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Tories announce $13.8B surplus, hint at tax cuts
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Date: Thu. Sep. 27 2007 11:04 PM ET
The Conservative government announced a greater-than-expected budget surplus on Thursday. Ottawa posted a $13.8 billion surplus last year, significantly higher than the $9.2 billion dollar surplus predicted earlier this year.
Finance Minister Jim Flaherty told CTV's Mike Duffy Live that record corporate profits are the prime reason behind the increased government revenues.
Flaherty added that the government will reduce personal taxes, but the additional money will also be used to pay down the national debt.
"Paying down debt is paying off tomorrow's taxes," he said. "And this is saying to the younger generation today... that we're not going to pass on this huge mortgage to you."
Ottawa reduced the national debt last year by more than $14 billion to $467 billion -- resulting in an annual savings of $750 million in interest payments.
Flaherty said that the government has reduced personal and income taxes, consumptions taxes through a cut in the GST, and excise taxes.
"There's more to do. Canadians are still over-taxed, so we'll do more," he said.
Commenting on CTV's Mike Duffy Live following Flaherty's interview, the head of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce said "the real question is whether we're going far enough, fast enough" when it comes tax cuts.
But the tax break from the $740 million savings will only save Canadians as little as $30 each. Some critics say the government should have used the entire $14 billion to slash taxes instead of only giving back the savings from interest payments.
"That is really just gouging Canadians for no reason, and this money would be better left in the hands of families," John Williamson of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation told CTV News.
Perrin Beatty, who has previously said the government should focus on income tax relief before further reductions to the GST, said the government needs to focus tax cuts on areas that will help the poor and Canadian businesses.
"Our priority from the point of view of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce is that we focus on taxes which will improve productivity in Canada or ones that will give the most direct relief to lower income Canadians," said Beatty.
The federal Liberals, meanwhile, slammed the Tories for slashing programs, such as women's groups and literacy programs. Liberal finance critic John McCallum accused the Conservatives of deceiving Canadians in their budgeting after promising during the 2006 election to forecast surpluses accurantely and close to the bone.
"If you take the 2005 version of Stephen Harper at his word, then today's Stephen Harper has just admitted that he is running an unaccountable government by deceiving Parliament about the size of the federal surplus," said McCallum.
Saskatchewan's Minister of Finance, Pat Atkinson, reacted to the news on Thursday calling Harper a "stubborn" man for funneling the budget surplus into debt reduction rather than applying the funds to contested equalization payments for the province.
"We need him (Harper) to honour his election promise to our citizens in order for us to continue in a very positive way to contribute to the economic well-being of Canada. And he needs to get that message," Atkinson said.
Saskatchewan's NDP Premier Lorne Calvert contends Harper promised to remove non-renewable natural resource revenues from the equalization formula, but instead capped the amount of funding a province can receive under the program.
The premier has told his provincial Justice Department to sue the federal government to challenge the constitutionality of the reforms.
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the economy's strong performance does not mean Canada can now become complacent, but instead must continue to be economically prudent. He pointed out that Canada's forestry and manufacturing industries are facing challenges.
Flaherty added the Conservative government is paying down debt for the sake of future generations. But Tory insiders told CTV News the prime minister will hold out the promise of big tax cuts in next month's Throne Speech, which could well turn into a potential vote grabber for the Conservatives if the government is toppled.
CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert FIfe said Harper is ready to go to the voters with a broadly-based tax cut, if he's defeated.
In Ottawa, election fever is "very high," said Fife. And because the Bloc Quebecois and NDP are most likely to vote against the Oct. 16 throne speech, it's up to a "very badly divided" Liberal party.
Some Liberal MPs told CTV News they would either miss the vote on the throne speech because they plan to be "sick," while others are pushing Liberal Leader Stephane Dion hard to defeat the Harper govenrment.
"People close to Mr. Dion say he keeps changing his mind on whether or not to defeat the government, depending on who he last spoke to -- so stay tuned," said Fife.
