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Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev, centre, and U.S. President George W. Bush, right, pose for a group photo at the G8 summit in in Toyako, Hokkaido, Japan, Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP / Presidential Press Service) Prime Minister Stephen Harper, left, Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev, centre, and U.S. President George W. Bush, right, pose for a group photo at the G8 summit in in Toyako, Hokkaido, Japan, Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP / Presidential Press Service) G8 leaders take shovels to plant trees commemorating the G8 summit prior to a group photo session in Toyako, northern Japan Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (AP / Presidential Press Service) G8 leaders pose for the official photo at the G8 summit in the lakeside resort of Toyako on Japan northern island of Hokkaido on Tuesday, July 8, 2008.(AP / Pablo Martinez Monsivais)  Prime Minister Stephen Harper shakes hands with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev for photographers before the G-8 working session in Hokkaido, Japan, on Tuesday, July 8, 2008. (Tom Hanson / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Critics: G8 climate goal needs firm base line

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CTV News: Graham Richardson details the G8 goals
With the second day of the G8 summit complete, the Group of Eight has endorsed an ambitious goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by the year 2050.
CTV Newsnet: John Kirton, from the G8 Research Group, rates this year's summit
A representative from a G8 Research Group that rates how productive the summits are discusses how Canada has lived up to its promises.
Canada AM: John Curtis, from the Centre for International Governance Innovation, discusses the G8 gains
A deal signed by both Russia and the United States which aims to cut emissions in half by 2050 has many optimistic.
Canada AM: Environment Minister John Baird discusses the expectations and progress from this year's G8 summit in Toyako, Japan
While hopes were low surrounding environmental progress going into this year's G8 summit, the second day has yielded an agreement, with big emitters like Russia and America signing on.

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Date: Tue. Jul. 8 2008 9:33 PM ET

G8 leaders have endorsed a goal of cutting greenhouse gas emissions in half by the year 2050, but critics say the declaration is meaningless because it appears to lack a firm base year.

The Group of Eight declaration was issued Tuesday, as Prime Minister Stephen Harper and the other leaders planted trees and posed for photographers in the Japanese resort village of Toyako.

Harper praised the declaration as a breakthrough from the 2007 G8 summit in Germany, when the United States and Russia would only agree to "seriously consider" such a plan.

"Russia and the United States have both agreed (to the declaration)," Harper said. "This is the first time either of those countries have conceded the necessity of having a long-term, mandatory goal for reduction."

But Marthinus van Schalkwyk, South Africa's minister of environmental affairs and tourism, said the declaration was useless without stronger targets.

"To be meaningful and credible, a long term goal must have a base year, it must be underpinned by ambitious midterm targets and actions," he said. "As it is expressed in the G8 statement, the long-term goal is an empty slogan."

It's unclear what base year G8 countries will use to measure their reductions. A Canadian official told The Canadian Press countries would be free to choose their own base level, while Reuters quoted Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda as saying it would be "current levels."

Whichever the case, Antonio Hill of Oxfam International denounced the announcement as a stalling tactic. "At this rate, by 2050 the world will be cooked and the G8 leaders will be long forgotten," he said.

The declaration calls on developing economies like China and India to cut emissions, which is seen as a diplomatic win for Canada and the U.S.

South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, India and China are to meet Wednesday with the G8 leaders to discuss climate change and other issues.

The five nations issued a statement Tuesday urging developed countries to set an interim target of at least a 25 per cent cut below 1990 levels by 2020.

A step forward?

Harper said Tuesday's declaration shows G8 countries are willing to work hard at long-term goals at reducing GHG emissions.

There is "a firm recognition of all countries that to make these objectives effective, even in the long term, we have got to have mandatory participation by all major economies, by all major emitters," he said.

The complex declaration holds that all major economies must sign on to a future plan to curb GHG emissions, but with different roles and responsibilities.

China and India, two of the biggest emerging economies, were excluded from having to make GHG cuts under the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.

But as their economies have grown, the emissions of the two Asian giants have risen significantly. China is now considered to be the world's biggest total GHG emitter, although its per-capita emissions are still about one-quarter of those in the U.S. and Canada.

The world is currently negotiating a successor treaty to Kyoto, which expires in 2012. Harper has previously said any new deal must include China, India and the U.S.

"What we want to see is an effective agreement that will help avoid dangerous climate change," Environment Minister John Baird told Canada AM from Japan. "If we want to fight climate change, we need all oars in the water."

The world will hold a major climate meeting in Copenhagen next year.

Canada's Conservative government has said it won't try to meet this country's Kyoto commitment of a six per cent cut below 1990 levels by 2012.

The Tories have blamed Liberal inaction, but they killed a 2005 Liberal plan that would have made Canada Kyoto-compliant -- albeit through buying emissions credits. The Tories fiercely opposed that approach.

The Conservative plan focuses on industrial emitters and sets a target of a 20 per cent cut below 2006 levels by 2020. Critics have said even if the Tory plan works, Canada wouldn't reach its Kyoto target until 2025.

Oil prices

The leaders have also called on oil-producing nations to increase production in an attempt to reverse the trend that has seen crude's price shoot up by nearly 50 per cent since January.

