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Date: Fri. Apr. 25 2008 8:48 PM ET
The Supreme Court of Canada ruled Friday that police cannot use random dog searches to find drugs at schools or in public places, with the exception of airports.
The Court ruled 6-3 that the random searches were a violation of section 8 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which protects Canadians from unlawful search and seizure of their property.
The ruling stemmed from two cases involving evidence seized as a result of sniffer dogs.
In both cases, police did not have reasonable grounds to conduct the searches, the Court said.
"This is one of those cases where the court kind of steered a middle ground between requiring a judge to approve the use of dogs or no regulation at all," Frank Addario, president of the Criminal Lawyers' Association, told CTV Newsnet.
"They said... if the police have a reasonable suspicion that there's criminal activity taking place, they're permitted to use these dogs.
"Otherwise, it's too intrusive and too exceptional to authorize on a random basis."
Background of the cases
In one of the cases, police visited St. Patrick's High School in Sarnia, Ont., in November 2002 at the invitation of school officials.
While police and their dogs searched the school, students were confined to their classrooms. During the sweep, a dog led police to a backpack in the gym that contained marijuana and magic mushrooms.
The student who owned the backpack was charged with possession of marijuana and psilocybin for the purpose of trafficking. He challenged the admissibility of the evidence on the grounds that his Charter rights were violated.
The drugs were excluded and the charges dismissed. A Court of Appeal ruling upheld that decision.
In the Supreme Court ruling regarding the Sarnia case, Justice Louis LeBel wrote:
"The subject matter of the sniff is not public air space. It is the concealed contents of the backpack. As with briefcases, purses and suitcases, backpacks are the repository of much that is personal, particularly for people who lead itinerant lifestyles during the day as in the case of students and travellers.
Teenagers may have little expectation of privacy from the searching eyes and fingers of their parents, but they expect the contents of their backpacks not to be open to the random and speculative scrutiny of the police...By use of the dog, the policeman could 'see' through the concealing fabric of the backpack."
"The dog-sniff search was unreasonably undertaken because there was no proper justification. The youth court judge found that the police lacked any grounds for reasonable suspicion and the Crown has shown no error in the youth court judge's finding of fact."
In the second case, police and their sniffer dogs were patrolling a Greyhound bus station in Calgary in 2002 as part of an initiative to patrol travel ports looking for drugs, bombs and other contraband.
Police approached a man and, while conversing with him, a sniffer dog indicated the presence of drugs. That search turned up cocaine and heroin in the man's bag. He was charged with possession of cocaine for the purposes of trafficking, as well as possession of heroin.
In this case, the courts found that Gurmakh Kang-Brown could not have had an expectation of privacy because of the odours of the drugs emanating from his bag and into the air.
However, the Supreme Court ruled that the sniffer-dog search of Kang-Brown's bag violated his Charter rights.
"The sniff in this case was an unreasonable search since the RCMP officer did not have grounds for reasonable suspicion at the time the dog was called," Justice Ian Binnie wrote.
Implications of ruling
The implications of the findings are expected to be far-reaching.
It is now unlikely that schools can invite police in to conduct random searches of lockers and backpacks, unless there is a strong suspicion that students are carrying drugs.
Paul Wubben, director of education for the St. Clair Catholic District School Board, told The Canadian Press prior to the ruling that allowing sniffer dogs into schools can be an important tool for ensuring student safety.
"Parents send their children to school with the underlying assumption that school is a safe place," Wubben said.
"And having a drug-free environment certainly lends itself to being a safe place."
Addario, who was involved with Friday's ruling, said the decision will also stop police from walking into a shopping mall with a drug dog and approaching people without reasonable cause.
"(The SCC told police) you're free to go ahead if you have a reasonable suspicion but when the case gets to court we're going to examine your grounds and they better be reasonable or we're not going to let you do it," said Addario.
The ruling does not apply to airports as a special federal law protects the use of drug-sniffing dogs at such facilities.
"We thought that airports should be off the table for this appeal," said Addario.
"When you're dealing with explosive devices at airports it's a completely different set of factors."
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Hugh
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Clay
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JT
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Let's be realistic here, illegal searches against people for no just reason are wrong. However, protection of society which includes our children at school is also paramount for everyone to enjoy their own freedom. Stop tying the hands of police again, again and again. The only people who should be happy to see this ruling are the drug dealers themselves.
Susann Blazett
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Shawn
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I live in Sarnia and was not out of high school long after this happened. It appalls me to think that I have to be subjected to drugs and the criminal element and that I have no protection and when my kids go to school they will have no protection from this garbage.
But I can understand the privacy issue for a search on a private backpack, so have the police get a warrant when they get a hit by the dog.
Nothing good will come from this. Get ready to have our communities inundated with drugs.
Marc
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dale worsfold
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Layton in Moncton
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And god forbid if the cops can't use a dog to search bags without consent, warrant or even grounds. Say if you have nothing to hide you mind me going through your purse. "Those who are willing to trade their freedoms for security will soon find they have neither" Ben Franklin
Embarrassed to be a Canadian
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Susan
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M. Cameron
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perspective
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For example, lets pretend that the police could use the dogs, and yeah, they get a kid for having pot...good job right...no. What about the hundred other searches it took to find that one bad guy, how about those peoples rights.
