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Budget to include $7B for infrastructure, Baird says

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Date: Mon. Jan. 26 2009 2:01 PM ET

The federal budget will include $7 billion for infrastructure projects with an emphasis on getting "shovels in the ground as soon as possible," Transport Minister John Baird announced.

Baird, speaking in Ottawa on Monday, said $4 billion will be spent over two years to help fund provincial, territorial and municipal infrastructure projects.

"A big part of our economic action plan will include investing in our road, bridges, and water and sewer systems and in public transit," Baird said.

"By getting shovels in the ground on these types of projects we not only create jobs and allow our economic activity to grow but we also improve our economic competitiveness for decades to come."

The Tories are also spending $2 billion to support repairs, maintenance and accelerate construction at colleges and universities across Canada and $1 billion for a green infrastructure fund.

"We did not start this economic crisis but we will take steps to protect Canadians and our country from it," Baird said.

Liberal industry critic Gerard Kennedy said the Tories have an "unparalleled, miserable record" when it comes to actually putting up dollars to build bridges and roads.

Kennedy, addressing reporters after Baird's announcement, said Canadians should be skeptical because money announced by the Tories for many other previous projects has never been spent.

MPs back to work

Baird's announcement comes as members of Parliament are returning to work Monday, one day before the Tories present their federal budget -- which will need the support of the Liberals to survive.

In early December, Jean approved Prime Minister Stephen Harper's request to suspend Parliament, agreeing to put the government on hold until the end of January.

At the time, the Liberals and NDP had agreed to form a coalition, with the support of the Bloc Quebecois, after the Tories released a fiscal update which withdrew public funding for the federal parties and failed to include details of an economic stimulus package.

Harper sought a suspension of Parliament in order to avoid a confidence motion that would have likely toppled his government.

Since then, the Tories have consulted with various groups and leaders across the country about the budget, which will include an economic stimulus package.

Already, Human Resources Minister Diane Finley has announced a $1.5-billion fund for job training.

Finley told CTV's Question Period Sunday that the money will be available to people who are eligible for Employment Insurance as well as those who are not -- such as self-employed workers and stay-at-home parents who want to get back into the workforce.

Environment Minister Jim Prentice said Monday he thinks his government will survive the budget vote and that Canada's economy will recover.

"I'm confident that when this economic recession comes to a close that Canada will emerge even stronger and also that we'll have the best public finances in the G-7 both going into this downturn and also coming out of it," Prentice told CTV Newsnet.

Liberal support

The NDP and Bloc Quebecois are expected to vote against Tuesday's budget but the Liberals have said they'll wait to see the document before they decide.

However, on the weekend, the Liberals threatened to vote down the budget because it is said to contain a potentially contentious proposal to permanently slash taxes for middle-class Canadians.

While the Conservatives say the tax cuts will help working families during a challenging economic era, the Liberals say the rollback is ill-advised and will do little to stimulate the economy.

Conservative House Leader Jay Hill said Monday he's confident that the tax proposal won't stop the Liberals from supporting the budget.

"I'm quite optimistic that the Liberals... are going to take a responsible position, support the budget, support our government in the short term at least, and work together in the best interests of Canadians," Hill told CTV's Canada AM.

He said it was important that Ottawa get additional tax relief measures into the marketplace and into the hands of Canadians.

On Sunday, Liberal finance critic John McCallum said if the permanent tax cuts were very large the Liberals would be "very concerned" because it would saddle future generations with a big debt and a permanent deficit.

McCallum told CTV's Question Period Sunday that if the Tory budget fails to deliver what's best for Canada the Liberals will have little option than to vote it down.

However, senior Liberals are saying that Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff's instinct is to support the budget right now, CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said Monday.

"My sense here is that the Liberals are probably going to end up supporting this budget because there probably is going to be enough in there for everybody," Fife told CTV's Canada AM.

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gb
said

Great Infrastructure. Every time they say this I pay more taxes and the large southern centers get all the money. Northern Ontario which is represented by NDP candidates get shafted. I did not vote for them and I get penalized again.


Harper has had his warning: budget good for Canada
said

or the Harper government falls.

No hiding behind the Governor-General this time, Harpo.




USA cut taxes for eight years and USA is a mess.
said

If tax cuts work . . . why is the USA in such a mess?




The deficit is booming entirely because of Harper.
said

Paul Martin and the Liberals eliminated Canada's budget deficit, recorded several budget surpluses, paid down Canada's debt and brought forth huge amounts of tax cuts for individuals and corporations.

Harper cancelled the Liberal tax cut, then reinstated the Liberal tax cut. He is such a genius!




John Brown
said

Cause nothing inspires investor confidence like government backing.


Harper didn't take ball; he shut down Parliament
said

Let the Conservatives show 1 piece of paper that proves they have tried to work with the Opposition.

Of course they can't as their rhetoric is all BS, Conservatives are the most selfish group I've ever seen.


Bring on the ELECTION
said

Just remember that if the conservatives have a Majority the Budget will change and there will not be a deficit because they would not have spent this much money in the first place.

The Conservatives would rather actually have a problem to solve instead of guessing what to throw money at. The Liberals just want to speculate where money should be spent. They want to retrain people...ok in what industry? What's going to be the new popular industry? I don't know...do they?

We have only had a few months of slow times we shouldn't be going into huge debt because of a speed bump.

I encourage all of you to look at the TSX graph over the past 25 years, you will see that we are right where we should be inregards to growth, it was the past 7 years or so that have been out of character.

Pull out a straight edge and make it parallal with the slope from 79-95, it ends up right where it is today. In fact it's still a little higher then it should be.

Let's try and look at the big picture here, the sky is not falling.


Alberta Believer
said

"The Conservatives made their bed and its time for them to cry their way out of it.
Time to bring in the Liberals to clean up the mess just like last time.
Harper was not elected to Prime Minister, he was appointed by the Con's.
He does not speak for the majority of canadians, he just got a few more 'Seats'."

Wow this is so devoid economic sense that I'll only look at the politics.

In our system JayJay we have minority governments. Sure most people voted against the Conservatives, but most people voted against the Liberals as well who you'd replace them with and by a larger margian. Coservatives have about 40% of the seats whereas the Liberals barely 30% if that. And they can speak for the nation?

Harper was appointed by the "Cons" Iggy was appointed by the "Grits". Same difference son.



K_W
said

cutting taxes is not the way to go, that would put the country into a bigger deficit and take years to get rid of also we start cutting taxes other things get hurt like our health care so i guess we should say good bye to that since the conservatives don't care about it. I do care about health care and our taxes due support those i do not want to be a mini america where we have to pay for health care and other great things that make us canada.


Jay Jay 11
said

The Conservatives made their bed and its time for them to cry their way out of it.
Time to bring in the Liberals to clean up the mess just like last time.
Harper was not elected to Prime Minister, he was appointed by the Con's.
He does not speak for the majority of canadians, he just got a few more 'Seats'.


Gary
said

In this time of financial and economic uncertainty..permanent tax cuts are not the answer. We all want to pay less taxes...thats a given...but to suggest the proposed tax cut will stimulate the economy by getting people to spend it is unfounded. People will use it to pay off some of their debt or put it into savings; thus not putting it back into the economy to help stimulate it. All the tax cuts will do is reduce the government's tax revenues to repay the huge deficits ( may I remind people of the $64B that needs to be paid back) being used to stimulate the economy.


Alberta Believer
said

"This infrastructure package will be the best thing to come out of the recession/depression."

So Niagara George, when will we pay off the federal debt? Or do you propose we get used to increasing it until we no longer attract investment?

Geeze! No wonder Ontario is in the toilet! And you expect the rest of us to take financial advice from the likes of you all?

I Don't think so! Homie don't play dat!


No Duceppe
said

Roland Godin - you're right, no pride in anything but Quebec - let's sit back and watch someone with no vested interest in seeing the rest of Canada survive this hardship, no experience nor ability, lead the way. Not very smart at all.


Brenda
said

I find it so funny reading all the comments. How soon we all forget what one party in power has done and so willing to blame the party in power. None of the parties follow what we want once they get into office. We voted for a minority gov't so that they would have to work together to run our country. And they still don't listen.
I agree putting a little more money back into our pockets will certainly help the economy. But we do have a long hard road ahead and it would certainly help if we could count on OUR Gov't to listen and work together............