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David
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In the mean time I refuse to acknowledge any politician's pride in this. As far as I'm concerned they're all preening self important gas bags who should be thrown out with the trash on a regular basis.
You can tell a career politician by who little you notice the lies falling out of his yap every time it hangs open.
Reversals, back biting and denials are endemic to the career politician, who is more spin artist than leader.
Our financial health is not bad, hurray for Canada. Now someone please tell the politico's to just shut up.
CjN
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No government has eliminated their debt- oh, wait... Alberta has! It's now gone on a spending binge like a drunk in a casino with a gold card. Looks like they'll have to increase their oil royalties to pay the bills. It shouldn't, however, affect any tax-payers... except everybody at the pump.
I this a preview for the feds when they write their debt off?
stupidCons
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b) The GST was not NEW revenue as you Conservatives assume. It REPLACED the Manufacturers' Retail Sales Tax, which was approximately 13% of the value of goods but was hidden in the price of the good, while the GST is visible. The GST may add a few billion more to govt revenues than the MRST but hardly enough to cover a fraction of the $40 billion deficits of the early 90's.
As for Mulroney's brilliant handling of the economy:
a) The 1991 recession in Canada was the first recession in Canadian history that was not caused by an American recession (which didn't even occur at the time).
b) The only instance in Canadian economic history of the Canadian economy NOT going into recession when the US economy receded was in 2000-2001 under Chretien/Martin.
As for the impact of the Free Trade agreement a recent study has indicated that the average Canadian has not seen rise in income from NAFTA while the rich have gotten considerably richer.
earl
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Pat B.
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B. Lang
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Seems to me that this debt is mainly the responsibility of the voters of the 60's, 70's and 80's better known today as our Senior Citizens. Thank you very much all of you mom's and dad's for putting yourselves first and not thinking about the futures of your kids and grandchildren, how very responsible of you.
Brett
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All of these were conservative policies.
In addition, the general health of the economy should be given credit. Thank Alan Greenspan for that.
The conservatives have my vote for ensuring the continued health of the economy.
L out West
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Robb
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Ron
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Greg
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GL in Montreal
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Better cut income taxes before it is too late!
Nick
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Uwe Warkholdt
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The other parties should be very careful about calling an election too soon. They might end up with "egg on their face"
Bill
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And the Liberals had not 1 thing to with any of the above mentioned items.
Yes, Paul Martin cut spending because the World Bank was at our door step, about to declare us a basket case. He had no option. So thanks to Mulroney's GST and NAFTA deal, both of which the Liberals were against, and the Americans are trying to stymie, we rebounded.
I will go along closer to the Conservative program than the left Liberals/NDP/BLOC socialists program of big government spending.
Danny K
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wayne
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BOB
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Brent
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Davey Legasse
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Matt
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mike
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So great that we pay down our debt - honnestly.
But long term we will have a recession - which will result in higher taxes - when they never lowered them in boom years + a need to issue tons of new debt just to upgrade decrepid hospitals, roads, schools, military.
all this to say short term political points - for a situation which is no better than before in the long run. At least cut taxes now... and let us allocate our own ressources accordingly.
Joe Soukeroff
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Joe S
Ed Sportel
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md
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Dave
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I think the government should be applauded for sticking to its policies and applying this surplus to the national debt. Keep spending consistent with the budget that was passed through Parliament last spring, and use the decrease is payments on the national debt to offer some form of tax relief.
What it comes down to is that there was a budget passed by the House and that should direct the government's spending. Increasing spending on programs now would not be accountable. Leave that for the next budgetary cycle.
Roger T
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Norm
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It's amazing and obviously the announcement made this morning about our surplus has touched a nerve.
