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Date: Thu. Jun. 11 2009 8:02 PM ET
Amid all the optimism they exuded in the government's economic update, neither Prime Minister Stephen Harper nor Finance Minister Jim Flaherty are mentioning whether the country's deficit can be paid down by 2013 as they planned.
Harper warned that his stimulus plan will lead to Canada's biggest deficit ever -- at least $50 billion. TD Bank economists Don Drummond and Derek Burleton predicted last week that Canada will run a combined deficit of more than $167 billion over the next five years under Harper's current budget.
The economists said Canada will have a deficit of at least $20 billion still in the 2013-2014 fiscal year.
Harper was in Cambridge, Ont., delivering an economic update designed to stave off a summer election and said his stimulus plans will hasten Canada's economic recovery, but will come at a price.
"Our deficit will be significant but is affordable," Harper said.
But there was no mention of the long-term deficit.
On CTV News Channel's Power Play, Flaherty danced around repeated questions about the long-term deficit.
"I already do two budgets a year . . . I don't want to do four, five, six budgets," Flaherty said Thursday. "We have to look twice a year, see where we are, do our projections, which we will do."
"We'll do the usual fall economic update come the autumn, but we intend to get rid of this deficit over time."
He said he was more worried about whether stimulus money was getting out to infrastructure projects rather than having the deficit paid off in five years.
Flaherty also said he expects unemployment to worsen in the coming months.
"History, that's how recessions tend to work over time," he said.
Debate over stimulus spending
Canada's economy is chugging towards recovery and will only be derailed by "needless political instability," Harper said Thursday.
He said 80 per cent of the $22.7 billion earmarked as stimulus spending is "committed and is being implemented" in some 3,000 infrastructure projects across the country.
"That is no small feat only 72 days into the fiscal year," Harper said, while delivering the second of his government's promised quarterly reports to the House of Commons.
He said Canada was the last of the major developed countries to be dragged into the global recession, has been the least hard-hit by it, and "we will make sure Canada emerges in the strongest position when it is over."
The Liberals had threatened to topple the minority government if Thursday's report didn't show that progress was underway, and the $22.7 billion in stimulus spending approved by Parliament was being rolled out.
Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says he will read the report before deciding whether to bring down the government.
Ignatieff say he will make his decision as soon as Friday. He made the comments at a lunch in Montreal.
The NDP and the Bloc Quebecois have indicated that they will vote against the economic update in the House of Commons.
All three parties must vote against the update in order to bring down the Conservatives' minority government.
The Liberals, who were without Ignatieff in the House of Commons, were rather mum on the stimulus update during question period Thursday.
But both the NDP and the Bloc went on the offensive against the government's economic update.
"Why have so many projects been announced but work sites sit idle?" NDP Leader Jack Layton asked in the House of Commons. "The money is not flowing, don't ask me, ask the mayors."
Last week, the mayors of Canada's 22 biggest cities appealed to the government to get cash flowing to infrastructure projects, fearing that the summer construction season is slipping away.
"The Conservatives' stimulus plan is a complete failure, the number of jobless is on the rise," Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe said in French during question period. "We have no choice but to vote against . . . this bill."
Economy will recover: Tories
The presentation was moderated by Sen. Mike Duffy, a former television journalist, and included a casual, seemingly unscripted interview with the prime minister during which he traded jokes with Duffy and took questions from the audience.
Harper's key message, however, was that Canada has been largely sheltered from the recession and will recover if left in the hands of the Conservative government.
"We are making progress," Harper said. "Some signs of stability are appearing in the global economy and Canada's performance... remains the best among all the major developed countries."
Harper also took a shot at the opposition parties, accusing them of having "tax and spend" aspirations and saying Ignatieff would "unequivocally" raise taxes if his party were to win an election.
He warned the timing is wrong for an election.
"We are on the right course and the only thing that can get us of course now is needless political instability," Harper said.
Harper did admit that not all is rosy in the economy, saying the Employment Insurance system needs work, and said more improvements are planned for the fall to strengthen the system.
The update was expected to provide specifics on infrastructure spending, employment and projections for economic growth, following a period in which Canada has lost 363,000 jobs since last October.
The Conservatives agreed to provide the House of Commons with periodic updates on the government's economic progress as part of a deal they made with the Liberals in order to get the Jan. 27 budget passed.
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terri
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Logan
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Jim-Surrey
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Iggy is NOT going to win any points with his American attitude if he calls and election, I think we have had enough of all that as Canadians already and don't think the monies is there for that.
Iggy GO HOME,as you aren't there being in Canada!!!!
Nick in Gatineau
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1. The opposition parties were the only political parties in Federal politics who knew something was WRONG with the economy.
2. The opposition parties asked that the Minority Pseudo-Ultra-Right-Wing government do something about it. ***Based on their international experience and knowledge in International affairs.
3. The Minority Pseudo-Ultra-Right-Wing government chose to turn a deaf ear to the opposition and say that there was nothing wrong with the economy - TO GET ELECTED AGAIN.
4. The western provinces bought the Conservative deaf ear CRAP and elected these morons to power.
5. The newly elected PM prorogued parliament because he wanted to hear what the OECD and the IMF and the WTO had to say. And because he wanted the world to see that Canadians do not know their own election laws.
6. The OECD and the IMF and the WTO said the SAME THING THE OPPOSITION PARTIES WERE SAYING.
7. The Conservative Government returned in favour of a stimulus package and refused to acknowledge the opposition for their foresight. Forced a budget on the backs of Laid-off workers because of the EI timetable issue.
8. The Conservatives chose to take the
9. Now they keep harping on the fact that the Opposition wanted the stimulus package.
Typical Ultra-right-wing garbage.
Now tell us where the money is being spent. And it better not be for projects that were already on the books.
Independently Minded
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I guess the Cons are really worried about an election.
Can you smell the fear mongering, caustic rhetoric and finger pointing beginning to float around.
Then the ever popular speaking for the masses as some sort of self elected spokespeople...
The last one amuses me the most.
