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Date: Sun. Jun. 14 2009 4:53 PM ET
The Liberal party insists it may still attempt to bring down the Conservative government in an upcoming confidence vote, despite the political risks of sending Canadians back to the polls for the second time in less than a year.
On Sunday, Liberal MP Ralph Goodale said his party has not ruled anything out for its caucus meeting on Monday, when Leader Michael Ignatieff will decide whether his party will vote against the government's recent economic update.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper delivered the economic progress report on Thursday, saying 80 per cent of stimulus spending was being implemented and 3,000 new infrastructure projects have begun.
Ignatieff said Friday the report was unrealistically positive, but pledged to take a close look at the document before making up his mind.
"The options are all open," Goodale said in an interview on CTV's Question Period. "This is a serious issue and nobody should rule out anything at this stage. This is an important week for Canada, we've got to get it right."
Goodale said Liberal MPs have been consulting their constituents to gauge their support on the issues.
"They'll be listening to their constituents very carefully over this weekend as they have been doing for the last many weeks," he said. "And they'll be bringing that advice back to Mr. Ignatieff tomorrow and next week. They'll be weighing all of this very carefully and very conscientiously."
Liberal strategist Steve MacKinnon told Question Period that the party is out of debt, election-ready and believes the sitting government's days "are numbered."
But he said the decision to go into an election will be made by Ignatieff alone.
"Clearly, the days of this government are numbered, whether it's this week or at some point in the future," MacKinnon said. "The fact of the matter is that Mr. Ignatieff has a big decision that must be taken in the interests of our economy and our health care system."
But it will take more than Liberal votes to topple the Conservatives. The NDP and the Bloc Quebecois would have to vote against the government, too, in order for it to fall.
Both the Bloc Quebecois and the NDP have already signalled that they will not support the government in the upcoming confidence vote, a position NDP National Director Brad Lavigne said is consistent with his party's prior objections with the budget.
"This is part of the budget that was tabled a few months ago and we said that the budget wasn't going to do the trick, and yet time and time again, we're proven right," Lavigne told Question Period.
While he conceded that many Canadians will not want to head back to the polls this summer, Lavigne said it was a matter of principle that the NDP would not be supporting the budget.
"I think that most Canadians would prefer there not to be an election...but political parties have to make their decisions based on what they believe in," he said. "We have a belief that this budget is bad. We voted against the budget after reading it back a few months ago and this is the same vote for the same budget. This is the end of the process."
Conservative strategist Tim Powers echoed Lavigne's belief that Canadians do not want to go to the polls again.
On Question Period, Powers questioned why an election would be justified when the government believes it is making progress on the recession that has plagued the worldwide economy since last fall.
"We're starting to see signs, albeit slow, that the economy is turning around. Why is there any need for an election now?" Powers asked.
Conservative MP Pierre Poilievre suggested the Liberals would need to "reconstruct" the short-lived NDP-Liberal coalition that Ignatieff divorced his party from after Dion stepped down as party leader last fall.
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btown
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For canadians it never a good time to go to the polls. We should be glad to live in a democracy and able to vote.
Gabe
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Let's go to the polls. The Conservative supporters forget that Harper signalled our last election when NOBODY wanted one. Why are they crying foul now?
Interesting....wouldn't ya say?
Chris S
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A Koster - BC
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Now this is exactly what it's all about. Won't ruin my summer to have a bad budget voted down and a decent government in place finally.
ChrisOttawa
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terri
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Brian in Calgaryl
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Jobs for students money for the media, hotels, airlines, bus drivers no hockey games to miss no snow storms no freeze your butt off weather but think barbque's free burgers and the like from the con's but vote lib sounds great to me
Paul - Vancouver
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Linda: Yes, the Liberals were in power for a long time. In that time they were cleaning up the mess of Brian Mulroney. Remember him. He's the one that mentored Harper. Now that the courts are exposing him as the crook he is, do you find it any wonder why Harper et al are distancing themselves from him?
Thank ______ (insert name of nondescript invisible friend in the clouds) Harper and his band of muzzled sycophants didn't get a majority the last time.
Have a nice summer everyone.