However, am I may be somewhat naive in making such a suggestion, but rather than blame the Conservatives, the Liberals and taking aim at the NDP as "extravagant spenders", let's celebrate the news that our country is emerging as a leader and significant force on the world stage - not because of its military might, nor because of exclusionary policies that fail to open its doors to the richness of immigrants who chose to live here - but because of who we are,what we stand for and the gift of our vast resources that are now in such high demand and that makes our standard of living something to behold.
Today is a day to Stand Proud Canada.
Mike
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JF
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Jason
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The turnaround of the countries finances are 80% because of the fiscal policies (GST, FTA) that Mulroney brought in. You may remember those policies were hugely unpopular and cost the Conservatives their government but in the long term it was a good thing.
Along came Martin and Chretien who kept these policies after promising to scrap them. Martin then sped the whole process up by making massive cuts to transfer payments and social programs. Trudeau gets us into debt in the first place and Martin slashes social funding yet people still think the Libs are some sort of icons, amazing.
Harper should be congratulated. Not for the surplus or building this great economy but for putting the money directly on the debt where it belongs. If Layton had his way it would all be spent.
Jason Toronto
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Darren
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R.P.
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"Over the past two years the federal debt has fallen by an amount equivalent to $1,142 for every and each Canadian"...well since our population is about 33 million, that works out to more than $33 billion in debt reduction in the last 2 years of Conservative rule. Which means that of the $90 billion erased from Canada's debt in the last 11 years, the Conservatives are responsible for more than one third of that in only 2 years (an average of $16 billion per year)...while the Liberals took 9 years to erase the other two thirds (an average of approx. $6 billion per year). Kind of makes you wonder what the Liberals were really spending our money on...oh yeah...the sponsorship scandal...
Tom
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Maybe a little history lesson here folks. Remember Mulroney and Wilson, the creators of the GST. These Conservatives set the stage for Surpluses to help pay down the debt, many years ago, and it was the Liberals who defeated them for this with the promise to eleminate the GST, and won, but kept the GST. (I beleive it was the cornner stone of the liberal platform, contained in the red book) Soooooooooo, who set the stage for debt payback, certainly not the liberals, they ran on the coat tails of Mulroney and Wilson, and did nothing but steal the surpluses for their pet projects, remember the sponsorship deals.
Craig
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Justin001
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The amount was 42 billion in the final year of the Mulroney gov't, of which 26B was debt financing, and the operational budget of the federal gov't was 19 billion in the black.
The Mulroney gov't, saddled by the Trudeau era deficits, that forced Ottawa to borrow money to pay for basic services like light and heating, turned public accounts from red to black.
And unlike the Chretien / Martin Liberals they didn't simply slash into the EI fund and dump their problems on the provinces.
Anyone with room temperature IQ, knows that the key to our present good fortune lies in Free Trade and the GST...
Both from Mulroney and oppossed by duplicitous Liberals... but only when out of power.
Doug in Calgary
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Martin
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Mulroney inherited a massive deficit from Trudeau, due to his incompetent economic policies. While Mulroney slowed spending (an important first step) he didn't attempt to reduce it. He DID, however, bring in Free Trade and the GST, two things that are responsible for Canada's economic recovery. People can give Paul Martin some credit for slashing public programs (something the Liberals never let Mulroney get away with) but without the GST and Free Trade it would never have been enough. And those are the facts. Oddly enough, some odd folk still think Free Trade was a disaster...
Look to see income tax relief in the next budget! It's coming!
Dale Sanger
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Yes the Liberals (Chretien & Martin) started to turn things around by paying off the debt, and the Conservatives have continued it. But the initial problem came from Trudeau and his governments.
ray
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Mike L
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LM
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Scott W.
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Alan
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This money should be return to the people in the form of tax cuts and immediate assistance to our municipalities, most of whom are bankrupt! It's not FEDERAL money. It belongs to all Canadians and should be given back to us in services or tax cuts.
Mark
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John Davis
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CM
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Michael
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$14 billion divided by our population and that is how much Harper took off YOUR DEBT account!!