You know Mulroney won without attack ads, you might want to ask him how....Oh wait!
You Re-Cons burned that bridge to the ground didn't you?
Unfortunate, his counsel could have pulled your tails out of the fire you've started...
Well there's always Karl Rove, who'll help...for a fee!
CAW
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Harper and Flaherty can't say because
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They have bought into deficit-spending government and they're waiting for the Liberals and NDP to deliver their next orders.
Alysha Ont
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Once again we see the Torie Zombies blindly believing the spew coming from Harper. When will u guys wake up and smell the flowers. The conservatives led by harper make the liberals look like angels when u compare the amount of money they have squandered,thrown away and/or misappropriated. Any person with the least amount of intelligence can see that the conservative platform is the worst thing that ever happened and has undermined and destroyed any type of realistic government reform. Please let us save our amazing country and get these criminals out of power."
Seems like you are doing the spewing. Have you forgotten how your dear Liberals squandered our money a few short years ago. Sponsorship scandal, Adscam, leaky subs, robbing EI to balance their budget?? Thought so !! They sent our troops to war ill equipped to do the work ! They downloaded onto the Municipalities who were already financially burdened and had to increase our taxes. These are just some of the examples of Liberal squandering our money uselessly!
How soon we forget!
Jason Daniel Baker, Toronto
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What was his alternative? Letting a Liberal-NDP-Bloc coalition fumble its way through it and collapse paving the way for a Tory majority.
Harper has had countless opportunities since 2005 to win a majority and squandered all of them.
Often it is his past political background that makes people uncomfortable.
Now it is confusion as this "Conservative" runs record deficits stymieing his own supporters.
CorneliusSask
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Good to know advertising still works!
Rob
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Steve the Pundit
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"Stimulus" can also be achieved by putting money in the hands of the public in the form of ... wait for it! LOWER TAXES!! Consumption spending is the largest component of GDP (60%), so the more money people have left in their pockets not going to taxes, the more they can spend it in other areas.
Every economist on the world stage has stated publicly that Canada went into the world-wide recession in a better position than all the G8 countries, and will come out of it sooner. Do you think that maybe, just maybe, the $12 billion GST cut acted as a stimulus to give us a softer landing than most?
I would think having more money left in my kids' piggy bank, as opposed to in government coffers, is a much better alternative than crazy, unfocused stimulus spending.
And if you're a fan of scary movies in Ontario, all the stuff that you blame Flaherty for in the past will pale in comparison to when the final bill comes in from the McGuinty years. Here's the REALLY scary part: he's ALREADY raising taxes AND gutting health care TODAY!!
BOO!!
Mike from Toronto
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If the Harper gang is so sure of next election,
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But he won't.
Harper will dither and dither and dither.
Man up, Harper. Pull the trigger.
Jayme
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It would be anything but a easy majority for the liberals.There could be many things that may hurt the liberals.
1)The last time they were in power things over all were not good.
2)A few weeks ago iggy came out and said a true canadian speaks both english and french.
3)Back in jan the liberals wanted money to go out.A couple months ago they were not really wanting it to go out.
This is just a few issues.If there is a summer election i think the ndp or green part would win and maybe even have a majority.
Richie.....Qualicum Beach
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bert
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mr fish
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Vic
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Tories government keeps spending our money in warfare and unnecessary expenses.
Right wing's deficit policy would only benefit ammunition merchants and giant oil tycoons.
As our money printer put into the wrong side, and it could never help the urgent need of health care, education and jobless people.
I Trust Harper
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Joe Sanity
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Hold their feet to the fire Craig Oliver!
TWagner
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Joe Sanity
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"I remember when Chretien was on CNN, they were laughing at him because he talked like he just came out of a tavern."
Wow... you must be a very young Conservative. You don't remember the Attack ad the Tories did on Chretien back in '93? They thought it was a good idea to laugh at his facial paralysis too. After that election they were left with just 2 seats...
With this new culture of slander you Reform/Conservatives have going for you, you might very well redeem poor old Kim Campbell.
eddytoronto
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As above ,So Below!
Masive collapse of the Dow in October.
Get Out Now Please dont be Fooled
Hunter Mars
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Heaping piles of fallacious documentation .
The money is still in the bank for the most part .
By my estimation Harpo has ssid "We have turned a corner " no less than four times in the last month .
Four turns makes a circle. So we are spinning in circles created by the math whizzes in the Crapper
party .
Guess you CRAP members have not been reading the latest polling numbers .
An easy majority for the Liberals .
Don't cry too hard . Losers .
Andrew, Simcoe, On
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M M B Ont
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Shame on you of so little faith !
Ross Wilkie
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Time for all parties to get us out of the economic mess.
Less time should be spent on election posturing and more time on a joint effort for economic recovery.
Who cares about the Blocs comments.
Time for NDP and Liberals listen to the majority of Canadians. Polls say NO ELECTION THIS SUMMER.
5th Generation Canadian
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André in Ontario
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Independently Minded
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Wait!
Weren't you two the same ones on a tirade over the proposed "coalition" calling the MPs "traitors"?
What would that make you?
Hmmm, I guess Harper's double standard comes by him honestly after all....
By the way, you may want to check with other Albertans before speaking for the province. The PQ tried that and lost both of their referendums in Quebec.
Turns out being a proud Quebecer doesn't necessarily trump being a proud Canadian. I suspect the proud Albertans may feel the same way...
Reece
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...yeah, stroke victims are funny...btw, people like you make me thankful we don't have such prejudiced gun-totting people in our ranks.
Andy Kanata
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To bring the government down requires that more than one opposition party vote against it - that will not happen under the current situation. The Bloc and NDP have lost seats in Quebec to the Liberals. Until that situation is reversed, the Bloc will never vote for an election. The NDP has the same problem.