Denise - Ex-Liberal
said

Here's hoping the budget is defeated, that we have yet another election and that the Conservatives win a MASSIVE majority. Obviously minority governments don't work in this country and to allow a coalition of parties that received very few votes from Canadians (especially those middle-class voters that the Liberals dearly love to tax), would be a slap in the face of every voter in this country. Time to shut the mouths of the opposition parties for once and for all!


Kathy SW Ontario
said

Sounds like Mr. Ignatieff's is merely threatening to not vote for the budget just to get everyones attention. He would be stupid to do this because in the future he will want to blame the Conservatives for the debt. Just another normal day in politics!


Brent in Calgary
said

No one voted for a coaltion. Why can't people see that? Either give the Conservatives a vote of confidence or send us to a general election. But a coalition of the incompetent? May it never be.


Mike Edmonton
said

No surprise the Liberals would be against permanently slashing taxes for the middle class. Let's remember that the Liberals spending promises are always made on the backs of the middle class.


Brian in Toronto
said

I think time has come for a flat tax rate in Canada. A flat rate across all income levels, except those below the poverty level, they pay no tax on income. Eliminate all the credits, too.
This would save Canadians a bundle and make everything fair.


BA
said

The Conservatives just can't win. First they propose a budget with less spending and the coalitiion of idoits protest, and then the Conservatives unveil a new budget with more spending to help the ecomony and the coalition still objects? This proves the coalition is more concerned about political posturing rather than the state of the ecomony. No matter what the Conservatives do the Liberals and NDP will object. I guess they feel as the oposition they must oppose absolutely everything in the interests of self preservation.


Tamara
said

Well, if this budget is oppossed, a second election will not go in anyone's favour because every will be too ticked off that the governement is screwing around with tax payers money AGAIN. instead of opposing, why not make suggestions to improve it. of course people aren't going to agree, this is politics!! HOWEVER, this is not the time. Canada's future is in these clowns' hands and they probably couldn't even agree on what to have for lunch. Instead of tax cuts, how about tax those a bit more who are fortunate enough to still have a job and be making over a $100,000 year. We don't need tax cuts, just spend our money better!!!! 10 year olds could get along better to run this country. it's time to GROW UP parliament.


Niagara George
said

This infrastructure package will be the best thing to come out of the recession/depression. You can be sure, if we didn't have this financial crisis, these neocons would have followed the Mike Harris example and cut infrastructure to the bare-bones.

We've all seen the bumper sticker that says, "We're spending our kids' inheritance." With the deficits Harper is planning, they will be spending our great-grandchildren's money.

If they would have kept the surplus, two years ago, and kept the GST at 7%, which was still much lower than most countries, we would be in a much better situation, today. But, Harper and friends are only interested in keeping power.

Obviously, lower taxes will attract many people. Perhaps the Libs should say they will eliminate income taxes. They can always change their minds after the election.

Harper has changed many points in his platform and I seldom see many negative comments posted here.


Alberta Believer
said

By running a deficit the Tories are illustrating their desire to survive over and beyond good fiscal sense. Non of these bailout packages or economic stimulus plans will work. All they'll do is deepen our economic woes and add to our debt.

But I guess the three socialist parties put guns to their heads threatening to take power and take this country back to Trudeaumania as being inspired by Mr. Obama south of the border.

We're truly in trouble.


freebird
said

Re MMB in Ontario

I agree with you. Harper is putting forward what the Opposition demanded back in the fall. It's politics everyone,even Obama has to play the game. I also agree things were pretty stable prior to the Layton led Coalitition debacle. If Obama's meeting with Haper goes well it will be easier to go forward for the sake of both countries. It would take a new government months to get up to speed to put through a stimulus package. Make your comments known to your local MPs, GG and fed reps not just these blogs.


Bring back Trudeau! get rid of the 4 idiots!
said

What will they talk about on Budget night, the weather?

We have all the information prior, why is that? Can`t we wait this budget night to annonce the budget?

I'm not sure why these guys are doing everything wrong. Looks like an insurance saleman that try to make you sign a policy and won,t shut up until you sign!

Politic is boring in Canada, we need a guy like Pierre Elliot Trudeau to make it exiting instead of plain boring!


John in Toronto
said

To all of you that are whining about the Liberals being against tax cuts for the middle class. I say go ahead and be pissed off and I hope Harper gives them to you, but you bloody well better not be whining when he puts more tax on you later at even a higher rate to pay for what he's giving you now.

No matter how you look at it, It will be either you pay now or pay later but make no mistake about it you WILL pay. What they should have done was lower the tax for the poorer folks, left the middle class where it is and closed the loopholes and increase the tax on the wealthier ones. Kept business separate from personal taxes and adjust as need be.


M M B Ont
said

If the budget gets defeated then bring on an Election giving only 2 weeks for campaigning. And let the Election be the Coalition versus the Conservatives. We don't want the Liberals, NDP Bloc or green Party running again as they all had their chance and the people spoke. The three asses formed a Coalition ,therefore only a 2 Party election with only 2 weeks to campaign because we already know all their BS that they want to shove on us !!


Dave W
said

Ok, the Conservatives propose a middle-class tax cut but the Liberals say this won't stimulate the economy. How does leaving money in Canadians pockets not help the economy? What, do they think we're all going to hide in the backyard or in our mattresses?


Greg in Nova Scotia
said

The Tory's have always complained about the Liberal "Tax and spend", but I believe that it is a much better plan than "Cut tax and put Canada into massive deficit." This is the Tory plan? I wish Canadians would wake up, remember the Muroney era, and decide how much longer they can handle the power hungry, right wing Consevatives, who put their own interests infront of the country. I wish Harper days would end, just like to Bush days and Canada could turn over a new (maple) leaf.




Jeff Lewis
said

I'm confused about something: isn't illegal to leak details of the budget because it allows people to invest in areas the government will be announcing spending in?

I recall in previous years, even within the Harper government when the RCMP was called to investigate budget leaks.

Have we abandoned this practice?


André in Ontario
said

What amazes me is people are supporting this budget without hearing everything that's in it. Harper is releasing the stuff that he believe that will make him look good. What you all should be worried about is the stuff that he isn't leaking. I'm not a supporter of Layton what so ever & this is the only time that I would agree with him is based on Harper,s track record he cannot be trusted. Harper is creating hate between region & people instead of trying to bring people together. Extremely poor leadership & intelligence.


Barb Malone
said

Difficult to say whether any party should support the budget until it is actually released.
Having said that, I would hope that very strict measures are taken to decide who is to be responsible for receiving this funding, that it actually creates jobs and stimilates the country abd even that the funding is released as promised. Further that the recipients are accountable, follow up audits need to be done in a timely matter.
Our politicians need to be accountable as well, to take responsiblity for their decision to put the country in such deficits for our future generations to pay. So often they are 'off-the-hook' when no longer in office.
Question - how does the Harper government have the right to announce funding or to install more Senators without having confidence of the House, I thought the house was in suspension at this time??


Gerald from Belleville
said

I'm proud to be a part of the middle class.

I work hard every day and bring home a decent amount of cash, and I also send out a large amount of money to the government.

I need a break. I need a tax break so that I have a little more money to spend.

I'm tired of all my money going to the "lower" classes (if I'm middle, that makes the other lower, right?). The government should be responsible only to provide basic health care, access to education, lodging, and food to those in need. Let's recap: a heated shelter, three basic meals a day (with all required nutrients) and clean water, medical help when necessary, and access to public education. Anything else is a LUXURY. Sorry to say, but the government is NOT responsible for pocket cash. If you're on welfare, you shouldn't have disposable income...I don't want to pay for a welfare person's ciggys and brewskies.

I have people on welfare in my family, and have worked with welfare people: some genuinely need help. But a lot of them ARE lazy, SOME stereotypes are true! In Montreal, a mother on extended welfare CAN qualify to get a new computer (internet access supplied) every 3 years and 3 movie tickets a month, and more...this happened to 2 of my very lazy relatives in the past 3 years. My younger cousin, who works 2 part time jobs and studies full time, could not get a 500$ grant to pay for necessary school materials (I paid for them).