Analysts expect the trend to continue in the second half of this year.

Harper said Canada, which he has described as an emerging energy superpower, has expanded its supply of oil.

A call for cheaper oil, however, would appear to conflict with the goal of dramatically reducing GHG emissions over time.

"I think what we want to see is do what we can to increase the supply so that causes the price to go down," Baird said. "There's no doubt that with the emerging economies of China and India, we're going to see an increase in demand."

Baird noted that in terms of gasoline, Canada is short of refining capacity. New refineries planned for Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes will take years to come on stream.

Harper said G8 leaders also discussed ways to reduce demand and increase energy efficiency. They like the idea of Britain's Prime Minister Gordon Brown to establish an energy forum in which producing and consuming nations could discuss ways to prevent price surges in the future.

With a report by CTV's Graham Richardson and files from The Canadian Press

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Linda
said

The biggest teason nothing is getting done are extremists on both sides of the debate.
Those who think we should do nothing are unwilling to budge.And environmentalist are unable to be content with anything less than a complete shutdown of all fossil fuels.
Neither side has a chance of getting all it wants,so eternal the stalemate keeps us from accomplishing anything.


weezelle
said

How do we know that the Earth is SUPPOSED to have polar ice caps and that not having them is the norm? Maybe the Earth is just returning, very quickly, to how it was eons ago.......as the world changes, humans will evolve accordingly.


Kevin
said

PBW

I guess what I am saying is that we cannot 'afford' to not switch to alternative fuel currencies BOTH financially and environmentally for the future of our province as we now know it. We must push forward past this hurdle as we have done with other technologies in the past.


Kevin
said

PBW

"As for *Kevin* replying to Andrew, he obviously has no idea about living on the rural prairies - where, incidentally, Canada's bread comes from. It is all very well to go on and on about alternatives, but can the average rural dweller in Saskatchewan afford that? NO. Are city dwellers willing to pay the taxes so Andrew and other prairie dwellers can have their homes and vehicles use alternative fuels? NO!"

I grew up (18 years) in rural SASK. A town of 500 people that was agriculture based. My parents still live there and I now live in Saskatoon. I believe that I, and my parents can answer YES to both your questions and pose some other more pertinent ones. Can the average Saskatchewan (rural or urban) citizen afford $1.50 per litre for gas? $2.00 per litre for gas? How about gas rationing in 2050 (read about peak oil - that is only 40 years away)? Can they afford longer and more severe drought? Can they afford to import water or desalinate it when we run out of glacier water?

Clearly you are thinking short term PBW which is alright in terms of predicting your economic situation over the next 5 - 10 years but we have done so for so long that I think we need to think to the future in terms of which fuel currency we will use. Notice I did NOT say biofuels here or in my other post.

I am willing to pay higher taxes in the city so the province can switch to other fuel currencies such as hydrogen generated by solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, etc.

We need to rethink both rural and urban lifestyles and business being sure to prioritize farming for FOOD and not FUEL.


jr
said

Bravo for the G8!!! The longer we can draw this out the sooner the enviro idiots will give it up. Maybe they can try dusting off the ice-age argument from just a mere 15 years ago!!


Scientist
said

This is a waste of time and money.

HadCRUT3, UAH and RSS datasets are some of the official ones, which track the mean global temperature of the earth.

These datasets are openly available to the public online and free to use. Just Google them or check out the website, Watts Up With That.

Mean global temperature peaked in 1998, flatlined since 2001 and in the past year has decreased. Yet, atmospheric CO2 levels have increased.

It seems that at least for the most recent 11 years, increasing CO2 is not tracking with temperature. CO2 has not overwhelmed natural processes during this period.

I would encourage everyone to read the study published in the journal Nature by Keenlyside et al. on May 1, 2008. Manmade global warming has been halted until 2015 due to natural variations in the world's climate, which will offset any possible anthropogenic warming.

The Earth's climate is expected to cool for the next decade not warm.

AGW is a dead theory.


PBW
said

Am I the only one who reads this as being nothing more than politicians being politicians? Don't forget that a politician will say anything and do anything to be re-elected to feed once more at the public trough. What they say is irrelevant to them.

As for *Kevin* replying to Andrew, he obviously has no idea about living on the rural prairies - where, incidentally, Canada's bread comes from. It is all very well to go on and on about alternatives, but can the average rural dweller in Saskatchewan afford that? NO. Are city dwellers willing to pay the taxes so Andrew and other prairie dwellers can have their homes and vehicles use alternative fuels? NO!



Harper must go
said

The whole announcement is meaningless.
The odds are none that made the announcement will be alive when 2050 arrives and definitely none will be in a position of responsibility. All it is, is feel good words from Harper and Bush and the words are worth the same as most politicians promises.


Jamie G.
said

July 8/2008 - Black Tuesday
MRM - are you kidding me??? 2050? I guess by then we can grow wheat crops in Greenland - we'll need to since such a vast percentage of the planet will be under water. this could have been Green Tuesday - but those green hopes have turned very black.
This isn't just meaningless - it's a slap in the face to the millions of people worldwide who the G8 have just given a raspberry to. they're not listening and have basically said: "we're not listening, we don't care - we're in power you're not - good luck."
This may just prove to be one of the blackest days in history.


