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Veterans Ombudsman Col. (ret.) Patrick B. Stogran holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug 17, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Medically discharged Cpl. Dennis Manuge, of Musquodoboit N.S., holds his head as he listens to Veterans Ombudsman Col. (ret.) Patrick B. Stogran, right, speak as he holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2010. Manuge is fighting the Service Income Security Insurance Plan (SISIP) clawbacks. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Veterans' ombudsman Pat Stogran speaks during a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010. Veterans' ombudsman Pat Stogran speaks during a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010.

Ombud blasts government's treatment of veterans

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Veterans Ombudsman Col. (ret.) Patrick B. Stogran holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug 17, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Medically discharged Cpl. Dennis Manuge, of Musquodoboit N.S., holds his head as he listens to Veterans Ombudsman Col. (ret.) Patrick B. Stogran, right, speak as he holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday, Aug. 18, 2010. Manuge is fighting the Service Income Security Insurance Plan (SISIP) clawbacks. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)  Veterans' ombudsman Pat Stogran speaks during a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010. Veterans' ombudsman Pat Stogran speaks during a press conference in Ottawa, Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010.

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Veterans Ombudsman Col. (ret.) Patrick B. Stogran holds a news conference at the National Press Theatre in Ottawa on Tuesday Aug 17, 2010. (Sean Kilpatrick / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Tue. Aug. 17 2010 9:47 PM ET

The outgoing veterans' ombudsman, retired colonel Pat Stogran, is going out firing his guns at the Conservative government and federal bureaucrats, expressing his anger at how Ottawa treats its veterans.

"It is beyond my comprehension how the system could knowingly deny so many of our veterans the services and benefits that the people and the government of Canada recognized a long, long time ago as being their obligation to provide," he said.

Stogran said he faced an uphill battle his entire term in office.

"After a mere two years and nine months, we've been confronted with the tasks of staffing the office, identifying the ways that our veterans are being unfairly treated and developing doctrines and protocols to redress them," he said.

During his tenure, Stogran said that he repeatedly came up against a culture of inaction among senior officials.

"I was told by a senior Treasury Board analyst, who shall remain nameless, that it is in the government's best interest to have soldiers killed overseas rather than wounded because the liability is shorter term," he said.

He added that he is going to spend his last three months in office telling the country how badly Canada treats its veterans.

Even before the news conference, the ombudsman was expressing his anger.

"It's hard for me not to get angry when I think how our vets are being treated," he said on his personal Twitter account Tuesday, prior to the news conference.

Stogran, former battle group commander in Afghanistan, was told last week his three-year contract in the job would not be extended for another period.

He's been an outspoken critic of the replacement of life-long pensions for disabled veterans with a system of lump-sum cheques and qualified financial support.

The federal Liberals are demanding the government extend Stogran's term.

Both the Liberals and Stogran have been critics of the New Veterans Charter, saying it needs to be re-worked.

Still, Veterans Affairs Minister Jean-Pierre Blackburn said that Stogran's anger may lay in the fact that his contract is not being renewed.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper also hinted as much while taking questions from reporters in Tuesday in Mississauga, Ont.

"There are no positions for life," Harper said. "That's the way we do things."

Speaking in French, Harper added: "If the ombudsman has concerns, has suggestions, the government is open always to incorporate these suggestions in our future programs and I encourage him to work with us."

Harper said a review is underway, as the needs of today's veterans are different than previous generations.

But Liberal MP Marc Garneau said the Tories have been "heavy handed" and manipulative in their treatment of Stogran.

The NDP also supported Stogran's criticism, saying that bureaucracy at Veterans Affairs is rampant.

"Parliament and the government has control over the bureaucracy," he said.

"There is ministerial responsibility. If the instruction is, 'don't bring anything that'll cost any money,' well, who's in charge of that? That's the government."

CTV's Chief Parliamentary Correspondent Craig Oliver said that Stogran, the first-ever veterans ombudsman, often clashed with the Conservative government over his role.

"He's very emotional," said Oliver, adding that Stogran recently spent weeks travelling the county and speaking with injured veterans.

It appears that it was an intense experience. Said Oliver: "I think, as he says, it got to him."

Oliver added that there appeared to be a disconnect between what Ottawa had expected from the ombudsman and what Stogran wanted to achieve at his post.

While Ottawa had hoped that Stogran would take on an advocacy role, the former soldier instead took on an adversarial, combative role with Ottawa.

"That's exactly what he did, and they didn't like it," said Oliver.

