool they are using to sway voters during the election. To use the suffering of others like this for political gain makes me ill. Shame on you!
Didn't the Liberals have some big news to release today? Why am I not hearing about that? Why am I hearing nothing but yesterday's news instead of real information that will help me decide which party platform I most support?
Drew
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Mike in Ontario
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Linda Simard Regina, Saskatchewan
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Ellie
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davidovich
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At first I was outraged by the joke, now I'm starting to laugh my head off. It grows more and more funny with each listening.
I'm starting to think this Gerry Ritz guy should be a comedian.
iskewa
said
If they get a majority in this country...it shows me that this COUNTRY is worse off than Haiti. Maybe Harper will start looking into our eyes and show compassion. I can't believe I live in a country where MY government makes light and then explains away MY people dying.
I feel like screaming!
Eliz
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Fair is fair
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Bruce from Cambridge
said
Liberals quit your fake outrage and stick to the Green Shaft.
spencer
said
Does anyone out there think the minister should personally scrub meat cutters ????
But then the old ways of the LIBERALS would have someone out for a photo op, so they could pretend to be at the helm.
Just proves the opposition has nothing to talk about
mazman in mazatlan
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Greg in the Hammer
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A bureaucrat leaks remarks made in private by the minister at a conference call and now all hell breaks loose.
Were the remarks in bad taste? Sure. But I understand black humour under duress which is surely what Mr Ritz was feeling. Which illuminates the seriousness with which he takes his job.
I find it typical of this current crop of Liberals to rather than highlight what they would do in place of the current policies on food inspection, resort to catcalls and accusations, and shrill calls for a public inquiry to yet waste more of our money.
They MUST resort to such tactics to deflect attention from the fact that they have no policy platform in this election other than to tax Canadians into oblivion.
Maple Leaf Foods, in conjunction with the government acted exactly as they should have in this instance. Listeria is everywhere in the environment and the conditions that resulted in the crisis just past could have happened at any time in the last 20 years.
Lets move on.
Layton (not Jack) in Moncton
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Ms. L.
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Moreover, blaming the incident on people consuming "too much processed food" smacks of blaming the victims.
Les
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There are NO FREE LUNCHES
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Did I mention Harper paid down YOUR national debt by $40 billion saving the next generation countless dollars in interest and the NDP called that irresponsible?
There is only one who fits that category:
Prime Minister Steven Harper.
The lefties will promise the moon and anything else you want. It's easy to promise the sky when you are NOT in power and only hope to be.
It's another thing to follow through on promises... which is why the Prime Minister who understands the flow of government is making measured incremental policy adjustments and announcements not crazy wholesale sweeping mega taxation statements like Dion and Layton are.
I like the way Canada is going now and am not prepared to sacrifice it for the likes of Jack Layton's far out policies nor Stephane Dion's socialistic policies.
Socialists promise free lunches but real life teaches people over time that there are NO FREE LUNCHES. NO EXCEMPTIONS.
It's nice to dream but somebody has to pay and when it comes to elections that means YOU PAY.
They promise, you pay...
Where's the free lunch for you?
dina
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tabbylovers
said
just like when someone switched from pc to liberal.
he said he would never allow it .
then when liberal switched to pc, he didnt do a thing,
Harper is 2 faced
Melissa - Ontario
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Peak Oil
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paul
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Anite
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On another note, if people didn't consume so much "processed" foods, maybe an outbreak of Listeriosis wouldn't have happened. When you put unatural products in food, you are bound to have a problem. After years of consumption and NO other outbreaks, I would say that the Inspectors are doing a pretty good job. This is a naturally occuring bacteria people!! In almost ALL cases it is NOT fatal. It's like Salmonella - sometimes you get something bad. There is no blame here, just unfortunate.
Go Cons Go!!!
Lart from Above
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Ms. L.
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And the comments here passing it off as no big deal are further shameful. What if it was a member of YOUR family?
Tom Hawley
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Yes ,politicians have made mistakes and some will continue to say things that should not be said.
It is interesting how some people are relating incidents from previous decades to what what said by Ritz to justify his comments.
When there is wrong some people will try to justify the wrongs by pointing the finger at another issue as to say he/she did this,did that therefore it is okay.
Well it is not!