Thank you Mr. Harper, hopefully in my lifetime we will see no national debt and prosperity for all. Debt steals the economic life of a nation and of individuals. The less debt we have the better.
Mark
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Fair-is-Fair
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IMO, no government can claim responsiblity for the gained revenue, the US economy might have been a factor, and our business leaders had a hand in the success here.
It's only prudent to plan to have surpluses to pay off this dept.
We have to live within our means IMO.
So we certainly have to pay back the credit card P.E.T. maxed out in the 70's, remember that one?
David F
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Nick
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Now some of the comments are critical but I don't care who ends up with a surplus just that we have one. OH by the way yes Mulroney spent to much I agree but that was then and now we have a surplus so a party can change their ways.
Stop the Con
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Rod
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By the way for those who want to give Paul Martin ALL the credit I wonder how Canada Steamships was affected by the economy and policies of the 80s! Oh wait, most of Paul's ships (that work in Canada) are registered in Liberia!
Alan
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Harper is an economist and darn good one too. Sure, Martin can take credit for surpluses when he was the Finance Minister. But surpluses aren't carried over... they're annual outcomes. Harper's Conservatives were making the decisions when THIS surplus was created.
Unlike the libs, who courted the NDP support and spent more when surpluses existed, now the ENTIRE SURPLUS + more thas been paid against the national debt. PLUS government spending was $750 million LESS than projected spending - a NONEXISTENT notion under Liberal leaders. Incomprehensible to NDPers.
Hate Mulroney if you must. But, cut the Liberal double-speak and give credit where credit is due.
"You doth protest TOO much" Could it be you see the demise of Liberal spin?
MJ
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Someone has to make the difficult decisions.
Michele
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14 down....446 Billion to go, and you people want tax cuts? Sure I would love to have a tax cut BUT I would rather eliminate the national debt altogether first, so our children/grandchildren/ and great grandchildren are not paying off our debt(and the previous generations). If 14 billion saved us 750 million in interest how much TOTAL interest are we paying; that we could be saving, if the debt was 0. With those figures close to 24 billion on interest alone. Now that would give us one major tax cut. Look at it this way if we got a tax cut it would not be as much as it 'looked' simply because it would be on borrowed money and we would be paying interest on it. Any tax cut before the debt is paid off is on borrowed money.
B.B.
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Darren
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Justin Russ
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...What he should be focusing his "investments" on is the environment. Otherwise, our grandchildren will all be chocking on polluted air. What a great legacy to pass down to future generations...give me a break!!
Bill in Seattle
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JSmith
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Jeff
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Richard
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Mike J
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Tom Hawley
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Please let me know how much the $100 per month under age seven cost us. Also what proof that it was spent where it was meant. I know cases where it was not used for books or daycare! I would also like to know what happened to all the daycare spaces that were promised.
Tom Smith
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Greg in Kitchener
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Liberals and there voters are so desperate, they cannot approve of anything Harper and his party does, they cannot attack Mr. Harper on his record, that is for sure!
To a Harper majority next election!
peter
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Dej
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James
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Another difference between Harper and the Libs is that he is putting the surplus into debt reduction. He is not trying to buy votes like Chretien and Martin did. Any time the Libs were slipping in the polls, they would announce this huge surplus and go on a spending spree with special interest groups to secure their position.
Harper, on the other hand, is keeping his word on fiscal responsibility and accountability. He created a reasonable and balanced budget. When extra revenue came in thanks to a growing economy, he slid it immediately over to the debt.
Mark
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Marty
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Bartholomew
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Harper promised to have no surplus spending, which he is keeping by paying off decades of liberal deficits.
Jonny
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If we're going to have these surpluses, let's continue to pay down the debt. Let's just find better ways to find the money than to raise income taxes in order to lower GST, or to cut small program funding in order to give free money to oil companies; hell, if we raised GST and lowered income tax equally, then how much tax Canadians pay would depend much more on them than on the government!