Hey lady surender your purse now. What LEGALL items do you have in there you may not want exposed, hmm?
Why would the police and dog approach you in the first place. Could it be because the way you looked to the officer. Hmmm looks like grounds to racialy profile.
I like my freedoms!!
I will never give them up.
Lili
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Yes you certainly do ... you also have the right to be protected by the laws that govern our country and the people that are placed in these positions to do so.
Police officers and squad teams don't just randomly show up at your home while you're at work and begin going through your personal belongings. I am almost certain that in our city ... they have more pressing concerns than going through your underwear drawer.
However ... if your home is seaping with condensation and it smells like some strange crop (not basil)could be growing in the basement ... well there may be some just cause.
People need to start giving more credit to the people that are trying hopelessly to inforce our laws and keep the public safe.
If you've got nothing to hide ... you haven't a thing to worry about.
Bruce
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It would really clean up the country, but, at what cost? Have we not given up to much of our freedoms already to live in this cradle to grave nanny state?
hugh
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Black Bart
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j from ontario
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"search and seizure", its the illegal part i dont get. I personally dont use drugs, but if i wanted to its none of your business. The war on drugs is a joke, and does nothing to deter use. Education is the only way to stop drug abuse and until people get that, usage will continue to climp among our children.
Lola
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Loony in LotusLand
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God help you if you are driving your private automobile on public roads paid for by your tax dollars. Unlike twenty to thirty years ago, drinking and driving is now a personal moral shortcoming and in itself sinful. Therefore; your right to privacy driving your vehicle is now a privilege granted you by, and revocable by the state and not a right covered by the Charter. Police may stop you in a random road check, search your vehicle for contraband, demand to see your drivers license ( papers please!) and identify and interview any of your passengers.
Just hope that the next interpretation by the Supremes does not involve any your personal interests or pastimes now considered moral shortcomings by the courts. If you are a Christian, a smoker, an over eater, a couch potato, a global warming denier, a biker without a Helmut, a hunter, a non-aboriginal, or not deemed to be green enough you are not protected by the glorious Charter in the Court..
Sincerely
Loony in Lotusland .
OS
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Smokin'
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Once again the elite have their heads in the clouds and leave "us" to wonder who is supposed to teach our young adults right from wrong.
stephen Kriegar
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you guys are killing a great country from the inside out, and I hate to see it.
lynn
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Andy
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Dam
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Is the Supreme Court of Canada telling us that because a dog can sniff drugs we should let a drug dealer loose in the hallways of our schools, what if he had crystal meth and was going to give it to your 10 year old son or daughter ..... a drug dealer is a drug dealer and anything and I mean anything we can do to get them behind bars to stop them killing our children or ruining their lives for good is justifiable
Robert
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Kevin in NB
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mark
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STUPID RULING.. Society > Individual
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Iain Ricketts-Moncur
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The sniffer dogs are a tool just like speed radar. From a kilometre or more away the officer at the roadside has no reasonable grounds to suspect I am speeding. He may not even be able to see me. He uses the radar to extend his vision. Just like the dogs are used to extend the ability of the officers to smell. Why is he allowed to use the radar as a tool to determine that I am breaking the law?
The worst part of this judgment is it lends further weight to the argument for limiting the ability of the Supreme Court to interpret the Charter. While we have a Conservative right wing government, it will add to the momentum of the politicisation of the judiciary, resulting in judges being appointed based on litmus tests of how they will judge hypothetical cases rather than based on their experience and knowledge of the law.
Alan
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What about those "bomb-sniffing" machines they have at the entrance of some buildings? Or metal detectors? That's not unlawful search. Unlawful search is when someone is physically searched or had their property searched without law-enforcement having reasonable grounds to do the search. The odour particles in the air are fair game.
In my opinion, either the socalled "Justices" are dumb as dirt, or they are protecting someone (maybe themselves).
Duncan Letby
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How will this apply to places of employment where there is a drug problem? This is already a frightening issue to deal with just on a safety basis alone.
I am glad the airports are exempt but I feel lots of other places must be exempt too.
How about Oil Refineries? Want a drug addict high on the job at one of those places?????Ka Boom!
Sometimes Imany people believe it to be...do I think he should have brought it to school? Of course not.
DJ
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vicky
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So, the school does not have a right, on its on property to expect and ensure safety of the rest of the law abiding citizens but this loser has "human"rights. I have news for you, nly humans are supposed to have human rights. I can already tell that I have this one draing my tax dollars as well.
I guess I'll have to work a few more years.
Mik
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John
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Guess what? It's reality check time. There are drugs at your kids' schools! I can almost flat out guarantee it. The fact that so many parents remain ignorant of this, and rely on the police to waste precious time shows a neglect in good parenting.
Educate your kids, but ultimately trust that your positive parenting will guide them to make the right decisions. The police have much better things to do than waste time over petty non-violent drug dealers.