The people who are supporting Ritz must not have been affected by death or sickness by a loved one.
And yes, he should be fired.It is one thing for an everday person (not that it is okay) to make a comment but to have someone on the world political stage is another.
Ms. L.
said
people who make tasteless and/or inapproprate comments! This is HIS party.
Take for example Cheryl Gallant comparing a beheading of an American to abortion. Or how about Rob Anders' views on Nelson Mandela - a "communist" and "terrorist". Do I even need to mention the comments that have been made by Stockwell, Myron Thompson, and Art Hanger among others?
Seriously people, I don't like the way these people think. It's humiliating for Canada to have our leaders and politicians speaking in such a way. The stuff some of them have said is truly disturbing. This is just one more on a long list. Doubt it? Run a search for "In their own words".
PM Harper should have more common sense than to keep people around with this kind of mentality.
Peter
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Ricardo
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To Liebrals and NoDamPrinciples
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2) This wasn't a public statement; it was a conference call - a PRIVATE communicatio.Again nice try.
3) He was referring to his pain politcal counterpart in the Liberal party - fair game to take a shot...
You lamers waste your time playing immature political "gotcha" games over nothing.
Josh
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Nancy
said
Politicians' apologies mean NOTHING to me. They only apologize when they are caught and all they do is read a well-scripted apology written by someone else. SHAME.
Al from Sask
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Kelly Rae
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Shawn Holden
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Brent
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Ann
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Ken - Calgary
said
And people think he can be trusted with a majority?
At least Dion has class. Unlike Harper, Dion never would have tolerated this.
GTA
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MS
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PGriffin
said
Morons? Sir. While I don't agree fully with your opinion l will defend your right to say it with my life.
john
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Jay Jay
said
Agriculture minister Gerry Ritz makes jokes about the listeriosis outbreak that has been linked to the deaths of 17 Canadians, wishing a recent death was Liberal MP Wayne Easter.
They attempted to bribe an MP to vote their way (Chuck Cadman).
They fired a nuclear watchdog for doing her job when she closed the Chalk River plant.
They ignored Elections Canada rules.
The canceled the access to information database (not very transparent).
They slip up and leak information which had effects on the Democratic nomination (the so called empty threats on the free trade agreement).
A Con MP (Maxime Bernier) leaves classified information at his girlfriend’s house who has ties to the underworld.
They cut arts funding and try to control what art will be created.
They cut back on federal inspections of meat plants and as a result listeriosis from Maple Leaf meat is released to the public.
They have done nothing for the environment.
They are sending Canada into a massive debt.
They are an embarrassment on the world stage.
No wonder Harper muzzles his MP’s from granting interviews!
Peak Oil
said
Greg
said
The people who are insensitive are the ones who leaked the information and those such as Layton and Dion who talk about it at every chance making sure that everyone who has been affected hears these same remarks.
Layton and Dion should be ashamed and they should resign for their insensitivity.
Tori
said
How many of you tell racial or fat jokes?
How many of you make fun of the disabled or slow?
How many look at the old couple down the street and mock their ways.
Yes it was a careless thing to say at a most difficult time. We lost people in this country all because of a mistake made by an employee of a meat packing plant.
The minister has apologized. I am sure he realized his mistake as soon as it came out of his mouth. I bet the ones listening to that conversation either laughed or did all they could not to.
It is human nature to try and find the funny side of something that disturbs or upsets us.
I say, get on with the election, there are bigger and better problems a simple slip of the tongue is not a reason to fire someone.
I would rather hear of health care, improved working conditions, improved welfare system, proper education, more schools and most of all a way to regulate the oil and gas industry so we are not sticker shocked every time we go to the pumps.
MuskyBuck
said
18 FREAKING CANADIANS DIED YOU MORONS!!
This isn't an issue of someone getting bad gas from a piece of baloney.
18 people have died because the meat company they purchased product from no longer needed to use government inspectors.
This because the Harper Government changed the rules so Maple Leaf could just hire someone to do the job.
Much cheaper and easier to control.
And the same government that is responsible for allowing the inspection process to fail....OBVIOUSLY....is now cracking jokes about it.
And you people sit here and defend that by telling the rest of us that this is no big deal...it's just a joke, lighten up.
Are you serious!? Is this the type of governance you think Canadians deserve?
