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The union representing Air Canada pilots has been given an overwhelming mandate to call a strike, though the pilots have said they won't use that option while mediated talks are ongoing. Air Canada pilots walk through Pearson International Airport in Mississauga, Ont. Lisa Raitt

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The union representing Air Canada pilots has been given an overwhelming mandate to call a strike, though the pilots have said they won't use that option while mediated talks are ongoing. Air Canada pilots walk through Pearson International Airport in Mississauga, Ont. Lisa Raitt

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The union representing Air Canada pilots has been given an overwhelming mandate to call a strike, though the pilots have said they won't use that option while mediated talks are ongoing.

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Date: Wed. Feb. 15 2012 11:20 AM ET

Despite the fact both Air Canada and its pilots' union are in a legal position to grind the airline to an abrupt halt, the federal labour minister is confident the two sides will come to terms instead.

The union representing Air Canada's 3,000 pilots has been handed an overwhelming strike mandate, after its members voted 97 per cent in favour of job action Tuesday night.

"Pilots were forced to take this vote as a defensive measure because the corporation chose to put itself in a legal lock out position," the president of the Air Canada Pilots Association Captain Paul Strachan said in an email.

Air Canada was already in a position to lock out the pilots, meaning both sides are now in a position to essentially shutter the airline's operations with just 72 hours notice.

Nevertheless, Air Canada COO Duncan Dee has assured propsective customers they have no reason to fear their plans will be dashed at the last minute by a work stoppage.

"It is business as usual, and customers can continue to make their travel plans and book with confidence," Duncan said in a statement.

Echoing the airline's call to customers, Strachan said pilots are more interested in striking a deal than going on strike.

"Air Canada pilots have demonstrated their commitment to reaching a negotiated settlement by continuing to fly under a contract that expired in March 2011," he said.

While federal Labour Minister Lisa Raitt recognizes the two sides "are really far apart," she is counting on their assurances they will remain at the bargaining table.

"I'm definitely relying upon the good faith of both parties when they tell me that they want to do a deal," Raitt told CTV's Don Martin Tuesday night, explaining that she expects the appointment of retired judge Louise Otis to mediate the talks will help.

"We're providing the space and the expertise to get it done and we expect that the pilots and Air Canada will not have a work stoppage," Raitt said.

Given that Air Canada has reached deals with its machinists, crew schedulers and flight dispatchers in recent days, Raitt says the airline has proven it's possible.

"They're on a roll," she said.

But negotiations between the airline and its pilots' union have been ongoing for 17 months already, including a proposed contract that was rejected in a two-thirds vote last May.

The negotiations have also seen their share of Ottawa's involvement, including a two-month round of conciliation and mediation led by another federal appointee.

Among the sticking points is Air Canada's rumoured plan to launch a low-cost airline to compete with its discount and charter rivals. Pilots fear the move would not only lower their wages, but could also lead to the outsourcing of work to foreign or even other domestic carriers.

On the back of rising fuel costs and increased domestic competition, Air Canada's latest financial report detailed a $249 million loss in 2011, including $60 million in the fourth quarter.

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Doreen Seidel
said

Dear Air Canada Pilots... I booked my vacation with you back in August of 2011... Please don't go on strike until after March 3rd, 2012. This has been the longest countdown ever for me and I would hate to have my husband say "I told you so".... He wanted to avoid AC at all costs and book with WJ or Sunwing".

Thank you!


Informed
said

A pilot at Air Canada starts at $37,000/year. This is after requiring, normally, an aviation diploma or university degree and on average 8 years of experience flying before they are qualified to be hired with Air Canada. The pilot will pay, on average, $60,000 to achieve the licenses necessary to be hired by Air Canada. Out of flight school, this pilot will work for at least two years around the poverty level; assuming they are being paid by their employer and aren't flying for free to "build hours". The second year as a pilot with AC they will make $42,000/yr; the third year $55,000/yr. This pilot will stay at that salary until they have enough seniority to exit the "pay group". They will not get cost of living increases and will be away working for normally 15 days per month with as little as three hours notice as to your schedule (reserve). This schedule will be the most fatiguing they will fly, crossing multiple time-zones. When they have enough seniority, they will be able to exit this "pay group" and earn more money and have a better work schedule. This assumes that there are retirements and growth in the industry. Don't be fooled by the "hours worked per month" often advertised as the reason pilots are overpaid. The "hours worked" are only flight time. This does not include preflight planning, preflight inspection and programming for flight and post flight duties. The pilot is not paid for flight delays. With the addition of a low cost carrier, the conditions will worsen. The days of overpaid, underworked pilots are over with the exception of only the most senior pilots hired long ago. I hope this clears up any misconceptions.