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Nancy
said

Shame, shame, shame, on the government of Canada, and by association, the entire population of Canada... This is a situation that should never have seen the light of day. If someone fights for his country, he or she should get an automatic pass on anything he or she may need after being injured. No questions asked! The poor treatment of our Vets is reason enough for any conscientious person to get upset about. Stogran has every right to be angry and in his current position, is obligated to let Canadians know what's happening. My thanks go out to him, as I had no idea our Vets were so badly treated in this day and age. I thought we had cleaned up our act on this issue years ago. This just shouldn't be!


MARG MM
said

If the New Veterans Charter was brought in and passed by a Liberal Government, why is the Conservative Government taking the "flack" over it? If the Liberals are against it, why did it pass in the first place? Is this another case of a disgruntled employee and the news media taking a story and running with it in order to discredit the Conservatives? Looks like there is more to this story than meets the eye, and hopefully the Conservative Government will clear it up. The Veterans deserve our support and the Government needs to address this issue. If you go to the website, it states that this act was passed in 2005, before the Conservatives came to power with a minority Government.


sk Freedom Lover
said

This is a problem with this country and many successive governments and their sycophant civil servants...both my sons served in Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, and what did they get when they left the army? - NOTHING...it's a national disgrace...


Afghan Vet
said

I was injured in Afghanistan, had to be lightly medicated for my back after an LAV accident. It was all recorded on my medical file. When I returned to Canada, I was sent to Physio for about 2 years, and about 3 months of chiro. Again, all recorded. I have been medicated for my back since the accident. I applied to VA, and was turned down. They said if I am still working, at the rate I am, am able to pass my annual physical tests, I do not qualify. I have never taken a sick day in my 20 year career... not even one. If I had to take time off, instead of working though pain, I would have qualified. Pretty fair system VA, thanks.


Mark Dip
said

So the lesson of this story seems to be that if you encounter lethargic public servants who consider doing their jobs to be a sign of weakness, you’re not supposed to make waves. Far be it that you might upset them by denying them their afternoon nap.So let’s recap what we’ve seen in the news over the last little while:- Veteran’s Affairs stonewalls veterans from getting their earned benefits.- Indian and Northern Affairs stonewalls aboriginals from getting their promised benefits and compensation.- Foreign Affairs stonewalls Canadians in distress overseas and diplomatic spouses from getting any kind of assistance overseas.What is it about government departments that have the word “Affairs” in their titles that turns their leaders and bureaucrats into deadbeats?


War Vet
said

Colonel Stogran, Give them hell for the next three months! You have our back, we have yours! And as a Vet, let me say, thank you Sir.


JR from Pointe Claire
said

As a son of two WW2 veterans I am also appalled at the illustrious Minister of Defence and the Prime Minister at the treatment of our soldiers - young and old. They gave their lives for our country and if injured permanently - they deserve cadillac care from our Government. Peter - you are a disgrace to your position and you should resign immediately. I for one am fed up with more BS coming from this government and will vote for any other party next election. Enough is enough! Throw the bums out of office!


BCDarr
said

Shame on Stephen Harper. Our veterans deserve respect. They should NEVER be treated as a political inconvenience.The Ombudsman is the only voice our veterans have and the government is determined to silence it? This is wrong on every level.


robin hood
said

Alright! Sure hope this goes viral in a hurry since according to Harper we got decades of wars ahead of us! Let’s get loud and be real clear when we deal with our governing officials. Your up VETS show us more, give the would be soldiers (our sons, daughters) a glimpse of their future if they choose to VOLUNTEER to serve! My guess is they won’t! Wars need soldiers; the suits don’t fight their own battles “they draft”! Standup Canada demand to hear from our vets let them tell our children their stories. Peace is obtainable it’s achieved through refusing to fight! I believe the fight of the people has just begun!


shameeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
said

Shame on all Canadians for not taking care of it's war vets.


Soctt Shannon
said

The new Vetrans Charter was actually drafted by the Liberal government of Paul Martin without any consultation with any vetrans group (Legion) in the country. The conservative party simply implemented the legislation when they won their first term as the government. The lump sum payment idea was from the liberal government and was knowingly put into place as a cost saving measure for the federal treasury.

Conservatvives
said

Stevie totally sidesteps a very important issue,...but most conservatives are not ready to forget about the Vets....