A government that will cut and slash rules for production and import of material to benefit their corporate buddies?
And in the light of 18 deaths following this decision,,...jokes??????
What the heck is the matter with you people? I don't care if they're Conservative, Liberal, NDP or the Hula Party.
This is bush league and most of the comments here defending the jokes and policy made are even scarier.
If we don't demand better, then we get what we ask for and it will be your mother eating something next year that dies.
Just remember to lighten up about it.
NEdwards
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Drew
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Robert
said
The problem is Harper has only loyalty to his part not to Canadians as a WHOLE. Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz has been a disgrace. His lack of sensitivity is only the last nail in his coffin. Harpers' CONservative only care about themselves first, big business F**k buddies second and third getting re-elected at any cost in any way. Canadians don't matter to Harper. We are only a means to an end to satisfy his ambition.
Stop him NOW.
ABC
AB Harper
Gerald from Belleville
said
However, firing him is too much. He should be formally reprimanded, and that should be the end of that with regards to those comments. Perhaps he should be forced to attend a sensitivity and harassment seminar. However, his electors should reconsider their position and if they feel it is too big a deal. They can exercise their power as citizens and not elect him in the upcoming election. Democracy at work.
People here seem shocked by the comments. Get over yourselves...you've probably said bad things too at one time or another. Death of a thousand cold cuts is quite the clever word play, and somewhat funny. Get over it. Hang around a police station, a hospital, or a morgue long enough and see how many horrible jokes are made in a day. People use humor to diffuse tension and stress: I'd rather someone make a few inappropriate jokes to keep his wits about him than someone who never cracks a joke but screws up all the time.
I'd rather a minister throw a bad joke than a prime minister who chokes a man, thereby committing assault as defined in the Criminal Code, and then gets the charges magically dismissed despite it being witnessed by many and caught on tape.
JPL
said
Steve Daly, Mississauga
said
From the Liberal Canadian Dictionary:
Responsibility: slang; When applied to a Liberal Government, the act of a Minister to fall on his pension and be assigned a high-paying job at another location in the public trough. A form of reward.
When applied to other political parties it is used to discredit opponents and gain political traction for Canada's Natural Governing Party. In order to take maximum advantage, calls for 'responsibility' should be made early and often.
iskewa, ottawa
said
If a man is appointed to a position of responsibility he must ensure that everything said, especially in a meeting involving the strategy for stopping the avoidable deaths of the people who elected him in.
Yet another reason to vote the other way.
What a useless exercise this quasi-democracy is!
JPL
said
The conservatives cannot be trusted. They DO have hidden agendas.
Andrew
said
Humour during such inappropriate times can be a way of dealing with the situation at hand. A way of reducing the stress to better handle the situation.
The comments were not appropriate. That does not mean there was malicious intent.
Off With His Head?
said
George Grimes
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Laurel
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Frank
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Sam
said
They are still human, and everyone makes mistakes.
It is only since the Liberals have not been a majority that they cry for resignations at any minor infraction (the exception being Bernier).
It used to be that it was a MAJOR, serious issue when someone called for the resignation of a minister.
The Liberals have completely destroyed any credibility of that call for resignation, abusing it making it a complete joke, just like they made the committee on supposed "In & out" schemes of the Conservatives.
The liberals are a joke, and everyone needs to lighten up a bit.
COnsider this - Media makes fun of the outbreak and its funny, but a cabinet minister does it and he should be fired?
david
said
We are interested in serious issues, not tabloid junk
jimmy
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jack
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Ginger
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Diane
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FreakAlert
said
Sal - sarcastically
said
OH NO, WILL I GET FIRED NOW!
FreakAlert
said
Although I am conservative at heart, I would vote for the NDP. And, why not!
Seriously. Elected officials should not receive generous pensions.
Tania
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Alicia
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Earl in arnprior
said
The remarks about the lesterios although tasteless and in poor judgement is getting blown way out of proportion as do many unfortunate comments made by party representatives during elections . There can be no simple explanation or apology offered that does not carry some political price . Even a harmless pun made during a conference call can be used as moral ammunition by opponents and the press.