Steve
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GR
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Schools should not be run like democracies, but benevelont dictatorships. Parents who are worried that their children's rights might be trampled on should opt for home schooling.
Lee
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R/H
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This is the type of ruling the SCC should have come up with.
Privacy Concerned
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I agree with some others here that you complaining people are not reading the law properly...this is about privacy and illegal searchs. This is not about more tools for cops...its about cops following the laws they are there to uphold...not for them to violate those same laws.
Its a sad dictators world when police can search you anytime they want with whatever tools are available.
walker
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There is also something inherently wrong in us being willing to give over our rights in this manner, in order for one pothead to be caught (and since it was deemed an illicit search, the kid went free anyways)
Our basic human rights are something to be upheld at all other costs. Human rights can come at the cost of personal safety, but when one loses their Rights, they lose their safety with them. I'd rather have my rights and that little extra amount of danger.
also, those who uphold the law should not be the ones affected by it. In this instance, the children who were not criminals...all but one apparently, were treated as suspects in a crime.
Those who break the law should be the ones punished for it. don't make me suffer because someone else is doing drugs, and that is exactly what is happening in this instance.
This has to be one of the most flagrant and abusive wastes of our tax dollars since the gun registry.
dd
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Ron Thornton
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For example, if the police can "sniff" the school, they can "sniff" your neighbourhood. If the dog smells something coming from your house, then you might soon be getting some company dropping by your home with guns drawn. For the law abiding citizenry, that should be no problem provided every cop was a good cop and every law maker and government officials was a saint. Unfortunately, the world provides many examples how the corrupt and incompetent can mess up even what on the surface appears to be a good law.
There is a solution. If a principal has reason to believe there are drugs in his/her school, get a warrant and get the place sniffed. If there is an ongoing problem in the school, or the bus station, or the airport, or anywhere, for that matter, all we need to be informed of is that such premises may get "sniffed" on a regular basis.
Secret police do things you don't know are happening or could happen. However, if we all know that we might be subject to such an invasion of privacy, for very definable reasons, then it allows the public the opportunity to react so that a law may be changed or altered to their satisfaction. We already do it in our airports for security reasons, so precedents have been set.
Meanwhile, so many are quick to point out their rights, be they real or imagined. What I would like to know is what, along with those rights, are their responsibilities? You would think promoting measures that support getting drugs out of our schools and keeping bombs out of airplanes, even at the expense of loosening our right to privacy for very definable and publically acknowledged reasons, would be a couple of responsibilities all of us should be willing to embrace. I mean, one's fellow students and passengers have rights, too.
Daniel Fedele
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Steve B
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a) freedom of conscience and religion;
b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
d) freedom of association.
8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.
9. Everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned
15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
I believe that that the SCC made the correct ruling in this case, and don’t get me wrong, I am dead set against drug use and feel that perhaps the Charter of Rights and Freedoms needs revamping.
However the salient point here is that this student’s rights were violated when I read the Charter as it stands today. This was a “random search” with the aim of “hopefully nabbing a criminal.” From the information provided in the article, there was no reasonable grounds to conduct searches; therefore making it unreasonable.
After reading the Charter, I believe, and I’m not a lawyer/judge or profess to be an expert on law or our Charter, but sections 2, 9, and 15 may have also been violated, which are provided above. 2. d) guarantees freedom of association – this random search without reasonable grounds implies that all of the children of this school are associated with the known drug criminals. Section 9 was violated because all the students were arbitrarily detained to “hopefully” nab one or a handful of students possessing drugs, again without reasonable grounds. Section 15 was violated because all the children were not treated “equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination” – I interpret that, because there was no reasonable grounds to conduct this search, that Principal and police must have thought that all the children were guilty of possessing drugs.
This is food for thought and the way I interpret our Charter, which guarantees are rights and freedoms. If our justice system doesn’t rule on the way the Charter is written as is and free of common-sense (which isn’t universal), then we as Canadians would be tremendously let down because our Rights and Freedoms would no longer be guaranteed. Perhaps you need to chat with and put pressure on your Member of Parliament to have the Charter amended to reflect today’s reality and correctly address the significant security issues we are facing as a nation.
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Vince M
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Oh I don't know... because ITS ILLEGAL?
tc
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For Sean - let me know where your children go to school so that I ensure mine dont go there. I for one would rather not have drugs present in my childrens school.
Jay Love
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Schools have become places where people are
no longer taught how to think, ask questions, and learn. On the contrary they've become places where understanding isn't necessary so long as students are conditioned a certain way and able to memorize.
In either case the right to privacy only exists today because of court decisions like this one. I for one am grateful and overjoyed that we live in a beautiful country where the personal interests and freedoms of individuals are still upheld regularly and only compromised for the rights of the nation under extreme circumstances.
The truth is simple and often neglected. Laws are arbitrary and never represent the opinions or desires of all individuals which is why we are constantly dealing with misunderstandings created as the result of conflicting interests. We also need to realize that individuals are responsible for making their own decisions and if we educated our children properly about accepting accountability for their choices and actions. Once properly educated I believe safe responsible drug use with certain illegal substances can be achieved the same way irresponsible and dangerous results can be achieved through ignorance regarding legal drugs.