Give us middle class a break: if we go down, the lower classes won't have anything anyways...


A. Opine
said

The budget is very much beside the point.

Not defeating the conservatives after they prorogued parliament to avoid a vote of confidence would be following one dangerous precedent with another, and two dangerous precedents don't make a right. It would only deepen the constitutional crisis and further erode the confidence and trust of the Canadian people in their government and country. The coalition must stand up for Canada and show Canadians and the world that minority governments here do not prorogue parliament to avoid a vote of confidence and get away with it.


Keith in Brampton
said

Mixed feelings about the infrastructure money - glad something is finally getting done about our crumbling underpinnings, but left wondering why they had to wait until we could least afford it before actually putting money into it. Now we'll pay for it several times over, once interest gets factored in...

As to the income tax cut for the middle class: sounds very much like a poison pill insertion. "Defeat this and tell the taxpayers in the election to follow why you don't want to give them a tax break." Typical Harper; worried more about short-term political gain than the good of the country.


Reginaldo
said

All in all the "coalition move" was good for Canada...it got rid of Dione, Harper has apparently woken up to the fact he hasn't a majority and started listening to others and now he has to quit acting like a bully. Iggy and Obama, a couple of Harvard guys running most of North America...now that would be a good good move!


Dale
said

Let the Libs or NDP show 1 piece of paper that proves they have tried to work with the government.

Of course they can't as their rhetoric is all BS, Libs are the most selfish group I've ever seen.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Say a tax cut equivalent to $ 1000.00 a year = $ 2.74 a day. So a tax cut of $ 1000.00 a year or less pays for:

- A coffee and a doughnut at Tim Horton's every day.
- A 1-way trip on the bus every day.
- Allows you 1 big ticket item such as a Stove, washer, dryer, chairs, sofa, etc...
- Additional RRSP contribution (More money the feds won't get for another 20 years).

Lose $ 1000.00, gain $ 50.00. What's wrong with that picture ?

Yo Flaherty, Private sale, $ 100.00 or better offer, MUST SELL !!! downtown property Ottawa, access to river, Incredible view, Building with huge clock on it, Library, 2 foyers, 2 living rooms, 20 + baths, 2 tunels, No Garage, fully landscaped, 2 sheds. Comes with its own LCBO and Barber, chauffeurs and security guards.

Interested ?




Vickie
said

If the current political parties defeat this budget and attempt to form a coalition, I want the GG to shut parliment down. FIRE the whole lot of them. The PM included. If we are going to have another election, lets start fresh.

The Liberal party will have to find someone else, no one who has ever run, no one who has ever led. Same for the Conservatives, the Green, the Bloc and the NDP.

I don't believe any of them. I don't think most of us trust either of them.

I think bullies and childish behavior that we have seen from the MP's, the Senate and the Policical leaders is appauling.

The country is in a turmoil and Layton likes it that way. He will not support the budget but he won't say why, he just says no. He has not even heard it yet.

Ignetieff never was elected. Was not chosen by the liberal party members by vote, he walks in drops his hat and says, I will lead you. To where? To create havoc in Canada?

I am unsure of the Bloc, not sure if Duceppe is after the PM job or a seperate Quebec. The party is not federal so we cannot vote for them anyway.

The green party is about as strong as a single blade of grass lead by a person from another country.

I don't know who the solution is but I do know that this current parliment is not it. None of them.

At this time I am ashamed of our political leaders. Even if they have an election it will not be run clean, it will not be run honest, it will not be run with the best interest of Canadians in mind.



Don from Barrie
said

We have no real leadership here in Canada they are all a bunch of sheep. Maybe they should look to the USA there is a real leader.He for the most part has put the people first and all the bull crap aside to get the job at hand done. And that is to get people back to work and the economy going again.


Dom
said

All political parties and leaders flip flop...it's part of the game.

Harper (pre-election): We won't have a deficit and Canada's economy is strong.

Harper (post election): We will have a large deficit and teh economy will be in a deep recession.

He did a complete 180 on the issue literally within weeks. Harper is a walking contradiction - there are MANY examples...but Iggy or Layton wouldn't be any better in that regard - that's what politics is, you need need to adapt your product to your customer.

Harper tried to run his minority as a majority and that makes him a very dumb politician.Ignatieff is the best current choice, he is the brightest by far and will make quick work of Harper - he's going to be ahead of Harper in the polls within 3 months.


Chris Ottawa
said

Why is everyone so dead set against giving us over taxed middle class any type of tax break? We earn too much to qualify for every handout to the poor and we don't make enough to stash money in places to help save tax. Everyone needs to remember that it is the middle class that pays more than anyone in tax and when we are gone who will then pay for the ill concived and ill run programs the left want us to have to effectively turning us into a nanny state?


Teri
said

Maybe they should stop fighting like children. It's very troubling times. Do they all want us to go into a depression? Work together for the whole Country.
Maybe everything that Obama is doing for the USA would not be good for Canada... But we are still attached by the hip to the USA and if they go down so do we period.


Warren
said

Lets get rid of Quebec, all they do is cost other Canadians billions, a little to much for Maple syrup. Lets get the jobs started, steel factories etc, lots of things we need, I know, why don't we keep paying union workers 70$/hr to put lugnuts on tires. Wake up people.


kon
said

Liberal wants more tax for the middle class. so if you don't want to pay tax, try to keep your pay below $38000!

B.C. has exactly the tax system Liberal calls for - they are latest to boom (2004) and the earliest to bust (late 2007), the high tax just kills every business and shorten econ booms. You go to Van, it looks a bit run-down cuz too much tax, no extra cash for ppl and business to renovate. High tax Liberals sucks


GG
said

Everything was going so well...the Conservatives got their act somewhat together and is delivering a stimulus budget that on the surface seems good enough to support. The devil is always in the details. This a positive sign as Conservatives, in general, do not support deficit spending. But these are special circumstances. What is disturbing are the permanent tax cuts. Lets face it everybody wants to pay less tax but at the end of the day we realize our governments need revenue to service the programs we want, as Canadians. The problem I have is that the tax cuts wont get people to spend more and now we'll have less tax revenue to pay back the $64B in deficit spending to stimulate the economy. Its seems very ill timed. Taxpayers at the end of the day will have to re- pay our debt so why defer the pain to future generations. Secondly my fear is that the Conservatives will then go onto major cuts to existing services and programs. Klein's Alberta government did this in the 90's and thus they have a shortage of doctors, nurses, hospitals, schools etc.etc.etc. I think the long term effect of that has been devastating and is partially if not fully responsible for their deficiencies. And their recovery program to re-instate these facilities and services has tripled the cost to their taxpayers. I like the stimulus package but disagree with the permament tax cuts at this time.


M M B Ont
said

Last fall we heard the NDP and Libs screaming .. the shy is falling, the sky is falling and Harper is doing nothing. Remember that folks? Jacky -poo was screaming people are losing their jobs and Harper is doing nothing ! So he weaseled Gilles and Dion into forming a coalition to over throw the gov't. Now harper is prepared to bring down a deficit budget which he did not want to do but is doing to appease these asses and Jacky-poo has long ago decided to vote against this budget and Iggy is planning on doing the same. If this budget is defeated tomorrow, that will set Canada back another few months in doing NOTHING to help the people who are losing jobs, will do nothing to help Canada get through this GLOBAL recession. What a bunche of jerks we have as Party Leaders. Canadians I suggest we withhold their paychecks or fire the lot if they don't want to get to work for the Canadian people. It's time they earned their money instead of playing games, fighting, whining and bullying one another and add to this list demonstrating a hatred for their fellow opponents.. a fine example to all our young citizens ! I am fed up with their childishness ! Let Mr Harper govern this country as he was elected to do.. not once but TWICE with even a larger minority ! Jacky-poo and Iggy... go whine in a corner if you must because this Canadian is tired of it !


Jim in Ottawa
said

I hear and read much about spending, spending, spending but read and hear little about cutting back on anything.

We seriously need to cut-back considerably on the public service. It is far too big and far too expensive with its gaurenteed defined pensions plans, extended maternal/paternal leave, and gold-plated benefit plans.

A substantially trimmed-down public service would certainly help stem the tide of red ink.