I wonder if anyone really thought what the victims of the lesterios outbreak feel about being fodder for the election campaign ? Some things are better dealt with in a more tactful setting . I wonder which is worse , being the subject of an uncouthe pun or having your misfortune trotted out and used for the political gain . Not much doubt the victims here lose either way as politicians use them for ammunition in their mud slinging contest .I think maybe the politicians should stick to the facts of the issues and not pray on the emotions of people who are suffering hardships and losses of loved ones .
Ken
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Ken New Brunswick
Sal - realistic
said
I thought the comments were funny - inappropiate in public. But lighten up Canada!
How you never said something that someone took offense to?
PGriffin
said
You know what really grinds my gears Canada? Political correctness. That's right. See, if our politicians spoke more like the rest of us when they're up there. They'd get my vote. Just because something bad happens there can always be a punchline.
To quote the great William Shatner. "get a life!"
Mark (Wellington County, ON)
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Colon
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Laurel
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Matthew, Vancouver
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np
said
No true passions from any party. The liberals were passionate about the green shift plan. Since Canadians don't see it that way it's now hushed.
The cons. T.hey were passionate about the economy and stewardship, but now it's become a mess.
The NDP I'm not sure what they were passionate about. Mr. Layton is passionate about being the PM. Good luck.
The Green Party. Their passion is a green economy. Reality is more than just one issue so they have to show their other sides which may not be so pretty.
The Bloc. Please Quebec. Get rid of them for good. They are passionate about Quebec, but it seems that Quebecors are tired of this sovereignty debate. They want to move on.
MuskyBuck
said
For a minister to 'make a joke' about 12 or 18 Canadians killed shows a lack of brain power.
And this man is the Minister of Agriculture. Should we have a minister in office that doesn't have the IQ to realize that belittling the deaths of Canadians perhaps isn't so wise?
Furthermore a minister who obviously hasn't heard the report yesterday released by the medical association in Canada that clearly shows the Harper Government is responsible for the events that lead to these deaths?
The Conservatives which most here refer to are simply the same little minded, xenophobic, racist backwater redneck group of Reformers they've always been.
Rosebud in BC
said
Secondly, the voters in Ritz's riding are the ones to fire him. People, there is an election happening! Let the voters be the boss and send a message, loud and clear on Oct. 14.
Gord
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bunny
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Scott from Thorold
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BB in B.C.
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Real Conservative
said
this is the problem of the reform party of Canada.
Instead of courage, we have excuses.
As a real conservative, this constant blather of negativity from the neotokens make me ill.
BTW, just watch our Agriculture Minister's cowardly escape from the press yesterday. Note how, moments later, he appears and reads from a sheet of paper that was clearly dictated by someone else. No apology would have been better then an insincere one...
of course, he refused to address the press like a man and,instead, beat a hasty retreat
Conservatives deserve better.
We deserve leadership, not harper and the reformer old boys club he has surrounded himself with.
We ARE better than that!
Craig in Calgary
said
I've been called a neo-con, racist, told to leave the country, bad mouthed etc. This is all because of my political views which get skewed by how people bad mouth the Conservatives.
However, I've never fired anyone for such comments nor made any complaints.
I have a thick skin and so should all of you. People talk in private. Who cares?
Caitlin
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norm Shanahan
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Respectful Mom in Manitoba
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Aaron in Toronto
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walter
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Jeff Langille
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K Murphy
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canophone
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Matt in Calgary
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May Wai
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Enough said.
Also, convenient that this comment comes out now, when we are in election time.
dulak
said
He apologized. Drop it and move on.
Gail (Hamilton)
said
This is nonsense. We live in a democracy, not a totalitarian state.
$230,000/yr for a Cabinet Minsiter like this?
said
Those 30 individuals on the line were there to try and address the problem but instead all they got was their boss making jokes. Working for the govt. doesn't make you wear the same political stripes as the MINORITY govt. so they have every right to disclose to Canadians what's really going on.
This guy gets $230,000/yr to make jokes instead of ensure the safety of our Food system???
Robin
said
Just when you thought that the CONROACHES couldn’t dig a hole even deeper than the last and then this. Am I surprised? Absolutely not. There are too many examples of their crass, insensitive, and contemptuous behaviour to cite. I believe that the majority of Canadians will not find the death of 17 human beings, through no fault of their own, to be funny or even mildly amusing. You can’t rationalize or justify the utterance of these hurtful comments unless you are a true blue CONBOT supporter. Sadly, these individuals see nothing wrong with the Minister’s remarks. What I find incredulous is that Canadians want this party to govern our country and represent our interests abroad. Shocking.