Why is it that we can't assume responsibility as parents instead of finding scapegoats elsewhere to blame? Ask yourselves: Is it justified to suspect every teenager in a high-school as a would-be drug distributor and violate their basic rights to privacy based on nothing but speculation? Technically we could all look at each other with the same fearful ignorant attitude as everyone has the potential to commit crime based on the arbitrary, demographically associated laws depending on where we are. In addition to which certain laws (ie: marijuana possession) are absolutely ridiculous to begin with.
We should at least appreciate that we still have a nation with it's own judicial system. Obviously it doesn't always work well or represent the opinions of the presumed rational majority but it exists. The fact that it exists altogether is a beautiful thing. Love it or hate it, humanity is slowly moving in the direction of becoming a globalist surveillance society. Eventually individual rights will cease to exist on all levels including national, provincial, municipal, and virtual environments. Even now civil liberties and the rights of civilians in most countries are violated every day by govenment officials, law enforcement agencies, the military, "private security" groups (ie: Blackwater) and other "unnoficial" agencies (ie: Echelon) whose very existences are often denied or simply unconfirmed.
For those of you who aren't familiar with this story let me tell you about a teenager named Omar Khadr who, as you should be aware is a Canadian citizen living under controversy (in Guantanamo Bay) over a supposed incident (to which there was no evidence nor any witnesses) that occurred several years ago when he was only fifteen years old. Now let's ask ourselves what freedoms do we really have as Canadians when people (including Canadian citizens) are arrested, transported, detained, tortured, and labeled guilty of crimes in offshore prisons without even being technically or officially charged and then have no right to legal council or a fair judicial hearing whatsoever. You can call it fascism, political authoritarianism, soft totalitarianism or whatever other fancy word you want to use but the reality is that personal freedoms are dissolving at a progressively increased rate because the powers that be find ways to justify violating them in in order to insure protecting others (be it a particular social group or humanity as a whole) from the few people who, with the right access to certain tools and/or information could potentially threaten and therefore presumptively endanger the rest of us in some way. If history teaches us anything it is that fear is the greatest tool which can be used to impose control over the minds of groups and individuals in order to further any agenda be it obvious or hidden and discrete.
The lesson is we must evolve socially and make this a better world together. If we all give into the irrational fears of artificial or potential threats which often don't actually exist we'll lose the few freedoms we have left and nobody will be safe, only more easily controlled. In conclusion I think it's important that we all learn to put ourselves in someone else's position before passing judgment on them.
Jason
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We cannot live in a world where everyone is presumed to be a drug dealer or carrying a gun. Canada is and should always be a free country.
Dave Arbo
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IC
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Kevin
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If I want to carry a joint with me to my friend's house I don't want to be subjected to a random search and get charged with possession. Why should it be anyone else's business other than mine, including the police, that I have a joint in my pocket?
Doug BC
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However,the safety and liberty of well behaved,law abiding children in those schools comes FIRST.
If my kids ever brought drugs to school,I would want them to get caught.At least this parent would be able to take action.
Also,I would think that parents who can afford to,would end up sending their children to private schools,if drugs are allowed in public schools.I would bet that,notwithstanding the nonsense from the SCC,it would be a condition of enrollment that those who attend would be required to give "informed consent" to drug control policies.
Perhaps civil liberties would also give these kids the right to pack guns as well.
These are chidren!! I want them to know there are possible consequences to breaking the law.Not learn how to invoke rights as a method of not getting caught and reprimanded.And I don't want drug free kids exposed to a drug culture they may be totally uninvolved in.
I would not advocate this kind of a search of adults,or even kids in their own homes.
Schools need to do all they can to be safe for ALL children.The vast majority who are not involved with drugs.
This is very wrong for "the greater good",and the safety of our kids.
Don J Hoover
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dke
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Curtis Pine
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A Montrealer for Human Rights and Freedoms
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They did the right thing and did what they were supposed to do ---uphold the law!!!!
Gary -London
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teffee
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I agree that there are major socio-economic issues such as poverty, gender and race issues that need to be fixed. However, just because you read a book on them does not mean you have this all figured out. Those issues do have to be fixed but they will take a long, LONG time for them to be fixed. What do you expect to happen in the meantime? We will ignore criminal activity just because a solution may be available a hundred years for now. I don't think so. Until your idea of a utopia state is upon us the rest of us will have to live in a real world. A world that you obviously haven't experienced like a lot of has. I for one see drug dealers, assaults and worse in my neighbourhoos almost daily. I gotta say I am thankful thatthe Police actually have some limited powers left.
DISGUSTED
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FCS
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ET
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Nick T
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It was not a random search. The school invited the police officers. It was requested by the management of the PUBLIC building for them to come in and look. The dog alerted to a particular backpack. That gives police probable cause right there! This nation has become way too Liberal and lenient.
