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Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty addresses The Canadian Club of Toronto regarding his government's economic plan for 2012 in Toronto on Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2012. (Nathan Denette / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty addresses The Canadian Club of Toronto regarding his government's economic plan for 2012 in Toronto on Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2012. (Nathan Denette / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Mon. Feb. 6 2012 11:31 PM ET

OAKVILLE, Ont. — Ottawa could have prevented the loss of hundreds of jobs at an Ontario locomotive plant if it had acted to modernize Canada's "outdated" foreign investment laws, Premier Dalton McGuinty said Monday.

U.S.-based Caterpillar, which is planning to close the Electro-Motive plant, never had any "sincere interest" in staying in London after it bought the factory, he said in a speech to the Oakville Chamber of Commerce.

"Eighteen months ago, when Caterpillar bought that plant, they had to get the approval of the federal government under an outdated law called the Investment Canada Act," McGuinty said.

"I believe there's something fundamentally wrong with a federal law when it allows a Canadian plant to be bought and stripped clean in short order, throwing Canadian families out of work."

The Harper government acknowledged the need for change a long time ago, "but they haven't done anything about it," he added.

The premier struck a more conciliatory tone after the speech, insisting he's not trying to lay blame. Rather, Harper should draw a lesson from the experience and review the act.

"I think it's really time that we did that and see if there is a better assessment that we can bring to potential investors to determine their sincerity of their commitment in that business in that community," he said.

However, the federal government said a month ago that the takeover was never looked at by Investment Canada because it fell under the $300-million threshold.

A spokeswoman for the Prime Minister's Office said the government sympathizes with the workers, but there was nothing Ottawa could do.

"This issue fell entirely within the powers of the McGuinty government, there was no ability for the federal government to intervene," spokeswoman Sara MacIntyre wrote in an email.

That's not true, McGuinty said. What happened at Electro-Motive wasn't a labour relations issue, "and we shouldn't pretend otherwise."

The 450 employees had been asked to take a 50 per cent pay cut to help keep the plant open. The CAW union members rejected the proposal, prompting the company to lock them out Jan. 1.

Caterpillar subsidiary (NYSE:CAT) Progress Rail Services said the cost structure at the London plant was unsustainable, even though Caterpillar last week reported a 58 per cent increase in its quarterly earnings with a record profit of nearly $5 billion.

It bought Electro-Motive for US$820 million in cash from Berkshire Partners LLC and Greenbriar Equity Group LLC in 2010.

"This company, we have learned, had no sincere interest in a long-term presence in that community," McGuinty said.

"In 21 years (of public service), I have never heard of a business -- domestic or international -- that said to an employee group, 'We're going to cut your wages in half, this is a take-it-or-leave-it offer'," he added.

"That's a 'We're getting out of town' kind of an offer to me."

But McGuinty could have done more to help workers before the axe fell on Electro-Motive, said Essex New Democrat Taras Natyshak. And pointing the finger at Ottawa after the fact comes as cold comfort to those who are losing their jobs.

"Sounds like a buck-pass to me," he said.

The Progressive Conservatives insist high hydro rates and increased business taxes under a Liberal government are driving many companies out of Ontario.

"It shows you something's wrong in the province, that we've made Ontario a much more expensive jurisdiction," said Opposition Leader Tim Hudak.

"And who pays the price? People looking for jobs who literally had jobs. We just need a different approach when it comes to the economy."

However, the Liberals counter that they've made Ontario more competitive than most U.S. states by cutting the corporate tax rate to 11.5 per cent.

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Robert B
said


KPR you are right onnnnnnn!!!!!
do you go to Florida for any health fixes?


Just a Guy
said

CAT got exactly what they wanted when they bought Electro-Motive, the rights and patents tpo the finest locomotive built in N.A, they never had any plans to stay here, and the sham of "negotiations" they held with the CAW proves this.

Hang on to your hats folks, if skilled welders and machinists are worth $18 an hour in Ontario, then what are your skills worth? A machinist in Ontario making what a burger flipper in Alberta makes, good deal.


Optimistic Pessimist
said

The closure of the EMD plant in London, is all about fact that the plant was and could not be profitable. This plant lost money for years when GM owned, that is part of the reason they sold it. It only value was the orders it had on the books for locomotives. But who in there right mind would make them and take millions of dollars in loss on each one they produced.