Joe Ring
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West Coast Chic
said
I couldn't have said it better. This is proof positive why I don't trust them regardless of how many sweaters they wear! Stiffy Mr. Rogers and gang must go!
Ian K
said
If we fired every politician for tasteless jokes, there'd be no politicians left at all.
Dion, Layton et al should not act so high and mighty. Have they ever told a tasteless, inappropriate joke?
Julia
said
I do not expect Ritz to step down, and would be upset if he was pushed out of the cabinet. He has been handling the recall very well.
Mike from Nanaimo
said
Do people walk around with a chip on their shoulder and wait to feel "hurt".
Life is wonderful, enjoy a laugh and be YOU. Try and be thoughtful in what you do to make this world a better place.
GTA
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Chris08
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Liana
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Doug S
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This man is really only upset because he got called on to be accountable for his comments. Believe me, he meant every word that he spoke.
Scott-Yellowknife
said
This government is doing nothing. To all those neocons out there that are over 50 ( and trust me-the majority of them are) things are changing. The youth voters of this country are not pleased. The Conservatives may win a minority government this time, but savour it. It won't last long.
These comments are totally unacceptable.
Jonny - Calgary
said
This is just rediculous. We've all made stupid comments from time to time, who hasn't? I know I'm human, are you?
Ritz appologized, what else can he really do? There are way more important issues out there then to dwell on this today. I sure question the timing of this, considering this incident took place last month!
This story is just a distraction...
I will be voting Conservative
said
I'm tired of reading this unbridled bashing and blatant lies and character assassination coming from the left wing with their twisted innuendo, slander and attacks on our Prime Minister and his team.
What has the left ever achieved in Canadian government?
NOTHING.... So what gives these noisy gongs any credibility? NOTHING. They are suffering an intellectual and political meltdown and resort to cheap bashing because they have nothing to offer Canadians.
When these people have achieved half as much as Steven Harper has done in only two years then I will listen to them - until then I intend to support the only reasonable and safe choice for Canada in this election.
Mr. Harper is our best choice in this economic storm we are facing. Radical changes to the left with their proposed sweeping, untried taxation schemes would be catastrophic and likely sink us into recession or worse.
If it ain't broke don't mess with it.
Steady as she goes.
Oggie
said
Hear No Evil,
See No Evil,
Speak No Evil
Unless of course, it's something that happened over a decade ago by another party.
arthur
said
This is an example of the way the Harper government is putting more money in the tax-payers pockets. I would rather be certain my food is safe than have the extra few cents in my pocket.
Wise Wajid ON
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John Mensink
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dawn
said
apparently you didn't read the news article about the worker from Maple Leaf Foods who said the machine in question had never been taken apart and cleaned and sanitized properly....
Kate
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Kevin in Toronto
said
See how easy it is to make an inappropriate candid remark? Liberal hypocrisy is pretty remarkable.
His apology has already been accepted. If Easter's complaint is with his job, let the electorate decide if he should be fired. Isn't that why we have elections?
spencer
said
If our elected representatives worked as hard at running the country as they do at trying to provoke/embarass one another we would all be better off.
It's a game that has gone on for decades, and will never stop.
It is a far cry from the adscam the Liberals got caught at. Just another case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Jack
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Rob
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russ
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Jack
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Vicky
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Eric
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Sam Crawford
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Minister Ritz does NOT need to resign: Jack Layton is wrong -- people did not die because of governmental mismanagement. McCain admitted the fault was Maple Leaf's, and NOT the CFA Inspectors.
The fact that ML's sanitization procedures went BEYOND the manufacturer's recommendations suggests to me that the CFA could not have prevented the outbreak.
Herb
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Shar(North Battleford)
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Rick in NB
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hollinm
said
Ritz made a couple of tasteless comments for which he has apologized. However, that's not good enough. The serious issue is what is he doing about the listeriosis outbreak? I have not seen one iota of evidence that he has not done his job. The media needs to stop with the gotcha journalism particularly as it relates to Conservatives. Layton throws out a drug taking candidate and it hardly rates a mention. Dion boots out a racist but hardly a word. Double standard; you bet.