Jason in Kelowna
said
Ignatieff should go back to his adopted country and leave Canadian politics to the Canadians
Dave Knowler,Bayfield,Ont
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It has taken 20 years to destroy everything that was good about Canada Its time to tear up that piece of garbage and start all over again. If everything in this country that's made in the US or China was made by Canadians,there isn't a person in this country that couldnt find a decent job. As someone said to me years ago "theres only one difference between the Liberals and Consevatives, one's in power and one isn't."
roy
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Pissed Canuck
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Liberals and Bringing Down the Deficit as Usual!!
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You know how you can Always tell a Tory?
They first of all mudsling then use well-rehearsed words like "boondoggle,freeze the east(now THAT one goes back 30 yrs..musta learned it from Grampa Social credit boy ), only visiting, Refooooorm. seperate, everyone but us are boneheads, in it for himself, only care about power, tory times are tough times".
How about the IN-Out SCAM the Cons pulled in 2006 using $1.7 Million ILLEGAL Elections Funds? Oh we forgot that one did we??
Cons say Liberals aren't for Canadians..
You do NOT EVER hear ONtario say it will seperate from Canada.. and believe me if any Province could survive alone it is ONtario which has the Population, hard work and Resources to stand Alone.
Now there's an idea..
~
Jeff
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Phil F (Calgary)
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OldTeddyBear
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just another canadian
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Michael R. Dennis (Winnipeg)
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The bashing of the Harper government is frankly unwarranted.
The country was in an excellent economic situation before the meltdown, we've seen very light effects of this meltdown, especially in comparison to the US as our government took action beforehand. We were running modest surpluses before the recession and were investing the money wisely.
The comments on the unwillingness to cooperate from the conservatives is unrealistic, the Conservatives have gone ahead with the bailout requested by all 3 parties of the opposition, now they complain that we must go into deficit to do so.
Even more unreasonable is the fault applied to the conservative government for a WORLDWIDE economic recession.
The Harper governments have done a good job, a letter grade A-. It could be better but the misinformed comments of many people who speak against the government would give them an F.
For what?
Dean
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gerry
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just another canadian
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-Are they going to raise the GST?
-Are they going to download on provinces like before?
-Are they going to find the 50 or so million still missing from sponsorship scandal?
-Are they going to bring in a carbon tax?
-Do they still want a national baby sitting service?
Election Please!
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kitt
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Marco
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DD from Ottawa
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Ex--Lib voter
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It is getting to be a weekly posture by the least likely to succeed. It is old. They are trying to appear like they have power, Like they hold power, but what they lack in their little sharade is SPINE.....
Jaxon
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Michelle in Vancouver
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If Canadians are so weak that they can't take 15 minutes to go vote then they do not deserve a democracy...
Iggy, ignore the lame Cons on this comment section who are only spreading fear and lies, as it is all they have left...
Back to Intelligent Government
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Too many mistakes.. too many promises never met.. total brain-washing in ads and lies about "allocated" funds.
Just allocated..NOT sent or in use.
Cross the floor Harper and we get to see you continue your childish threats to expose others by tapes that never showed up.
Three years of turmoil and making enemies..in the Maritimes and now even in his own Justice system.
Go back to Alberta Harper and write another book about hockey but dont give the manuscript to your Min of Natural Resources.. she'll sell it to your US oil company lobbyists.
Adam in Ottawa
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If another election is called this summer, I'll bet Stevie will go running to hide behind the skirt of the GG again begging for yet another chance to hold onto his job for a little while longer. What a joke!
Charles BC
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If the Liberal Party does not bring this Harper Government down they will most certainly lose my vote in the future.
The Liberal Party needs to know that just as many Canadians want to see the Harper Government defeated as do those Conservatives who do not want an election.
Do it for those Canadians that the Harper Government sees as less Canadian because they were not born in Canada but are Canadian Citizens and those Canadians working abroad whom to the Harper Govt feels are less Canadian because of that. Do it for the many First Nations whom the Harper Govt did nothing for even after his inspirited apology for the residential schools. Do it for Quebec whom Harper feels is not apart of Canada. Do it for all Canadians who are unemployed due to the Harper Govt not doing anything to stimulate the economy in Canada due to the fact that it was forced to.
Bring them down for the fact that the Harper Cabinet is so incompetent.
Let's go to the Polls.