The Liberals do not want an election right now. Their support is increasing and that is a plus but we are still in a recession and governing during one is not what anyone wants to do. They will continue to raise money for their party, do what they can to increase their popularity (you know, the usual lying, spinning, flip flopping tactics that worked for them in the past) and most important of all, they will wait until there is a clear sign that the recession is over and the world is on the way back up. They will then do whatever it takes to bring the government down, jump into power and claim that they have brought Canada out of the recession and then proceed to tax the living daylights out of everyone while shredding what is left of our health care, military and any other program they can. Then the real recession will begin: the moral recession.
Nick in Gatineau
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'Not to mention Stephen Harper is better looking on camera than our previous Prime Ministers were. Chretien with his slack-jaw, Paul Martin with his studdering, etc. etc. At least Harper, when he goes on camera, has a straight face that not just our country doesn't laugh at, but the rest of the world doesn't laugh at. I remember when Chretien was on CNN, they were laughing at him because he talked like he just came out of a tavern.'
Electing someone because of how they look is a personal choice I guess.
Personally, I don't tolerate anyone attacking people for the way they look or where they are born. I also don't tolerate people who attack others because they stutter. Let me guess, anyone who stutters is a liar ? Your ignorance is actually quite baffling in this day and age. But then again, these types of attacks are something which the conservatives obviously base their entire political platforms and personal beliefs on.
So in your opinion, politics are reserved for the Beautiful people ?!
And here we have it. The next Conservative election platform and slogan all in one:
Brad and Angelina for Prime Minsiter.
Will the women content in Cabinet consist of local strippers ? I know. Porn stars ? No ? Holywood runs for PM ? No ?
When are Harper, Flaherty, Kenney, Baird and Raitt resigning ? God knows the world is laughing at their incompetence.
Harper has the charisma of a door knob.
Tono
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M M B Ont
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Layton will never support anything this gov't does and makes it clear. So why is he and his lame ducks even in Parliament? Iggy loves to shoot his mouth off but adds nothing substantial or has no concrete solutions other than to tax the hell out of us Canadians and then he will run back to the USA laughing his bloody head off and making more nasty comments about Canada and it's people.
We don't need to spend money on a useless election. What we need is to close the doors to the daycare that they all play in and open up Parliament to a mature governing people who want to work for Canadians and Canada ! Stop whining and be happy things are not worse. Iggy wants credit for the work Harper is doing for Canada. And with all the whining and complaining from everyone, it says one thing. Harper is doing a good job, you all know it, but don't want to admit it.
CNW
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Independently Minded
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Are these really adults who's comments we need take seriously?
My only comments to the government and their apparent lap dog Mike Duffy are:
Thanks for the flowery speech,however to echo the municipalities and provinces - "Show me the money!" Announcements are nice, but shovels in the ground are Better!
Why are you getting out of the isotope business? Is it because you failed to maintain one of 5 in the world and thus your quarterly thinking sees no point in Canada contributing to the world's supply? Is there an American bidder who wants the reactor?
So much for Canadian leadership in this area I guess.
What about the deficit? Has it ballooned another 15 billion, or is that the news we get to hear about in September?
Defending an unapologetic minister who was caught making insensitive and callous remarks about the isotope issue "before" it came to a head, also didn't help the PM's credibility any.
Your plea that the country is better off in the hands of the Conservatives strikes me as rather shallow considering what this government has done and not done thus far.
Taking credit for banking regulations instituted before your time and ones you couldn't touch due to your minority status did not make us better off on your watch, we already were.
There is not only a budget deficit with this government there is a competency and confidence deficit as well.
We, the boss, appreciate your appeals, however we haven't quite made up our minds how long you should keep your jobs at the moment ...
DavidexTory in Toronto
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Is spending government money on radio ads that praise your government part of the stimulus package? Thats the only evidence I have seen recently of money flowing out of Ottawa. What have you spent the rest on and please dont include money previously allocated before you were forced into a stimulus package after being forced to recognize there actually was a recession. Thanks for playing Mr PM, its time for you to go home to Calgary.
Nick in Gatineau
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You have missed what being Canadian is all about if you even hint that you actually believe in what you just wrote.
Any Canadian citizen can run for PM if he or she has been elected leader of a political party. Regardless of where they spent their youth or their lives prior to such an appointment.
Ask yourself how many CEOs have studied in foreign universities. Then ask yourself if they wanted to become CEOs of that exact corporation. The answer will be a resounding no.
When you want to become PM, its because you want to become PM. You don't try to be named leader of a party to become an accountant. If your party believes in you they elect you. If they don't, they don't. If the people elect you, and the party you represent wins the most seats, then you become PM otherwise they are telling you that are nothing more than an MP.
The 'he is not Canadian' argument is nothing short of Quebec Separatist (Tremblay)tactics that backfired because it was Ultra Right-wing. It is apparent that Ultra right-wing sentiment are behind the 'Just Visiting' ads.
So spare me the 'Not Canadian' baseline. It is not a baseline for anything other than total disrespect.
Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
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the CONSERVATIVE economic
progress update, the LIBERALS will suffer HEAVY LOSSES at the polls.
The current government that WE elected has done a GOOD JOB and by the end of sept. when the recovery is much more noticable if an election is called it will be interesting to see who goes running back to the states!
Kris D.
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Nice spin bud. That adds up to $30 billion? You should work for Jim Flaherty with those kind of math skills.
You forgot to mention the $12 billion a year in revenue we're losing from the vote-buying GST cut, against the advice of virtually every economist.
So no, I still wouldn't let them OR you manage my daughter's piggy bank. Horrible, horrible fiscal managers these guys are. Just look what they did to Ontario. They’re now doin it to Canada.
I've seen this movie before. It has a very crappy ending.
Edmonton John
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That's absurd. Every Canadian citizen retains that right regardless of where their career takes them.
We are rightfully proud of the Canadian heritage of our fellow citizens who make it big in the US (yay, Paul Haggis! for example), so we cannot in the same breath disenfranchise them. Ignatieff accomplished an incredible amount and was rewarded with a very prestigious posting at Harvard. That is something all Canadians should be proud of.