Also, as I stated, a school is owned by the public (in most cases), therefore, a PUBLIC building. This wouldn't apply to your home, since that is PRIVATE property. Big difference. People making the comparison of this situation to police searching their homes is ridiculous.
Louis-Paul C
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Kevin
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Lauren
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For those individuals who feel that youth crime is on the rise, that Canada's laws are too lenient, and that tougher laws and greater police presence will deter crime are simply wrong according to a wealth of peer-reviewed journal articles from a great variety of disciplines which I have become familiar with over the last 5 years.
Youth crime is actually much lower than many Canadians would presume and is actually declining. Canada actually has some of the toughest laws in the world, imprisoning more youths and adults than many other countries. Lastly, the presumption that tougher laws and greater police presence will deter crime assumes that all offenders are rational, risk-calculators that will choose not to act based on the risk of being caught. If this were true, countries with the death penalty would have the lowest rates of crime, but actually have some of the highest rates in the world. Strengthening laws and police powers will not change the fact that drugs exist. If students feel they can't bring them to school, they'll bring them somewhere else. What needs to change in our society is much deeper than debates over reasonable search and seizure. We need to take a closer look at why individuals would turn to drug abuse in the first place. We need to take a look at the socio-economic, racial and gender injustices that exist at the core of our society in order to make real change for the betterment of all, offenders and law abiding citizens alike.
While this may appear a bit of a rant, I really feel like it has to be said.
John P
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Gerard
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LM
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John
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Michael
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Ian
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It's patently obvious that many people posting have notions of youth being out-of-control drug-using thugs with no respect for authority and the law. You are showing outright fear of the youth of this country, and are showing them great disdain and giving them great disrespect.
These people will be running the show when you're old and not in a position of control. If they have been raised in conditions that dictate that the individual should have no privacy and no right to make their own decisions on what is right and wrong, that same attitude will come right back out once they are adults. Don't be surprised to find yourselves treated as less-than-human in the future, for that is the same treatment that you would call upon the youth.
Treating all youth like criminals is absolutely abhorrent. Treating all people that use public transport like criminals is equally abhorrent.
Your attitudes are positively shameful.
Remington
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Lurch
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EdmontonCurtis
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Bill
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In these cases, there should be an amendment in place that allows officials to place signs or notices in public view stating that this site is subject to routine searches via a Dog Sniffer. The public then knows that this policy is in place. Knowing this they would have to say to themselves "Should I really bring drugs into this environment?"
I think in doing so, if they bring drugs in, that they are consenting to having their bags searched "IF" it is detected that drugs are present. At that point the act of the dog smelling anything becomes their "just cause" because the individual knows.
Now some might consider this a "General Purpose Warrant" stating that anything can be searched, but are they really doing anything less at airports, with those scent detection devices? They are designed to sniff out explosives. would that not be considered invasion of privacy? NO becuase there is an expectation that you would or could be searched.
After all these items are illegal. If you are meant to have it legally then you will have the documentation and no harm no foul.
This is one of many opinions I have on this situation.
Sherry
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Lauren
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JD in Alberta
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As far as the Charter... It's not worth the paper is was written on. It was never written to protect all Canadians, just a select few groups. And unfortunatley those select few groups exploit it every chance they get. Only in Canada do druggies, perverts and other low lifes have more rights than honest people.
What this country needs is a COMPLETE overhaul of our judicial, political systems. We need to get with the times actually bring thes two systems into the 21st century.
But honestly, I can never see it happen. The lawyers, judges and politicians make too much money, the way the system works now.
Canada is becoming a Politically Correct joke.
Ernie
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Irate taxpayor
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Angie
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Sean
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Rulings like this are not to protect criminals, its to protect YOU from the slippery slope of corruption and fascism.
I've never done drugs in my life, and I'm probably the most law abiding person you can find, but I would rather have drugs present at my child's school than have my child subject to the detainment and invasion of privacy at the whim of a police officer.
Kdoug
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M.T.
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There are several references to "the bigger picture". The bigger picture is security, a police state is not defined by drug sniffing dogs being allowed to search a school without direct cause. Perhaps we should all look up the definition first. Also, statistically, we as a society know for a fact that drug use is rampant and out of control in our education system, so knowing this, does it not constitute reasonable cause to search schools for drugs? In my high school days, we had dogs come in about once a month, they did the search during classes to limit disruptions and people were caught and prosecuted regularly. I don't remember anyone needing to goto the SCC for guidance 10 years ago.
Robin
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We do not live in a police state...yet.
Dick Varley
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Shamaro
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Our SOC judges are the remnants of the hippies out of the 60's, who never liked any kind of authority and who have tried to prevent, even bend the law as to ot allow justice to prevail.
I am all for the election of judges who sit on the SOC, no more appointments from politicians or committee's, let the people of this country decide who sits on the bench.
NickS
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Police are still allowed to use a Sniffer Dog to Police Dogs will still be used within schools to search property when there are reasonable grounds for a search and not just a simple 'sweep' of the school.
search student's property on school grounds, HOWEVER there MUST be REASONABLE GROUNDS. This is no different than anywhere else in society and is what I expect from our Charter.