Dale - Edmonton
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Cambob
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Bill Mckinnon
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Steve
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And the NDP doing something "on principle" - there's a joke.
allan
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It doesnt work!!
JMT
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Herb
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Back to Competent Government
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Its just how much notice will Libs give the Cons to campaign-lie to Canadians. People who really care and watch the goings on of Parliament KNOW Harper is a gonner!
He and the CPC have been tossed out of NL and NS. Lib support is climbing steadily in ONtario and even Albertans have been asking why they have been ignored and Harper is from there!
It takes me 10 minutes to vote..and absentee votes for those out of town.
Either you want a GOOD government or if you refuse to vote.. you get what the voters decide! Ask the jobless and people waiting for these "stimulus funds" since 2007 how pi ssed off they are.
Down with Harper and his mob of incompetents who can't even keep Govt business in binders private!! No more sexy cancer!!
Brian
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Garry in NS
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Saskmike
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Chris S. in Kitchener
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Listen. Harper can't play nice with others. He can't compromise. A successful minority government must compromise in order to govern. Liberals know how to do this! Look at all the nice things we have today from minority governments working together: Health Care, Old Age Security, etc.
Parliament is dysfunctional (remember that word) and its dysfunction is Harper! Bring on the election.
CarolynD
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Gareth H ..you hit the nail bang on! I'd rather VOTE than go on with this Government that is making blunder after blunder! I think Goodale behind the scenes is good solid experience behind Ignatieff. In any case Harper has to be out of the PM chair!
DJR
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David
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Metro
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By all means, I'd happily let the Conservatives govern. But since the word "compromise" is unknown to them, and since they insist on acting like they were elected, rather than simply occupying the hot seat until we give someone (most likely someone ELSE) a majority, then we're stuck with the threat of revolving elections.
Myself, I'd as soon see an election. A Liberal majority would be good. A Liberal minority will highlight the hypocrisy of the Conservatives, as they abandon their "principles" and become the obstructionists they claim to detest.
A Conservative majority would at least show its true Reform Party colours, and the country would survive the disaster, probably.
But in any case, we'll be better off for all the additional cost.
Let's do this. And all you Conservative supporters can try and vote in a majority for Dear Leader Harper.
hatrock
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Lorne
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George in Calgary
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CWS Saskatoon
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bella-in-ottawa
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Wayne from Edmonton
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bruce from cowtown
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mianbe
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Alysha Ont
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If an election is called now, it clearly indicated that Iggy cannot wait to be crowned PMIggy becuase there is no valid reason for an election at this time. To all the Liberals that feel The Cons have not been honest or are not capable, just think back to a few years ago when the Liberals were in power. They were the biggest bunch of crooks and incompetent party ever to be elected. They stole from the EI, bought leaky useless subs (waste of money) Adscam, sonsorship scandal and the list goes on! Now they want to waste more of our tax dollars on another election and then of course blame Harper for another increase in the budget.
And Layton does not count if he cannot support what the gov't is doing for Canada. Let the Conservatives do what they were elected to do during their term and then rate them at the end of their term! Overhtrowing any gov't is a waste of taxpayers money and clearly serves only one person's interst.. Iggy's. He wants to bully his way to become PM, do the damage and then run to the USA laughing all the way there after our taxes will be raised so high, and only the few working will be expected to pay them.
Perry
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Furthermore I will be hoping for a majority government. It just feels like the minority governments are having a temper tantrum because they want to be in power. All these petty elections are doing nothing good for the nation.
warren
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John K - Ottawa
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Let the Conservaative party do their job as the people of Canada elected them twice!
geebee
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CYL
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I am not convinced that Iggy can make a difference. I have not heard him say anything that has given me any confidence in his leadership or that he can do a better job than Harper. The only thing that I constantly hear is 'bring down the government'.
jj
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MollyF
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Work 45 days and you get a year? who can afford that? It was the NDP's idea, and that is why they are never in power!
MARG MM
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Personally I would like to see this settled once and for all, as the Liberals will continue to threaten the Gov't.until such time that an election is called.
I find it so hard to believe that there are actually people that think the Liberals could do a better job. Do you not remember how they get their surpluses?Offloading to Provinces,cutting the military to the bone, raiding the EI fund, not to mention all the scandals that cost us, the taxpayer, millions.