On another note, all you who are 'thanking' Harper. Save your thanks for the opposition who forced Harper to act on your behalf. If he actually accomplished anything it is because of, and not in spite of, the opposition.
Yay, Iggy! Pack a lunch, Stevie, the Professor is taking you to school!
Mike
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Oh but I guess it's ok if the Conservatives called an unnecessary election just for the sake of trying to add buy more GST-cut funded seats (that 2% cut meant 15 billion+ lost which could have gone a long way to helping the situation today).
Reece
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As typical you contradicted yourself. Harper too said he will not serve in gov't if he loses the next election. I guess he's in it for himself? Well, HE is anyway. I, along with many Canadians, live outside the country for work purposes. 150,000 Americans live in Alberta yet they are American through and through. The cheapness of questioning one's patriotism is so lame - I'm not at all surprised you think it's gonna work. Iggy worked for a prestigious university in the USA - a position to die for. You think to demonstrate one's patriotism you should let go of your dreams and stay in your own town to prove to people you are Canadian? I live in Mexico part of the year - I guess I'm more Mexican and lost my Canadian roots. All of a sudden I'm put off by hockey and have a hankering for bull fighting and Sol Beer. Wow, HORRORS!
Yep, stick with that logic, kiddo, because unless you come up with something substantial you guys are gonna lose this election in a big way. The polls show it today.
Today Harper took credit for how Canada is handling the global recession - what he refused to acknowledge is the fact that Chretien & Martin are the archetects of Canada's furtunes. It's these issues that will make or break a party and the liberals have been great for Canada. The neo-cons and their rhetoric and lack of ideas have done nothing for us as a country. You're all going down.
Rob in Abbotsford
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ALH
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Now that Harper has put the country into a deficit, the Bloc would loose credibility for keeping Harper into power.After all, the Bloc feel Quebec, is not getting enough funds for certain programs. Like social programs,environment, etc
Also, keep in mind, Duceppe does have some wild cards he can play, to keep his vote percentages up, and so does the NDP.
So I agree with KMC, do not just assume the Bloc will agree with Harper.
Afterall, he said some things about the bloc that were not necessarily true.
The Bloc are not the way they used to be in the 1980's under Bouchard. Bouchard was more right winged.
Bill
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We need a real leader not those clowns in Ottawa that are only worried about getting re-elected
Give us a Don Cherry he says it like it is - and takes action even when you may not like what he says people listen
Uli
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Dunny from Manotick
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ANDY KANATA - you got it mostly right, neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives could do much different than what is being done except maybe under the Conservatives money won't be recycled and end up in the pockets of party members. The Liberals did get caught stealing from us.
Doug BC
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Anyone who thinks another $300 million dollar election is going to improve the economy is either stupid,or just letting some political hack do all their thinking for them.
"Don't trust the CONS" leaves me in limbo.Even if I took that advice,just who do you think I can trust?? I fled the Liberals because they were liars,cheats,and thieves.Surely you aren't suggesting we elect "Taliban Jack" as PM.Or are you.
These are tough times for everyone.But socialism via the NDP,the Liberals(aka NDP Lite) or the BLOC will only make things worse."Iggy" whines about the deficit,at the same time he calls for MORE spending.Neither the Liberals or the NDP will come out and oppose the auto industry bailout,which is more than half the amount ot the entire deficit.
Sorry "Iggy".I might like to come back to the Liberal party.But I do not trust you any more.Show me ALL of your policies.Tell me how much EI reform will cost.How much for "free" day care? Will you sell of our military to pay for more "free" hand outs to special interest groups?? Where will you get your money? More taxes? Or will you cut? If so,where will you cut??
Bashing Harper is not good enough.I want to know what you want me to vote "FOR".I don't care what you want me to vote "AGAINST".
Right now,BC is getting more face time with Harper than we ever got under any Liberal government.No one in the west should vote Liberal until they get their act together.For us,Harper is still the best choice on the ballot.
I trust the "CON's"... and mistrust the Fiberals
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"CONS" are good for business. They are good for cleaning house after the lefties were turfed out for incompetence and scandals.
The poll clearly says the people don't want an election and what is Iggy doing? Sabre rattling as if he holds sway. Well then Mr. Iggy call and election and lets have at it and we will see what Canadians REALLY think of the Fiberals.
Jimbo
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Thank goodness the Liberal Party did not succeed in ganging up with the other parties to bring down the government. There would be nothing to believe in.
A slow progression to revitalizing the economy is what is being done and it is the best way.
Scotty
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terri
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Nobody is saying that Canadians working abroad are not Canadian or proud of the fact that they are Canadian. My son lives and works in Australia,however he is not coming back to try and be Prime Minister. I don't recall hearing Shanai or Brian Adams wanting to come back to run for office either. He has already said if he doesn't become Prime Minister he will leave Canada. Give your head a shake. He is only in it for himself. I don't even think he remembers what being Canadian is all about.
Tucker
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He said 80% of the infrastructure money has been COMMITTED and is rolling out. There is a difference to your statement of 80% rolling out.
Although true unemployment numbers are still rising, they are rising at a FAR slower pace than they were. Look at last months unemployment numbers, and they must be taken with a grain of salt becuase StatsCan included all the Chyrsler TEMPORARY layoffs (and temporary layoffs at companies related to Chrysler such as auto parts makers) in the numbers because the workers had not need given a firm restart date. We learned just yesterday that those workers will be returning to their jobs in a matter of weeks, now that the Supreme Court in the USA has approved the sale to Fiat.
Lorne
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Just months ago, before the economy went to hell, PM Harper was continually threatening an election.
Now, just because he is down in the polls, an election is not needed.
Get your heads out of the sand and wake up!!!
Harper wanted an election long before the Liberals threatened to bring down the government.
Tunnel vision at its best by the PC supporters!!!!