Two lefts don't make a right
said

The opposition Liberals will find if they vote down the government they may not get their wish but the GG will call an election and Harper will end up with his majority. We all know that Layton is the sneak of these parties and is so disturbed that his little charade is not working that he will do everything to make this parliament fail. Bad move Taliban Jack your party will be eliminated in the next election.Most Canadians other than Quebec prefer a two party system and you just blew it.


Sharon Hancock
said

It is of note that the Liberals and NDP (the so-called champions of working people) are against a tax break for the people who work in this country and pay taxes. Shame on them. Too bad they hadn't been as noble when faced with the prospect of losing the taxpayer funded vote subsidy. Hopefully taxpayers and voters will get to discuss that issue during the next election campaign.


Red X
said

Direct spending like on infrastruce guarantees job creation rather than paying EI.

Historically the Economy/GDP does better under the Libs.
The last recession came under Mulroney's conservatives...


Canuck in Bellingham WA
said

The opposition always responds to a budget with "what a terrible budget and why didn;t they do X, Y and Z?"

There are comments on here to the effect that leaking the budget early is wrong and that Harper should get his butt kicked for doing it. Actually it is just smart politics for a minority gov't to leak info so that the opposition parties have less ammo.

Anyhow, I read maybe 20 of the usual partisan comments on here, and gave up in disgust. I wish the parties would have a conscensus saying they will not have any of their hacks spouting rhetoric on here cuz we are all pretty sure that many of these posts are from the parties themselves.


canuckistani
said

Coalition today, coalition tomorrow, coalition forever!
We have no one to blame but ourselves. Stop blaming people we elected fairly and legally time and time again. If you want less government then stop lining up for handouts. Each region gets their piece, it's just nuanced names for government welfare programs


Stop the Politicing!
said

ENOUGH!!

The stupid liberals cried aloud when their needs and wants weren't heard - and threatened to take their ball and leave the playground. So, the conversatives said, okay, we will listen, and they did!..to the Tune of a historic Deficit of $34 Billion!..(thanks!) And now the convervatives are announcing the mutually agreed upon economic stimulus package and all we hear are the liberal critics whining about the conservatives!

Will the Children please quiet down! Stop your complaining and make work together you whining liberals!


Sharon B. Another Westerner
said

The one thing I notice is that every time a recession happens and deficit spending begins its almost always when the conservatives are governing.

We seem to be vacant of responsible government no matter who gets in but why does Harper uses such underhanded tactics. If he was such a leader then why is he caving to opposition ? (!) Its because he would rather spend his time dividing Canadians and parliment. Obama is working to unit Americans and Harper works to divid Canadians. And its shows by the partisan comments that are always posted.

There is no way in hell that you can satisfy everyone but at least show a leadership that brings people together especially during these most turbulent times.
We need a leader of compassion and vision...Harper needs a microscope to see even the most simplist of things.


Randy
said

It doesn't matter what the Conservatives do, the NDP and Bloc would never support it. If the budget gets voted down, I hope we get an election rather than the Coalition. I could much more live with the fact the Liberals get voted in, than the Liberals, along with the NDP and Bloc just seizing power, which is all Layton wants, a little taste of power!


Canada Goose Whistler
said

One month ago I asked for an extention on my tax payment, so I could pay my employee's. I was given 2 weeks to pay or legal action, my employee's got no christmas pay check. This government says it will do things to help but it doesn't do anything.
I lost confidence in Harper when he said canadas economy was doing fine then he went & hide.
Wake up canada & let the liberals take us out of this mess.
Please Mr Harper step down Its the only good thing you can do for canada.


JR
said

so they want to vote down the budget...is that a surprise...first they ask the government to spend and get things back on track and then when parts of the budget ar leaked the Liberals say it is a deficit and yet that is what they asked for...they nor the NDP or BQ...are ever happy because they forget about the people and have their own agenda to fill their pockets but let the rest of us go to hell on a roller coaster...the three stooges now with a new leader in Iggy are still set against whatever the Conservatives bring forward because they still for got to grow up and be men instead of little boys who want to run the country...and would they do a better job, I tnink not...they have not plan except to overthrow the Conservatives. Come on guys grow up and work together for the betterment of the country and its people.


Glenn in London
said

Please Mr. Ignatief - do not vote against this budget! An election is the last thing we need in this country (actually the last thing we need is a coalition which includes a party dedicated to destroying Canada). The budget is responsible and contains all of the goodies the Liberals have demanded. It should be supported by all parties.


Steve V
said

Come on people, this is the worst budget ever. We are not that bad so far. I went to the mall this saturday, it was still packed with people and I could not find a seat to eat. We are not in bad shape. The Tories are just imitating the USA as usual.


Dan
said

Many people talk about a tax cut for the middle class not being a good idea. They will save it!

That's right, I will save it, and in my new $5000.00 a year tax free savings account and save 100% of any taxes on my interest. Thanks Harper!

BTW, who brought in the idea that interest should be taxed in the first place. I remember a time when you did not pay taxes on interest. It was the Liberals that brought that one in. NO THANKS is my answer to that. I work hard for my hard earned taxes and I would like to keep some of it.


Sam C
said

I don't believe it would matter what measures the budget contained; the opposition parties will oppose it merely on principal.

However, while the Liberals may object vocally, I suspect they will somehow manage to allow it to pass -- they cannot afford an election, and I'm not sure Iggy is prepared to honour the unholy alliance with Layton and Duceppe.


J.C.
said

Damned if they do, and Damned if they don't!!
This is the position that the opposition and the coalition has put our government into. It is in my opinion blackmailto do things their way!!! It is no wonder many Canadians no longer vote at the poles with all the shananigans that go on in parliament so that each party can have their own way. The conservatives have never really had the chance to prove whether they could make a good contribution to our country with the nonsense that has been going on in parliament the last few years as they can never put anything through that is worthwhile, thanks to the opposition's constant threats.
I hope the cons will get a majority next time around so that at least they will get a chance to prove themselves worthy of running the country. I am so tired of parliamentarians games and back stabbing. The opposition has proven to me that they couldn't give a damn about the average Canadians only their "right to power". Or so they believe!!!


Maureen
said

I don't understand the reasoning against tax cuts - people will just use it to pay their debts - how can that be bad! If you are a small business (like me) waiting for people to pay you the money owed so that you can turn around and purchase new supplies, equipment, products etc. - that generated economic activity. As for the cry that unemployed don't need tax cuts - we are at 6% unemployment - even if it went to 10% that means that 90% are working - and the need a tax cut. I really think the reason people on the left don't want tax cuts is that individuals will control what they do with the money rather than governments.


DW
said

Doug BC said,

"In recent years it has become acceptable for the opposition to do little or nothing beyond "opposing" the government.How sad for all of us.I remember the days that anyone who opposed any idea was required to give a reason for their opposition,and actually propose an alternative."

He then went on to say,

"Frankly,it's a miracle Canada is still standing.If this country is ever really successful,it will be in spite of our Parliament rather than because of it's "work"."

Doug, you have opposed something without providing an alternative or thought-out solution.


Alan
said

I think at times we lose sight of the fact that 93% of the workforce is working. This may fall to 90% but that is still better than the 87% of the recessions of the 80's and 90's.It is these 93% that can make a difference. How might we win their confidence. Oh how about a tax break. All the criticism, the complaining by people gets tiresome. People need to quit looking at the US and their situation and acknowledge that maybe we are in a better place and build on this. The budget sounds like they have conferred with the best minds to put it together. As fas as I am concerned at this point any objections are nothing more than grandstanding and partisan politics that put self interests ahead of the country.


Red X
said

To the scenerario speculation; Today throne speech, Tomorrow budget at 4pm after the market closes so people don't trade on leaked info.

Thursday, the Bloc will introduce amendments. The NDP will call for more social spending. The Libs will call for more protection of the vulnerable.
The Coalition OR Election will be in play to keep Harper to his Promises(Maybe)

February, the amendeded budget will have to be accepted by the Conservatives to pass 3 readings at which point it goes to the Appointed Senate.

Money starts to flow but does not have a statistical effect until 6 months later when the lag shows the data... Ofcourse by 2010 economic activity will improve due to Obama & the Dems...


Anthony
said

So the budget gets knocked down and we go back to the polls. Not a big deal considering we get no say whatsoever with the government.