Wade
said

The Canadian Press Harris-Decima Poll shows Canada wants aggressive action on Climate Change,

The Canadian Press seems to have the least credible polls or all the other ones are wrong.

A poll in BC showed 85% of BC doesn't like the 10 cent gas hike that was suppose to be 2 cents.


Nancy - Montreal - Big Scam
said

A few parts per billion of Carbon targets
by even the most agressive idealists are not credible as effecting global warming.

The more I learn about Global warming the bigger sckeptic I am, the whole this is a bigger fraud than Santa Claus and if enough socialist politicians say it true our ignorant masses beleive it.


TVic
said

Yo Harper,you can fool most of the people some of the time but you didn't fool me on this one. This is just another communications spin about the U.S. and Russia rather than pushing for cold hard, measurable, verifiable reductions!!
Your legacy will be 'all talk and no action' just like the politicians that preceded you.
Don't count on my vote for the next election. You are no better than the people that preceded you!!


Gary
said

Ha ha ha ha ha! No kidding this is an empty slogan!

The best part is Harper's proud of this!
What a buffoon! Then again, of course he's proud. He got another delay in action. Just what he wanted. A field mouse has more courage.


Wise Wajid
said

G* - what a bunch of phonies. Canada shouldn't even be there - we're just a little fish. China, India and Brazil should be part of this team. Why aren't they at the table. And South Africa. Canada is there to balance out the over-abundance of European countries; Italy shouldn't be part of the G8 either. Like Canada, it's not a global power. Let the Big Boys in and maybe then there'll be some changes - oh that's right - George doesn't want to play by the rules. That's why the new Boys on the Block aren't allowed a membership!!!


Alex
said

It's so frustrating to see so much time and resources go into combating "man-made global warming" when it doesn't even exist. I care deeply about the environment, but the fact is, there is no such thing as man-made global warming. For hundreds of thousands of years our planet has been warming and cooling, and it has consistently been associated with the creation and disappearance of sunspots. In the last century greenhouse gas emissions have steadily rose, but there have been periods of about five years when the Earth cooled. In those short periods, guess what? Sunspots disappeared! For the rest of the century, sunspots were steadily being created.

The scientific evidence is there, people. There's nothing to worry about. Let's start worrying about real issues.


Ben Hendrix
said

im happy our government cancelled the liberal plan. what a cheapskate way of making targets, buying the success of countries who have gone above and beyond their duty while we had been doing nothing. while the conservatives need to step up the speed at which we cut emissions at least they are actually trying to cut the countries emissions, rather than using our surpluses in taxation to buy the success of countries like Germany, Russia, England and others.



GW
said

The Global Warming zealots have to realize that even if their doomsday scenario comes true, these democratically elected officials can only do what the majority of people want them to do and the majority of the voting public will not buy into any drastic changes that will worsen our already faltering economy.

The voting public is interested mostly in the short term goals and until Climate Change actually starts adversely affecting them, noting drastic will change.



Al from Calgary
said

To Wake Up Call:
Great post, unfortunately you will now be labeled a denier, but what the heck its all the right wing zealots and enviromental zealots who are in denial and have no concrete ideas. If Harper and Bush were to announce that they will cut out all emmissions they would be screaming that its impossible and the economy would suffer and we shouldn't do it. Its more about anti Bush and anti Harper with these people than it is about the climate and it doesn't matter what they do they will never be happy and still whine.


bert
said

DD,,get back on your medication..You envir wacko,s are trying to destroy us all.Great job by PM Harper as usual. BELOW IS AN article taken from a UK newspaper...Shows us what the world thinks about PM HARPER and something you wont see our reporters printing because they are so Liberal biased.












Of all the leaders, only Stephen Harper - the talented but curiously neglected Canadian prime minister - is able to point to a popular and successful record in office.

Some will regard it as alarming that, in current times, world leadership should rest with Canada. But the Canadian Tories are a model of how to behave during a downturn.

They have kept spending in check and reduced taxes. They are playing their full role in world affairs, notably in Afghanistan.

Rather than canting about saving the world (Mr Harper, in his quiet and courteous way, is a Kyoto-sceptic) they have addressed themselves to curing remediable ills and, above all, to putting their own affairs in order.

If the rest of the world had comported itself with similar modesty and prudence, we might not be in this mess.

AGAIN great job PM Harper



Roadrobber
said

With the every increasing cost of heating my home with natural gas, I've had a wood burning stove installed to supplement my heating costs. I know of others who've done this as well. Say what you want about the human race, but we are adaptable indeed. Go to hell global warming.


AK in Wpg
said

I think it is clear that the G8, UN or any other group of world leaders will never be able to solve this problem. As long as any 1 'large emitter' isn't willing to play, everyone else takes their glove and goes home. A promise for 42 years in the future is meaningless. In all likelihood there will be many changes of governments and political boundaries as well as distribution of wealth and power in that time that will make this LOOOONG term plan look even more foolish than it is now. If the leaders don't believe there is a problem that needs action, then they should JUST SAY THAT! I'd have more respect for that than this attempt at appeasing the 'stupid masses'.
I don't care who is in power, the Libs, Cons, Green or NDP. If we believe there is a problem to solve, then we elected you to solve it. If you don't believe there is a problem to solve then tell us that so that we can either move on to other issues or elect someone else.