Dean in Edmonton
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If Iggy wants to bring down the government, then let him pay for it, and not the Canadian taxpayers, we are hurting bad enough. I bet if he had to pay for an election instead of us he would think twice about it, and he would want to work with the current government.
neilpk70
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Ian in Ontario
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It doesn't matter which party we put in, the problem will still be there. They have the attitute that they don't have to be ficically responsible and they can print more money whenever required. The federal governemt has downloaded so much to the provinces in turn to the counties to the municipalities to make each level of governmet look fiancially better.
We put in a minority governement so things will get done, not once but twice. Move on and get over it. Do what you were elected to do. If anybody thinks we can afford another election they should get their heads out the sand.
Canadians deserve more from or politicians and we should start demending it.
Fan of Craig
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I still respect your work but do hope you will try to stay more positive and offer less critique about how things are managed and therefore, stick to the agenda of reporting.
Tom Brokaw
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Logan
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Realist
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It's called a GLOBAL recession, folks!
Red X
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Must be in those small city, rural ridings...
From 2007 data - Gerard Kennedy paraphrased; 78%, 21 of 27 major infrastructure projects were in Conservative ridings at the time they held 125 of 308 seats.
Steve the Pundit
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- how does $22 billion in stimulus translate into a $50 billion deficit? Have you already forgotten about the money promised and given to GM and Chrysler? Have you missed the stories on how corporate profits are down, personal incomes are down, people are shopping less and, as a result, TAX revenues are down? Need more examples?
- as to how any politician is going to eliminate the deficit (Harper or otherwise), good question. If the stimulus spending is one-time, as planned, it would be much easier to return to balanced budgets then if the Liberals got in and were able to enact their crazy E.I. fixes, which would create PERMANENT, STRUCTURAL deficits. And don't get me started if the NDP ever held the balance of power...
As for "gutting health care", it's already the largest item in the federal budget; if not "gut it", SOMEBODY has to do something to get health spending under control before the health system collapses under the weight of its wretched excess.
I think you might actually be better off letting someone else manage your daughter's piggy bank...
Logan
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Logan
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Connie - Alberta
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SunCoaster
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Joe Sanity
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"So the Tories want to stave off a summer election........
I bet if they were ahead in the polls they would sure love to have a summer election."
How do the Reform/Conservatives put it when they're down in the polls?.... "The people of Canada don't want an election at this time" Whew! Lucky for them I guess! ;-)
MARG MM
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Therefore, knowing that the Liberals will do anything to gain back power (which they think is their entitlement), there will probably be a non confidence motion, and we will see who has the guts to go along with them and force an election. My guess is they are just blowing smoke, and will all back down.
Oscar in Ottawa
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Get over it, the Conservatives are making the best out of a bad GLOBAL situation and doing pretty well at it. Their term in office hasn't been long enough for everything that’s going wrong as of late to be their doing, the Liberals had their hand in it all as well.
There are many Canadians who would love to see the bleeding heart Liberals in power again so they can throw money at every special interest group out there then claim we're in worst shape than the Conservatives let on, their MO since politics began.
We’re doing better than the rest of the world be thankful for that…. Or wait is that just more Conservative babble?
Stop, you’re making me laugh again.
Ted
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Margaret Bedore
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Dave from Toronto
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So it's needed political instability when he's UP in the polls?
"Not the time for an election" when he's down in the polls?
Utterley laughable.
All You Need Is Love
said
So, I believe a "thank you" is in order for Mr. Harper and his team. Canadians are getting new jobs (even if in many cases, at a lower pay) and unemployment insurance is more generous and accessible.
You know, we have to admire Harper for standing up to the Public Service bullies, hidden very comfortably in their ivory tower...
Oh, and let the Opposition oppose. Seems they don't have anything more constructive to do or propose...
James in New Brunswick
said
Personally, I think that a real recovery is some time off yet and that little of Canada's recovery will be the result of any government action and more to do with improving world conditions. The key will be to be in power when that happens so that the government of the day can take credit for it.
If the Opposition doesn't force a summer election they run the risk that the Government will earn a majority in the next federal election.
Marco
said
-_-
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Concerned Canadian
said
Because of constant threats to overturn the government from the Liberals and NDP, Canada will emerge in good shape from the recession. It's important to remember that Mr. Harper's proposed budget would not have helped us get out of the financial meltdown.
This shows that a minority government can work well in Canada, provided the opposition parties have the courage to confront a government like the Conservatives when it refuses to take the will of the majority into account.
Adam in Ottawa
said
markass
said
this is silly
said
Dayton
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Oldsalt
said
What is he going to do for me. Being a Gulf War Vet who lost 1/2 of his pension when my ex divorced me I have to work. The service does not give you papers when you leave and do not pay to retrain you like the US service. Also have been told that I have to wait 2.5 months for my first EI check after paying into EI for 37 years. Is this the way to treat our vets? I do not think so
If I was in Ont and worked for some big car company where he needs votes you can bet that Harper would be there doing all he can.Being on the east coast Harper does not care about us.
I would love to see him and his Goverment, staff live on $910.00 a month.
It was his buddy Brain that sent me to war now Harper turns his back on us vets. Wish that Harper would sit down with me and explain just what monies and jobs he is going to make or save that I will be able to work at( with as I keep being told that I am not able to do as no papers no job).
You need money to go back to school,and you need money to eat, have a place to live in, along with power. What does he want me to give up? Is Harper telling me that I should give up liveing to get retrained? I do not come under the "older retraining program" that IE has as I am 53.
Harper has to go
Just a thought
said
I'm glad to see that yours and Peter 1951's arguments are so firmly based in logical, rational thought. Also, I'm glad that political attack ads have not influenced your opinion one bit.
Of course, anyone born in this country and currently working outside its borders is clearly not as Canadian as you are because hey...you're from Winnipeg...a city that's obviously a clear representation of everything it means to be Canadian.
In all seriousness, Winnipeg's great. Bill, you're not so much. The fact that you think being Canadian is something that needs to be learned...well who's to say that you're the expert on what it means to be Canadian. You and Peter 1951. One thing that is resoundingly recognized as something Canadian is our compassion and willingness to be amicable with other countries. Both yours and Peter's labeling of what you deem to be Ignatieff's plotting (an negative trait) as being American would seem to indicate that you and Peter that are less Canadian than the guy you accuse of being more American. Just a thought.
