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Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada Rob Nicholson responds to a question during Question Period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Thursday, June 17, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Ron Marzel, a criminal lawyer, and Natasha Falle, a former sex trade worker, in Canada AM studios, Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2010. Terri-Jean Bedford, middle, and law professor Alan Young, third from left, react to a decision by an Ontario court that has struck down key provisions of Canada's anti-prostitution laws, in Toronto Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2010.

Federal government to appeal prostitution ruling

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The federal government is vowing to fight a controversial Ontario court ruling that strikes down prostitution laws. Just a day ago, some in Ontario applauded the ruling that would make running a brothel legal among other things.
CTV Ottawa: Natalie Pierosara on changes
Ottawa Police Chief Vern White says the ruling to strike down Canada's anti-prostitution laws will make policing prostitution more difficult.
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Ron Marzel, a criminal lawyer, and Natasha Falle, a former sex trade worker, discuss the struck down anti-prostitution laws. Falle says she is disappointed the judge is not considering the men who demand the service accountable.
CTV Ottawa: Jonathan Rotondo with reaction to the anti-prostitution laws
Local reaction to an Ontario court striking down several key provisions in Canada's anti-prostitution laws, saying they are dangerous to sex-trade workers.
CTV National News: Robert Fife on the law
The Ontario Superior Court ruled some sections of the criminal code are unconstitutional as they put sex trade workers in danger, and struck down those sections that make it a criminal offence for a person to operate a common bawdy house.
CTV National News: Jill Macyshon on the reaction
Many of the most vulnerable sex workers, especially those who work the streets, will remain at high risk, but not everyone agrees with the ruling on prostitution law.
CTV News: Austin Delaney on the ruling
An Ontario Superior Court of Justice judge has struck down several portions of Canada's anti-prostitution laws, saying they increase the danger to sex-trade workers.
CTV News Channel: Ron Marzel, lawyer
A lawyer says the ruling over the key provisions of the prostitution law is all about sex workers' safety. He suggests sex workers should also take precautions to protect their own safety. The decision is expected to be appealed.
CTV Calgary: Kari Eyles on the court ruling
It will be legal for bawdy houses to exist unless the federal government steps in. What the new prostition ruling means for Calgarians.
CTV Winnipeg: Caroline Barghout on the law
An Ontario provincial court made the ruling on Tuesday striking down provisions of anti-prostitution laws. Women in the sex workers are concerned for their health and safety.
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A law professor says changes are essential to rationalize a law which has been contradictory for 30 years. He says it is not about whether prostitution is morally correct, this is about the safety for those who can legally sell sex.
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A dominatrix says it is important that women in the sex trade are safe. She hopes these women will be treated with decency and respect and that they will be given the same rights as other citizens in Canada.
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Liberal MP Marlene Jennings says she believes the Tories will appeal the decision relating to the prostitution law. NDP MP Libby Davies says this decision will break down the myths that this law actually protects sex workers.
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Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada Rob Nicholson responds to a question during Question Period in the House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Thursday, June 17, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Ron Marzel, a criminal lawyer, and Natasha Falle, a former sex trade worker, in Canada AM studios, Wednesday, Sept. 29, 2010. Terri-Jean Bedford, middle, and law professor Alan Young, third from left, react to a decision by an Ontario court that has struck down key provisions of Canada's anti-prostitution laws, in Toronto Tuesday, Sept. 28, 2010.

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Date: Wed. Sep. 29 2010 7:59 PM ET

The federal government will appeal an Ontario court ruling that struck down Canada's anti-prostitution laws.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson made the announcement today in the House of Commons.

Tuesday's decision struck down three provisions of the Criminal Code surrounding prostitution -- communicating for the purposes of prostitution, keeping a common bawdy house, and living on the avails of the trade – saying they are a danger to sex workers.

The act of prostitution is not illegal in Canada, but virtually everything surrounding it is.

Justice Susan Himel of the Ontario Superior Court wrote in her 131-page decision that the laws, "individually and together, force prostitutes to choose between their liberty interest and their right to security of the person as protected under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms."

Tuesday's decision is subject to a 30-day stay during which the laws remain in place; the federal government can seek an extension of that period.

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty said Wednesday he expected the federal government to appeal.

McGuinty says the ruling proposes some profound changes to laws that have been on the books for decades, and Ontario "looks forward" to supporting the federal Conservatives in the expected appeal.

Former prostitute against ruling

A former sex-trade worker who now helps prostitutes trying to leave the trade, says the court's decision to strike down Canada's laws surrounding prostitution was a terrible move.

Natasha Falle, who runs StreetLight, a non-profit organization that provides support services for sex workers, and works with the Toronto Police's Sex Crimes Unit, says she was "shocked" by Tuesday's court decision.