Nobody here would ever allow their workplace to be shutdown while every person's car, purse, backpack are searched by the police.
The 'Nothing To Hide' reasoning does not mean police can go through your personal belongings.
Schools need to be safe places, but our students need to feel safe from teachers and the police too.
I would never allow anyone to search anything belonging to me or my children without a warrant.
Without my privacy, I have no rights or freedoms.
phill b12
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1.The Charter of Rights was well intentioned legislation with lofty goals. Trudeau was an intelligent and patriotic individual. I believe even he would be disgusted with how the legal system has twisted his work to the benefit of criminals and the detriment of Canadian society.
2. Canada does not have a justice system we have a legal system. 3. There are only two winners in a legal system, the defence lawyers that get incredibly wealthy defending the criminals and the criminals they defend.
4. Canada is a haven for organized crime. Organized crime gets wealthy from illegal drugs. They organize the distribution of illegal drugs right down to the students in schools. B.C. Hells Angels Chapters are among the wealthiest in the world because they benefit from the legal protections of the Charter, a bottomless pit of criminal proceeds to pay their lawyers, and the softest legal system in Canada. Their lawyers get wealthy from proceeds of crime and our laws allow them. (who do you think wrote those laws? it wasn't a room full of crown prosecutors).
5. The Canadian legal system itself has many lawyers and judges that are as frustrated with our laws and previous legal decisions as are police. They are unable to do what is right, they must do what is lawful.
6. Despite political gains from announcements about a 'war on drugs' there has never been a war on drugs. In a war you send your soldiers out with the tools needed to win. Police have never been given the tools. We are successful in minor skirmishes despite being hobbled by previous court decisions but the overall battle is lost in the legal system.
7. If Civil Liberties Lawyers had to deal with the victims of crime one on one, from start to finish, in the legal system, before they opened their mouth in front of a microphone, they would sing a different song.
8. Civil Liberties lawyers scream the loudest when they have been the victim of a crime, quick to blame the police for their plight for not doing our job.....sometimes justice just happens, and police smile.
9. The current state and future of Canadian Society is ruled not by elected officials, it is dictated by the judges appointed to the SCC. Some of their decisions are good.
10. (last one) Law abiding and honourable Canadians will not experience justice in the current legal system until it is changed to give priority to the rights of victims of crime, the needs of society and lastly to the criminal. Yes, criminals must benefit from certain legal protections, but not at the expense of the victim and society in general.
Vince M
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Would you also want to avoid having their lives ruined for "experimenting" with booze, needles, or a gun at school?
At what point does the safety of MY CHILD take precidence over the dangerous behavior of someone else's?
Paul on the West Coast
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Obviously all want to help police out as much as possible, but there is always a danger of that slippery slope into a totalitarian society with unreasonable search and seizure.
Remember the book "1984" where all citizens are watched continually.
The Supreme Court was correct on this decison.
Rod
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Dale Wilson
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I wouldn't work in a place like that, thank you SCC for protecting what little remains of my privacy.
GM
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"The needs of the many are way more important than the needs of the few."
Cases before the courts are argued applying precedent.
If the law ignores the "expectation of privacy" we can open a "Pandora's box".
The Nazis "arbitrarily detained en masse and searched without any grounds to believe they have contraband or have committed any kind of offense"
This is a classic case where the courts have to decide whether "protecting the rights of many" will later allow for the individual rights of all to be abused.
You decide.
Rob Harrison
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A. Bica
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One more victory for our rights. One more victory for the people.
Those of you who oppose the decision fail to realize how close we are coming to a police state. If you don't stand up for yourself, no one else is going to!
Max
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Linda BC
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I'd howl along with them if they were using these techniques in a persons private home.I am a strong advocate for privacy rights and personal freedoms.
However,public schools need to be safe for everyone.They are not places for drugs,guns or alcohol.If it comes to a choice between some minor privacy concerns,and safety in PUBLIC schools,I know which one I'd be choosing.
The problem with the Supreme Court,And the Charter Of Rights,is that they don't include a Charter Of Responsibilities.
Parents and schools ASKED for police help in getting drugs and weapons out of the schools.For the greater good of all.We all know many parents aren't doing their part at home.
I guess the ext step is to try informing everyone,that this PUBLIC school is subject to random searches for contraband.Feel free not to enter if this policy offends your sense of liberty.
Once again,we have to fight the criminals,and the SCC.
Ben from Winnipeg
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Ki-Som
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Allan Kuan from Vancouver, BC, Canada
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That could easily be fixed with some amendment in the Charter or the definition making it possible for dog searches to happen without restrictions. I wouldn't really mind about that.
It's all about the wording people. The wording may be misunderstood by some, including the RCMP, when they apply more and more practices in situations that have not occurred before the charter is made. In this case, it's to do with dog searches at schools and transportation centres that were uncommon at the time the charter was made in the 1980s.
The courts are only doing their job of checking the integrity of laws and law enforcement practices to make sure that they do not breach the rights of the people as defined in the Charter or in other associated laws and regulations.
