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Liberal Green Shift would benefit oilsands: Baird
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Date: Tue. Sep. 16 2008 10:20 AM ET
The Liberals' "Green Shift" carbon tax plan may actually be welcomed by the oilsands industry because it would create a pay-and-pollute system, says Conservative MP John Baird.
Speaking to Canada AM on Tuesday, Baird said he believes the plan would allow major oilsands polluters to maintain the status quo.
"They might actually like the Green Shift because what they could do is just simply go on, business as usual, and pay a user fee to pollute our atmosphere. We don't think that cuts it," Baird said.
The Conservatives' "Turning the Corner" environmental plan, Baird said, would force big polluters to cut their emissions with an eventual 20 per cent reduction in carbon emissions.
He said it also mandates carbon capture and storage regulations, which would require industry to trap carbon emissions and store them deep underground before they are released to the environment -- something he said has never been done before in Canada.
The Tory plan also promises to reduce the excise tax on diesel fuel -- something critics fear could actually lead to an increase in diesel consumption and therefore higher greenhouse gas emissions.
Baird dismissed the criticism, saying most Canadian goods are transported by rail or truck -- both heavy users of diesel fuel -- and "that's not going to change any time soon."
He said taxpayers need to be protected amid global economic uncertainty and warned the Liberal plan is too risky and would punish middle-class families.
"I don't think in these uncertain times we want to take a chance on a $16 billion new tax. It just seems risky, not worth the risk. What I think we want to do is actually force the companies to reduce their harmful greenhouse gas emissions," Baird said.
Liberals fire back
Liberal environment critic David McGuinty fired back, saying no environmental groups have approved the Conservative plan, and that the Liberals' strategy is the only one that would both benefit consumers and protect the environment by shifting the tax burden to polluters.
"We're going to shift taxation away from the things we want more of - more income, more productivity, more savings, more investment," McGuinty told Canada AM.
"We want to decrease pollution, we want to decrease waste, we want to decrease greenhouse gases, that's why the Conference Board of Canada just 10 days ago said Canada needs a carbon tax and it needs it now."
NDP weighs in
Nathan Cullen, the NDP's environment critic, said both plans are flawed and only his party's plan for a carbon cap and trade system, and increased environmental efficiency standards, would reduce the impact on the environment and reduce prices at the pumps.
He told Canada AM the New Democrats would also bring in a federal commission to ensure Canadians are fairly treated by gas companies and price fluctuations are justified.
"There is collusion going on, there is all sorts of discrepancies and Canadians are getting hosed at the pumps," Cullen said.
He added: "The climate change issue, though, is absolutely front and centre and Canadians are wanting solutions. They've had failure from this Conservative government, failure from the previous Liberal government and we believe New Democrats need to have a kick at the can here to make sure we get back on track."
The comments come as Alberta prepares to release a strategic energy plan for the province.
Premier Ed Stelmach is also talking about the possibility of building more oil refineries.
Stelmach said the government is talking to economists and people in the energy sector on the possibility of new refineries, but he's also waiting to see what the federal party leaders have to say about the issue during the campaign.
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Hmmmm
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Jack James - I will not be tricked
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What happened to the old Liberal Party???
CC-western Canada
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Nancy Vancouver
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Chris - Fredericton
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Everyone remember Koyoto...while I certainly agree with the principles of the agreement the goals seem to have been a bit lofty. The Liberals have a record of promises here but they fail to deliver time & time again. The Green Shift sets tax goals not emission targets. Do you seriously think that the government is going to mail everyone a rebate check every year to make this revenue neutral?
Given the current economic times a new tax is definitely way too risky. Big business polluters are merely going to pass the costs to the consumer & those in the lowest income bracket who cannot affort to buy a new Hybrid or furnace will be the ones who suffer most.
Lets look at the realities of the situation. The libs seem tp be back at their promise anything to get elected but deliver on nothing.
I'm tired of the "hidden agenda' / Mulroney / Bush / broken promises talk....anyone remember that emissions under the Libs actually increased while they ratified Koyoto, how about the BILLION dollar gun registry (how much was that supposed to cost)...The sponsorship scandal???
And for our beloved Newf's I hope you listen carefully to what the real issues are not what Danny W. has to say. (He's a conservative by the way)
Ron L
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John Baird, if you really wanted to do something about global climate change, you'd keep all that hot air and bluster to yourself.
Red X
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The point of the green shift is to get businesses and consumers to change behaviour so they won't waste as much energy.
The benefit is the income taxs savings of 1 to 1.5% whereas the major producers of carbon will pay into the program of which the funds will go towards services and energy efficiency.
al from calgary
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- every cent raised by these taxes goes back to the taxpayers
- no breaks for anyone, doesn't matter if your poor. a farmer. a trucker etc. you pollute you pay as the Liberals say
- too bad if some people can't afford the rise in cost as they will leave a greener planet for their kids and grandkids who will more than likely be living in tents as they won't be able to afford the costs of heating a home
- no more immigration as more people come into Canada the more our GHG goes up
My proposals are as dumb as the Green Shift as all it is,is a transfer of money as Mr Dion says those that pollute the most should pay the most. By the same token those who pay the most should get the most tax cuts...