I'm not even going to vote if we go to the polls. No one really deserves my vote at this point in time.

I suggest you do the same. Maybe another low voter turnout across the nation will change their thinking a bit, and perhaps they will listen to us, the Canadian people.

Until then, enjoy the dictatorship of the Canadian government.


anne ott
said

since the middle class are paying for everything in this country (ie not the rich and not the poor) it makes sense to cut us a break at tax time, FINALLY. this frees up money for us to spend, which is what the country needs right now, we have been gouged long enough. the rich have tons of money and will spend anyways, and the poor are probably in debt up to their eyeballs in this economy, so this is a logical step. it appears to me that Ignatieff and Layton want to oppose Harper on principle alone. generally he is doing things they asked for, except perhaps the middle class tax break, though of course the proof of that will be in the unveiling tomorrow I guess. something has gotta be done about credit card rates though, are you listening Flaherty? I have zippo credit card debt but someone with a lower income where their cards are maxed, at these high interest rates, will literally never ever get out of debt unless they win the lottery!


Cindy
said

We all know that the middle class supports all of Canada.

But has one Liberal, NDP, or Bloc memeber thought that perhaps its time to give us a break????

Do ya think we enjoy carrying the burden of supporting all those on welfare?? Do ya think we like it that at every budget time we look for a break and all we get is the shaft. Hell, I have to pay for my neighbors kids to be babysat???? I looked after mine why can't they do the same??

And for all of you who seem to know that middle class will save the money or pay down debt I have news for you...we are sick and tired we want to surround ourselves with the things the so-called poor enjoy. I wanna go on a well desereved vacation. I want a new livingroom outfit. There are so many of us out there that need the break so maybe we can afford to do what the lower and upper class of this country get to do!!

If the liberals stop this budget due to breaks in it for the middle class..then there had better be an election cause this time there will be a majority!!!!


Lee
said

Hopefully, Parliament will not get another break 45 days from now. They've been off long enough already. Also, if they're going to put so much money into infrastructure, maybe they can finally repair Riverside Dr. in Ottawa. It was a piece of crap the first time I was living in Ottawa (89-93) and its still a piece of crap. On the political side of things, it would be great if our elected officials could get on with the task of running this great country and put aside their personal ambitions for advancement. After all, it doesn't seem to matter who sits in the big chair, its the same BS all the time.


Donna
said

It wouldn't matter who is in power at this time. Nothing would be right for all of the political parties. I am a Conservative, but do not hesitate to call a bad move when made. Right now Canadian politics needs an injection of new ideas, economics, and younger fresher imput to unite this country. Proud to be Canadian, but watched as a refreshing new US President took the oath of office with such intensity to "work together for all people". The "tired old liberals" trying to survive; the "media hyped NDP" and the sometimes "stubborn Conservatives" ALL need to remember that as Canadians, we will stand together and make these politicians accountable. Anyone want to initiate a new, inspiring, intelligent, political party that Canada can be proud of?


Cory in Calgary
said

LIBERALS SHOULD VOTE DOWN THE BUDGET...
Cons made mistakes that were and are too costly. then tried to hood wink ALL Canadians with an early election full of lies and nothing has changed.
Vote the fools out and move on with a coalition...not much difference between a coalition of 3 parties or a coalition between two parties as the Cons need. Cons could have puckered up and kissed the butts of any one of the other three parties to form its coalition. Instead it tried to shove it up where the sun don't shine. That is and was not in Canadains best interest so therefore, the new coalition would be in Canadians best interest...GG.
Or would you like the Cons and Harper to continue ramming it where the sun don't shine everytime they try to bend you over as they threaten to get defeated in a majority vote in the House...get rid of the JOKE of the Century in Canadain Politics...bye bye Harper. Would you like a little whine with your...grovelling Alliance agenda Harper?




Alex (Toronto)
said

History clearly shows that tax cuts don't create enough economic growth or stimulus during a deficit to pay for themselves, and simply causes a greater deficit. Likewise tax increases don't dampen economic growth. That's why the US economy grew during the Clinton years and stalled during the Bush years.

Liberals have made their priorities clear. If the government wants to cause an election because they are unable to read a newspaper, watch television, or pick up a telephone, that's their issue. Adding tax cuts to the mix just creates a bigger hole that a future government will have to dig out of. The Mulroney government's inability to resolve this is why they tripled Canada's national debt.

Liberals are doing everything politically possible to ensure that Canada deals with the economic crisis in a useful way. Governments need to spend money in the short term to fill the job gap until the private sector can recover, and governments need to help workers and borrowers who have been hurt by the crisis. That's all the government should be doing. Conservatives are pulling out their doctrinaire tax-cut policies which have already failed. If they can't get past their ideology and acknowledge what is really going on, some other government will have to deal with the problem.

Liberals are giving the Conservatives a lot of room to solve the problem. If the Tories can't figure out a rational budget, the Liberals should offer amendments. Canada hasn't had a functioning government since Steven Harper quit his job at the beginning of September. Many other countries are taking hard steps to deal with the crisis; if Harper won't do the work that is required, he should step aside.


Concerned Canadian
said

Kate, if you read the article again, I think you'll see that it is the Liberals, not the NDP, who are against a middle class tax cut.

Tax cuts combined with deficit spending will indeed be a burden for future generations, unless the stimulus gets the economy back on track, and allows greater government revenues in the future. In that case, the Liberals should re-think their opposition to these cuts.

All of us owe a debt of gratitude, however, to the coalition members who had the guts to stand up against the Conservatives and demand a budget that responded to the world-wide economic crisis. It as certainly a wake up call for a minority government that thought it could push its conservative agenda during a time of economic crisis. Canadians are finally beginning to realize how the British Parliamentary system works- except for Mr. Harper, who today on the news repeated the misinformation that if his government is defeated, there must be another election. Why does he continue to misrepresent the facts this way?

It's true that the Liberals have complained about Mr. Harp[er going into deficit, but if he hadn't spent the surplus that the Liberals managed to accrue, then we wouldn't have to go into deficit now when we need to. Unfortunately, Conservative fiscal policy has put us in this position, and it took the coalition to get us out, at the cost of increased debt.


Jamie Lyle
said

The last thing that we need is for the budget to inject money into the colleges and universities. We need concrete jobs, not to keep going back to school because credentials keep raising the bar for everyone. And keep the green fund out of the picture for now. How does THAT stimulate the economy. Help the middle class!


Norm from Ontario
said

It seems appropriate today - the beginning of the Chinese Lunar New Year - to offer to Canadians - "May you live in interesting times". We are in times what some may describe other than "interesting" but regardless, it is not a time for "power grabs" or engaging vigorously in the "politics of blame" since we truly are facing momentous decisions around the protecting and the need to preserve the financial and economic vialbility of our truly great country - and ensuring the standard of living we have all seemingly taken for granted.

So I personally have no problem with the so-called "leaks" by the Conservative Party of Canada related to the upcoming budget, and if I may suggest, other than what some may call strategic manipulation, I see something different. In fact, new times call for new approaches and ideas and I for one, welcome the opportunity for "advanced" notice of what will be in the budget and see the strategy somewhat akin to the approach taken by the new U.S. President, Barach Obama.

I truly hope that Michael Igatieff exercises his considerable intellect and will support the budget, unless he finds something in it, immoral and help all of us reduce our anxiety level about our current situation by engaging in a coalition or prompting an election, when times call for calm, ala President Obama and a new world order - Canadian style of cooperation and true collaboration.


Fred - Brandon MB
said

Unfortunately this budget will never see the light of day. Each party has already staked out its position.
The NDP will defeat it no matter what. Layton cannot control his fixation on becoming the 1st NDPer in the cabinet, and nothing will divert him from that goal.
The Liberals have been laying the groundwork for voting against the budget to "save" Canada from Harper. The truth is that the opportunity to seize control of government is just too tempting. Even if Harper had allowed the Liberals free reign to write the budget, they still would defeat it. Liberals see themselves as the "natural governing party" and have an entitlement to govern.
Harper has abandoned all common sense to present a budget designed to appease the opposition, but they won't be appeased. Blatant self interest will win out over the best interests of Canadians


Kevin Kotski
said

The circus is back up and running in Ottawa.

All of them are just a bunch of clowns.