All that has to be done is amendments to fix that.
- Allan Kuan
Daniel H
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confused
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Will their ever be a situation where society can say the courts are not performing well to our satisfaction. Courts make all kinds of decision that effect the life of all citizens.
PS we have organizations run by lawyers who delight in exposing the many shortcomings of the courts. How paradoxical is that.
Gerry
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The spirit of the law is innocent until proven guilty. Random searches presume a certain level of wrongdoing without evidence.
Anyone who thinks random searches of anyone are ok is simply a sheep.
Kevin P
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A great day for criminals indeed.
The Supreme court has gone so Liberal(not the political party) in its thinking these days that victims have no hope or recourse. Just accept that we will be victims.
If they keep taking away the few tools that law enforcement has to use, you will start to see the re-arming of citizens. We have to be able to defend ourselves against the slime in this country! If law enforcement cannot, then decisions like this will bring about most unfortunate consequences.
Crap like this really makes you wonder who's side the elite judges of the land are on.
Dwayne
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Troy
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Bill
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Roger Taylor
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Jesse
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Tori
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The criminal has more rights than I as a law abiding citizen do.
Not allowing random searches within our schools will only allow more abuse of our children. Drug dealers use our kids to transport and sell their drugs. The Dealers get off scott free and kids will suffer.
Next thing we know there will be no drug or bomb dogs at airports as it infringes upon the rights of terrorists and international drug dealers.
Canada better tighten it's laws and borders or we are going to be in even bigger trouble in 10 years.
Ray
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Jetbee
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Canada has a Charter of Rights that protects it's citizens and we should be grateful for having this document in place. Tell me, would you prefer to live in a dictatorship where anything goes? I think NOT.
If police (or any other form of security in this country) are allowed to do whatever they want to whomever they want, then we no longer live in a democracy. Laws are put in place for a reason and they must be followed by all parties. No one should be subject to search unless there is reasonable suspicion. Period.
Cathie
said
Time to ban all laws that regulate crime. The courts keep siding with those who break the laws.
Why bother having laws anymore?
Johnny Mat
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I feel that this was stated in the context that the people were good and the government(authority) was bad. It a good philosophy when it goes one way but what if? What if a persons rights were violated (up for argument) and this person was found to be breaking the law. What then? Its like speeding, we all try to get off on a technicality, but in the end.. you know you were still speeding, breaking the law, and hence increasing the potential safety risks...and not just for yourself but others on the road.. The problem is here.. How do we fix it?
DUH !!!!
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This should be a "no brainer" but apparently it is a problem for many Canadians.
Ted
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Vic
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Change the law!!
Crazy Jim
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This is disturbing and sickening. It’s obvious that the lack of rationality in some of these posts is related to choice of lifestyle and self-justification. The fact is laws were broken, people did something wrong and our system is now helping it to happen without justice. This must be corrected. A new law must be passed! We must not sink into this sort of irrationality.
Kathleen Cameron
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Tom
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Nowhere is it saying that dogs cannot be brought in to find those breaking the law, just that there should be some strong level of suspicion first. Maybe it would be wise to have someone in the schools whose job it was to monitor and document so that a case could be made.
As mentioned before, violating the charter, whether for the greater good or not, starts you down a very slippery slope.
Richard
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Shan
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David fm NS
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Brian
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T. Phillips
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What is next? - the inability to use sniffing dogs at our borders?
I hope the Prime Minister does the most important thing - ignores the ruling and continues to allow law enforcement officers to ability to use this tool.
The supreme court is more of a political sideshow than it is a legal mechanism. The kid in the high school was conducting illegal business anyway you want to look at it!
Shame on his parents for even thinking about challenging it as a SCC case. They are as shameful as the child they raised.
eskiefan
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Robert M
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The day we allow police to arbitrarily walk into someone's house, with or without a dog, to search simply for the hell of having something to do, or because they THINK you may have something illegal (and remember, in the right set of circumstances, a kitchen knife is a weapon) we have reduced ourselves to a police state.
IF police have reason to believe that there are drugs or weapons, they can get a telephone warrant and conduct a search. Until then, we are protected from being stopped and searched simply because a cop feels like he has to do something with his time before returning to his post at Tim Horton's.
Mike R
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Jim Murphy
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David Murrell
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The SCOC only cares for the welfare of drug pushers and criminals. This is their priority. These are the values that the SCOC, the elitist media, and the left-leaning judicial system, hold dear.
Jim McB
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When we set rules in a society for the public good, it is wrong to advocate limitations that neuter the intent of those rules. If you cannot prosecute people for transporting or being in possession of illicit or contraband material known to be dangerous to human health, why is it that the same person can be indicted for not wearing a seat belt or a helmet while transpoting that material?
I think it is a basic right of mine to not support this type of advocacy. I do not want to pay for it, but I am indirectly doing so by having this group and similar entities subsidized by being able to claim charitable status. If it is advocacy it should be paid for by their supporters without the benefit of tax breaks. Paying lawyers large sums of cash is not a charitable act.