Michael
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Steve
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ET
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But don't worry folks, the GST got dropped 1%, our military has 50 new tanks to patrol the arctic with, and no attention was paid to any other issue when they decided to just pay down the debt with the entire surplus.
I also find the political timing of this announcement rather disturbing, after the events of the last week. I would hate to see Mr. Harper with a majority, given how much damage he's caused with a minority.
Mikel
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Stephen Cook
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Evan G
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Garry
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Geoff
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it's like waking up to realize you've got the winning 649 jackpot numbers! What are we going to do with our "unexpected" windfall, Mssrs. Harper and Flaherty? Reduce the debt load for Canada's municipalities? Eradicate poverty? Invest in education? Fight global warming? Nah - all a waste of money. Probably best to just sit on it and squeeze us all for more of our hard earned cash. Sit back and pat yourselves on the backs for a job well done. Thanks, Mr. Martin!
Bo
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Steve
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Doug
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Was he the first in a long time to have a budget surplus?Yes,he was that lucky.Fiberals balanced the budget because Preston Manning shamed them into it.I still remember the "debt clock" on the news every day.In fact,I wish it were still there.
Secondly,I might point out,that the Fiberals balanced the budget because they had the money.Why did they have the money,you ask? Because of the revenue generated by the GST,and by growth due to more free trade.Both policies the Fiberals should be thanking the former Conservatives for.
I hated the Mulroney government at least as much as everyone else in Canada.But to give Paul Martin credit is waaaaay too much of a stretch for anyone with more than an ounce of information available to them.
Lillian
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Charles Hunter
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It was not until Free Trade and the GST was introduced by the conservatives that allowed for the conditions for sustained economic growth which allowed for the sustained budget surpluses enjoyed by the Liberal governments of the 90s. Both which were strongly opposed by the Liberal opposition when they were introduced.
R Landry
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matt
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CH
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Dave
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Derek
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2. For the Paul Martin lovers out there, who want to extol the virtues of his time at Finance, can I point out one thing? Martin made spending cuts, but no major shifts in econmoic policy. Brian Mulroney's government, stickhandled by Michael Wilson, made the economic policy changes that allowed the Libs in the late 90s to start raking in surpluses. The GST was a tax replacement (from the old Manufacturers tax) that resulted in higher revenues, and free trade increased our economic activity, resulting in more cash for governments. Mulroney/Wilson introduced the changes that Martin/Chretien simply kept.
3. When Brian Mulroney left office, Canada's debt-to-GDP ratio was lower than it was when he came to office in 84.
That's not rhetoric - that's what happened.
Jeff Holt
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They deserve to be booted out of office -- give Dion a majority.
Jeff in Montreal
Dwayne Moholitny - Edmonton
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Annette
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Frank from Brampton
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Mike B
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Unlike the Liberals that would spend this money on stupid leftest ideas where only a small amount of people would benefits like their friends.
People always bash the conservative, but they forget how the liberals stoled from us.. The fact that everyone say they ahve a new leader, they forget that he's was part of chretien gang and was the unity minister. If he did not know this was happening.. how can he be a big leader...
Give the conservative a chance, give them a majority...
Graeme
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I don't care if you hate Harper and his party, or hate the Liberals, we need to give credit to both of these parties in the last 10 years for doing the right thing. It would be easy to instead use this money to buy votes, but they are taking the route which will help Canada prosper long term.
Rachel H
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Richard
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S in Calgary
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Rob B.
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yoyoma
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Dallas Overholt
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Anthony
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Jim McB
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Martin savaged National Defence and sucked huge sums out of the individual taxpayer. When the Liberals got to a surplus situation they squandered taxpayers money on programs designed to bolster their election successes.
The Conservatives put all the money towards the debt and have promised that the savings will be passed off to the taxpayer, a prudent plan to my mind.
The sponsorship scandal is proof that the Liberals stole money from the taxpayers, that does not appear to be happening now. TO is broke because you have a socialist mayor who doesn't have a good fiscal record and an indecisive Liberal government that has been foundering.