Dave
said

What an unbelievable load of garbage. Harper continues to make empty promises and people keep swallowing it up just like the rest of his lies. I'm just SO glad to hear that these countries will "seriously consider" doing something to save this planet. When 80% of the world's population is wiped out, maybe we can give these jokers a posthumous Nobel Prize for saving the rich oil companies.


Pathetic
said

Environmental protection and oil men don't mix.

Harper and Bush don't care about the environment. They care about oil, war, oh - and of course, heartwarming Christian family values.

North America (and for that matter, the world) is screwed until these right wingers are booted out of power...

Yo Harper - you SUCK.


Adrian E
said

I agree with Stephen Harper's stance that it is futile to commit to any environmental agreement if China and India are not bound by its terms. GHG levels would still double every period if Canada completely eliminated its emissions. How much of the burden do we have to bear? How many jobs will be lost before the environmental lobby is satisfied? As for energy sources, the main three in Ontario are nuclear, hydroelectric, and fossil. Fossil cannot be substituted by wind, solar, or geothermal, as these produce negligible amounts of electricity. Only the addition of more nuclear reactors can this load be accomodated.


RWD
said

If establishing a forum to prevent price surges in oil, is the best idea these eight stooges can come up with, regarding climate change, then the Planet is in very deep trouble.
Most, if not all of them will we feeding the worms in 2050.
On a lighter note, a pool party will he held sometime in August in the vicinity of the north pole.Bring along your family and friends.


Rocket
said

Yet more words without action. How many people will be still around in 52 years to hold them accountable? Likely not too many of the ones who came up with it. I'll be 86 and twice as bitter and cynical as I am now.


Wake Up Call
said

I don't care what any of the Liberals or Environmentalists on this forum have to say, this absolutely is progress.
The pretentious attitudes of Liberals and Environmentalists in relation to Developed versus Developing or Emerging Economies is ridiculous. If these buffoons truly want a reduction in CO2 and other Carbon related Greenhouse Gasses, then ignoring China, India, Brazil, Mexico and South Africa's emissions is ludicrous. Canada's percentage of emissions has been declining for the last decade as China and India alone have had yearly increases that together are higher than Canada's entire output. None of these Developing and Emerging Countries have the Cold Climate issues Canada does, nor are they significant energy exporters.
Having Canada and the EU convincing the USA and Russia to sign on is no small feat either, as they are both energy producers and have large industries as well. Russia also has similar climate and population distributions as Canada.
It may be lost on Liberals and Environmentalists, that shutting down Canada's Fossil Fuel Industries would destroy the entire Canadian economy. They are also showing their diminutive intellect in thinking that Factories, Transportation and Commuters have alternate sources of energy that could replace Petroleum and allow Carbon Free emissions at costs that would allow any Manufacturing to remain in Canada.
There is a term I use for a Liberal Economists, it is Marxists. I don't think there is a term that can be used for an Environmental Economist other than Misguided Idealist. Reality seems to be wasted on both of these types of faux Economists.
Independent economists have resoundingly declared that all Major Polluters must be involved in any emission reduction talks and that Climatic Conditions and Energy Production must be factored into the equation determining how much emissions should be cut, not the GDP of the Country or Economic Status alone.
Turning Canada into an Economic waste land will not improve the Economic status of developing Countries. Another policaly sensitive factor that is supported by most Independent Economists is that the world population either has exceeded or will soon exceed the ability of our planet to provide all the heat, shelter, food and waste produced to support it.
In some regions of Canada it is Possible to survive without a car, central heating or electricity but for most of the country that is not possible with our current population density.


billg
said

How I wish for the good old days when Canada signed environmental accords that they knew they couldnt reach or accomplish..and the left would rejoice. Everyone seemed happier. I think Mr Harper should have forced the US and Russia to sign on, then, claimed a huge victory for the world, then, get back to Canada and ignore it...hey, it got Chretien 13 years! Da proof is da proof!


Martin
said

The per capita rationalization to describe emissions is totally misleading. Estimates of China's CO2 output( by PBL in the Netherlands) now puts them at 6200 million tons(Canada 600 million tons) China's output since 2000 has increased more than 4 times the total reductions called for in Kyoto. Canada could shut down and eliminate every gram of CO2 emisssions and within 2 to 3 years China and India's increased output will have negated any reductions made by Canada. Instead of meaningless symbolic gestures and threatening the economy, go slow, develop technology and do something to mitigate the effects of our changing climate. The argument that China and India are poor and therefore should exempt from targets is foolish and exposes the myth of Kyoto. By not demanding immediate reductions by China, who last year was responsible for two thirds of the yearly global increase of CO2 emissions, by Kyoto cultists shows wealth transfer not climate is their main concern.