"It was very disappointing for me that a judge would determine that this is the best solution for protecting people in the sex trade industry," Falle told CTV's Canada AM Wednesday morning.

Those who wanted the laws to be quashed say they forced hookers to work the streets, instead of in the safety of their homes. But Falle says decriminalizing all aspects of prostitution is not the solution.

"I don't think Canadians understand what this means. This means, if this decision is to carry through… your next door neighbours can run a brothel right beside you. Your children could be exposed to condoms left on their driveway, johns propositioning them," she said.

Falle also worries that by normalizing prostitution, it gives children the idea that prostitution is a good and acceptable way to make a living.

"Thirteen to 16 years old is the average age that someone enters prostitution. So when do we start referring to them as sex workers?" she said.

The laws that were struck down Tuesday do not apply to child sex workers, only to those over 18.

Ron Marzel, one of the lawyers for the women who challenged the laws, says he was "thrilled" with Tuesday's decision which he says will protect sex workers, who should have the right to practise their profession safely.

"Certainly, we need social programs to make sure that children in the profession; however, the reality is there are consenting adults who want to go into this profession," he said on Canada AM.

Falle grew incensed at this, insisting that 97 per cent of prostitutes aren't in the sex trade by choice. She says the voices of the overwhelming majority of women who want to get out of prostitution are being drowned out by a vocal few.

"The voices we are hearing right now are the minority voices and they are only strong because of circumstances in Ontario. All the other provinces are not on board with this."

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You Don't Say!
said

I can't believe it. The Religious Right Party of Canada is not going to tolerate this decision! My, my, how unexpected!!!


Tim
said

WOW...can someone tell me where MORALS went ? Have we all lost RESPECT for ourselves ?Is this what the Judges and Lawyers want for their kids and grand kids ????


CK Van
said

A lot of comments against prostitution have yet to provide any concrete stats (no citation) and make logical fallacies stating that one thing leads to another. eg. 90%? 97%Hell I might as well state that it is 99%. I live in Van, and if you dont think prostitution exists and is run like a regular business here, then you dont live here.The judge did the logical thing. If selling sex is already illegal, then might as well strike those laws.


Robin Faye
said

One solid way to end this whole mess is for Parliament to declear prostitution to be ILLEGAL.Anyone found practising it should be first provided help as a warning and then sentenced to jail. No one is going to comeout fighting!


what the
said

you have got to be kidding, they say it ruins communities, then why let indiviuals have casinos, why have liquor stores, why sell cigarettes, if you look at the statistics on just three of those examples, i'm sure you could find reasons how it ruins people, and people have died, it is about money, if they can make this a profitable industry it will be done, gimme a break, it's about the well being of the human race, gotta love politicians, later


Scott ON
said

After reading most of these comments I'm almost ashamed to be Canadian. You do realize prostitution is already LEGAL right? Makes it a whole lot different than the drug dealer in the playground. As for the violent johns not being arrested. Are you stupid? Regulating the industry would give them the recourse to call the cops and have the scum arrested. Now, they have nowhere to turn. Locations? C'mon people, they'd be regulated, just like strip joints. People get their nose so out of joint nowadays on things they think they know. Talk to a few of the girls that do this shit, most of them enjoy it. They enjoy sex, why not get paid for it. Grow up people


Gerry
said

It's about finding common ground...prostitutes need to be kept safe...they need to be able to call the police when they are endangered. Are we going to start understanding and caring about people, or we going to judge and isolate people who don't seem to fit? Prostitutes get hurt a lot and they need to be protected from violent predators and from people who want to wish them away or cause them harm.


Sad PC member
said

Protect prostitutes? The courts might as well protect drug dealers too! The government should have tougher laws and longer jail time as a alternate. What is this country going too?


Marie
said

Call me old fashioned, but why in this day and age do we need this so called profession. This to me degrading and there is no other word for it. Cant these people get real jobs. This is exploitation all the way. Too bad its come to this. If they want to be sex trade workers then got to Europe where its a common thing in Amsterdam.


Bee
said

I don't know what right the gov thinks it should have in a "free" country (obviously were aren't, but let's pretend for a moment) to control what a woman (or man) does with their own body. The gov's job isn't to protect people from themselves, but from others (including the gov).


Roy
said

To Rev. Wayne Johnson,the sex trade is the oldest proffesion going and it is used by Politicians,law inforcement,Religion workers,judges etc. get a life and move forward.
As for your profession I think it probably does more harm than the sex trade.Grow up.


Roy
said

Things like this is the reason I have decided not to vote in the next federal election because we have a bunch of hypocryts in Ottawa who cannot see beyond their bloody noses.They are always telling us we have to move on we are in the twenty first century and yet they make these women/men work in and place themselves in danger everytime they do what they do.
Just why can't they legalize the sex trade and collect the taxes for it.