Advocacy groups are directly responsible for the imposition of a significant majority of laws that over the past decades directly affect the individual freedoms of citizens that have never and would likely never break the law. They are basically left wing thinking and their position is that what they want, should control others by making it law. Once they achieve these goals they rarely if ever suffer the financial conseqences; in fact we subsidize them to achieve their goals.
If the SCOC buys their position it will be another disappointment for Canadians. The court has to my mind been too supportive of criminal rights in the recent past. Their focus on the rights of the individual criminal has trumped my right to live in a free, ordered and safe society. Add the human rights tribunals and their attacks on free speech to the mix and our freedom is being flushed down the drain.
Ian
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We're conditioning our kids to live under police-state authority. How on earth is that a good thing?
Remember the famous quote: "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Mark
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Police searches and dog sniffers should be mandatory in all schools. The sooner you get the kids out of drugs and on the right path, the better. Allowing kids to experiment with drugs is dangerous. Some manage to turn away from it themselves, but many are drawn in and have their lives ruined.
Lros
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Needing a warrant to search someone who's holding illegal contraban is ridiculous... illegal search a seizure, what a joke. If someone is breaking the law, they're breaking the law. Getting off because you were searched without a warrant in these situations is ridiculous...
Does that mean if they come out with a dog that can say, smell gunpowder to look for people carrying guns, we shouldn't be allowed to use them to keep the public safe? Give me a break...
Tyler
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OnTheKidsSide
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Averick
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To those who think otherwise, would you mind if a police officer and squad came to your home while you were at work and began going through your personal belongings for no personal reason whatsoever and without notice. Hardly.
John
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We don't need drug sniffing dogs violating the charter rights of our citizens, we need better parents who can educate their kids on the dangers of drugs.
If the supreme court overturns the court of appeals decision, we are headed down a slippery slope similar to that of the Patriot act in the U.S. I for one do not want to see that happen.
Dustin Ellis
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DJP of Calgary
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Not many seem to care about the safety of our future. The future is in those kids, help them to them ourselves is our only chance. Public places is the place to teach them, if parents don't agree with keeping thier kids out of harms way including but not limited to drugs, well then home-school your child.
Sandra
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Roy LaValley
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Robin Hood
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The drugs were excluded and the charges dismissed. A Court of Appeal ruling upheld that decision."
... basically this kid was caught red-handed and still the charges were dropped on the basis his rights were violated?!"... I could understand them being dropped on the basis that the drugs could have been planted there which raises a reasonable doubt but based on the defense argument used here shows that the Courts have lost touch with reality and cannot be trusted to protect society. Time the politicians started to earn their pay and legislate less vague laws that serve as loop holes for criminals.
Bill
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SteveInMoncton
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Nick T
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Dean
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Wendy
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Unless something has changed without our knowledge, drugs are illegal, schools are public property and the public screams to get rid of drugs in our schools. When they try, they are shot down.
Every single school in Canada needs to set a policy that states that their school is subject to random checks by drug-sniffing and even gun-sniffing dogs and if either are found, prosecution will result. This needs to be driven home so that when it comes time to go to court, issues like this won't happen.
Why are we so intent on taking away the tools that our police forces have to combat crime?
Mr. Lisus, I hate to tell you but what you want to see will send the wrong message to kids that it is okay to take drugs and other contraband to school without fear of detection or charges. That it is okay to deal drugs to children. Give your head a shake. These are children who need to be taught right from wrong and to be protected while at school.
KAINE
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DP
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Yes, of course, children's (and, broader, people's) safety is number 1 priority. And drug trafficing is illegal. But if there's really a drug ring in a school - they for sure won't act so foolishly as to keep the drugs in their own backpack. They'd rather ask - or force - other students to "hold it for a while". So without knowing individual's background, it's impossible to judge whether s/he is a drug dealer or simply a victim of school bulying. Policy cannot solve this case - it should be handled by school authorities in close cooperation with parents. I'm sure if it were your child whom you least suspect to be connected to drugs - you would've fiercly opposed his or her detention and criminal prosecution. Please, just remember the times when you were 10-12-15 yr old - it is not that obvious as you think. If you really want to protect children - you should educate them, not send them to jail.
Trevor
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Put dealers in JAIL!
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Bill
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Gis
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On the other hand, if the school had clear rules which stated that they may use dog sniffers to check bags without opening them, then I'd be for that. Even better, add a further rule [maybe with parental approval prior] that if a dog sniffer does detect anything "odd", they may open the bag only then.
Holding kids in a room for 2 hours is rediculous.
Ian Yellowknife
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johnn
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Gary Keigan
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Dudely
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It may send the wrong message if the kids are in their bedroom at home, but school is a public place, where the good of the public outweighs the individual. You can pretend to have a bomb in your bedroom at home, but don't try that at an airport, right? Same deal. I'd be very surprised if they ruled against the cops here.
Hans
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My heart goes out to their teachers. At least prison guards have a baton, spray, and iron bars to protect them.
Drug sniffing dogs are essential.
Chris
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