The problem is the media are looking for these type of things because they really have no clue about policy or any real interest in covering the policy of the various parties. A good example is where are all the billions comning from to pay for these expensive promises. Anybody in the media out there interested?
Jim
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John
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winston
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Dave Williams
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Katie
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Louise
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If this is the best that can be fielded as a candidate for any party --- BOY! ARE WE IN BIG TROUBLE.
B in TO
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David in Ontario
said
This is Ritz's area of responsibility and accountability. At his level, he should not be making statements to that effect and still expect any form of respect or legitimacy from the public.
What is more concerning is if it was never brought to light, would an apology or confession have been proactively made? I would think not as he and the Conservatives would have still viewed the situation as one of "doing nothing wrong" and would have just swept it under the rug.
Certainly disrespectful and inappropriate behaviour unbecoming a cabinet minister and a MP.
I am sure the riding he represents must be very proud. As a Canadian, I can only express disgust and disappointment.
Greg
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Dave
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"It isn't clear why the comments weren't made public until now."
Perfectly clear to me - there is an election on now, isn't there?
Bob Smith
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Ritz It Down
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Calgarian
said
Come on let's hear a joke about the economy, then maybe Harper might notice… Oh wait, that is a joke.
Clem Schraefel Kerrobert Sask - Farmer
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raj
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conerned
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Socialism is killing us.
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Still voting Conservative here.
Martin
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Joe
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RobO
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James
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Cliff
said
Everytime something like this happens some of those among us feel the need to stand on their self rightous soapboxes and beat their chests as examples for the rest of us to follow. Just remember... the method we use to judge others will eventually be used against ourselves..better watch out!
WMN in SK
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Meat Eater
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I'm OK with that.
Dean
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Scott
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AJ
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J.C.
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D.K.
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I don't care how this is handled but I know that I am fed up with the likes of Jack Layton standing there demaning that Harper fires the man when we know all politicians are thinking that if we keep the heat on this guy they won't look at what I may have said or did over the last 20 years or so.
Let Harper deal with this as the Conservative Party sees fit and get on with the major issues facing this country.
Ron Lowther
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Smitherenzes
said
What a world. Every word one says is scrutinized to the nth degree. Now if he had said something like he doesn't care about those who were affected by the listeria outbreak then that would be different.
Like when Ignatieff said he didn't care about the Lebanese/Canadians caught in the middle of a war. Now that's something one should resign over. Of course he didn't.
Anyway, Ritz made a joke about a political opponent to a small group. Perhaps inappropriate, but is it a lynching offense?
As for being fired over his handling of the affair, that's different. He should have foreseen this happening. Wayne Easter did, didn't he?
Dennis - Sudbury, Ontario
said
Should he resign? Maybe. Yet for the Liberals to be all holier-than-thou in shrilly demanding this Minister's head strikes me as utterly hypocritical. Will it change the votes of people who already have made up their minds? I don't think so. As for the undecided, there is every indication that there are many more positive aspects of this Tory government and their platform that will win them over, as opposed to a Minister uttering a bad joke in very poor taste and driving them away.
Chris
said
People that are demanding his neck are the same group of people that never said a word when the prime minister at the time choked a protester in the heat of the moment, accepted that another PM gave the one finger salut to Canadians, said nothing when it became apparent that criminal acts had taken place involving the party in power. ... all that want his neck, I am sure that you would resign from your job if you were to make a comment that others found in bad taste. Let's get to the real problems we are facing, stop with the side shows as it appears you have nothing else to offer.
Marcel
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Jay - Toronto
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MHR
said
Any minister...must be serious about their job as they are HEAD of a Ministry...
FIRE HIM!..
James
said
However, politicians are us. We make mistakes, mess up and can be callus at times. However, politicans are held to a higher standard. If this scandal had been uncovered when an election was not underway, Mr Ritz would have been demoted from cabinet. The same thing should happen now and Mr. Harper needs to demonstrate to Canadians that he is a man of principal and fire Mr. Ritz if Mr Ritz does not do the honorable thing and resign.
Michelle
said
Harper will almost certainly fire this idiot. He does not suffer fools gladly.