Old Ted
said

Here again, we have the judges making the laws and/or interpreting them for themselves. It is time for we the people to take back our legal system. If there is a case where a judgment can not be readily be brought down by a judte, then it should be referred back to the federal government to clarify and/or amend the law so that the judge can make a proper decision. Judges should not be allowed to strike down existing laws or interpret them for their own liking. The job of a judge is to carry out laws not make them. Time to get this messed up legal system sorted out. The wheels seem to have all fallen off the cart and common sense has flown right out through the window.


Damon
said

RJ - you are completely wrong about prohibition in all capacities. Don't confuse RESPONSIBLE drug / herb users with someone addicted to crack living on the street stealing for a fix. Not every person who drinks is a homeless person begging for change, most are responsible users that have real jobs and families. Give me a break, the vast majority of drug war arrests are not the hard luck cases and beyond that failed argument, there is no question some junkie committing minor thefts and getting arrested is better than dealing with cartels or gangs like the Hell's Angels. Last year, over 800,000 people in the USA were arrested for Cannabis, 90% of those for PERSONAL USE. How you can justify that disgrace to stop some hard drug users from stealing is beyond comprehension. Prohibition always fails harder than regulation, always has always will.


Damon
said

Children, forced, human trafficking, let's milk the victim words a bit more seriously.We are talking about consenting adult parties only, LEGAL prostitution. There is no question under age prostitution would go down significantly if prostitution was legalized and regulated. The legit prostitutes and organizations would have nothing to do with under age and all the money used to prosecute the legit prostitution would be used to target the nasty side instead.


MiggsVer2.0
said

Prostitutes aren't victims unless they have to report in to a pimp who beats the hell out of them or their customers refuse to pay. They're just people earning money however they can to pay the bills and feed themselves. Get over it biblehuggers.


Island Man
said

Is this Harper's tough on crime action. It would be better to legalize prostitution an collect taxes from the workers.


Rob
said

Canada, still back in the dark ages. Legalize it , this will clean up the streets. Other countries have done it. Its pretty sad when North Americans can put up with violence on every program on television and corrupt our kids but show a girl thats topless and its a mojor crime against humanity. Something wrong with this picture. Get your heads out of the sand! The people who are always complaining about this must be pretty insecure about themselves.


Stu from London
said

@Joshua Wasylciw...The difference is that prostitution is technically already legal in common law. Drug dealing isn't.


Dylan
said

With respects to the comments made by the former sex trade worker, I would expect that a "legal" sex trade worker would need a business license to conduct her/his business. That process (of obtaining a business license) would protect residential neighbourhoods from becoming exposed to the sex trade. However, I am still unsure whether this is a good move. Prohibition of prostitution does NOT work, but I don't like the idea of Johns being legally entitled to drive around offering women money for sex. There are no easy solutions here.


allan
said

I would be very careful about liberalizing prostitution laws. Many countries where it is legal are being faced with organized crime becoming heavily involved. I remember when the Liberal government in Canada gave working visas to strippers to enter Canada, thereby contributing to human trafficking.


viral venus
said

For some people everything is a morality question" and unfortunately those people will never be able to view anything except through that very narrow portal. The "morality" of the sex trade is not under discussion by the courts nor does it enter into their decision. The main reason that women in the sex trade experience violence and abuse is that they have no control over their "workplace" and are relegated to clandestine locations to conduct their transactions. If you remove these restrictions and allow brothels to conduct business as a real business then most if not all of these concerns are removed. Government can then regulate, tax, monitor, safety code and whatever else governments do to other businesses to make them safe for the workers they employ. It is ONLY the moral question marks that some of you insist on applying to others that make this business different from any other.


David
said

It is good the federal government is appealing. I found the Ontario court ruling to be reflective of our typical current day justice; destroying our Canadian values and way of life. Thank you once again to the federal government for preserving Canadian customs and values. If you want to goof around and spread diseases go to Europe and stay there if you wish.


CMQ
said

Contrary to what some people think and are saying on here, when you strike down existing laws and fail to establish new ones it does leave everything wide open. Just take a look at the child porn laws stuck down for example. Secondly, judges are to work within the current laws, laws established by the government representing people. I find it hard to comprehend when we allow judges to strike down what they are selected to uphold. This turns society around. If sex trade workers wanted change then they needed to go to their representative and seek change. Problem is, it is more likely to find a liberal judge than it is to find someone governing to change a law that can negatively affect society. As for those who say there will have to be regulations for health and safety for a brothal, those laws do not exist in relation to what I can or cannot do in my home sexually. Laws pertaining to what I can or cannot do sexually have just been struck down. And lastly, maybe listen to someone who has experience in the sex trade, on both sides there are legit concerns but opening the door wide open is not the way to solve the problem!!!!!