David fm NS
said

PM Harper and others who insist that China, India and the USA sign on to any deal are right on the money. We only have 1 atmosphere, if these countries don't play, anything the rest of us do will be meaningless. Finding a middle ground that will get everyone onboard will be much more effective than the Kyoto wealth re-distribution plan.


MRC
said

Has anyone ever seen the George Carlin sketch, "Planet is Fine"? It's 16yr old. You can easily find it on YouTube. Watch it, it's timeless.


Doug
said

It's impossible to believe ANY plan that does not include the biggest polluters has any chance to actually reduce global GHG levels.Even the pro Kyoto posts can't show how that statement is incorrect.
While most of us agree this is an issue that must be dealt with,I don't see any consensus on HOW to deal with it any time soon.
Any fool can point to a problem.What the world is short of is people with solutions.I see very few REAL ideas to replace fossil fuels "right now".These changes will be an evolution,rather than a revolution.
Sadly,if,as is expected,the global poulation reaches 9 billion by 2050,even if global GHG's are no longer an issue,we'll be starving and fighting over the last of a lot of other resources.
Real reductions by all is a plan.Paying in lieu of real reductions is not an option.Unless we impose massive import duties on products from countries that don't make real reductions.


ICE CORES
said

TO DD

Exactly WHERE are you getting your CO2 data for the last million years. If it is from ice cores, then you are being saddly misinformed. If you had not noticed the polar ice is melting during this current period of warming and the ice record for this particular period of natural warming will be lost forever just like it has been for ALL the previous warming periods. In geological terms it's called a depositional unconformity and it is not recognizable in any ice cores because of the melting. Any one that tells you that ice cores can be used to determine past CO2 concentrations is full of crap and should be charged with misleading the public. The second crime here is selective sampling of present CO2 levels in the middle of the pacific supposedly away from all human influence. Did someone forget to mention that the warm Pacific in the center of the ring of fire is the single greatest natural source of CO2 in the world. I think it is time for ALL you fanatics to get your facts straight and start thinking for your selves instead of jumping on every band wagon out there. The case for CO2 actually causing global warming is so full of holes it is pathetic.


Paul C.
said

All of these comments are typical of Canadians. If you are so concerned about the environment then what are you doing about it. Do you drive a car? Do you use a dishwasher? Do you use a washing machine? Do you create waste? Let me see, most likely. If any of you environmentalists had any real idea and real solid facts that the world is changing due to C02 emissions I may be listening, but right now you all speak in opinion which means nothing!


Roger T
said

The G8 event itself is causing more pollutions than the everyday millions of lives of ordinary people. The cost involved, food preparations,flight, securities,protestors...etc.

All this amounts to bigger problems itself than helping anyone or any cause!

It's more like a vacation with Hollywood scripts and fake smile for the public.


DWB
said

As long as we get the harmless compound CO2 in our beer, who cares?
Targets are irrelevant since the political posturing by all politicians is over a non-existent problem created by followers of the new secular religion called environmentalism.


kate
said

This is not a breakthrough, it's a joke. 2050 will be too late, we are at the tipping point now and need to act. By 2050 millions will have died and we'll be killing each other for a bottle of water. Greed, greed, greed - no one wants to sacrifice for our children's future. The G8 has just guaranteed that they have no future. This G8 summit has proved the world is run by idiots - rich, white idiots I might add and the ignorant sheep that follow them will do as they say because they're too stupid to see past their own pocketbooks.


glen gaffney
said

This is an exercise in futility, whatever is decided. Greenhouse gases are well past the tipping point. We are at the point where it will make no difference what we do. to little to late again. how did we arrive at this point stupidity,greed and personal selfishness.


Max
said

Thank goodness! The world is saved!

When China and India commit to capping and reducing their carbon emissions, THEN we'll have something to celebrate.

At least this portion of the G8 Summit is serving to educate folks about the fact that without China and India reducing their carbon footprints, the "issue" will never be dealt with.

So far, environuts and left-wing politicos have been frantic to convince the rest of us that we can save the world by using different light bulbs and driving hybrids...which is amusing foolishness.

At least now the truth is working its way around, and the "issue" can be addressed with intelligence.



Fear is a killer
said

Next winter when you are in waist deep snow trying to push your frozen car let me know what you think about the world ending in 50 years because it's getting too hot...The climate changes, it always has and it will always do. Right now we have been in a solar minimum for the past 2 years. The oceans are cooling down. In turn the jet streams (Winds) are bringing colder air.

The IPCC (The prime pushers of GW) resently put global warming on "hold" for the next 10~15 years: How arrogant!...How can a "man made disaster" suddently stop being constant without said culprit doing anything different, in fact accelerating the emissions of C02?

Our world leaders are starting to wake up to this sham and are reacting with less alarmism: THAT'S ALL.

Grow up people and put some courage in your guts. Your forefathers would be ashamed of how cowardly and defeatist you have become. The poor little kids being exposed to all this negativity is so depressing not to mention immoral. What a death cult we have become!


lisa pryce
said

It seems that the globe IS warming, (and cooling.)

The sun is having a growth spurt like no one (alive) has seen before.