Howard
said

As a serving member of the Canadian Forces I understand the risks involved, and that I am held to the clause of unlimited liability. I am proud to serve this Country because of the values we as a Nation stand for.In the years following the Somalia Inquiry we have been held to a level of ethical purity that has never been seen in the CF. Our ability to promptly bring to trial of those in our ranks that do not meet the standards of not only the CF but that of you the people is unparalled in the World. We in the Canadian Forces are extremly proud of what we have acomplished and will acomplish. I will continue to serve regardless, I will serve the people, the ideals that we stand for and I will continue to serve the government that is elected by the people.To the Government of Canada, all I ask is that you apply the standards to yourselves that you apply to the Canadian Forces.DUCIMUS


Rene - Vasey
said

As a Canadian, I mourn the loss of our soldiers in Afghanistan. I hate to think that those returning wounded soldiers are left to a fate of poverty and one of begging for help for their afflictions. I applaud Col. Stogran in his efforts to bring the plight of these soldiers forward to the Canadian voting public. We need to know what treatment our young soldiers are receiving at the hands of our bureaucrats. We are a nation that cannot turn our backs on our own soldiers while donating to all sorts of disasters in the world. Let us start at home with our vets. They deserve better. When I read Gen. Hillier's book in which he describes the bureaucracy in Ottawa as one in which each has his own fiefdom and no one may enter unless they advance through the protocol, makes one wonder if someone should not go to Ottawa with a broom and sweep up the mess. Keep on going Col. Stogram, we are listening. Thank you for fulfilling the duties of your job as Ombudsman.


Soldier
said

Wow as a soldier that is in CF for past 10 years and i also have 3 tours in afghanistan diagnosed with PTSD. And i still went to afghanistan no matter what, why because i love my COUNTRY. I have some of my friends that are in worse condition than me that deserve the pension. But a member of goverment is telling everyone he rather see soldiers being killed than wounded well let me tell you how about you come over to my face and tell me that he rather see me dead or better yet tell my daughter why daddy died. I can keep on ranting about this for days. This is pretty shamefull to see and hear. I love my country and i fight for its freedom and for my friends that died overseas i will see them in the near future. We will not forget.PRO PATRIA


Proud Injured Soldier
said

I am a serving member who sufferred an injury training. As a result of my injury, I have had three operations on my knee and have had the patella removed. VAC awarded me a "pension" of 5% or should I live another 30 years (age 46 now) it works out to $450 A YEAR. Lump sum payments are a crock. I will never have the quality of life that I had before my injury. I will need a total knee replacement in the future, I have sufferred chronic pain, and depression as a result of my injury. I am a proud soldier who will be released from the Military as a result of the injury and I am worth $37.50 a month. Thank you to the Government for taking care of me. (insert sarcasm here)


J0
said

I have never heard of this issue and is totally disgusted that the government doesn't stand behind their soldiers, whom they send into dangerous situations. And for a government official to state that soldiers are better off to die then come home injured because it would have pay. Sorry to burden you! That is unethical. Who do these people think they are. They show up at bases and shake hands, buy vehicles, aircraft and update building, what about the broken soldier. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a great opportunity for the people of this land to write their government official, letting them know that we as Canadians will not tolerate this disgraceful conduct. We push lots of money to help others in far away lands, which I don't mind, but let's help those in our land. It's our tax money, let's tell them how we want them to use it... Can you imagine a country with no military? I, for one, don't even want to think about what would happen to this glorious country. Support your troops by helping resolve this issue. It's up to YOU to make a difference!! Like they say, "There's no life like it"!


Chris
said

Ok... as a serving member of the CF, I have to remind people WHO introduced and passed the New Charter. The New Charter came into effect on the 1st of April, 2006. Therefore it was the previous LIBERAL government who passed it and announced its inception and implementation. The Conservative government was voted in and Mr. Harper became the PM February 6th,2006. Don't tell me that the Liberals are more for Vets than the current gov't. If anything, they are trying to REVERSE back to the old charter!!!


Confused.
said

QUOTE. Harper said a review is underway, as the needs of today's veterans are different than previous generations. UNQUOTE BUT the PREVIOUS, ( the before 2006 Veteran's Charter), was better than the PRESENT day's!!!!!!!The needs of yesterday are the same as the needs of today except that today the cost may be higher than yesterday's cost. But the needs remain the same!!!!!


simon
said

"" Strogran, former battle group commander in Afghanistan, was told last week his three-year contract in the job would not be extended for another period. "" I Wonder WHY?


PVT
said

Joe A said it right when he said "...perhaps we should take away from the pensio.."ns of the retired mp's and give it to the veterans who actually put their lives on the line for our country and our freedom..."That is a great suggestion. Politicians think we are there for them when, in reality, they are there for US. Put them in their place voters - don't give your MP a free ride on this.


proud soldier
said

as a veteran i have a right to speak i was injured in the mid 70s under liberal gov and that is what they tried to do to me lump sum payout. no liberal has the right to knock anyone after the butchering you have done, this person is mad at the goverment and is throwing a fit i am very shocked at this former officer i have my bones to pick with the goverment too but this CRAP makes it harder for me.

Bubba says Steven Harper, you need our votes
said

I voted twice for this government because they supported what Canadians wanted, but I will not vote for them again.