Progressive Rail, never intended to keep the London plant. The writing was on the wall right from the day they bought the plant, and very quickly broke ground in the US on a new plant. A CAW unionized plant, will never compete with a plant in a Right to Work US state.


pissedcanuck
said

This is the fault of the majority of the workers and the Union that is behind these workers for not being flexible to the economic conditions that we are all currently in. This is also the fault of the Provincial Government of not stepping in during the so-called negotiation phase between Caterpillar and the Union and offer any incentive to keep jobs here. This is also the fault of the Federal Government by not looking into the situation to see if any money was given to Caterpillar when they bought this plant under the Investment Canada Act and that Caterpillar should pay any of it back when they left or any other legalities. This is also the fault of the current Obama Administration for it's current Buy American policy. In a nutshell, there are faults all around.


Just Saying - Ottawa
said

Ontario has seen what Bob Rae former NDP Premier did to Ontario and Dalton McGuinty now Liberal Premier has made a mess of this once fine province of Ontario also. We are now a Have Not Province and in debt which we will not get out of for the next 10 years at least. McGuinty will not face it that he is the one that has screwed up and no one else. Shame on this Liberal Party and shame on the former NDP Bob Rae who is now a Federal Liberal interim Leader..listen everyone to we who have lived through this..you do NOT want either one running this country.


Maple Leaf Forever
said

According to my calculator, $16.50/hr is $34,320 a year...which is a lot better than the ZERO these union clowns will get now! The bigger issue to me is: if the previous wage scale (I'm sure these are all "averages") was $35/hr, that's $72,800 a year (!) for a blue-collar job that, while perhaps skilled, was not likely (in most job categories, anyway) something that required even a high school graduate. Yeah, a union shop is GREAT for otherwise unexceptional workers...until reality bites you in the ass!


Pasquinel
said

These are ominous times, the global village is getting smaller, the signs of dog eat dog are all around us. We need to and must adjust. You cannot expect to throw taxpayer money at every bump along the way. It is time for all to cut back especially gov'mts and municipalities, everyones greedy. GM diesel workers made their bed, now they can lie in it, don't look to me for sympathy, half of what you were making is better than what your going to get. We are talking survival.


Sweet !!
said

This is awesome....The only thing I dislike more than unions is Dalton McGuinty. Double win !!!!!!!


inswoOntario
said


This is a very tough situation. Clearly the corporation chose to go to a state where union membership is not mandatory to save money. But there's no doubt this wasn't morally the way a company should treat its employees. I'm not pro CAW but its not their fault, its not Harper's and Mcguinty is just being shameless here. It's Obama's protectionist policies. I think what the PM can do is try to challenge those laws.


Adam In Ottawa
said

I have more respect for the squirrel that has been residing in my attic this winter than that twit called Dalton. I CANNOT stand that man. Sure, blame the federal conservatices. I wonder if the soaring power rates had anything to do with Caterpillar's departure? They certainlly did when the smelter in Timmins moved to Quebec due to the massive rate hikes. I dislike most politicians but I put him in the same category as Chretien and Trudeau. Slezaeball..


CM
said

I find this amusing, I agree with Ian, McGuinty loves to play the play game. He does such a great job protecting Ontario's resources/job's from Quebec companies.....shame on you Mr McGuinty


Doodle
said

Every manufacturing plant in Ontario is going to close so get used to it. It's McGuinty's fault. All his new Green act's and shutting down clean coal fired stations will rise the price of electricity so much in Ontario that no company in their right mind would even think of manufacturing anything in Ontario.
This is what the media means by "for every green job created, 2 normal jobs are lost". Ontario voted for this... you get what you asked for.


Rob
said

This is real Caterpillar modis operandi. They do the same thing everywhere they operate and have no loyalty to the people who got them where they are.


Randy
said

This is from the same Mcguinty who shortly after introducing the HST was unhappy with the Bank of Canada for increasing interest rates. He thought that the interest rate hike would be detrimental to the Ontario economy and that people would stop spending...Come on Dalton your HST had more of a negative effect on spending than the interest rate hike ever did. Now here you go again blaming others for your actions or inactions...why did we ever elect this guy back in?


Sick of Dalton's excuses
said

Ummm, Dalton, what did your lord and masters Jean Cretien and/or Paul Martin ever do to improve the Investment Canada act? Nothing? That's what I thought. Stand up and be counted, man, and stop blaming others when it is in your own back yard.


Ottawa Jack
said

What has McGuinty,the Liberal premier who turned Ontario into a 'hsve not' province, ever taken responsibility for? Oh yeah, he spent more money than any other premier.


Mike
said

So why are we allowing Target to come to Canada. Close the doors and keep them out. Greed is going to cause wars. It's already quietly happening. Keep the Americans out of our country. They'll do it again. Start producing our own companies and retail stores and then send the likes of theirs home.