Mary
said

Above and beyond this important topic discussed with Lawyer Ron Marzell and Professor Natasha Falle, this morning on Canada AM, I noticed the intense determination of a woman discussing this topic and the demeanor of Mr. Marzell, especially at the conclusion of the interview. I also noticed that each person had a space / seat of her/his own. Marzell had his arm draped across the back of her seat as she discussed this question and stated her case. Equality, not really!


Ian
said

I was waiting for someone to take a shot at Harper and Darren didn't disappoint. These laws have been there for a very long time, but somehow it's Harper's fault that some Judge is striking them down.


Alicia
said

Another case of judicial activism. So exactly WHAT is the judges agenda?


ZacHfx
said

I think that this has been done the wrong way. If prostitution were to ever be legalized it should not be done by the courts but by the government to ensure that a proper system was in place to protect all involved such as the prostitutes, their customers and the general public before anything could go ahead. I doubt that the lawyers involved even believe in what they are doing, they are just trying to make a name for themselves. If this goes through then it could end up hurting more people, just because its legal and they can "do it in the safety of their own homes" doesn't mean that they will be any safer if there is no system put into place to protect their rights, to ensure that the spread of std s is kept in check and provide a safe environment, and keep children out of it.


Ian
said

It's the attitude of people like Jim in the West that I find so infuriating. Prostitution is not some harmless professions like he seems to think. According to the statistics over 90% of all prostitutes are doing it because they feel they have to and not because they want to. A large number of them have become enslaved by a pimp because they are either drug addicts or have some mental problems. Many prostitutes are the "property" of gangs such as the Hell's Angels and work for them as part of their organized crime empire or to pay off drug debts. It's not as glamorous as you like to think Jim. Even if protitution were legalized, it would not guarantee that there wouldn't be an underground economy.


newsreader
said

I have not met a single teenager yet who, on a nice Sunday afternoon, in his/her room, used to daydream about becoming a prostitute. I bet anything, if you discovered your child doing that, you would be very-very concerned!

I Hope, that Justice Himmel, MPs like Libby Davies and people here so much in support of legalizing prostitution as just another profession, will be consistent with their political agendas also in their private lives, and sit down with their teenage children contemplating their future, and discuss with them the wonderful opportunities of this new profession, called prostitution. If they are not willing to do this, why on earth wish it for someone else’s child?

Prostitution cannot be just another job! Prostitution is an exercise in mutual exploitation of individuals who are financially and/or emotionally vulnerable. As such, it constitutes an abuse and has no redeeming value, whatsoever. Just because something has been practiced for a very long time (hence dubbed the “oldest profession”), it doesn’t mean that it is good and society should become a supporter and facilitator of its practice. Murder, for example, has been practiced for a very long time, at least as long as prostitution, and we are not contemplating (I hope) its legalization.

Remember, if prostitution is just another legitimate profession, society MUST provide (it is legally obliged) adequate training for its practice, from taxpayers money.



Ian
said

The left is at it again trying to change society to fit their agenda. Do you actually think that people will open a legal brothel whereby they have to ensure that their "employees" are healthy and clean, if they can do the same thing on the black market without going through all the red tape, and pay fees for licencing? There will definitely be a black market and we won't have solved anything. According to stats, 97% of sex trade workers are not there by choice. So by striking this law down, how are we going to ensure women who go into prostitution will all go work at a brothel. How is this going to stop the pimps from exploiting women and girls who have drug habits, or who are mentally ill. Again a judge who lives in a fantasy world who believes, like one poster wrote, that prostitution is the world's oldest "profession".


Take a look at Holland people before rushing to ju
said

Good afternoon;Although this may not be what many of you consider the "Canadian way", legalizing prostitution or the sex trade is not necessarily bad for society. Look at what Holland has done. That country is not filth, you don't see sex trade workers on every street corner, you don't have thousands of teenage girls dreaming about being in the sex trade like they now dream about being princesses here in Canada. The reason we are so against this is because we are not used to it. Take being topless on beaches for example...in Europe it is quite common place to see women topless and are their more crimes against women there than here? No (not to my knowledge) and definitely not because women are on the beach topless. Restaurants were so conerned they would go out of business in Ontario when they banned indoor smoking, has that happened? NO. Relax people, it is just sex. Now that it is taboo and forbidden it is a big deal, once it becomes common place there will be fewer issues than we have now. RELAX. BREATH.


Working Over Here
said

Sex Trade Worker. The unions will jump on this! They're workers, let's unionize them as well. Because, well, after all, union workers do it better, right? Schools will teach classes. You can get a degree. Next the government will decree you have to do it according to guidelines. Thus the educational degree. As taxpayers we will fund this new "education". But, it is work. so the government will impose income tax on it. Ah, there had to be a hidden agenda.