I won't vote for them the next time, because they have forgotten how they got their votes. They have NOT taken care of those they promised to take care of. They have abandoned retirees, abandoned NORTEL workers, both retirees, and the disabled. They have failed to provide pension reforms, and failed to double the CPP Pensions, which is what is required to bring pensioners above the poverty line. They have forgotten the little guy Canadians, and started acting like they no longer need us. Now they have forgotten our vets, both past, and present.

Well, THEY DO NEED US, THEY NEED OUR VOTES. It's time to send these guys a clear message.

I'm not ready to give total power to the Liberals either, but perhaps a minority Liberal Government will listen better. Alternatively, there is the NDP.

Stephen Harper, better wake up before it's too late. And..uhh hum, by the way, the end of September is way way too late. You do need our votes, and we know it.


Mike
said

Two quotes the government should think about."The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, is directly proportional to how they perceive the veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated"-- George Washington"A man good enough to shed his blood for his country is good enough to be given a square deal afterwards..."-Theodore Roosevelt. Time to step up and give these ladies and gents what they deserve!


keith Kirkham
said

When the government and parliament of the day decide to send our young men and women to war this should also mean that the government will honour all servicemen and service women by affording them timely, humane, and decent care for wounds, disabilities, and illnesses associated with the troops activities in a war zone. I find it incomprehensible and reprehensible that government and its bureaucracy would go out of its way to dishonour our soldiers' service to their country by not giving all the care possible to them when they have been disabled, disfigured, or suffered illness as a result of their service. Its disrespects their service to our country and it serves as a source of humiliation to me as a citizen of this country.


Paul B
said

The government should be ashamed.


Keith in Brampton
said

"If the ombudsman has concerns, has suggestions, the government is open always to incorporate these suggestions in our future programs and I encourage him to work with us," HAHAHAHAHA!!! Thanks for the laugh, Stevie!


Howie
said

As a recently retired service person, it is absolutely appalling at what we have to go through to file a claim and wait years, not months or days for it to be even decided upon. The government regardless of party has lost all credibility on this issue. They would rather play politics and make backroom deals to outright avoid dealing with the issues of those they willingly send into harm's way. I have respect for Dennis Manuge but i disagree with his position on Voting. How can i hold up my head and cast my vote for any party in Canada? Why do they deserve my vote when they have done nothing but bicker and infight on issues that should be taken care of immediately. The Ministry of Veterans Affairs does nothing to promote the health of Veterans. We have to learn by chatrooms and by word of mouth that the medication we took for the persian gulf war could be harmful to us? I have to learn this by seeing this on the news? Mr. Prime Minister and all politicians of ANY party that may see this, you have to EARN my respect to get my vote. Why bother voting if whatever government in power will simply wash their hands of the very people they send overseas to die for this country and for what it represents.I am ashamed to call myself a canadian.


Brad
said

I am an injured soldier but am too afraid to come forward for fear of being dismissed from the Forces. This just confirms my fears! The Dept of Veterans Affairs are only in the business of parking themselves at the money trough like the rest of the MPs. I`ve served my country for over 20 years and I can say it`s time for DND and VAC to wake up. The Junior ranks of our military are suffering! Most of the therapy I receive I have to pay out of my own pocket! As a junior rank I can`t afford it most of the time, I usually have to suffer or rely on painkillers. I then get told it will all be ok, this coming from Officers in the military who can afford treatment if they get hurt. The pay gap between officers and enlisted is unbelievable. A Private lives in a closet in the quarters on base while a General lives in the lap of luxury.


Iggy who? Jack who? Maybe Liz... or Bloc?
said

Where are the Leaders of the opposition? Why can Harper so easily side step this important issue? What kind of governing is this?


BobFar, Victoria
said

Just by his comment Harper shows his true feeling fo the Vets. "Work with us.." Hill speak for .. "do it our way and we will listen". Typical Harper - two faced single minded dictator.


Time to revamp Veteran Affairs, not Ombudsman!
said

Veterans/ DND members are trained to never speak against their superiors, in this case, the goverment, and Canadian Forces are known world wide as being some of the best... so you know things must be bad when you hear this.


John MacPriest
said

Anyone who thinks Col Strogan is in it for a job for life is absolutely correct............But, that is because many ex-service people believe that theirs was a calling, not merely a job. He was, and is feeling responsibility for those he serves: the Vet. If you think that it's easy wrestling with a pig (the government) think again, they will both get dirty, but the pig won't care. Someone speaks for those who aren't heard and you think he is in it for himself.John


John from Saskatoon
said

I'm a Conservative supporter but holy cow they really seem to be making an effort to shoot themselves in the foot. I can't believe some of the stupid decisions they have been making lately. Not that the Liberals have been any better to vets but the Consevatives, being strong supporters of the military, should be striving to make up for past injustices to our soldiers, not compounding them. The govt. should stop taking the votes of their supporters for granted. They may need to win seats in Ontario to win a majority but they need us out west to keep a minority. Keep that in mind when thinking about screwing people over.

