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Doctor aghast as lollipops used to spread chickenpox

Food colouring is commonly added to many foods, especially cereal, candy and other sugary snacks, to make them look more appealing. Food colouring is commonly added to many foods, especially cereal, candy and other sugary snacks, to make them look more appealing.
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Date: Thursday Nov. 10, 2011 8:57 AM ET

A specialist in infectious diseases in children says she is shocked by reports that some parents in the U.S. are trading chickenpox-contaminated lollipops in an effort to naturally immunize their children, rather than get the chickenpox vaccine.

Canadian Paediatric Society member Dr. Marina Salvadori says she is baffled over why anyone would want to risk their children's health in that way.

"It's not safe for your child and it's totally inappropriate," she said in a phone interview.

A number of news outlets in the U.S. reported this week on a Facebook group called "Find a Pox Party in Your Area." The group consisted of parents who were willing to ship chickenpox-contaminated items around the country to other parents wanting to "naturally" immunize their children.

Some had vials of infected spit to sell, while others offered candy and lollipops that their sick kids had sucked on.

A U.S. federal prosecutor reacted to the reports by pointing out that sending a known contagion through the mail is a federal offence. The page, which had about 900 Facebook "Likes" at one point, was quickly removed. But the practice likely continues elsewhere.

Dr. Salvadori, who works at London Health Sciences Centre, says the idea of asking your child to drink the spit of another child or lick their used lollipop is not only absurd, it puts them at risk of all kinds of germs.

"They are potentially exposing kids to pneumococcus, meningococcus, streptococcus A… Your mouth is a pond, a swamp, it's full of bad things," said Salvadori.

The chickenpox vaccine, on the other hand, is safe, she says. One in seven might develop a fever after getting the shot, and some will develop a mild rash, but most children have no reactions. And recent research suggests that two doses of the vaccine offer long-lasting immunity.

"So to say ‘I'd rather expose them to all of those things rather than the well-refined, very well-regulated product of a vaccine' sounds to me a bit absurd," Salvadori says.

She also wonders whether the lollipop idea would even work. Chickenpox spreads much like the flu -- from a virus that travels through the air; it doesn't transmit very well off surfaces.

"The lollipop method has never been shown to be effective or safe," she says.

Smallpox started 'pox parties' idea 

It's interesting to note that deliberately infecting children with viruses is nothing new. "Pox parties" actually started in the days of smallpox, when parents discovered that exposing their children briefly to people who were already infected helped to protect them from getting sick.

Salvadori says strange as it might sound, the method can actually work and is "scientifically valid." Pox parties operate on the same concept as a vaccine: a small amount of exposure to confer lifelong immunity.

"So there is a scientific premise to getting a very small exposure in the air," she says.

But the only way it's safe is if the child is exposed to just a small amount of the virus, because the more chickenpox virus that one breathes in, the sicker they will become. That's why a child who's infected at school typically has a milder illness than a child infected while living in the same house as a sick sibling.

The problem, of course, is that it's difficult to control how much infected air your child breathes. And then, every child's immune system is different, so some might not show any reaction while other kids might develop full-blown, serious illnesses.

"Even kids who get chickenpox naturally in that way are still prone to complications," Salvadori says.

Chickenpox can be fatal in some

While most adults in Canada who had chickenpox as kids remember it as an illness that causes a flu-like illness, spots and a week of bedrest, chickenpox can lead to severe complications.

Before the chickenpox vaccine was introduced in Canada almost a decade ago, 5,000 children a year had to be hospitalized for chickenpox infections. Some developed brain infections, others blood infections and others pneumonia.

Dr. Salvadori also notes the chickenpox "spots" can act as little doorways for all kinds of bacteria, including group A strep, which is a cause of flesh-eating disease.

Some children pick up strep A and then a staph infection that goes into their bones.

"One of my first patients – one of the cases that made me want to become an infectious diseases doctor – was seeing a little girl get chickenpox and then lose her leg to amputation," Salvadori says.

The virus that causes chickenpox never leaves the body and can redevelop much later in life into shingles, a condition that can cause severe nerve pain, which, in some cases, lasts the rest of one's life.

"So chickenpox can case a wide spectrum of disease and it can make people really sick and even cause death," she says.

One report noted that some users of the pox party Facebook page were also looking for samples of measles and mumps, because they hadn't vaccinated their children against those infections either.

Salvadori says she would never recommend anyone deliberately infect themselves or their children with measles since that's an infection that tends to cause severe illness. About 1 in 1,000 infected children will develop encephalitis, while one in 100,000 will develop a degenerative disease called SSPE, or subacute sclerosing panencephalitis.

SSPE brings on dementia in a child and can even affect kids who appear to have fully recovered from measles, Salvadori says.

"It's like they get Alzheimer's at 6 or 7, and they completely degenerate and die within three or four years," she says.

"I've seen two patients with that and it's absolutely tragic."

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DJ
said

Amazing that you need a license to own a dog or cat, but anyone can become a "parent". DennisCalgary, you are a retard, plain and simple... I look forward to hearing how your first Hepatitis B Bash turns out!


Miriam in Niagra
said

Salvadori, you're a working, licensed medical doctor and you call the human mouth 'a dirty pond'? You're either incompetent or misquoted.The human mouth is actually not dirty especially in children & our natural occurring saliva keeps our mouths quite clean. If you have bad hygiene then you have a pond like mouth. However, the American's have lost their collective minds and are now utterly over run with superstition, feelings, fear and all around hysteria. Wackos.I have immunized all my children following Ontario's vaccine schedule.