Scott (in Wild Rose Alliance Country)
said

Sex trade worker? Let's call it what it is, a prostitute. Enough with political correctness.


Sodom and Gomorrah
said

Move the problem inside? Ok, we're all good now! I think in order for the judge(s) to have a real qualified understanding, they should spend a few nights working the trade. I agree with the comment posted regarding the age of consent. Remember it was the Federal Liberal govenment under Pierre Trudeau who lowered the age of consent, telling us the government had no business in the bedrooms of a nation. Brilliant Pierre, simply brilliant. How many daughters did you have?


Wayne
said

I am so freakin happy that I am happily married for over 15 years. Never needed a sex trade worker, never will need a sex trade worker, NEVER WANT a sex trade worker. What is the real value of a sex worker anyways. How do they benefit society. All they care about is themselves. Hey, when I hear about a prostitute that gave part of her earning to help a food bank or a youth care center, then I will shed some respect. I care for those who are victimized by abusive women in the sex industry. Most of the men are just pawns in this game. Just the muscle thats it. There is a final judge who will make ammends for our stupidity. And He needs no jury to assist and He will not make a mistake either.


Goldens
said

What a country eh! The liberals have been giving the country and law abiding gun ownes a screwing for years and now they are going to allow prostitutes to charge and do the same thing.John Wilson Bridgetown NS


W in the GTA
said

To everyone who thinks that hooking should be regulated, licensed and inspected what do you think the cost will be? Also in which neighborhood should the red light district go? Will it be a minimum of 500m from schools? Will the government be liable if a person catches an STD/STI from a prostitute or establishment previously certified as clean?Will "business" owners now be able to sponsor people to come to Canada on work visa's as sex trade workers?The judge erred in her interpretation of the application of the charter. The charter itself states that Canada is governed on the premise of Peace, Order and good government. This in no way implies that the government should facilitate or condone the potential and real victimization of women and children because a few adults want to pay for sex.


RJ in Halifax
said

Reece, I'm stunned by your comments. Do you honestly believe that if all drugs were legalized, that all addicts would suddenly find legal sources of money to pay for them? You state that the prohibition laws cause the robberies and other crimes such as assaults and murders and, if rescinded, would all stop. The exact opposite would happen. People who are now afraid of being arrested for drug transactions would no longer feel inhibited. Thus, more people would be involved in drugs and the need to pay for them would greatly increase. Most of the crime associated with drugs has to do with addicts who DON'T HAVE THE CASH TO PAY FOR THEM. This would not only go away, it would actually go up. A similar argument can be made for prostitution, as many "johns" would not fear arrest or exposure to family members. More people would spend family money and greater hardships would be incurred without laws.


Steve
said

I can't wait to hear Harper's take on the subject, he'll probably say that a condom will provide all the protection they need.


Carl
said

This ruling was won by women who already operate brothels and simply want their so-called businesses to become legal, and therefore more profitable. In obliging these self-interested individuals, the court has abandoned the vast majority of prostitutes, who are forced into the sex trade against their wills by predatory pimps and brothel owners. If the ruling stands, these victims of sex slavery will have far less recourse against, and protection from, their captors. The ruling also neglects those women who engage in street prostitution because they do not have the option of a safe location to ply their trade, due to poverty, drug addiction, etc.


Joshua Wasylciw
said

Someone should ask this judge if the reason she struck down Canada's prostitution laws was that prostitutes have the right to engage in their work "safely," that means that drug kingpins should now be allowed to sell crack to 4 year olds on play grounds - afterall, don't they have an equal right to engage in their trade "safely" too?


Mike
said

Natasha Falle is right. Unless the PC's or Lib's plan on changing the law so that Canada sets up a system as in Holland or Germany where prostitution is legal and controlled. Right now our courts have now opened a can or wormsand God only knows what will happen in 30 days.


Tony
said

This means, if this decision is to carry through… your next door neighbours can run a brothel right beside you. Your children could be exposed to condoms left on their driveway, johns propositioning them," she said.

Doesn't the word "brothel" suggest "inside a building," which would also suggest that the condoms would be removed inside said building? And that the prostitutes involved would be found inside that building? And of legal age, if the government made sense and legalized?
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"Thirteen to 16 years old is the average age that someone enters prostitution."

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Falle grew incensed at this, insisting that 97 per cent of prostitutes aren't in the sex trade by choice.