David
said

With electricity rates of 10cents, during buisness hours, and you are blaming who?


Graeme
said

Yes unions can be greedy, but how is not just bending over and accepting half your wage greedy? Exactly who posting here would go in to work, be told their salary has been cut in half, and say "that's okay, I understand our stock isn't as high as it could be". This isn't a company that was on the brink of bankruptcy or anything. Too many people are either pro or anti union no matter what, instead of looking at the facts of a specific case. This is the reason why I generally avoid voting NDP or Conservative. The Liberals are far from perfect, but at least they can show some balance at times (in general at least, specifically Mcguinty is a terrible leader who can't make any tradeoffs or hard decisions).


MIke
said

Stop buying anything American. Don't buy from Walmart, Target, Future Shop, Best Buy. Let's start producing and buying our own and screw them.


Mike
said

Employees should keep the equipment and sell it for scrap metal. Screw the yanks!


John
said

People who blame the unions are completely ignorant. CEO's and large companies need to be held accountable. We need civil wars now to fight the greed of the entitled. You people are sick.


SF Thomas
said

McGuinty has a point about the fact that the Feds could have intervened in this case under the Investment Canada Act. We've seen a number of cases in the last several years under Harper and the Conservatives where agreements in major foreign purchases were not followed. Stelco and Vale Inco come to mind as two major examples. Mind you he could have been much more aggressive about this had he so chosen.


retiti
said

why has no one put the blame squarely on cat's shoulders? they're the ones that pulled up and left.
and i dont know, i might be just a silly person, but 50% of pay seems better than 0%.



Craig In BC
said

Typical Liberal blaming everyone else. lol.. the people of Ontario are to blame for voting those clowns back in.




5th Generation Canadian
said

IN 2008, Harper took the stage in London to crow about Cat taking over the Canadian company and its technology (not to mention the millions of dollars in tax incentives he gave them to do it!)Seems to me he should be standing up now to say, "Geez, sorry 'bout that folks. They scammed me." Tit for Tat, you know?


Arne
said

Time to kick out all the US companies, GM, Ford, Coke, Pepsi, Shell, Costco, Walmart, Labatts, Sears, Safeway, McDonalds, etc. Then all Canadians can live free of US influence and be unemployed.


JD, Ontario
said

We need to realize that the US is our competitor as well as our major trading partner. Politics do play a role and Canada should create protectionist policies similar or more stringent to those in the US to keep jobs here, including companies being bought by foreign interests as the case here. At the end of the day though it is our dollar that is killing jobs. Our dollar at par with the US dollar makes our wages and benefits packages out of balance with those in the US. Our Union jobs are too expensive to support over the mid to long term and have lost our competitive edge thanks to the the faltering economy of the US pushing our dollar higher!


Don
said

O, please Dalton, stop trying to put the blame on other governments. There is enough blame to go around starting with the unions, your Liberal party and yourself and yes even the feds. The most blame has to go to the unions who would not take a pay cut from $35. an hour to $18. an hour. How are the union workers making out now with NO $ per hour. Dalton, you are something else trying to blame the Feds for this. I bet if a Liberal government was running Canada you would not be pointing your fingure blaming them!


Jayme
said

Kpr In St Johns
In Ontario its the liberals that are immune to criticism just look at the amount of issues olg scandal very little outrage ehealth most really were not that up set i could go on and on but the kicker is the job cuts Harper say job cuts are needed its big news Dalton does the same thing very little news on it at all.Is Harper fault free of course not far from it but Dalton does not get any blame or if he does its very little yet Harper get blame for something that really is not his fault such as green energy.


Andrew
said

Ontarians should be proud, they have more proof that they are putting "Green Politics" ahead of the economy and the livelihood of its citizens. I would even say McGuinty isn't even at fault. Ontario has elected and re-elected this clown so many times, it is about time the citizens starting taking responsiblity for whom they voted for.


Jayme
said

ron svajlenko
Yes people should get a good wage and perks there is no question the issue is what is a fair wage many year back people would see a fair wage where the would have enough to live a good life nothing to fancy if they got a bonus then they would buy a treat now in many cases a fair wage seems if you make less then $70.000 that's not fair.


disgusting
said

Hey all you union bashers, non union guys. Cut your own wages by 50% with a smile on your face, then come back and tell me how happy you are with it.
When every last worker in this country is making $10 a hour I guess you'll be happy.
Big corporations don't have to close us down because we're so busy ripping each other to pieces they don't have to.