Vince M
said

John in Halifax. Here is a Conservative voice. I'm sorry I was late. If this is how badly the Conservatives treated them imagine how much worse the Liberals were. They absolutely gutted the Forces under Trudeau and the Shawinigan Strangler.

Vet
said

I am a present day Vet, and I have dealt with Veterans Affairs/ New Veterans Charter. The very few that state this is an improvement, are simply misinformed, or blind sided by someone trying to sell it. Time for Mr Harper to step up, or step down; his choice. This one will not go away, Vets are sick and tired of being abused by the goverment, or lack of goverment.

Winnie N.S
said

If the Conservatives are so bad why is it we can now be proud of our military and are getting equipment badly need for the last 16 yrs. I also have never seen so much road work in years and years and new overpasses and highways so the stimulus money IS working and right across Canada in many ways. The conservatives have been good to our military and take care of them as they respect the great work our men and women do for the Country. So back off on all the made up negativity please.


beentheredonethat
said

Pat nice to see you doing a better job of leading the charge than you did in 3 PPCLI. But strogren hit the nail on the head, the new charter is a joke. Nothing like getting blown up while representing your country and having no support upon your return. I have a whole new respect for Col Pat Strogren Ret. I think we all need to get behind Pat I think he is doing a great job!


fern brulotte
said

After serving for 28 years, and got an injury while serving, i applied for a pension after my discharge. Seven years later and a trail of paper work, i was told SORRY NO. We as veterans should stay away from the parade on the 11 november in downtown Ottawa. It is the only way for conservatives MPs to understand our situation.


mark, Vancouver
said

As to the comment "What does Stogran want a job for life?"Canadians and Vets should want someone in there fighting for what is right for longer than 3 years. Stogran just gets up to speed, discovers all that the Government is not doing, talks about it and now gets told he is not needed. The Cons want someone who won't say anything and just be a wallflower.I look forward to Stogran's remainder of his mandate while he lets Canadians know how the government is mistreating our Veterans.


Molly
said

On May 13, 2005, Bill C-45, the Canadian Forces Members and Veterans Re-establishment and Compensation Act (The New Veterans Charter), received Royal Assent. There was no debate and it was passed in one day by the Liberal majority government.


Tracy wife of DND member
said

So is this what happens in the government when you do not agree with them, they don't renew your contract? Finally someone is sticking their neck out and saying this is not working, Stogran is trying to make a difference and help people. The way this is being handled by Harper reminds me of grade three on the playground when little boy Harper says 'I don't like the way you play so I am taking my ball home and no one can play with it!' Is the job of the ombudsman not to be impartial and point out where things are wrong whether it is the for or against the government? This 'new' Charter is a joke! When you have to open a soup kitchen for Vets that should send some obvious signals that the system is failing veterans


Cara
said

Kind of interesting - the article says "Both the Liberals and Strogan have been critics of the New Veterans Charter..."In fact, from the VAC website, and other sources:"To put on a uniform in service to our country is an extraordinary commitment; a willingness to put yourself at risk for the interests of Canada.In 2005, to recognize this service and contribution to Canada and the world, the Government of Canada passed The Canadian Forces Members and Veterans Re-establishment and Compensation Act, often referred to as the New Veterans Charter."The Charter was enacted by the Liberal Party before the Conservatives were even elected in 2006. Once again, Conservatives taking flack for a Lib mess. Veterans Affairs was in horrible shape for many years under the Liberals, in fact forgotten. VAC was severely understaffed and it took up to 2 years to process a claim as a result. Can't wait as someone earlier said, for the "Libs to jump all over this one." Could get interesting.


Joe A
said

perhaps we should take away from the pensions of the retired mp's and give it to the veterans who actually put their lives on the line for our country and our freedom. let them do without for until this is resolved. i bet it gets done in a hurry then. The fact that this is still happening to our vets totally disgusts me.


Vet
said

Time for the Goverment to show some integrity, and revamp the 2006 Veteran's Charter. maybe they did not know it was a ripoff on our vets...now they have no excuse. And where is the Oppostion parties during all this?


Sgt(ret)
said

Bravo Zulu !It's comforting to understand we're all suffering the same pain... again... for someone else's laziness... and greediness....I challenge these bureaucrats to spend one month anywhere we served (even on exercices) to have a glimpse of what we lived thru, what we've accomplished and not. Could they do that for Canada ?