The whole concept that we (human's) are affecting the 'warming' to the 'degree,' that some would have us believe, is over the top. An 11 year old could work that out...

What we should be focussing on is how to deal with it, NOT how to 'stop' it. When will be get that we are not bigger than Nature?

For example, it is obvious that we need to consider mass migration as a probable strategy.


NM
said

To say that we should not bother cutting emissions because India and China will not is irrsponsible.

What happen to the days where Canada set an example for other nations???? I used to be proud to be part of that country. Now I am ashamed that we are one of the nations making the world a worse place to live.


Nik
said

Wow. What a dud.


M. Bernadette
said

This is a great progress! Something that the Liberals didn't accomplish in 13 years they where in power. The only thing they did was talk. Now we have a government that gets things done. I'm proud of you Mr. Harper! Keep up the good work & let the oppositions just talk because that is the only thing they know how to do.


Jan Visser
said

To Steve:
That is what the Liberals did. And now we are in a mess.


Zircon
said

I'm irate!

The single largest greenhouse gas by volume and percent in our atmosphere is water vapour. And one of the largest factors in cloud formation are cosmic rays. I DEMAND that the G8 do something now, about these things before it's too late for our children and all hunanity!

Down with water! Down with cosmic rays! Stephane Dion save us and impose an H2O/Stellar radiation credit!!!!!


Frank Smith
said

The G8 is completely useless, they have no power or influence anymore. TG8 meetings are all a big show, where the leaders go on vacation and pretend they actualy care about issues being played out in the media.


Ashamed Canadian
said

Passed the responsiblities to the next generation is all what this is about. Non of these leaders of G8 nations are going to live in 42 years from now.

42 years is awfully long and why not now?

42 YEARS? I am going to be 65 year old by that time.

I'm so ashamed of Canada and USA right now.

I am not proud and I don't know if I want to bring my child into this world where I know they will suffer?

Take action now people and your bloodline will live on as planet live on.




Raj
said

Major break through! well done Harper!


Hank.B
said

I can't understand the histeria regarding this climate change rhetoric.

Canada is responsible for only 2% of global emissions.

Why don't we shut down our economy and save the 2%?

If the world is going to end , it's going to end.

Canada is not a power player on the world stage and never has been.

This whole climate change issue is nothing more than left wing Canadians trying to pretend we are actually a player in the world.

Canada could die off tomorrow and the world will still be spewing 98% emissions.

Grow up, live for now, don't worry about things Canadians can't control.

We are irrelevant.


Kevin
said

To Andrew
"The challenge I have for any one out there is to give me a alternative to carbon. What alternative is there that is affordable, and viable?"

There are MANY alternatives which do NOT generate CO2 and we need to use all of them - wind, solar, geothermal, hydro, nuclear. These are all viable (they do have their pros and cons) and as to their affordability one must look at things economically over many decades. Our current fuel currency is rapidly becoming unaffordable and nonviable.

In terms of fuel currencies, we need to start using hydrogen (emits only water via a fuel cell) and switch away from fossil fuels in order to solve our transportation needs.


reece
said

...and fun was had by all...

What more could anybody expect by sending neo-cons to some junket...they pushed the snooze button on critical enviornmental issues. But really, even while they showed us and uninspiring side; with China and India thumbing their noses at the envioronment, there isn't much anyone can do but press the snooze button. I'm not even going to recycle anymore because what we do here will have zero impact globally. I saw the north polar caps recently - it was blackened! It's us vs 2 billion people...it's game over.


Sonny
said

So they are simply going to defer for another year until a UN meeting in Denmark to set real targets.

The G8 countries have the technology to reduce their emmissions today. Their cities are designed for cars, especially North America. Living arrangements need to change.

In CANADA, the tax on almost everything is the GST. It was introduced by the Conservatives...


Willie
said

who cares about the environment..? (no one) FACT!

if China and India are not brought into the fray then any reduction we have (Canada or anyone else for that matter) will make NO difference among the world.
CO2 doesn't stop at international borders.

and the earth is just warming, we just came out of a friggin Ice Age, what do ya expect?


Lillian
said

I would love to see some of you people who are so "Gung Ho" for drastic reductions in GHGs and carbon taxes implemented, if these measures were put in place. The whining and vile comments from you when you have no job, can't afford to heat your home, and can't afford to go to the grocery store would probably surpass your idiotic daily comments on these message boards now. Try to grow up and overcome your hatred of the current PM who is showing himself to be a leader. With previous federal governments, these summits and conferences have produced lovely sounding sound bites which the left wing media love to get in at the top of every news cast but they produced no tangible results. Kyoto ended up being just one of our furry friends. It seems that all Liberal governments have to do is talk about what should be done and make promises but in the end after 13 years in power did nothing!


Yo... Bush!!
said

The political boyz and gurlz are just getting together for a group hug telling the world they will address the politics of carbon dioxide emissions vs air pollution abatement initiatives. are we to take anything away from this meeting? NOPE, just another NWO photo op.






Al from Calgary
said

To Peter:
Yes the reporters ask hard questions which they have of Mr Dion and his GST2 tax, and he was vague and evassive on the answers to his own platform, and the cons are scared of hard questions


Jim F
said

James and anyone else thinking the Green Party is in for a major breakthrough in the next election is dreaming.