PS there are also experts who say that global warming is a myth. It just depends on who you want to believe and I believe that it's a myth and just a sham to transfer money.
BillR
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We all agree that the amount of greenhouse gases we are emitting now is far too high. Cap and trade will not reduce current levels of greenhouse gas production. The NDP's plan and aspects of the Kyoto Accord are extremely flawed in this regard. Only plans that will result in the reduction in greenhouse gas emission will be of use. Cap says don't put out any more unless you make some agreement with another country or region. It does not say 'reduce emission'.
David Patte
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Bloc B
Conservative F+
Green A-
Liberal B+
NDP B
If you believe that the environment is an issue that must be adressed, vote anything but Conservative...
Whether you believe that taking action on global warming is important or not, reading the report would give you insight.
Raj
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Right now we have a premier that is working on carbon capture. We do not need another tax.
C02 is the devil
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I can't understand how people forget that the planet has been much warmer and much cooler before. What did that? Oh right, mr. sun....
I'm glad the sun plays no part in warming our planet, only C02.
james
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The "Green Shift" is nothing more than repackaged traditional Liberal tax and grab to direct money to selected special interest groups and advertising agencies in Quebec. Only a moron would believe there is any sincere intention by Dion to reduce taxes elsewhere as an off-set.
If Canadians are truly sincere about their environmental concerns then they will take the bus, reduce their waste, and take individual action to mitigate the impact on the environment without the need for a politician or "environmental group" to tell them what is right.
Political action should and must be directed at getting Canadians out of their cars, getting trucks off the roads, and begin electrifying the transportation systems like the Europeans did 50 years ago.
Too bad none of the parties are committed to using existing tax money to electrify the rail system, build high-speed trains between major urban centres, and spend on urban mass-transit. All of this would reduce the use of diesel, cars, and airplanes.
Such a party would have my vote.
A Different Davey Boy
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The problem with the argument that the increased tax will be passed on is that it discounts competition in business. If one company decides to just pass the taxes on in higher prices, it opens the door for another company that is more environmentally friendly (and hence pays less taxes) to provide the product/service for less. Consumers win... environment wins.
iphone u
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The Conservative plan has real action being done by the big polluters with carbon capture.
For every dollar taxed by the the libs, the consumer pays 4 dollars.
Dd
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That doesn't cut it.
Mary Ewen
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This is very interesting from a Minister representing a Government who has done nothing on the environment since they have been office.
My response to that is,what did the Libs do after having 13 entire yrs. to make a difference?
We watched GHG's rise by over 30% under their reign!
And Dion must think Canadians are really naive to believe any tax,would be Revenue neutral.
He could at least be honestand tell us that prices on everything will be affected and will hurt the middle class the most.
There are not even any targets set for GHG reductions under his scheme.
Davey boy
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John
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I don't really see what the problem is with the Green Shift plan. I'm on board with you. If I pollute I should pay. If I continue to support polluters by buying their products, I should pay and they should pay. If I reduce pollution I should be rewarded. Many Canadians many not embrace the Green Shift plan now, but we'll have a plan similiar to it whatever party is in power whether we agree or not. Such a plan will be essential in a few years and Canadians will have no choice but to live with it. Energy conscience companies is where the economic wealth will migrate. My investments are already moved to stocks in these companies and there are big bucks to be made while doing good for our envirnoment. I don't see where Green shift is going to do anything but help me and the envirnoment. If anyone reads the plan I don't really see how they could be against it. However, if you listen to the politicians for your opinions you'll go merrily along in ignorant bliss.
Trent
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Lee in Clagary
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Jonathan
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Marcel
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What happened to Canadians?
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That's like going to the doctor finding out you have a cancer, and you disagree with him!Hey.. he is just a doctor why believe him!?!?!
The experts have all said the Liberals plan is the best...end of story...I never realised how ignorant/dumb/selfish Canadians were until I started reading posts concerning this topic. Yeah, there is logic!
Rick in AB
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Two things need to happen to help the envronment.
1) Companies have to be forced to reduce greenhouse gasses. The company I work for is actually doing a lot to reach that goal, but could still do more. Until it hits their bottom line, they will not go all the way.
2)The forest is the earth's lungs and we, like a cancer are slowly cutting it to pieces. We need to preserve larger sections of forest and when we do log, the lumber companies should be forced to immediately and aggresively replant. Cutting should not be restarted for at least 40 to 50 years depending on growth rates.
Like I said, it takes a hit in the pocket book to get them to listen and since it will all trickle down to the consumer anyway, that in itself is a well defined user tax.
Brent
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Kingston Mom
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