Nick in Gatineau
said
So my question is how many more projects like these were lumped into the 'Stimulus' package ?
How many projects are being reported as Stimulus when they were already budgeted prior to the Stimulus package being table in the Conservative Budget ?
Are there actual NEW projects or is this simply the government taking the glory for Municipal management ?
'Cause from what I hear, the supposed 'NEW' big ticket expenses haven't had a shovel hit the ground yet.
Where is the money going ?
Enough all Ready
said
Pat
said
Kris D.
said
Question 1: If the stimulus program is $22 billion, how come our deficit is over $50 billion?
Question 2: How is Mr. Harper going to eliminate the deficit without rasing taxes or completely gutting health-care?
I wouldn't let these clowns manage my daughter's piggy-bank. They have absolutely NO CLUE.
M
said
Sounds like waffling!
Canada Rocks
said
I would like to hear Iggy say that if he was in power it would have been a smaller deficit - get a life people we knew the numbers are bad and would only get worse no one is really shocked at a 50 or even 70b deficit.
Liberal or convservatives would do roughly the same thing so please let us vote when there is a real problem like deciding to go to war or scraping health car or something major like that
Jay, Ottawa
said
Dear Doug,
The PM is not reading comments on a web site.
Sincerely,
Reality
Jay, Ottawa
said
Uh Bill, all those polls are showing that more than two thirds of Canadians DO NOT want a Conservative government at all. Thanks for playing though.
Jay, Ottawa
said
The punishment will be swift."
Another ridiculous statement. How many corporations now have had significant board changes to get through the crisis? Flaherty has demonstrated beyond any doubt to me that this challenge is more than he can handle. Maybe someone else should take over. Someone who can put together a team that can forecast with a better degree of certainty.
Dan
said
1. Harper is not responsible for the recession and no politician in there right mind can predict what will happen in a time where things are completely uncertain as they have been. I have seen so many comments stating the recession is Harpers fault. Than when they give billions to keep jobs, people claim they are wasting tax payers dollars. You cant have it both ways.
2. While the Conservatives have screwed up alot, you can possibly think putting Liberals back into power will miracuously make Canada the first country to come out of recession. If you are you need help.
3. The deficit grew because the Liberals and NDP demanded the government spend more and wanted to increase the EI payouts which would have increased the deficit even more. If you think you can adopt this kind of action and not need to spend more money, than you need to take a class in Economics.
James from Vancouver
said
Also, why not release this report in the house of commons? Are the Conservatives trying to avoid public scrutiny?
David,exTory, Toronto
said
Rick in NB
said
You tories have to find a leader. If not, all you stood for in the past will mean nothing shrouded in a veil of Harper deceit.
Donna in NS
said
If memory serves me correctly the only party that has forced an election on Canadians in the past ten years by either defeating the governing one or calling an illegal one is the Consertatives.
Cambob
said
Seriously? Because if that's the wind blowing from the Left, Harper will get a majority next time around.
You can spin the record any way you want, but the facts are:
Ontario has taken the brunt of the recession, due to 3 foreign car companies and within each, an unyeilding union.
If Ontario is so tied to one industry (as Alberta is with oil) then perhaps the last few PROVINICAL governments should be held accountable for the mis-management of the provinces' economy.
Steve the Pundit
said
Federal politicians of all stripes owe it to Canadians to STAY FOCUSED on fixing the economy, using all reasonable solutions at their disposal. Then, when the economy shows signs of improvement, let the incumbent government have an election on their record. But until then, stop sniping, stop posturing and get to work. ALL of you. Or you may ALL find yourselves out of work come the next election.
Western Separatist
said
Have not provinces that controll the vast majority of seats is like letting welfare recipients determine the size of there monthly check. Add to that their non waivering committment to anything that is on the extreme left, their wide open door immigration policies and there constant demands for bailouts of failed industry means an end to this confederation.
Sooner than you think Western separatism will emerge as the primary issue facing this country.
M.A.R in NB
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rob o
said
Michael Ignatieff needs to get this number for Canadians. As per those indicating about him being out of the country. Guess what, my parents lived most of their lives outside of Canada, and they are so Canadian, proud of it.
The people who never left Canada (i find) are those without the financial means, or without the desire to really gain international experience.
Stop whining because others have international experience. geez!
Ron
said
KMC (ON)
said
It's true the Bloc are neck and neck with the Liberals, in Quebec, but that's largely due to the free ride/free pass that Ignatieff has enjoyed in the Liberal media.
Once Duceppe starts pointing out to Quebeckers Ignatieff's support for Bush, his justification for torture, indefinite detention and pre-enptive war, I suspect the Quebec vote will plummet.
Couple the above with Ignatieff's stated view that Quebec "culture" is "laughable" and I suspect Ignatieff's apparent "surge" in Quebec will evaporate.
Without the Quebec vote, the Liberals will be reduced to the "immigrant vote" in Montreal, Toronto & Vancouver
So, Duceppe may be quite willing to go for an election as it would give him the opportunity to decimate the Liberal poll numbers in Quebec.
Of course, Ignatieff/Layton may try the "coalition" again
supported by the Bloc, despite Ignatieff's recent assertions that the "coalition" was of "questionable legality".
Doug Ont
said
You are bringing Canada through the worst recession in years with confidence and hope for the future.
You have attempted to bring stability and fairness to federal-provincial relations, although some Premiers, being used to strong-arming Liberal governments, are not team players.
You have brought Canada's military back to taking it's proper role in the free world.
You have shown leadership in international affairs. In spite of the Kyoto silk-stocking socialist club, you convinced world leaders that without the world's biggest poluters on board their efforts would not succeed. By shining the light on NATO, you forced them to admit that their participation in Afghanistan was not enough. The free world followed Canada's lead during the UN supposedly anti-racism conferance.
Canadians for many years to come will benefit from your immigration and crime-fighting legislation.