Despite double digit polling numbers in between elections when people will say anything, when actual elections occur, they have never come close to winning a seat anywhere.

My rule of thumb when I read polls is that if I see the Green Party in double digits, it's a throwaway irrelevant poll.


GaryinWpg
said

Wow DD 30 billion tons of CO2 eh?

Umm, let us see something here.

There's just over one million tons of CO2 over one square mile.

Earth's surface area (land and water) is about 196 million square miles. Which means there is around 196 million tons of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Considering CO2 only makes up some .035% of the earths atmosphere, you are basically saying mankind is spewing out some 153 times as much CO2 than there is naturally? Mankind is raising CO2 levels to 5%?

Wow considering water vapour can be up to 4% (ever notice how hot it is on a humid day?) of the earth's atmosphere somehow there is a stretch somewhere....

Oh, a square inch of atmosphere is 14.7 pounds....


Al from Calgary
said

To all you the world is ending doom and gloomers. Its amazing that you all support Dions GST2 tax yet he does not tax gas and has no targets or any idea how much this GST2 tax would or it it would cut any taxes. If this global warming hoax was true the world is going to end by 2050 so why should we live in poverty till it happens and shift our money to other countries we may as well be like that old song Don't Worry be Happy because if all the other countries cut their ghg to ZERO it wouldn't make any difference without the big emmitters on board. If all the doom and gloomers want to do something useful then go to China and India and protest over there and spare us your world is ending gloom, warming has nothing to do with pollution and the world will adapt as it always has.


MartinofNS
said

Anything Canada does with regards to climate change is completely futile unless the United States, India, and China are on board! Even if we cut our GHG emmissions to zero today, we'll still have our smog days and the temperatures will keep on increasing due to our neighbours to the south, China and India.

Sure Canada can set an example, but to what cost of our economy? Which is hanging in the balance right now.

I am happy with what the conservative government is doing, they are not denying there is a problem with global warming but also realize that Canada is a drop in the bucket when it comes to total GHG emissions.


Peter
said

What a joke!! Baird praising his PM for a great job of taking a big step forward. How stupid does the PM think we are?? Not that stupid. This is all a smoke and mirrors plot and the government is going run with this accomplishment for a few months. No wonder the PMO does not like the media, they ask the hard questions that require truthful answers and that is not possible for the cons to answer.


Allan Eizinas
said

Great!

This new agreement might cut greenhouse gases by 2050 when Stephen Harper is 91 years old.

What a breakthrough !?!


Phil
said

This is no breakthrough, this is a giant step backward and a colossal success for "Big OIl". No meaningful reductions for 42 years and a request that OPEC increase production. Hardly a recipe for success unless you are a Bush or Harper. They will be long gone before there are any ramifications to their support base.


Steve
said

In theory a great idea but in practice essentially meaningless. Anyone can make a promise that only their children and grandchildren have to live up to.


MB
said

Ya, totally political.

Proof is in the pudding.

What will we have left by 2050?


steve I. C.
said

The only break through is the G8 leaders seem to have all agreed that the environment is an issue... however the jury is still out on Bush and Harper.


Mike Webster
said

Garry in NS is right on the money....there is no point in having G8 countries cut anything while China and India continue to increase their GHG output. If Canada was to eliminate 100% of our GHG emmissions, that miniscule drop would be replaced in no time at all by increased emmissions from China and India. The fact that China is currently building some 450 coal fired power plants indicates that any moves to curb GHG emmissions by the G8 would be futile and would simply destroy our economy for the sake of economic growth in China. Thank God we have a leader like Stephen Harper who will stand up for us and make these decisions with our best interests in mind rather than blidnlty adhering to the global warming orthodoxy.


Dean
said

So this group has agreed to set a goal to cut GHG by 50%. so what! Where is the substance? How will this happen? Which country(s) are prepared to sacrifice the most? Is China or India interested in this? It is pointless without them on board. There shouldn't be any "credit trading" either. What about birth control? Less people means less GHG by default because fewer cars, animals, factories etc. are needed. How about actually planning cities and the like around mass transit or bike routes? This is all just smoke and mirrors for political gain only.


James
said

Wow.... most of those leaders will be dead and long gone by the time 2050 rolls around. Thanks for inaction and sitting by idoly as the world and all humanity goes down the toilet. The green party is looking better and better every second


Andrew
said

The challenge I have for any one out there is to give me a alternative to carbon. I live in a rural saskatchewan vilage with the closest emrgency care 75 km away, school is 20km, nearest major commercial center 200 km. I live in a 700sq foot home and heat my house using natural gas and coal generated electricity. What alternative is there that is affordable, and viable?


Paul
said

They are not taking this urgent enough to realize what is happening to our environment.

I really wonder IF the world will even reach 2050 given the polutants and GHG's


Mario
said

Hey James,

I gues by your comments you also steadfastly believe that the world is flat and that the St.Lawrence leads to China.

Also, economic prosperity is nothing if we are all dead. Tough decisions have to be made in tough times. Do you think that cod fishermen were happy with the moratorium?