Peeved
said

Conservative's "Economic Action Plan" Let's stop Canadian War Veteran pensions, that will save us a few bucks!


Rob
said

@JoeFrmEdmStrogan seems to be one of the few men really working in Ottawa, and is representing the proud veterans, who, as a part of their training, seldom speak out against the goverment, their chain of command. If Strogan wanted this job for life, I would gladly give it to him.


Scott
said

I have never seen the military treated so poorly as when the Liberals were in power. Trudeau, Chretien, Martin, these were dark years for the military. ANy major upgrades in the military always happen under a conservative leader. New ships, vehicles , choppers under Mulroney, ships, jets, tanks, helecopters, armoured vehicles under Harper. I was treated quite well by veteran's affairs, and see many instances where they err on the side of the member. Col. Stogran should know this to be true. I am afraid he is letting his own ego get in the way. You never enhance future opportunities by trashing your current employer. It looks vendictive, not constructive. Future employers see this as a negative.


MikeInBC
said

I don't know who is at fault here. It may be the bureaucracy or it may be the politicians but if in doubt the PM MUST be accountable.This reminds me of the deal the Canadian government made with the British government to freeze the pensions of British WW2 vets who emigrated to Canada. My dad never saw an increase in his pension before he died. This was an item the (Liberal) government (and later Conservative government) was supposedly looking into for years and yet never seemed to have the wherewithal to fix it.The politicians and the bureaucrats pensions should be likewise frozen back to the post WW2 agreement they had with Britain. I'll bet it would be fixed quickly if that happened.


Albertaboy111
said

Bad governance aside, we need to do what this man has asked. Let's get behind him and stand up for our veterans. I don't think there is a single Canadian who would not have preferred the money on the G20 was instead spent on providing the best services and care for veterans possible. Let's get loud and show this government what we think of our veterans, and once we have done our duty (very minuscule compared to theirs) then we can concentrate on getting a real government in this country, and not a bunch of ideological liars.


Gulf Vet
said

This story is scary...I also was in the first Gulf War, also took the NBCD tablets, as ordered. I am almost 40, and have never even heard of ALS. DND should be warning us of these increased risks. VA should be backing us, not avoiding us. In my brief contact with Veteran Affairs, it is like dealing with the corrupt Insurance company in the Matt Damon movie, The Rainmaker, where there policy is to turn down or under pay all first time claims, making it standard procedure to have to put in an appeal. The difference is this is a true story, happening right now, and it's our goverment instead of the insurance company.


Don Robertson
said

Pat Stogran has breathed fresh air into a thoroughly stagnant system. In my case it took eight years to fight through the bureaucracy for approval of a claim, which then took 194 days for a decision, My latest review just completed (a pensionable injury) will take 24 weeks before a decision can be reached.Many vets just give up with the system as the too many delays are apparently designed in the expectation that you might die before they honor an award.Obviously conditions of service aren't understood.


allan
said

Sounds like another "silly-servant" has found the press audience once again.


Kaven
said

"JoeFrmEdm said 'What does Strogan (sic) want a job for life?'"The point is not granting a "job for life". The point is holding onto a voice in Ottawa that speaks the truth and shines a light under the rocks.That's a rare commodity in politics.


Rob in North Bay
said

Successive Cdn governments, regardless of party, have polished their techniques for pretending veterans and their unique needs don't exist. Col (R) Strogan is not saying anything new, he just says it publicly. He needs to be appointed to a new term, be listened to by those who run this country and they, in turn, need to make the necessary changes. Canada's treatment of it's veterans is a travesty.


Katherine
said

My husband is a currently serving regular force member and I can tell you that it is appalling how serving force members and their families are being treated. I can only imagine, sadly, how disrespectful the military is towards veterans when they have no respect for their currently serving, deployed (mine was deployed for 16 months straight and we had a baby at home) military members. Quality of Life is their motto, and it’s a crock. We can’t even complain of the horrid, often sexist comments and practices of the military because if we do, his supervisors tell him that he will be fired for being an administrative burden.


htc
said

As a veteran myself, I am ashamed to tell people I am a veteran and I'd be twice as ashamed to expect anyone to give me a handout because I served in the military, even if that free choice lead to a permenantly life altering condition. You VOLUNTEER to serve in the military to serve the country, not to have the country serve you.


f
said

looks like a standard 2-faced goverment. Sure, send our vets off to die and kick their families in the teeth for years to come. I can see why most politicians are lawyers. Then again, if it wasn't lawyers running goverment it would be used car salesmen..........