I wonder if all the lefties remember the last election campaign where fear tactics were employed once again about the Conservatives going into defecit. In fact they have lowered taxes, are spending prudently on well designed and efficient programs and reducing the debt. All of this has taken place while they faced an obstuctinist opposition in a minority parliament. The government and Canadians can be proud of these accomplishments.
Doug
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To anyone who is asking where the tax cuts are, they said they're coming... hold tight. You people can't have your cake and eat it too... you want tax cuts, and to get the country out of debt? You have to suffer a little to gain... otherwise its back to deficit budgeting of the 80's.
This Conservative government is not the same PC's that were in power in the 80's... not the same as the ones in the 90's...
Mr. Harper is doing a great job...
Rod
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FN
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In any case, as I see it, it is neither thanks to one party or another, one finance minister or another, one PM or another, but THANKS TO US, THE CANADIAN TAX PAYER for shelling out the kind of money we do to FIX the "mistakes" and serious mis-management that SEVERAL governments have brought us.
C.A.
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Kevin Seesequasis
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Thank you PM CHRETIEN and PM Martin for your outstanding fiscal prudence and fiscal legacy!
Thank you PM Harper for making it abundantly clear that your successes ride on the coat-tails of past 15 years of Liberal SMARTS!
Happy Canadian
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Both Liberals (Martin as Finance Min) and Conservatives (Harper runs everything)are just paying down the debts created.
If the previous gov't had not been "doing things" for every specialty group or whining interest group, we wouldn't be talking about this at all!
Whoever gets to be in office, keep at reducing this debt and keep the taxes going until it is GONE! Ultimately the taxpayer created this, the taxpayer needs to eliminate it! (Yeah, I'd rather have more money in my pocket too, but this is what happens with buy-now-pay-later plans)
Ryan
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CK
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Mark
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It's laughable that Harper supporters use this as 'evidence' of his success. He's just riding the coattails of those before him who did the heavy lifting.
Lorne B
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Mark
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peter
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Peter
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Arif M
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The conservatives have virtually nothing to do with this. In fact .. now that we finally have very large surpluses, now would be the time to invest in Canada's future. Pay down the debt about 10B .. but then spread the extra 4B into development of wind-energy or shortening hospital and operations waiting lists.
JPF
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Ken
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Matt
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1) Paul Martin. Harper and Flaherty themselves admit that debt reduction has been going on since '96. Martin was a lousy PM but the architect of the modern Canadian economy.
2) Resources. Oil and trees...we got'em, most places don't. Despite all the talk of the "new economy", Canada's will always be one based in resources, no matter what anyone tries to tell you.
George
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GG
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G.R.
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Scott
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Mel
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shannon
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AR
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Now that the Conservatives are in power, though, not only are their estimates many times worse but the surpluses are actually way bigger.
Hypocrisy knows no bounds. What a friggin joke these Conservatives are. Unbelievable!
Paul Connolly
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Glenn from London
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Dave in Surrey
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Just remember folks, if it wasn't for Martin as finance minister we would be dealing with Mulroney's 50 billion dollar deficits...
Pat S.
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sk
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Richard
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I think it is excellent that the government is choosing to pay down the debt with the surplus. Frankly I do not care which party (Conservative or Liberal) is responsible for the debt and which is responsible for the surpluses that repay it. Repaying it is the responsible thing to do.
I am paying for it (though I did not create it), and I can only hope that my children are not going to have to pay for it as well. Add in the environmental problems (among other big issues), and the future does not look to good for my children and I. Hopefully the previous generations realizes this.
I am very happy and proud to be living in Canada, and it was the people before me who made it the country that it is. I am not trying to denounce my elders... But surely we can do better than argue about who is responsible?
Can we not just celebrate our successes? Learn from the past mistakes? Implement policy to clean up those mistakes? And insure that it does not happen again?
Happy and anxiously awaiting the future,
Richard