Earl Robert
said

Once again Stephen Harper provided the leadership required to get the job done just like they promised. A good first step. China, India and the USA are the important countries so let's encourage them to reduce their CO2 emissions. Canada is leading the way thanks to Mr.Harper and Mr. Baird. The glass is half full not half empty.



Geoff Bickerton
said

Why not a reduction of 90% by the year 9000? It is so wonderful seeing politicians passing the responsibility for action onto their children.


DD
said

James T...you obviously have been dipping deep into the energy sector's propaganda. THIS IS NOT A NATURAL WARMING CYCLE.

If it were, we'd already be cooling down. We're not. CO2 ranges from 180ppm (ice age) to 300ppm (peak warming) in the "natural" cycle. That has been PROVEN the case for the last million years (and likely extended by tens of millions before that).

We are CURRENTLY at 387 ppm and increasing at almost 3ppm PER YEAR and accelerating. FACT.

In a NATURAL cycle, it would take a thousand years to increase the CO2 by 30 ppm. FACT.

We've done that in less than 20 years. FACT.

In the 70s, when we approached the 300 ppm level, scientists thought we would naturally tip over into the cooling part of the cycle. It didn't happen because mankind is spewing 30 BILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere PER YEAR. (By comparison, volancos emit only up to 200 MILLION tons). Make no mistake, we ARE changing the planet.

And to those that think mankind can't change the environment...take a peek back a couple decades...when the use of CFCs damaged the Ozone.

We can adversely affect the environment. The facts are out there...for those that WANT to see them.

Educate yourselves!! The world that your children live in is at stake!!

And Baird's ability to convince the G8 to put off massive change for FORTY years is not a victory. It's shameful. He has passed the buck to the next generation. Shameful.


JPF
said

This is a meaningless declaration. This issue must be addressed now. 2050 will be to late. This is nothing but these leaders attempting to placate us knowing none of them will be alive to held accountable.


Kevin P.
said

The fact that the U.S., Russia, China and India are now acknowledging the need to be more environmentally responsible is excellent news. These 4 countries represent the vast majority of GHG and other pollutants in the world, and without them, the rest of the planet could go 100% pollutant free and there would be little effect on the climate, our childrens lungs etc...This is a phenomenal step forward in preparation for the next 2012 world agreements.
The world is a big ship to steer with 150 leaders trying to decide the direction. Nothing happens over night, so this is promising!


A. Conda
said

I welcome any serious endeavour in this regard but can't help but think the purpose of the meeting is to confirm that they will meet again and continue discussions. This they knew before leaving home. What is the action plan? John Baird should stay out of harm's way and move to yet another portfolio where his temperment is better suited. Now where could that be?


Boring
said

Ho Hum, Business as usual.


Northerner
said

This is a good step forward. The truth will be known later. It is good to read the desire of these countries to stop the train of climate change before it is too late. Now we all know that this will never be enough to satisfy the critics. Their answer to GHG is to push everyone off the moving train and declare themselves as the saviour of mankind. It is arrogance on the part of these critics to state their biased opinions as the absolute truth. Their voice will never count as long as they persist in disagreeing with everyone outside their camp of thought. I'm pleased to read that other non-complying countries have shown movement to board the train of GHG behavioural change. reductions.


Garry in NS
said

This is good first step but, unless countries like China and India also reduce their CO2, the whole exercise is meanigless.


ET
said

This isn't progress...it's pathetic, as usual. Maybe something will actually get accomplished at one of these G8 meetings after we get rid of that guy from Texas and that guy from Oilberta! Pathetic! Come hold one of those meetings here, around London Ontario so I can protest...PLEASE!!!


Davis
said

Well...this is progress. Lets collectively agree to tune out the left and right wing extremists and leave at that for now. Let's continue to encourage our leaders along this course and acknowledge their efforts (albeit painfully slow) and the immense and multiple barriers they're trying to manouvre through. In other words, let's be realistic! Perhaps even optimistic as well for a change......


James T.
said

The Enemies of Humanity have won this battle. By scaring people into mindless obedience with their Global Hoaxing agenda, the so-called green party and those in league with them have guaranteed the destruction of our econonomy, and maybe even our species. To bankrupt civilization to try and counter effect the natural heating and cooling cycle of the Earth is madness, AND a crime against Humanity. We must rise up against those who would see our kids starve so that bugs and algae can be happy!


James
said

What a waste of time and energy for these 7 men and 1 woman to have these meanlessness meetings. In actual fact, why not simply have a conference call and fax agreements to one another to sign. It sure would save a little bit on the carbon footprint. These people have no idea what they are doing and no regard for the majority of the population of the planet. This is all about ensuring big business can continue, uninterrupted, raping the planet and poisioning the people. "Yo Harper.." Does that sound like somebody you need to take seriously? What a waste and a joke!


MRM
said

This a major breakthrough. That fact that there is no baseline is a red herring. This cannot be determined until the next round of climate change talks. What it does mean though is that the G8 and presumably the EU will all attend those talks with a meaningful and united objective.

Bravo to the PM for his ethical and determined approach to this important issue!


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