Gregoryd
said

I am a card carrying conservative but this makes me sick. I do not agree with this in anyway. These men and women put their lives on the line for their country and this is how we treat them. My god why would anyone want to join the military in this country? Maybe this is why the military can not recruit enough people. Unless things change I will tear up my card and start a campaign against my party. Anyone but the conservatives will be my slogan. I also can not believe some of the comments from obviously conservatives on this site. You people better wake up because this is going to get your butts kicked out of power.


tc
said

This is not something new! It was the same way under the liberals. The liberals are actually the ones who came up with the new Veteran's charter. It is the bureacrats who are the problem! Especially middle to senior bureacrats!! They are the ones who make the decisions, resist change and have no morals. Veterans Affairs has hired hundreds of new employees over the last 5 years also which chews up more of the budget also!!It is time they hired veterans in place of the career bureacrats that are there now!! I think Veterans affairs should be forced to hire a certain percentage of veterans at all levels so there is always someone who understands what veterans are going through!!


Jim in the West
said

Jason - Yes, the Liberals were horrible to the CF serving during their leadership. This is fact. They even admitted it as they were doing it. The Conservatives, on the hand, always want to talk about how wonderfully they support the CF, yet more and more we see they support the equipment the CF uses, not the men and women of the CF. As for comments that Layton and Duceppe won't support anything for the miltary...that may be true, but I will bet my service pension they won't interfere with more given to the vets of the CF.


A Doctore, no mere physician
said

John of Halifax brings up the point that the normal crowd of conservative supporters aren't posting. I am a conservative supporter, and I agree, John, that the changes to the method of treating veterans were downright wrong. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with the Liberal Party of Canada on this issue. Having said that, the current party has done a better job than the Liberals than when they were in party, but that's not saying much. I doubt that they are losing the military vote (miniscule though that is); however, what's more important is to do right by the men and women who serve you and me by knowingly risking their lives so that we may enjoy our double-doubles, Saturday Night Hockey and the right to complain about having to put an "x" in a circle every few years.


Ashamed
said

The fact that we are not giving present day Afghan Combat Veterans the same benefits we gave to our peace keepers of the 1980s and 1990s is nothing less than shameful. Even if you never served overseas, if you got pensioned in the 1990s, you are better off than today's combat vets. This is WRONG!


Vanessa
said

I managed to get my disability pension before they started the lump sum garbage, for a back injury incurred in the 98 Ice Storm. I get $300 a month for an injury that keeps me in pain every day and all day... and from working any kind of actual job. They lowball us. We have to fight for an increase, and if we get one it is a pittance, usually a 5% increase. oooooo.... that's a lot!!! NOT!!!! And I know vets who are worse off.If you are against his not being given a second term, and against the lump sum.... LET THE GOVERNMENT KNOW!!!! Tell them!!! PLEASE!!!


J
said

I agree with Will. If you study political science, you will understand how much power bureaucracy holds, so I don't think this is necessarily a "Harper" thing, but rather a long-entrenched issue that spans from the Chretien era and even further back. Let's not get sensationalist over this article, but judge it with calm reason. Hopefully, the Harper government will be able to ameliorate the problem. Mind you, this is also one bureaucrat's opinion so we should not jump the gun and start criticizing. And no, I don't see this as an issue that the Liberals can use to gain traction, considering their record on the military and Veterans.


Riley
said

Why do people have to resort to bashing Liberals or Conservatives? Focus on the matter people...the Vets. Doesn't matter if Liberals are in charge (or Conservatives like now) either way people would point the finger to the other side for the fault. Let's just focus on the issue at hand, and how to go about constructively fixing it? Write your MPs, write the PMO, write Veteran Affairs...no point complaining about different parties ability to govern everything perfectly.


JoeFrmEdm
said

What does Strogan want a job for life?


Stanley Beckler
said

Sadly the armed forces personel should know the will be mistreated if file a claim.This goes back to Queen Elizabeth's time and the Spanish Armada. After England winning the battle some ships had to head north via Scotland and down the West Coast back to home.It's in the archives that Queen Elizabeth hoped some ships would go down and the sailors drown so that she would not have to pay them a pension- almost nothing changes.


NS
said

@JohnI am typically conservative, and I am not avoiding this topic. It just so happens that the conservatives are lost on this particular issue. Unlike diehard party followers, who vote blindly, that will never follow the present day issues, I will give the praise to the Liberals on Veteran's Affairs. The question is, can the Liberals do anything about it?