[[citation needed]]

Oh, hell. Entire article: [[citation needed]]


reece
said

@Marcel...you said "Judges are not social workers and are not generally exposed to the struggles associated with this social activity. When will we stop judges from striking down legislation and then present their own view of the law". - - their view of the law is based on the constitutionality of law. Notice how Justiceīs eyeīs are covered? She is not permitted to see the tears nor even crocodile tears in her court room. Her job is simple. Uphold the constitution. You may have believed that your views are lawful but they apparently arent and from the perspective of most people they never were. Laws are often created by politicians. Its often a bone they toss your way before an election knowing full well that it could never survive a constitutional challenge. If you donīt believe in the constitution then delete the sections you dont agree with and we are done pass it over to your friend so he can delete sections he doesnt agree with. Hell, just burn the thing!


Zane
said

Prostitution has been around since time immemorial and is not going to be legislated into oblivion. Case in point, liquor prohibition. It is time to accept that human beings are sexual and quit trying to impose the the views and antiquated beliefs of a puritanical system that do not work. It is easier to guide a dog on a leash that to try and drag it to where it doesn't want to go. The attitude of society is changing and the laws must reflect that.


Tricia
said

A major complaint of sex trade workers seems to be safety. Obviously there is always a chance of violence when you put yourself out there and you take that risk the moment you take your first customer. Having legal brothels would at least allow them to band together in a safe place. They could then have a bouncer that can help out if someone is acting up. Safety in numbers can't happen if they are scattered and in hiding. Also, I'm sick of people saying they are forced to stay in the trade. There are shelters for a reason. I think if some TRULY wants out, they should pick up the phone and ask for help or get their butt on a bus and leave town. Obviously it would not be easy but you can't just sit back and expect someone else to do it for you.


Bradley
said

Some people's ignorance astounds me. With 97% of women in the sex trade wanting out, why would we want to legitimize this occupation? We should be asking what is keeping them in? We should be offering support services for women who are being beaten, raped, abused, and brainwashed into believing that they are worthless and have no where else to go. What about the ones who are brought in from other countries/provinces/territories, and told that they have to work off the debt of their flight, living expenses, etc. by prostituting themselves... which is a never ending cycle of increasing "debt" and therfore slavery? To Dave: I could be very wrong, but I'm fairly certain that your friends who smoke pot aren't being threatened with their lives or brainwashed to believe that if they don't smoke the pot, their daughters and sisters will be kidnapped, raped or worse. Just a thought.Also, if a sex trade worker who is being held in bondage comes forward with a complaint about a John assaulting her, what do you think will happen? I bet she would be beaten by her pimp then told to shut up and get back to work. These women are often told that if they go to the police, that the pimps will go after their loved ones. What would you do?I agree with Ms. Falle and fully support her work to help women out of the trade. Freedom is all too precious and we take such advantage of it that we don't see the bondage around us.


Chat
said

People seem to be combining the issue of prostitution with other problems - abuse, traficking, etc. These other problems certainly need to be addressed. But they are not the same as prostitution. Prostituion, if properly regulated, can be just another form of entertainment. We constantly get entertained by others, in all kinds of performances. Our eyes, our ears, noses, brains, all get stimulated and entertained. What is the big deal about 'this particular' body part being entertained, as long as it is safe and healthy? As somebody here said, it is a clear win-win situation. If implemented wisely, ON might even be able to balance the budget!


Adam
said

Natasha, it is people like you who need to stand up and fight against this bid to normalize prostitution that perpetuates the victimization of women. Thank you for standing up and please encourage others to do the same.The excuse for striking down the provisions of the Criminal Code ...that it will protect sex workers is ridiculous and lacks any common sense. Anyone who would make use of such a lame excuse may be more in favor of the prostitution service than the real concern for the protection of women offering the service,


The Other Lowell in BC
said

Isn't this an age old question. How to deal with prostitution. Despite what laws are are brought in or not brought in, it will continue to flourish. More laws will just drive it underground and more control will be taken up by organized crime etc. Its not going to go away, sad as that may seem. Even for right wing governments like the conservatives, keeping an eye on it and ensuring that people are safe, there is no exploitation etc. is advantageous.


MT
said

RSSA - you say there would be limits/guidelines for operating brothels? The decision included a comment to the contrary - that by striking down the existing laws, but with no new laws in place, a brothel could literally open without regulation or requirement...


JJ
said

wow. so if a prostitute gets sick and cant work does he/she collect disability. If a pimp fires her does she get to collect EI?


VRJ in Edmonton
said

The current laws do not work. They do not protect the sex trade workers. They only penalize them. Someone needs to come up with better ideas that provide better supports and protection for these people. If setting up houses where the workers can be protected by security, provided health care, and benefits, and licensing, and inspection will provide a better environment, then do it. But currently they are victims of the pimps, victims of the johns, and victims of the law.


Jay Nat
said

I'm pro-safe-prostitution laws, in some form, and especially where youth have services to help them have options, legal recourse, and autonomy.