All this was accomplished with diplomacy and without ever uttering a personal insult to one of your political enemies.
If Mr Ignatieff causes the government to fall, without ever bring forth any policy, it will be to the detriment of Canada.
Jojo, NO ELECTION PLEASE!
said
THAT IS FRIGHTENING! Shows no regard for Canadian people.
Jim in Ottawa
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troubled 1
said
Give your heads a shake!
I don't think that the liberals are going to pull anything out of a hat to fix the "GLOBAL" economic crisis.
Nick in Gatineau
said
Too cold.
There's a game on.
Too far.
It'll screw up my manicure.
Beer...War..., Hmmm.
Its snowing.
Its sunny out man.
Its raining.
My wife is still at the neighbours.
My kids are still at the neighbours.
I wonder what the excuses would be for an election ?
Election now!
said
No trust or faith in this PM.
Call Election NOW!
Jeremy
said
Why don't you try living in the Maritimes, and see how this part of the country has been totally forgotten about during the CON's rein.
And as far as Alberta not being in deficit, you can thank the ALBERTA prime minister who is having his lackies funnel money from a fund for environmental purposes into the TAR SANDS.
This is not confirmed, but when it is, I will enjoy saying "I TOLD YOU SO"
p.s. my 5 year old daughter could run that province and turn surpluses.
Richard L. Provencher
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Paul
said
Marc Coquitlam B.C.
said
Richard L. Provencher
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Paul - Orillia
said
Mayors across the country and other governments have cried they haven't received the funds Harper has now claimed are being rolled out.
Spin again so the public will believe the all mighty Harper, the one and the only.
Dave in Toronto
said
Vijay, Toronto
said
Mr. Ignatief, it's time you act responsibly & not try to bring don the Govt.
Mr. Layton, it's time you retired from Politics. You are never going to be the PM of Canada no matter how hard you try.
I will punish whatever party calls an election
said
Harper took over?
Is the country in better financial shape than before Harper took over?
Don't bother lying to me. Just face the truth. "
^you're kidding right. Does your weak little mind realize this is a global... GLOBAL financial crisis.
As a matter of fact I am in a better financial position now then before, but that has very little to do with the government and more to do with my own abilities.
Why don't you tell the truth and admit you'll always be a Liberal supporter and a Conservative basher, regardless of the facts.
Island Man
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bunny
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Bill in Oakville
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Matt
said
Explain something to me.
You claim it only took Harper 4 years to destroy the forest industry with the softwood lumber deal.
How is that possible when Harper and the Conservatives have only been in power since mid 2006? We're in 2009 now, so that only equals 3 years in power.
Edmonton John
said
The future begins now, and if we have to put up with a summer election, then so be it. It is a small price to pay to enjoy the benefits of voting in a democracy.
Just as we say with about unemployment, housing, health care and food, over 90% of the world would love to be in our shoes, despite our grumbling. The same goes for democracy.
All these put-downs and name calling of Michael Ignatieff are uncalled-for. The opposition is doing exactly what it is supposed to, and it is doing it in a far more responsible manner than Harper did when he led the opposition. At that time I characterized his attitude as political sabotage, and nothing I've seen has swayed me from that view.
If we are called to our democratic duty this summer, then let us undertake it with a serious attitude and make the best, informed decision for both the short and long-term benefit of all Canadians, whether they are here or abroad, whether they are aging pioneers or have yet to be born.
In every election I have made what I felt was the best choice I could, and sometimes it involved voting Conservative. That is not likely to happen this time, although my sense of responsibility compels me to at least consider it.
I hope you will all respond to the call, if it does come, with an open and objective mind.
A Fed Up Canadian
said
GF
said
What part of THE WORLD ECONOMY has gotten worse do you not understand? You make idiotic statements thinking this recession is only affecting Canada. Projections have to be revised based on realities. It's that simple.
The $34 Billion deficit estimate was made BEFORE the bailouts to Chrysler and GM. In case you can't add, those two bailouts account almost ENTIRELY for the increase in the deficit number.
And by the way, those people within the Liberal party not wanting an election include the party's own internal pollster. Maybe he knows how much support the Liberals REALLY have, not what polls like Harris-Decima and Ekos get paid by the Liberal party to tell them.
john
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Ted
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Rivet
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I grade him at 0
Adam in Ottawa
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TC
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Edmonton Jim
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Tony
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Dave in Ontario
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André in Ontario
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Please look at the facts about Harpo & being solid. He's been solid on misleading Canadians on the recession, misleading on the deficit, misleading on Chalk River cost & he has divided Canada more than any other PM in the history of Canada. He's been completely incompetent & has always tried to take credit for previous governments & blame other for there bad decisions & incompetence. So yes he has been a solid failure for Canada.
Jim in Ontario
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Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said
with the result of himself as PM.
The opposition parties will do their job and criticize a
good report.
This WORLD WIDE economic crisis is showing some signs
of recovery.
Canada will get through tis crisis because we are a STRONG country!
Are you in better financial shape now than before
said
Is the country in better financial shape than before Harper took over?
Don't bother lying to me. Just face the truth.
Nick in Gatineau
said
Sorry Shania Twain, according to the Conservative Party, you are not a Canadian. Same goes for you Michael J. Fox, Bryan Adams, all the actors who work on foreign soil, all the hockey players who play in the US, every diplomat and oh and almost forgot, ...
all the military personel who are presently abroad trying to create peace instead of war. Your Government has declared you as non-Canadian.
Wake up.
Do you have any idea of how ridiculous these types of attacks are ?
Flaherty, don't even think of bragging.
said
It is not possible for him to have any numbers that could substantiate his fantasies.
Bill iin BC
said
The LPC-NDP-Bloc are nothing but whining obstructionists.
Nick in Gatineau
said
It will say that the Reform party, uh sorry, the conservative party has done an incredible job at creating employment opportunities for Canadians and that debt does not exist on Canadian soil. No jobs were lost in Canada !!!!!