Malcolm
said

ANOTHER strike, I swear it seems like every month or year someone at Air Canada is threatening to strike. Maybe we should all strike, strike from flying huge airfare costs. Maybe that's why West Jest is doing so well?


kevin
said

they should get there money you get what you pay for and i think when Im in a plane i want the best pilot flying that plane they have lots on there shoulders when flying look at the pilot that was flying the plane that got landed in the hudson river he is one of the best


rmsbl4
said

@ Bill Bell Since you posted a comment here means that you have access to a computer thus why don't you do a search for the info instesd of expecting everyone else to spoon feed you.@ Get real I don't know where you are getting your figures. Everybody seems to think that pilots get paid for 40 hrs of work a week. They are only guaranteed 65hrs/mt.. They only get paid for off the chocks till chocks on. The latest pay scale I could find shows a B-777 captain with12 years as a 777 captain, pay is $227/hr x guaranteed 65 hrs= $14,755/mo which is a far cry from your figures. Search air canada pilots pay.They are limited to the amount of hrs/m,/qtr and per yr which is usually between 900-1000/tr.


Ed
said

Would the gov't step in if WestJet or Porter went on strike?
I don't think so.That is why Air Canada is our national carier. Yes the AC pilots are prima donas, they are already the highest paid airline pilots in Canada. Now they want to decide how the company is operated. The pilots should realize they are no more important than the groomers who clean the aircraft. They are workers just like you and i.


Steve
said

For all those hoping Air Canada goes under I'd like to remind you that it's competition in the marketplace that keeps prices from sky rocketing. While I love some of the prices West Jet currently offers they will obviously raise their prices because they will be the only major player in the industry.

While I'm no financial marketing genius, I know that when you have a monopoly you can charge whatever you like.


alma
said

they have a lot of nerve going on strike while people are losing their jobs. I have no sympathy for them. At least the pilots have jobs


W.E. Norman
said

Absolutely Crazy ! ! Just another clear example than Unions are obsolete and should be abolished. There is no way on earth that a union should be able to shut down a business. If you do not like your job/pay/benefits, then quit and try to find a better job, if not then work hard and shut the **** up. BAN UNIONS NOW! ! !


Denis Carriere
said

Reply to Don
You say the pilots are using the people as bargaining tools, could it not be Air Canada using the people as bargaining tools.
Before talking about the pilots salaries let's look at the CEO's salary packages.
No I'm not a pilot but I am a proud and happy I.B.E.W. union member


Mike
said

Canada needs to get out of airline business, and let the bargaining go on between private investors and the employees. How can you justify the airline losing money all the time, and employees thinking they should not be subjected to some kind of concessions at the bargaining table. Do they not have time to read the paper, or listen to the news when they're waiting in all those airports? Do they think they should be immune to what the rest of Canada is suffering through?


Get Real
said

Air Canada pilots are living in a fantasy world protected by their union. $25,000/month for a 777 Captain? Get real.


Sally
said

Dear Pilots, If you do go on strike, please do it after March 18th - after my vacation. Thanks.


Lynn
said

such hostility!! Especially from folks who know absolutely nothing or very little about the issues at hand. Isn't interesting how the front line employees get the heat while the OVER paid execs slide under the radar? Educate yourselves before you pass judgement folks!!!


M
said

Air Canada needs even more competition to keep them in line with quality of service and price of airfare.

If it can't compete, then fold.


Mark in Newmarket
said

The minute Air Canada goes on strike, the government will begin the work of ordering them back to work. I don't think that many MP's will want to their constituents filling up their inboxes and voice mails complaining that their March break vacations have been cancelled due to the AC pilots strike. Back to work legislation will make its way through the house, to the senate and signed off as quick as you can blink.


Francine in Ottawa
said

Great - I didn't want to book with AC in the first place and I'm SUPPOSED to be heading to Australia next Thursday.... Now I feel nothing but anxious and stressed . Thanks AC... I learned my lesson, NEVER BOOK WITH AC AGAIN!!


Mike - Calgary
said

Love Terry's comment

" Finally, a break from Air Canada service!!! "

It's the way I feel, and just won't give them any business any more.

They'll go under, fingers crossed !