I am quite pleased that we taxpayers now have 19 more tax free days under the Conservatives.
I guess there are those of you that were implanted with a "Liberal chip" in your brains when you were born, and even if you had to give every cent you made to the Gov't,plus your first born child, you would still vote Liberal.
gori
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Now with the liberals, i am hoping that they will not make the country spent billions for an unnecessary elections unless they can really justify having the process because if they do, they will surely lose the election and we will be back to square on.
Never mind the ndps and the blocs, it is common belief that they will never form a government but look at what happen to NOVE SCOTIA, we are all threading to unknown territory right now. hopefullly those politician can make their collective act together for the sake of this beautiful country. to MR IGNATIEFF , i hope you make the right decision and to MR. HARPER , forget your ego and start doing what is good for the country, drop that hunger for power and stop screwing up.
JR
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go to Hell Iggy
NO SUMMER ELECTION
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Canada has the strongest economy in the G20 right now (maybe the world). We have navigated through the turbulent waters under the Conservatives.
If you Liberal/NDP types want to destabilize the economy just for the simple fact that you are power hungry..go ahead. If by chance the Liberals/NDP get in, guess what, they will be doing the same thing.
To the poster that said "m sick of hearing about how Canadians don't want to be burdened with voting this summer. If democracy is such a pain perhaps a dictatorship would be more convenient? " Just remember what was said in Plato's Republic "Democracy is the worst form or tyranny" If Canada keeps going to the polls every 3 - 6 months it is going to hurt us economically, socially and morally. This is an example of where democracy becomes tyrannical. We must continue the path that we are on or else we are doomed as a nation. We don't need another election when we just had one.
DCR-Toronto
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Then the NDP and the Bloc will crucify him, by saying he supports Harper. I love it. Have a great summer folks. Iggy won't be. Just another academic trying to be somebody. Again...Iggy..please go home.
Diane M.
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Cathie north of the Big Smoke
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jason wood
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Kevin in Alberta
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Ryan
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i'm sorry but an election is just not justified at this time and especially not during the summer and during a recession and anyone stuiped enough to force one when canadians do not want one is going to be punished. canadians want to see the minority parliament work together and sick of political nonesense like this. give the economic action plan more time to work before we have to judge if its sucessful or not.
and why is ignatieff making this decision himself, when did us avergae canadians get to decide if we wanted an election or ever been consulted?
Ben, Edmonton
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Metro
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You're clearly not up on your economics: Conservatives are supposed to love a low dollar, as it enables us to dig up, cut down, and otherwise sell out our country abroad. This, theoretically, creates the jobs and economic growth that you seem to believe are so threatened by a low dollar.
Metro
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Rick (Ontario)
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A summer election isn't the best idea because who will cut their vacation short to vote? How many people here already have their holidays booked at work? If you pinheads were to think before you open your yap you might sound a bit more intelligent.
Iggy-A Canadian by convenience.
Wendy, Vancouver
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We would clearly give out the message that we are a country in crisis, and the direction that Canada takes to aid in the global recession could change on a dime. The Liberals/Conservatives would do better to look like they are working within the confines of the elected government of the day (which we would expect of foreign governments).
We need the ideas of all elected officials to get us out of this recession; we don't need costly election after election that keeps producing the same results.
Question period should be used to put opposing ideas on the table instead of being a time to belittle individual members of parliament. Then a seed may be planted for change, and Canadians can see for themselves the level of intelligence of who represents their interests. Right now it just seems like alot of kindergarten bullying, with too much effort coming up with ideas to attack and too much effort coming up with ideas to defend. We need elected officials that work to represent the people who elected them, under the umbrella of the government that Canadians have chosen.
My vote is not cast in stone, but has historically been Liberal. If they call an election now, I would not vote for them based solely on that imprudent decision.
Woodstacker
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Iggy's Libs cannot win a majority alone.
Beware the coalition doesn't coalese in secret.
That's would be the only way an election would be called.
Dave in Cobourg
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Having said that, it might be prudent for Mr. Ignatieff to hold off on this non-confidsnce motion until Harper has a little more time to prove his ability or incompetance, and perhaps by then the rest of the country will realize how lame this present government are.
None of the $ promised have started flowing yet. Just a lot of promises.