It will say that the Conservative Majority has done everything it set out to do, the liberal party has ceased to exist and Stephen Harper has been elevated to Demigog !!!
Wait, that was a recording of flaherty role playing with Harper. Or was it the fax intern ? Can't make out who it is over the Liberal bashing.
Or I could just ask the journalists at CBC and CTV to ask Harper to come clean about his relationship with Droege while he handled security for Reform Party rallies in Calgary. Or will he deflect those as Liberal farfetching as well ? Ah yes, the photo with a smiling Harper with his arms around Droege. Beautiful memory wasn't it ? Maybe their archivist can simply track that down and print it. Say a day or two before we go to the polls.
Oh well. Back to the realities of the economy.
St Eve
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ron in victoria
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Dave
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The punishment will be swift.
kc in alberta
said
Harper's government has proved to be just as secretive and self-serving as any group we've ever had so what little information is released in not likely to reveal the truth.
Polls say Canadians don't want a summer election and the unfortunate truth is this reluctance to go to the polls does not indicate that the public has any confidence in the current government only that none of the other parties has convinced us that they will do better.
Canadian politicians and all the parties that claim to best represent our interests have failed miserably for such a long time that none can claim they have the confidence of the people.
Don't trust the CONS
said
When the Cons (Flaherty, Baird et al) were in office in ONT. they told us we had a surplus, only to discover later by an independent auditor that we had a deficit.
MAL
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Prynce
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Shirlee - SK
said
Lets get some constructive ideas from the opposition not just negative comments.
Manny in Quebec
said
Not mentionning Raitt's teary-eyed apology...
JB in Calgary
said
Please by all means derail the government, make an election for the end of August or early-Sept. But please make sure you call Harvard for your job back, I wouldn't want to see you out of work come Sept. so it could work out nicely for you. You could be back in time to start the Fall Semester.
Dear Every Liberal Supporter,
I wish you guys would see that the Conservatives have been solid. Ya there have been hickups, ya they have said some stupid stuff at times (which party hasn't)but they have been reliable. They do what they say, and for the most part, they say what they do.
Many of your arguements have been that you don't want an Albertan in power. Well you know what you should live in Alberta. I wasn't born in this province, but I have been here for the last 11 years and I would never move to another province. Having a province that is out of debt is a great thing. I worked for 4 years in the patch and when I lost my job I was able to get student grants to get my upgrading and am now on the verge of graduating from University.
I know everybody's experiences and lives are different but the point is, the way this province has been run allows everybody to have equal opportunity to build their lives the way they want.
How can anybody not want that for themselves and their family?
Spenc from BC
said
Keith Fox
said
Ignatieff should hold off
calling a federal election
till Canada's economy is in
a good position .By calling
a election it can hurt the
recovery of the economy.I
know that we are fortunate
to be in Manitoba where the
recession hasn't hurt us as
other areas of Canada. I want other areas in Canada
to get unemployment levels
of 4.8 like Manitoba and
Saskatechewan before we have
a Federal election. We have
to work together and not play
politics at this time.
Dave
said
Matt
said
Fortunately the Conservatives are doing a pretty good job of handling it too, not doing enough according to some, doing way too much according to others.
That being said there won't be an election any time soon as an election isn't in the best interest of a majority in the house. There's more than enough there to give them a conditional pass again. Particularly if Harper makes a bit of a show of playing nice.
Andy Kanata
said
And to the people who want to see the 'real numbers'. Give me a break! When the Liberals were in power, did we ever see the 'real numbers'. No - but we did catch a lot of crooks walking away with taxpayer cash. And it has been a long time since that happened. So if we are ready to vote these crooks in again, then get ready for a string of scandals, and public inquiries.
The Cons, being in a minority government, can only do so much to help Canadians - especially when you have opposition parties that bring nothing but complaints to the table - not one idea from them on how to make things better for ordinary Canadians. Let's be honest with each other - does anyone think the Liberals would have done anything different from the Cons if they were in charge of a minority government? Some things may have been better, some worse but the overall picture would be the same. Unfortunately, minority governments will not work in this country anymore. There is no effort by any of the parties to govern for the good of all Canadians.
Laura
said
I am sure there is ample time to launch a new scandal to deflect from the real issue, the Economy.
Bill from Winnipeg...........
said
EVERYBODY PLEASE READ HIS POSTING. IT IS BRILLIANT AND DIRECTLY TO THE POINT.
There are enough things stressing us out. We definitely do not need IGGY ICKIE stirring the political pot every few weeks.
IGGY............
If you really had compassion for Canadians, you wouldn't be threatening to send us back into an election every second time you get on the tube.
WHILE THE CON'S ARE TRYING TO LOWER THE RETORIC AND THE "CRISIS TEMPERATURE" (VERY CANADIAN) YOU ARE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO PUSH IT UP AS HIGH AS YOU CAN ! ! ! !
Take your American style brinkmanship politics and go back to the US you love so much................
Perhaps you missed the course on Canadians being lay back , during all that time you WEREN'T living here and becoming one............
It takes more than a passport to be a "REAL canadian". It is learned throughout a lifetime of living HERE............
Observer.
said
I bet if they were ahead in the polls they would sure love to have a summer election.
Rick in NB
said
PS: Where's the money?
KMC (ON)
said
Ignatieff, who declared in May that "Canadians don't want an election", is now itching to get into 24 Sussex Drive before there are any further signs that the economic recovery may already be underway so that the Liberals can claim credit for beating the recession.
Job figures don't tell us anything. There is always a significant lag between an economic recovery and employment numbers.
bellainottawa
said
ALH in Ottawa
said
If we out on the job creation, then people will be waiting for a long time before they can recover from the economic downturn.
Herb
said
"Are we going to get the real numbers? Are we going to get the actual deficit numbers? This government never have been up front with Canadians why would one thinks any truths would come out of this. Bring them down & lets have an election."
A agree completely.
Peter 1951
said
Larry NL
said
Canada has been fortunate that these people were not at the helm during this global economic crisis.
André in Ontario
said