If they don't pass this budget tomorrow watch the markets get slaughtered.

The world must scratching their heads at the baffoonism going on in Ottawa.


Ed Lenarcic, Toronto
said

Regardless of who is in power, I'd like to see the Opposition parties prepare their own budgets, with printed copies handed out at the same time as the gov't's. Instead they just wait and simply oppose. I'll bet that a Liberal budget would look very similar to a Tory one. That would then take out most of the politics and let them concentrate on those areas of honest disagreement.


James in New Brunswick
said

This is going to be interesting.

What is likely to happen:

1. Budget Defeated - not enough spending and too many tax cuts - NDP Point of view

2. Budget Defeated - too much spending and too many tax cuts - Liberal Point of view

Either way, Coalition leads to the NDP FINALLY getting the smallest taste of actual political power. Election could go either way.

3. Budget Passes - too much spending and too many tax cuts but Opposition will let the Govt take the blame for not "making" Canada's economy recover and then say "I told you so...."

Election results in another decade long Liberal dynasty until their arrogance causes their own demise.

Best thing for the Government is to let the Budget be defeated and then come back stronger than ever after the Liberals fail to make things any better using only minor variations of the same plan.






edd-medhat
said

You can bet the Libs,NDP,Bloc did not propose amendments or any alternatives to the coming budget because then they would have to either defend something or support it. It's much easier to criticize.


WesternCanadianSpeaks
said

I agree with the Liberal Finance Critic, the GST Cut was a bad idea and so is a middle class tax cut.

On a personal note: I hope the liberals let the harper conservative fall. I cannot stand them. They don't follow through with anything they promise and promise projects and never deliver.
Thats right im a western canadians "the westernist"


Shirlee - SK
said

Alot of good comments, I agree with Michael from Kamloops, the vehicles got to move that would solve all of the automakers and their suppliers problems.


John in Calgary
said

I really hope these Billion's don't go to unionized organizations that are going to spend a quarter of the money on lunch breaks and another quarter of it on an extra hour overtime.

These projects are being made because people are losing jobs, a person who doesn't have a job and can't find a job should have no problem working for a lower wage then they did before. As these are "difficult" times and they are not the only ones that lost their job and need this money.

Perhaps society again as it has in the past will take a paycut so that their neighbour can keep their job?


Red X
said

Kat, Harper should resign and that would improve parliament.

Harper called an early election, violated the fixed date rather then deal with a slowing economy.

Countries around the World have acted with "Stimulus packages" The 2 Lost months due to Prorogation so Harper could save conservative jobs has not improved our prospects. Really, in the last 5 months the house sat 12.5 days...Harper the Economist?! is introducing the budget Deficit NOT the coalition.


Cambob
said

If the middle class gets a tax cut and they "save" it (in a bank) then the banks have more liquidity to loan money out. This in turn decreases the credit crunch and more people buy cars and homes. In turn, this gives auto workers and forestry people jobs.

Um, how stupid are these Liberals anyway?


Matt
said

Tax cuts make sense, more money in hand means you're more comfortable spending it, and making larger purchases. Get a new car lease, buy a new washer/dryer.
Even simply paying off debt will help people feel better about their financial situation.


Viking) Kris Valgardson Gimli,Mb.
said

The Liberals are so angry about losing so many seats last election.That they must have a hard time swallowing their pride and admitting the Canadians had enough of their governing.I don't think they have 10 cents in the bank to run another election?.Thats why they were so angry about giving back the money to the Canadian people, a $1.95 for each vote cast in their favour.The most blatant theft the majority Liberals brought in.


Greg in the Hammer
said

Permanent tax cuts WILL NOT RESULT IN PERMANENT DEFICITS. This is nothing more than Liberal fear mongering and posturing. They want you to believe that the years of Liberal surpluses was good governance. What it was was gross overtaxation. Lowering the tax burden on those that drive the economy will result in the types of investments that create jobs. Period.


kate
said

I don't understand why the NDP won't support tax cuts for the middle class? It's middle class, not upper class. People like myself who is lower middle class, who works hard and would love to have a bit of extra money but no the NDP wants me to suffer. But god forbid the CAW members who make double my wage in some cases, I have to pay taxes to support their lost cause? You wait until next election and we the middle class will remember who voted against us tomorrow and we'll show you what we think of it.


Jim-Surrey
said

OMG!

Will someone put a sock in the Liberals mouths!
Canada didn't want them so they will try to overthrow the Tories to get the power we Canadians didn't want them to have! We suffered through their rein before and don't want to go there again!
There is no political party in Canada that can fix this mess quickly, they must think the voters are idiots!
The GG needs to step in and make this work instead of all the childish political behavior we have been witnessing.
I hate to say it BUT the U.S. has a better political system and we need to look at that and change ours desperately!!!!!!!!!!


Roger T
said

We need a CHANGE and need it NOW. A fresh look into a old way of doing things. It's obvious that the current Gov't isn't doing much but rather getting the country into a massive debt load with tax payers money.

We need CHANGE quick before the economy sinks deeper under the current Gov't.


Red X
said

Lane, tax cuts for the rich did not work in the U$. Bush's Admin only created 3 million jobs in 8 years. Not enough to keep up with population growth.

The propose tax cut for the person would best be used to
1.pay down high interest debt
2.save in an RRSP of TFSA
3.consumer spending (which could include buying products made in foreign countries/HQ)


The Other Lowell in BC
said

Tax cuts to middle class.
I think a few people are missing the boat on the liberals opposition to this. I don't think they are opposed to providing tax breaks to the middle class but are objecting to these tax cuts becoming permanent as opposed to temporary to provide stimulus to consumer spending. I think that to make them permanent would in effect hobble the current and future governments and also pepetuate deficit spending. Unfortunately, Harper chose to reduce the GST which now is badly needed revenue that could offset some of the proposed deficit spending. It was a decision that lacked both vision and clarity and only meant as a vote getter. A while back his advisor Tom Flanagan conjectured that Harper purposefully has reduced revenue to the government to force government institutions to downsize and in some cases to disappear. The laisez faire model which is little regulation and government intervention.


Jeff
said

Tax cuts are a way to stimulate the economy, not raise taxation.

That was one of the biggest pitfalls what caused the great depression - the government raised taxes and people did not have the money to spend.

When times are tough, you give people money to spend. Times are good, you raise taxation. Economics 101


KDR
said

Heaven forbid tax cuts for the middle class... Any party that opposes tax cut the the middle class needs to stop pandering to the low end of the scale and give a break to those of us who are working and juggling family whilst trying to get by - which is getting harder every day. My husband and I would love to have another child but are thinking long and hard about it because we don't know if we can really afford daycare... and we live a modest lifestyle. As time goes it seems clear the attitude of the Liberals and NDP is unless you have chosen welfare as your career there is no need to worry about the middle class, because they do not care about us...we'll just keep paying the taxes. I am not in love with the Conservatives, but kudos to them for not forgetting us...

And for those who site Gilles Duceppe as a possible leader of Canada please go have your head examined.


Kris D.
said

I’m not sure this strategy is going to work for Harper. We're already in bad shape due to his previous tax cuts.

Telling Canadians he will make it all better with even more tax cuts probably won't work on intelligent Canadians. They know that this will lead to permanent deficits.

So to those that want even more tax cuts:

Look, you've already saddled the next generation with over 400 billion in debt. Do you really think it's fair to add another 100 billion plus?

Stop being so greedy and irresponsible.



simon
said

No single party can turn around this economical crisis. Certainly not the Tories who are constantly looking for ways to increase their chances of winning a majority.

We need a government of national unity until the next due date for elections.
This way there will not be any partisan politics.


BA in The 'Peg
said

So McCallum and the Liberals says no tax cuts for the middle class.

However, these are the same clowns that were going to bring down the government because their tax-payer paid financing (which by their own comments means the majority of that money is from Middle Class tax payers) was going to be taken away.

Hmmmm.... sounds like the 'ol Liberal double standard to me....

Hey Liberals, vote down the budget, we'll have another election, and then watch out...