Claude
said

To all those who think WestJet will not take advantage of this situation, wrong.. Not that I blame them but as soon as the strike was announced I had to book a flight and went online to find all tickets had immediately jumped up anywhere from $100.00 to $200.00 each way from Vancouver to Calgary. Funny how that little discount Airline becomes an expensive attraction when the competition faces strike action they need not worry of.


Mike - Calgary
said

WestJet all the way, and they'll get you there !
Air Canada will get whats coming, and no $$$ from me.
Bye Air Canada, your old news!


Sean
said

Again - you've got to be kdding me - what a joke


Ionosphere
said

Air Canada always seems to have labour issue's with their unions. On top of all of these problems, high fuel prices a long with servicing smaller cities and towns Air Canada is and many attributes is killing this airline. Maybe they should stick to their international routes and Major cities in Canada and allow the smaller air line companies to vie for the small towns and cities across Canada, but one thing most definately they will need to do is solve these Labour disputes with their Unions.


Don
said

The pilots are using people as bargaining tools. They know the busiest time of year is coming up soon with March break. I say give them what they want, Air Canada will raise their prices more, then they will go bankrupt and there will be nothing too worry about....


Michael from the real world
said

Obviously the Minister will have to step in and impose mediation if the two sides cannot agree. Both sides have a case to make; what's at stake for the public is the continuation of business and pleasure travel. The economy is fragile enough without lock-outs and strikes! Even a 24-hour shutdown is too much.


RJC
said

Another successful government venture.


Ron
said

There ink is still running RED for AC, even though they now charge $25.00 one way for the first checked bagage.


Terry
said

Finally, a break from Air Canada service!!!


Michelle Smye
said

Once again...the media is being manipulated against the people and for the big corporations. Do u think coincidence that AC announced a deficit days prior to negotiations. That millions in bonus paid to lead execs is being scrutinized...if we addressed corporate responsibility to long term profitability of corporations unions would not be necessary.


Allan
said

This pilots need to get in touch with reality. They already make more than enough money for the job that they do.


John
said

Air Canada is a govt protected dinasoar that based on any performance or efficiency metric should have been extinct years ago. No more subsidies...shut em' down. As was mentioned earlier, another more efficient airline will spring up.


Westcoast Reality
said

The federal government is trying to hold wages for all Canadians and let large multinationals export jobs by giving them tax breaks. The conservative government, make no mistake is having to slash and burn on their federal budget because they are to busy exporting jobs where Canadian's pay taxes in Canada and giving multinational corps breaks, which don't pay a cent into our valued and treasured public services and programs. Why else do you think OAS will be moved to age 67?


Bill Bell
said

$$$$$$$$Can anyone out there tell us what the pilots make ? Wages, benefits, days off, holidays etc. etc. ? Don't just assume they are overpaid until you see the facts.But, like the rest of us, times have changed. Maybe they are part of that 1% we hate !


David
said

WestJet!


Robert B
said

I have a vacation booked for Mar. in the Carribean.... With Wes Jet Ehah!!


Wes Sask.
said

Way to go pilots! Screw-up peoples' travel plans.


shawn in Mtl
said

My partner and I have tickets booked for a week's vacation at the beginning of March. They've been booked since Last September. I already have a dim view of this Airline and this and ALL unions. I am not impressed! Looking forward to a new UNION FREE airline, I'd even pay a little extra for the guarantee of none of this BS.


Just Saying - Ottawa
said

Did see on a program last week where if one purchases a ticket from Porter or Westjet and are unable to use it on the date it was purchased for, they will refund you "full cost" to use on another day and time, but they say that Air Canada if your ticket is for $1,000. and you find a trip for $650. you will not get the difference..so one would think that most will travel the other airlines before Air Canada.


Norm B (Kelowna)
said

What goes around comes around. I do not mind getting a wage increase as long as prices stay down as well. My last wage increase was in 2001. We have excepted zero wage increases for years. But the cost of living keeps going up for what ever insane reason. Someone out there is making a mitt full. It is time we were giving a cost of living increase. To many people are suffering and in the end it will come back to bite the businesses in this country. We are not a third world country yet, but it is knocking on our door. And no I am not a pilot for Air Canada.


Dean in Abby
said

Lock them out already. These people are already the highest paid and under worked pilots in the world. The airline itself is a joke and should just be let to die peacefully. Someone else will start a new more efficient airline(s) to more than fill the void. Let it go already! For once, listen to the people. Unions have had their day, stop ruining companies and do some work for a change.


Mitch
said

again???


rod
said

harper its all yours bud...smirk


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