Jason
said

As I recall, it was Trudeau who eviscorated Veteran's Affairs and left it a hollow shell that served no one. It was Trudeau who created the pro-Liberal public service filled with self-serving mandarins at the higher levels. And successive liberal governments since (Chretien & Martin) who continued the trend. while the Conservatives have their many faults, they had nothing to do with creating this situation, and being a minority parliament, there's not a lot they can do to fix it as long as the opposition simply opposes everything they propose. (And we already have evidence that there is absolutely no way Taliban Jack and Duceppe will ever support anything either conservative proposed or that benefits those who fought for Canada!)


art
said

It is just another instance of the conservative government having no interest in reality, but only in those that are willing to propagate the propaganda of the conservative party. They have gone to a new low in putting their propaganda machine ahead of those who have served this country with distinction through the years.


steve
said

harper and company are a bunch of jerks treating our soldiers the way they have. it would be nice the likes of harper,mckay,baird,clements,and toews to spend a 6 month tour on the front lines side by side with our troops.but they are nothing but cowards. they have no problem sending other canadians children into battle and not caring for them properly when they come back from battle.


Vet's Daughter
said

From Harper: If the ombudsman has concerns, has suggestions, the government is open always to incorporate these suggestions in our future programs and I encourage him to work with us...The polite word for this would be "disingenuous".Mr Harper - this is among the many, many reasons why I will no longer vote conservative.


Rob
said

Conservatives are losing the DND vote. A basic leadership skill, and one of the most important, TAKE CARE OF YOUR MEN. The new Veteran's Charter does not do this.


Will
said

Speaking from my own experience, I don't think this is a government thing, but rather a product of the entrenched bureaucracy. I've served 29 years in the navy and have back problems. Faced with a medical retirement in the next few months I have applied for VA benefits (specificaly medical benefits-long term care) and VA has denied me any coverage. Dispite the fact that military doctors have documented my injuries as being the result of military service, VA forced me to see a civilian doctor who knows nothing of the military and can't say what the cause of my injuries are. On this basis, they arbitrarily denied me AGAIN. Now, I have to hire a lawyer to argue my case when all I wanted was long term medical coverage. As i said, this is more a result of an entrenched bureaucracy than anything political.


John, Halifax, NS
said

Wait, wait wait - where are all the conservative posters now to talk about how bad the Liberals are the the military? Oh that's right, YOUR party treats them worse....silence on this article is GOLDEN!


NS
said

If the Liberals really jump on this, they could reverse the polls. All Canadians respect our Vets. All Vets, Canadian Forces members and familes know this New Charter is a farce. Protect the man trying to protect our vets.


Inside loop
said

This has been the biggest blackeye for the conservatives, and they have managed to keep it covered up so far. The "New Veterans Charter" of 2006, called an improvement by the conservatives, with misleading polls from CF members, is a unheard of reduction in Veteran benifits. In the reminder of the vet's life, he will be given one lump sum, sometimes as low as $10 000, for a disablity he has to deal with for the rest of his life. This is shameful. While the MPs in Ottawa line there pockets, they leave our proud veterans out in the cold. The PM even had the nerve to vist a Veteran's soup kitchen last winter... Am I the only one who think's there is a problem that our vets need a soup kitchen? I am conservative, but the Liberals have a far lead in Veteran Affairs...maybe I will have to change my vote.Conservatives, Mr Harper, do the right thing, bring back the "Old" pre 2006 Veterans Charter..we do not need the "Improvements/ goverment money grab"


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

Here we go again with the Government doing anything it can to divert "Veteran Affairs Matters" to the side lines of business. Who in this nation deserves more credit, more appreciation, & the very best in benefits than "Our Veterans" ! This Government doesn't like anything "OLD" - be it Veterans or Seniors.Who, in the this bunch of fools in the House of Commons think built it ~ the Old Canadians did.Who do they think bled & died for this country, and still do our - "Veterans".Of course, everything we built through the 30's-40's-50's has been so altered that nothing of our yesteryears remain.WE the PEOPLE need to raise holy hell with all those nuts in Ottawa & a united front will do it."Phone ~ Fax ~ E-Mail ~ Write" the House of Commons" elected dead heads ~ NOW !


Frank
said

As the son of a WW2 veteran who was denied benefits because he was a Metis when he came back from Europe after spending 11 months in a POW camp and then denied the compensation given to First Nations because he wasn't treaty, I understand what the ombudsman is saying. I personally worked on research on Metis veterans compensation and know the many stories of these veterans who first were not white enough to receive benefits and then were not Red enough. I know all about the stonewalling that the bureaucrats do when it comes to veterans. I myself am a veteran of the US Marine Corps and what I received for compensation and how quickly my application was processed puts to shame what my father had to and still has to go through here in Canada. I have done more letter writing and form filling out on his behalf than I've had to do on mine. This isn't right but I have also come to the conclusion that writing to your MPs don't work either - not for WWII vets - I think they are all waiting for them to die off so they don't have to deal with them.


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