Elizabeth, Ontario
said

I totally disagree with this Judge's decision. Most of these women, and men, are not in this profession by choice. Many are drug-addicted or being forced, by their pimp, to sell sex. One might wonder if making the profession legal, taxable for income tax might not be a better way to go. I don't see how this decision will make sex trade workers any safer. Maybe the high priced hookers but the young children/women who enter this trade, and work the streets, will be no safer from the perverts in our society.


Marcel NWO
said

Judges are not social workers and are not generally exposed to the struggles associated with this social activity. When will we stop judges from striking down legislation and tehn present their own view of the law. This is too much power for a bureaucrat and un-elected official. They are overstepping their boundaries. If we follow the lead of this judge we can save a lot of money by shutting down police departments that work in this area of crime. We can close down all the social agencies that deal with the affects of prostitution - save more money. I don't want Canada to be like the countries who embrace this type of behaviour. Ok Layton and Iggy what side of the fence are you on now? In my opinion this is not good for the majority of Canadians.


M. Chase
said

I think that this a step in the right direction. I agree with those who are saying this does not change the age of consent, therefore it does not make it legal for teens to be selling sex. I believe that there does need to be some new laws established as to where the bawdy houses are located, I do agree that this opens the door to having it happen next door and exposing children to things they need not be exposed to. I dont think that selling sex is wrong and I believe that properly run brothels, ones where the workers practice safe sex and are tested regularly and are provided with security, much like a bouncer in a strip club, isa better solution to prostitution. I dont think that this line of work should be illegal. It should be ones choice if they choose to engage in this line of work, just like pornography. Have laws that require the workers to be 18 and provide them with a safe place to work. just like in the pornography industry.


Pip
said

This problem could easily be solved with licensed courtesans (a better term than prostitute) operating out of licensed, government-inspected premises. That way everything is above board, and governments would get what they don't currently get: income tax from the women concerned, not to mention PST and GST (or HST if you are unfortunate enough to live in provinces that have it) paid by their customers. This may appear cynical to some and may outrage others, but it IS a logical solution that no-one in authority seems to be willing to consider. Ask the women concerned if they would go for such a plan.


GRIM - Lethbridge
said

I may not agree with prostitution or drugs or other vices but outlawing them has only made these things lucrative to violent gangs.The government should license and regulate these as industries. Do not criminalize the victims.The government should provide an education campaign discoraging prostitution etc like they did with tobacco (smoking rates have declined).


Very sad day for Canada - we all lose
said

Suddenly pimping and prostitution is going to be a real career option?? This makes me sick. How is a parent supposed to raise a child to work hard, persevere through post-secondary education, and be all that they can be when they are constantly deluged (from elementary school up) with messages to "be sexy" to prove their value; now our kids will see "successful entrepreneurs" making tons of money with no education, and it's legal! -- watch, as sexual exploitation becomes acceptable, girls will always only lose -- don't fool yourself - there are no true winners here.


Dave
said

Natasha Falle is no different than the reformed smoker or alcoholic, they hate what kept them a slave for many years. It makes no sense to have laws that no one respects. If people don't respect the laws then they don't respect law enforcement & is the number one reason people don't bother calling the police. Every pot smoker I know would never call the police because they enforce laws that cause crime, same as the sex trade. The majority of Canadians want prostitution & drugs made legal, so the majority don't support the police.


Albertaboy111
said

I think we need to look forward, and put in proper regulations so this does not become a problem. License them and dictate where they can and cannot operate and it's the best solution available.


WALLEYEDGOALIE
said

The rights of an individual appear to be more important than that of society in general. The charter of rights and freedom has made it impossible for society (government)to establish a common standard for all to live by...

"Charter of Individual Rights and Free for All" is more like it.


darren
said

Ok now the Feds have 30 days to modernize thier prostitution laws. Take the criminality out of the hands of the Sex trade workers and put the criminiality in the johns. If there are no Johns, then the workers have no reason to be out there.Use this oportunity to modernize the laws Mr. Harper, Act like the Prime Minister you want to be.


Richard in Ontario
said

I don't have an opinion on prostitution, since it's one thing in life that I don't have to worry about. My biggest concern on this issue is the fact that an unelected judge has invoked the Charter of Rightsand Freedoms, which is probably the worst thing ever foisted on the people of Canada, to usurp the laws that are on the books.


Stu from London
said

The blame for this lays squarely at the feet of the government. Why couldn't Crown counsel have come up with a better argument as to how statutes are to be interpreted under the Charter? Sounds to me like Marzel's argument made the most sense with respect to how these sections actually offend the Charter. Couldn't the Crown's office, with all of their money and resources, have better defended this action?