Chris in Ontariariari-Oh!
said

I recently listened to Jack Layton on television and the main reason's he had for not supporting the impending budget is that it would not include enough social spend ing,an example he gave was national daycare.This coalition is just an excuse for the socialist's to get theie wishlist filled at the expense of the rest of the taxpaying public.As far as the liberal's are concerned they are walking a tightrope watching the poll's and hoping to ride the liberal/Obama wave that is dominating the new's in the U.S.They are even trying to brand their new leader Ignatieff as some new and hip intellectual following in the style of Obama.But their not agreeing to the budget because of the tax break's to the middle class only goes to show you how still out of touch the liberal party really is as the middle class are the largest consumer group in Canada of durable good's and to not free up money for them to spend is totally ludicrous.The liberal party has been highjacked by the socialist's and will continue to lose relevance as a national party if they don't return to their centrist root's.If they follow the advice of the like's of Bob Rae they will end up with the same sort of policy's that caused a protracted recession in Ontario in the 90's.While the U.S. had come out of the recession,Ontario was mired for several more year's because of the social economic experiment's Rae put Ontarian's through.At that time Ontario was in an employment deficit for the first time since the great depression.The thing Canadian's need to ask themselve's,is this the chance you want to take with this coalition?


Shirlee - SK
said

If the budget is defeated, the GG should force an election. Iggy, Layton and Duceppe are not interested in anything but their own agenda. Canada's best interests are not being met. Our political system stinks, nothing gets accomplished. The wanna-bees are holding the country hostage for nothing, they have no better ideas than the Cons. The Liberals will tax us to death (thats the Middle Class). I personally appreciate the little breaks the Cons. have given us after they came into power.


Doug BC
said

As a "Commercial Transport Mechanic" I find the headline that our MP's are about to "return to WORK" to be a bit of a joke.In our outdated,adversarial form of democracy,the government is the only party that actually has to do some work.The rest of them just get to sit back and dredge up a load of foul mouthed rhetoric to oppose anything the government puts forward.
In recent years it has become acceptable for the opposition to do little or nothing beyond "opposing" the government.How sad for all of us.I remember the days that anyone who opposed any idea was required to give a reason for their opposition,and actually propose an alternative.And provide the costs of their own amendments.
Now,the ONLY reason the opposition even sits in the house,is that they are looking for a reason to defeat the government.
As "Matt" said,"let the yelling and shouting commence".I still have nightmares with visions or Ralph Goodale,on his feet,his fist shaking as he screams out "the neo-cons are coming,the neo-cons are coming.Hide your women and children".
Frankly,it's a miracle Canada is still standing.If this country is ever really successful,it will be in spite of our Parliament rather than because of it's "work".
And that doesn't even go near that joke,and afront to democracy that we call a Senate.If we can't FIX IT,we must ABOLISH IT!!


John in Toronto
said

The Other Lowell in BC
Well if the liberals are not happy with the budget, they should propose amendments. The conservatives are claiming that they never received input to the budget from the liberals but I don't buy that. Again it is just this game playing that Harper is so happy to indulge in.


I agree with this. But make no mistakes in doing so, and I would like to see the party donations clause put back to the old way instead of the $1.95 so that I,as a private citizen, can support the party of my choice anyway I see fit. If the Conservatives don't like this proposal, then they can defeat their own budget for political reasons like they SAY the coalition tried to do.If the Conservatives feel so strongly about their budget, this small concession shouldn't bother them at all, should it. We'll see then who has the betterment of the country foremost in their plans or who wants to destroy AA politcal parties instead so there is no compitition


Gary Thunder
said

Wow, Parliament MPs have worked 18 days since June, and have received no pay cuts and no layoff notices.

I really do feel sorry for the GG having to read aloud Harpers lies. It cheapens her reputation and heightens suspicions she is being manipulated by Harper.

What happened to the confidence vote that was scheduled in December on the Economic statement?


Matt
said

This is an election budget.
Any budget without major spending cuts will be a deficit budget, if you're going to have one, you might as well make it a big one.

The conservatives have constructed a budget with big money for everyone, social housing, tax cuts, infrastructure, green policies.

This is not a conservative budget, and not what I voted for.
This is simply ammunition to attack the opposition in the election if the budget fails.


David
said

So the Liberals want to go the polls by voting against a tax cut? I know one taxpayer who won't support them.
They must be counting on a coalition getting the governor generals approval or they wouldn't be making such stupid threats.
A middle class tax cut equals 'no new Liberal social programs'. They know that. They have lots of pet projects that will need funding. We need a lot less dependence on government and a whole lot more initiative from individuals. Bring on the tax cut.


Steve in Fredericton
said

Mark my words: The budget will be tabled for a vote. The Conservatives will support it (obviously).

The Liberals will support it because neither a coalition nor an election are in the Liberal interest at this time.

The NDP will vote against it because Jack Layton has no regard for the Canadian people.

The Bloc will reject it because there's not enough for Quebec (and they secretly desire a coalition as their only hope to have political impact in this country).

End-state: More of the same BS from an elected body that only acts in the interest of their political party and does not represent the population. Our budget and our whole political system is being held hostage by narrow-minded, over-indulgent political parties.


The Other Lowell in BC
said

Bev,
How can you say Ignatieff is more power hungry than Harper. You must have missed Harper's tactics to discredit the opposition at every move last year. Remember all those attack ads against DION even when there was no election being called. Right now I trust Iggy a whole lot more than I do Harper. Harper simply has no class and will do anything to keep his job. He has done about faces on pretty much everything that he has promised or purports to believe in. The opposition are right that he can't be trusted to do what he says he is going to do.


Lane
said

Left-leaning theorists like McCallum and Iggy argue that taxpayers will simply squirrel away any tax cuts they receive. However, empirical studies, like the recent one by the Chair of Barack Obama's Council of Economic Advisors, Christina Romer, show that tax cuts are far more effective than direct government spending in stimulating the economy. Every dollar in tax cuts generates three dollars of economic activity, whereas a dollar of government spending generates only 1.4 dollars of economic activity.


Carmen
said

Middle class here and if the liberals don't accept this budget and forces an election, I swear I am voting Conservative this time. The whole world is in a deficite right now. How much more do you want to take from the middle class? Any chance we can get a break sometime and yes we will spend it, because that's what we do and probably give it back to charities too. Give us nothing and you will be in a bigger deficite then you can imagine. Everyone will suffer.


Cassidy Kanata
said

Please give the Conservative party a chance to do their job. I could not imagine Mr. Layton in charge during an economice mess like this nor Mr. Ignatief. This is not a time for the ego to surface. There is a lot of fear in people at present. The information for the stimulus package so far appears to be like a mutual fund of diversification. That is ok by me. A little hear a little their and try to cover as many bases as you can. Are other countries doing anything different? At least our banks have it right. We are probably in the best shape of any country. We Canadians really are wealthy when I think of how much wealth is estimated to be passed on to our children in the comming years. I would like our government to address those in need in a timely fashion what ever it takes. Perhaps its time for people to plan to be more prepared for down turns, you know "save for a rainy day or hurricane". Perhaps the fear that now exisits in the general population could also be addressed by our government. No more bickering, yes $64 billion is a lot of money lets work to-gether to get the most for our dollar.


Don
said

If Harper had said "The will be no tax relief for the middle class ", The Liberals would respond " We can't support this budget because there is no relief for the middle class"

No win senario for The Conservatives


dwayne-ottawa
said

Why are they coming back to work at the end of January? What a silly move to pay for all those flights from their ridings to Ottawa and in another 45 days the house will be shut down for Easter break personally I think it would be cheaper for the tax payers to have them work from home. If you really call it work, its all meetings that can be done with a teleconference.


Franky
said

I'm not a fan of the conservatives... but if the liberals vote down this budget with tax cuts to the middle class... surely there will be a conservative majority after the next election. Mr. Ignatieff isn't going to let that happen... at least I hope


Diane from Northern Ontario
said

It's about time the middle class got a break with the tax cuts. Every time there have been tax cuts it's usually for corporations, the rich and some time the poor.
I hope the budget goes through without the children throwing a temper tantrum.


Kat
said

I think we should fire all the politicians. They have proven that, we the people, are not their main concern.

We gave Harper a stronger minority government and I'm willing to bet that the majority of those who voted conservative did so because of the economy.

I don't think the majority of Canadians want a deficit but the opposition do, so they formed a coalition and tried to overthrow our government.