Joanna
said

When my kids were little I my sisters children had the chickenpox, so she came over to let them play, in hoping that my kids got it. And they did, and it was fine, no complications...but never would I let my children suck on someones candy or for Gods sake, their spit. There are too many weirdos and sick mentally people out there, that they could be doing something worse to that candy. I don't know if I think it's child abuse, but something isn't right with these parents head...what is next?


denniscalgary
said

I went to chicken pox parties as a kid. No big deal. Better than getting who-knows-what from a vaccine.


norchic
said

I used to be in healthcare and I had several patients who came in with complications from various shots. I consider every vaccination VERY carefully before I allow my child to get it. There are pros and cons to know about and long-term studies to examine. Some vaccines have mercury, some don't. I'm never first in line to get a new type of vaccine. I don't appreciate being a guinea pig for big pharma. They need to do more work to PROVE product safety.


CMCL
said

You must be kidding me! Do these parents not understand the reason a chicken pox vacinne exists?? Chicken pox is a serious infectious disease - people die from it every year. Yes, most of us remember having a mild case that was not a big deal - but ask just one person who suffered serious complications, or who lost a family member to serious complications and maybe you will understand how dangerous an illness it can be. Would you purposely infect your child with leprosy or tuberculosis?? And what would a parent do with a vial of infected spit? Would you seriously give your child someones spit to drink or touch???? Epic stupidity.


zane
said

Stupid people do stupid things, these parents (used in the lowest meaning) should not be parents. What ever logic they use to arrive ay a decision like this is extremely flawed.


getreal
said

@ SB - They are no different then most Canadians.


Sophie
said

Hmm... Putting my child at risk of contracting germs that lead to a minor disease? Or exposing my child to live viruses, poysorbate 80, aluminum, mercury, formaldehyde and other dangerous chemicals that could lead to much more serious conditions and damage??? Can't... choose...


Elizabeth, Ontario
said

Child abuse comes to mind! Difficult to legislate stupidity. I just can't believe that adults, who shouldn't be parents, would put their children's health at risk in this way.


JS
said

This story will eventually fall into the catergory of urban legend soo enough. I don't believe a word of it. Aside from that chicken pox is a minor childhood illness, as is measles. I had them all when I was kid. The only serious disease I ever got was polio. And I contracted that from the vaccine.


TOMom
said

I wonder if this is a result of our healthcare system vs. U.S. healthcare system. It could be that many people in the U.S. have to pay for the vaccine, while here we are covered for most of our vaccines. We probably also take our children to the doctor on a more regular basis so are better informed as to what is available to help keep our children healthy. I find in many things Americans are much quicker to self-medicate than Canadians are.


Sandra
said

These people need to see a shrink to see if they have all there brains intact. What idiots.


Pip
said

We have known preventive medicines and vaccines for childhood illnesses. Alas, none for stupidity.


Scott (Alberta Party country)
said

Why doesn't this surprise me!


Margot
said

Many years ago, my brother had chicken-pox and I had to stary home and then I had chicken-pox. BUT, the worst part of that was I developed scarletina, mild form of scarlet fever, accompanying chicken-pox. Twelve years ago I had shingles around my throat and lower part of my face. All three of my children had chicken-pox and to-date only one has developed shingles and pray that the other two don't have shingles. Hopefully the days of schools being empty from an epidemic through vaccines will keep children in school and their parents will smarten up. The horrors of being in an isolation hospital with scarletina still haunt me. A glass room with absolutely no one to talk to except a nurse and cleaning lady for three weeks and no toys only a pencil and paper and three blah meals a day.


joe canada
said

Why anyone would knowingly infect their children and make them ill is beyond me. Complete idiots. Sometimes I wonder why we screen people so heavily to adopt a dog but any idoit can have a child?


marc
said

really gross.but most people aren't that bright anyway, so once they become parents, they won't get any brighter.


Karen
said

It is ridiculous to hear that parents are doing this to their children. Why wouldn't they get the vaccine? I got the vaccine when I was younger and I had no side effects at all. Till today, I still haven't received the chickenpox. What they are doing here is just harming their children.

Society these days makes me sick... I just couldn't believe parents would do that to their children. How would their children handle the truth knowing that they are sucking on someone else lollipop with their germs and bacteria?

What is going on with society these days?


Matt in NB
said

I can remember when I was a young child, we had Pox parites all the time to make sure the kids got the chicken pox when they were young so they would be naturaly immunized.


Suzie
said

That is so stupid. I am speechless.


Sam
said

These parents must be brain dead. I say invent a vaccine for STUPID parenting. " Would be parents" should be licensed before they become parents, maybe that would prevent children from becoming abused, used as guinea pigs etc. Whats the world coming to.


Margaret 53
said

This could be a case of parents with a little information thinking they are experts. "au natural" is best, and I don't want my kids filled with toxins." Or parents with no information and no education, and no health insurance? No matter, same results, ...stupidity.


SB
said

I love Americans! Some are just so twisted.


Anne
said

Makes you wonder at the intelligence of some parents. How absolutely idiotic. Might as well tell your kids its ok to eat stuff they find on the sidewalk as well? In my opinion this borders on abuse and is a result of misinformed natural 'everything' followers who are putting their own children at risk.


Sherry
said

These parents don't want their kids to have the vaccine but they are willing to have the chicken pox from someone else? Is there a vaccine for stupid parents? Hey let's have an epidemic and see who lives or dies! What dumb ideas are hatched nowadays! For some reason these parents think that if their kids get it "naturally" then they will be alright - failing of course to realize that not all kids/adults who have it react the same way - some could die from it!


What?
said

Every day I find that this current generation of lunatic parents can discover new ways to show just how idiotic they are. It's getting to the point where the Government needs to forcibly teach people common sense in parenting.


irma1957
said

Parents gone coo-coo!


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