Canuckystan
said

How very sad that the court relies on middle class university professors who write about prostitution rather than folks from StreetLight who actually work there.

So now when cops get a tip about a violent john, they can't pick him up while he picks up the next victims.

Ever see a sting operation aimed at hookers? Of course not, the laws were used to get violent johns off the street and violent pimps off the street. Cops are pretty sympathetic to hookers, as they know it is not a career choice.


Frank Buchan
said

It was only a matter of time before the liberalism (not politically, but psychologically) that is extant in our society led us down this path. The problem we seem to face is that we can't pick and choose how to apply the Charter outside the scope of the Charter, which is all fine and well except when it collides with itself and leads us to these kinds of radical changes to law. I'm not even particularly sure I care what the law was/is, but I do find it disturbing that social justice is being given a backseat to legal justice.


Bradley
said

Way to go Natasha! A voice of reason amongst so much ignorance!!! If only people would educate themselves and find out the TRUTH about the major link between prostitution, human trafficking and child sexual exploitation! I want to protect our women and children, and I will not stand for this ruling. Before comments are made, do your research. The Swedish model is working. Stats prove it! Protection of the vulnerable is all of our business. Thank you Natasha, and thank you MP Joy Smith for standing up for what is right!!!


sandy
said

We will still see them on the streets, because they want drugs I feel sorry for those that are trying to get out of prostitution, and those that are helping themThis is a slippery slope, and I lived across from two prostitutes, we couldn't prove it until it was time to move But honestly we had cars down that road from 11-00 pm until 3.00am.It was non stop


John
said

Isn't it grand how we have created nice, feel-good phrases and terms for almost everything?Nobody "dies" anymore, we "pass away".Once we have "passed away", we're not "dead" - we are "resting".Women "of ill repute" were once said to be "a-whoring" - now they are "sex trade workers".Oh, the wonders of a politically correct, feel-good society . . . .Will legalizing theft be next?

conductor274
said

The governments of today already allow the sales of alcohol and tobacco and in fact they count on it for income which is used to run the country. They sit idle while pollution from industries destroys our environment while, again, they depend of those revenues to support the country. So the logical next step is to legalize prostitution and tax it so more money will flow into the government coffers. Next up for taxation should be religion. Now there's a source of pollution that needs to be regulated and taxed.


reece
said

She fails to understand that laws donīt neccessarily protect but often times create more damage than good. Take drugs for example. Without prohibition laws, there certainly would be alot less killings and robberies than there currently is. Its astounding how people believe that laws make this a happier and safer planet when often it causes it to be a more violent and dangerous place to live. From the street wars in Vancouver and Winnipeg, all the way to the Taliban in Afghanistan....the laws have created rivers of blood.


Rev. Wayne Johnson
said

I cannot believe that Canadians are not outraged over the decision made over sex-trade workers. The lady you had on Canada Am this morning was right on. What are we thinking? The abuse that women face and to think a judge (a woman Judge) would want to put them in more harms way. Prostiution is never right, proper and should never be santioned. The lawyer on the program needs to go back to school. Lets wake up Canada and stand for what is right.


Jim in the West
said

May I live long enough to see prostitution become one of the most serious problems faced by society. It will have meant that rough nations, climate change, economic and enviromental disasters, and government corruption will all have been eliminated. Until then, let's get a little perspective people. If we regulate prostitution, we eliminate most if not all of the unpleasent social considerations of the sex trade. We improve the health care system, divert funding in the legal system to fighting genuine cime, and we pick up a few billion in taxes - a win/win if ever there was one.


Anna
said

"Do what thou wilt. That is the whole of the law" (Aleister Crowley).I don't think religion should influence public policy, especially the Satanic belief that people should run around doing whatever they want without any regard for long-term public safety.Yesterday's comments were full of people who claimed Christianity should not influence public policy in outlawing acts surrounding prostitution. Well, this idea that "You should do whatever you want to do regardless of the impact of your choice on society" is also a religious view. It's the view of Satanism. I'm not saying that Satan spoke those words or that he is real. I'm just saying it's the central belief of Satanism - a religion.Let's stop uttering baseless religious views on either side, and weigh the pros and cons of prostitution on both INDIVIDUALS and SOCIETY to put up laws that protect both.


JOYCE
said

I think the judge made a terrible decision. I agree with Ms. Falle. There need to be laws to protect the victims, and there are many prostitutes who are victims. Also to protect the children and neighbours.


RSSA in EDM
said

The decision did not change other factors such as age of consent. In other words, it is still illegal to proposition and assault a minor. As for opening a brothel next door, there would be health and safety, licensing and other factors to actually limit when and where this could be done -- legally. This wasn't a no-holds barred decision, but was rather a glimmer of sanity regarding one of the worlds oldest 'professions'.


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