Harper is set to announce a budget full of deficit spending to appease the coalition and still they are not happy...could it really be that they formed the coalition because of fear of losing their $1.75/vote?

Well, should they not support the government's massive spending bill, then we will know won't we.

Either way, the coalition is a joke, Harper caved to their demands and is willing to put my grandchildren (not born yet) into debt.

Fire. Them. All.


Vero Montreal: Harper-Obama balanced approach
said

Obama included tax cuts in his stimulus plan just like Harper.
The Liberals just like McCain are opposed to them.
I like Harper's Balanced approached.




EDcp
said

It's all about power. Of course the budget will be defeated. Simply because we have many, many politicians but not one statesman among them.


JM
said

Yes, the budget is on Tuesday. Why is Harper thumbing his nose at Parliament, again, by releasing bits of it before then. That's the problem, Harper has no respect for Parliament or the opposition, and no respect for Canada. He wants to do what he wants to do, torpedos be damned. That's why the coalition should pull the plug on this traitor, soon.


Alan
said

I expect the Liberals will do the right thing for the country and the people and support the budget. Mr Ignatieff realizes that a coalition would be a disaster with the rogue Jack Layton and his band alongside him. Another election would further delay the decisions for 5-6 months. His choosing anything but support will leave a foul taste with voters for years to come. Frankly it is Mr Ignatieff that has everything to lose here.


Michael from Kamloops
said

You want to really help the economy? Pay off everyone's mortgage for those families making $75,000 or less a year. I am in that income group and the first thing I would do is go out and buy a brand new truck for me and a new van for my wife. We would inject over $60,000 into the auto industry just ourselves. Now multiply that with thousands of families across Canada and the impact would be huge.

The government is going to spend over 100b on help the economy, I think this would be a good way to spend that money.


James
said

I don't get it....it is bad to tax middle class that makes up this country? I am sorry forgot about us families who are raising future tax payers.

Instead let's spend $$$ on infastructure that will create jobs which helps economy but construction companies(most of them) are thieves and will 'butter' the costs tax payers will be paying plus finds ways to make the work needing repair in 20 years to keep them busy.

What happens to the people hired for infastructure work in 5-10 years when it is all complleted? How will our unemployment look then?

Only infastructure we should spend is preping for aging baby boomers and schools(the buildings itself not a dime for the teachers)


Earl Robert (Kiss)
said

The problem is too many political parties. One comment mentioned bringing back the Rhino Party. It's no wonder we are in such a mess. How many more political parties do we want to choose from? A two party system is the answer. KISS "Keep It Simple Stupid".


bev
said

It is not Duceppe that is the problem. It is Ignatieff and the Liberals. They are the ones who are power hungry and willing to sacrifice Canada so they can get back into power. Ignatieff is the one who is playing politics and keeps threatening the government with the coalition. Is he going to have to resort to Dion's tricks and not show up to vote but not bring the government down because he knows that he will get an even worse beating if they go to the polls?


New leader needed !
said

I don't trust Layton whatsoever and I don't trust Ignatieff, and Prime Minister Harper would prefer to play politics with either of their heads and we Canadians are once again left at the curb to pick up the tab....

We need a new leader in Canada, one who puts Canada first ahead of their own interests. These other guys are just playing games and not serious about our country.

Where will we find such a leader? we badly need to fix our broken political system and the RCMP who are their puppets to hide the corruption and incompetence.



Cathy
said

The more I read about about everbody in parliment the less I like them.

Those who make suggestions are critcized by critics who have yet to make a single good suggestion.

Some of the best suggestions worth considering have been what I have read on this site posted by average people.

A note to Mr. Harper...it is impossible to satisfy everyone 100% no matter how much or how hard you try.


Cody in Fredericton
said

Tuesday's budget will be one of the most crucial and interesting that we will have seen in quite some time. In November Harper and the Conservatives displayed that they just did not get Canadian politics at all, or that they just don't care. The Conservatives are saying they have gotten no input from the Liberals, but McCallum and Brison met with Flaherty in mid-December and only in the last week have heard anything back from him.
The proposed tax-cuts sound good, obviously; but tax cuts are not the best way to stimulate the economy during a recession. This is why the Liberals say they cannot support the budget if it does contain these new tax cuts. We will be entering into a $64 Billion deficit. That sounds like a lot, and it is but it is nothing we can't get out of. But these permanent tax cuts will result in a permanent deficit. Do we want to burden our future generations with this? Are more tax cuts worth the consequences?
I can't wait to hear the budget tomorrow; it will be interesting to see if Harper is ready to give up the game playing.


NT
said

I guess we should thank MPs for going back to work?


Cheryl from Ontario
said

CANADA is a great country to live in and you realize how fortunate we are after you have visited others. We need CO-OPERATION, from all provinces, not ARGUMENTS to get us through these tough ECONOMIC TIMES that lie ahead. This is a situation that is WORLD WIDE. What we don't need is money wasted to call another election to replace our PRIME MINISTER at this time. Obviously enough Canadians voted back in the fall for Mr. Harper to be Prime Minister. How many CANADIANS remember that Finance Minister Jim Flaherty opened comments and input for the FIRST TIME ever regarding a budget back in 2006, I believe? How soon we forget! Adults should act responsibly as what our children hear and see, they REMEMBER...they are the FUTURE of our country!!!


Ian the Middle Class Citizen in Ottawa
said

The Liberals: no friends of the middle class. Thanks John McCallum for clearly telling us what I've known all these years: the middle class supports the rest of Canada. Should you tax us less, the whole economy will crumble and future generations will inherit a huge debt and blah blah blah. Here, I'll mail Revenu Canada another $100 today just to make sure you're all good to go.


scott sw ontario
said

Maybe they should put someone in there that doesn't hand over our tax dollars to groups that don't work and don't deserve it ! Treat all working people equal and stop taxing the heck out of people that try to make a little more than the average Joe !


Dan
said

I hope that the Liberals do bring this budget down. Middle class tax cuts is not the way to go about this. Everybody receives a little with the tax cut but people tend to save that money during tough time. I still can't understand why we and the Americans seem to be able to justify humungous deficits while telling consumers they should be more responsible and keep their debt to a minimum.


Duceppeissmart
said

I live in Western Canada and would vote for Duceppe and his party if they ran a candidate here. I don't view the bloc as a threat I view them as a regional party like the Reform/Alliance/Conservative party is.

The Conservatives are running scared and have brought out the fear mongering to stay in power.... not suprised


Evan
said

So, no tax cuts cause that creates a deficit. So according to the Liberals the Gov't should spend. That will also cause a deficit? This parliament is a joke. The Liberals will support the budget. They are just baiting Harper with a deficit for political means later in the future.


Victor
said

I have seen some hate by the political parties in past history, but never like this.

The hate continues to drive this circus on display on television and in the media. It looks like the ruling government and the opposition parties are continuing to put their own interests ahead of those of Canadians.

The Rhino Party needs to make a comeback.


Al
said

I don't think these opposition parties had any intention of supporting a Conservative budget. Harper has no one to blame but himself, but at a time when we need cooperation these politicians are playing Russian roulette with the Canadian people. Its all about leadership and we have none amongst these parties.


Frunk
said

Duceppe has only one item on his agenda and that is to destroy Canada and feed Quebec coffers. The Liberals will pay dearly if they defeat the government and throw the country in turmoil at a critical point in history. The NDP and Jack Layton? Well, who listens to their socialist ideas of "no direction". I'm sure that the Liberals have made their point and will support the government in a solid attempt to save our economy.


Dan from Northern Ont
said

Are you kidding me!? Duceppe would put Quebec ahead of Canada. Furthermore he has no interest in being PM of Canada, BUT that doesn't mean he doesn't have interest in ruling Quebec :P


Matt
said

Oh good they are going back to Parliment... let the yelling and shouting commence, with no real work getting done till after the sessions are over


The Other Lowell in BC
said

Well if the liberals are not happy with the budget, they should propose amendments. The conservatives are claiming that they never received input to the budget from the liberals but I don't buy that. Again it is just this game playing that Harper is so happy to indulge in.


Roland Godin
said

Ask Duceppe to lead us out of this one. He has the statesmanship and no self interest to become prime minister. It will be a lesson of humility and that's what we need, not pride to get us out of this one.


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