By the way Alan in Vancouver. Google him and then tell us he has no experience, and since when is an education a liability in politics.
So Mr. Ignatieff. if you're listening... from one Liberal to another..... why not let Harper and his party really hang themselves....Then we might get a mojority and be able to really clean up this country.
Stu from London
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Patriot
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Len Curle
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Martin
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From Income Trusts, through fixed election dates and 'buying opportunities', through to the great lost 'modest surplus', they haven't taken responsibility for their actions, and blame others continuously. Deliberately mistranslating 'soverignist' as 'separatist' in ads the rest of Canada, this pitting region against region, was an insult to the intelligence of Quebecers of all stripes, and won't be forgiven there.
By the way, was it the 'Fiberals' who misplaced NATO documents? Cynical photo-ops, attack ads, and opportunistic and counter-productive GST cuts won't cut it anymore. And, I won't even elaborate on recent statements from Conservative ministers. Clearly, the 80% 'committed' funds are not close to being out there. It's a good time to go to the polls.
BC Voice of Reason
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Deborah
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John C
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Just some thoughts to ponder
Bob,Calgary,Alberta
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They care about taking the levers of power for their friends and associates. We would have another intellectual dilitente running the country. Another Trudeau to dig us further into a hole,another Chretien to govern and do absolutely nothing for years upon years, another Martin to dither and yak but never make a decision. When I read other bloggers praising the Liberals I wonder what planet they live on. We are a country of limitless opportunity, massive resources and close proximity to the world's largest market but we have always fallen short. Other countries with no resources outshine us every time. This is because Canadians have always bought into the Liberal mantra that they know best and they will take care of us. What a load of self-serving baloney from a bunch of Eastern based liars, cheats and political oppotunists.
DC in AB
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Stumpy
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The Other Lowell in BC
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Why would you run attack ads against the opposition leader to make him look smaller outside of an election window. Frankly Iggy offers education, experience, international connections, and less ideology and more pragmatism
Greg from BC
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If parliament is not working, there should be an election. That's how our system works. The reason the government is not working is not because the opposition parties "aren't letting Mr. Harper govern," it's that he isn't making compromises to create legislation that represents the voices of the majority of Canadians. The time of year should not make any difference.
Wayne in HRM
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bella-in-ottawa
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Brian In Sarnia
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The people I feel bad about are the volunteers for all parties. For me an election in the summer is no different. It doesn't stop me from going to work any other time of year, so why would it stop me from going to work in the summer? Voting takes me 10 minutes. Big deal. Stop complaining.
Martin Partridge
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zaine
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Mike in AB
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emv in ontario
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mark H.
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Including blustering and more blustering, followed by caving.
...The party of Stephane Dion is alive and well.
Enjoy your election-free summer, everyone.
Liz in Toronto
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Alan in Vancouver
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This Iggy is a dangerous dude; over-educated and crafty but with no experience actually running even a small business,
Annoyed Westerner
said
Easterners can go freeze in the dark if the Libs shut the West down again...
And not one Liberal MP west of Ontario will be elected.
Let the Tories do their job. Better to have an economist as PM than a preachy ex-Harvard professor wanna-be who hasn't lived here for 34 years.
GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said
Thankfully its not contagious.
See ya Iggy! Enjoy the trip back home!
brian summers, brampton,ont.
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Chicken Little Ignatieff
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The left is divided and Layton will not go quietly into the sunset He likes his well paying job and will take more seats the next election. The Liberals know what caused the recession and so do Canadians. It is like the swine flu a Pandemic
retdhairy
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Moe-Edmonton
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Linda
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jim from wpg.
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Trevor
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Gareth Hitchings
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Canadians elected 308 MP's last October and we expect them to vote for the things they believe in, on principal, as the NDP guy mentioned here. If that means we go back and vote again then so be it, far better to have parliamentarians who vote on principal than a bunch who vote on nothing but political expediency all the time.
To read this article and others this week, you'd think that Canadians would rather have an unrepresentative parliament than be inconvenienced during our nap-time at the cottage. Our Grandfathers fought and died in their thousands so we could have freedom and democracy and now we can't even be bothered to get off the couch for it? This is reprehensible Canada!
Tono
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Bob in rural MB
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