Kevin In Calgary
said

Oh Eastern Canada, when are you going to figure it out?? Destroy the unions, drop your corporate tax rates, and invite business into your land. Don't fight them or they'll simply close the doors. its the CEO's job to make his company the most profitable it can be. If you pay high school dropouts who have no skill 40/hr to work on an assembly line, yet you could move your plant south and pay the same skilled workers half of that, wouldn't you ?? Better yet I offer all those people who got laid off to come to Alberta, Where the streets are paved with gold, and if you have any sort of head on your shoulders you can make it big! Just don't expect to make the big bucks sitting on your Arse like back home!!


Sober
said

Blame, blame blame. Liberal politics, McGuinty style.


Philip
said

It is the unions to blame, because they do not allow flexibility and a free market for wages, taking away the rights of individual workers. Their long term goals are to bankrupt companies and bring down the capitalist system, and to get as much benefit for themselves as possible during the process.


Leslie's pit
said

Its Harper faults for sending corporations the message that is was always going to take their side over the workers, even when the government shouldn't even get involved. It was Harper's fault for giving generous tax cuts to corporations with absolutely no strings attached. "this will create jobs" says Harper,"but we will make no attempt to make sure it does". You and I are paying for that fiasco.


Tom in Calgary
said

He makes some very excellent points that the Harper regime should consider. Also remember the Tories gave this company 5 million of our tax dollars and have chosen to intervene in other labour disputes.


Mandosa
said

I stopped reading this after "McGuinty blames....."


TnT
said

Obama had nothing to do with this, that's just ridiculous. The federal government sat on their hands while they took millions in grants, and shut down the plant. Harper etc. is more concerned about oil, and Alberta. Witness where the action is, and where Harper's priorities are. His ace in the hole? Blame McGuinty for his lack of action.

It merely shows that this conservative government's plan of handing corporations more billions in breaks will not result in any job creation whatsoever. Harper is no friend of the Canadian worker, but he sure is big business's buddy.


Jed
said

Please media report the facts about the wages... It is indeed sad to see any plant closure these days, but the media still does not acknowledge that not all 450 employees were being asked for a 50% reduction. Most were offered the 50% cut but not all. It is not right for Electro-Motive to ask for such cuts, but unfortunately, they will get the cuts at the expense of the London employees.



mike
said

Hey Mcgunity, before you go blaming someone else just look in the mirror and say yes I am a liar. Maybe you should hire these workers in the wind business, I am sure samsung has lots of our tax dollars you have given away to hire these out of work employees.
I would be suprised if your business buddies if you have any left would be happy to hire them.
Yes Samsung your only business that will speak to you.
You are worse than Bob Rae was and that is hard to put into words.


GHW
said

I love this guy. He sure would make one slick used car salesman. I still don't understand how he got re-elected even with the weak opposition he faced. Unfortunately communist unions like Communism itself eventually destroys itself.


SadCanadian
said

It was a planned ending, who will ever accept to have his wage cut in half to keep on working? They new that not only the union but all workers will not accept the 50% cut. And on top of that got a Tax break ..... and now they will strip off all the machinery on the plant and ship it back to the US ..... they used our own laws against us.


MikeW
said

LOL - who are you kidding Dolton, this is your province, you brag about all the jobs you have created (statistics prove that you have lost jobs). Where were you when Cat bolted the doors, nowhere to be found my friend. You sure its not Mike Harris or the premier before him that should be at fault. $ 35 an hour for factory wages is way to high, but i guess thats how the unions fight your over taxation


David
said

There is now a plant available with sufficient capacity, and space, to build wind turbines; provided someone didn't discover a build up of oil, pcb's, or an asbestos problem tis why they forced closure and walked away. I would not consider wind turbines to be a health hazard if it were, eveyone in holland would have been dead long ago.


Joe in Burlington
said

A 50% pay cut isn't collective bargaining it's extortion. Who would say yes to having their pay cut by 50%?

@AM "It is interesting that many of the companies in dire financial situations are the same ones where unions are running the show."

Did you even read the article where it states "Caterpillar last week reported a 58 per cent increase in its quarterly earnings with a record profit of nearly $5 billion."?
Yup unionized workers are to blame for seeking decent wages and and pensions, not the money grubbing multinational companies. Let's all go to our employers and say we don't need no stinking pensions or benefits and accept minimum wage so we can all be equally poor....


Andrew in Dundas
said

Obama is a protectionist... Bush wasn't. Bush was better for Canada. End of story.

McGuinty is irrelevant and nothing this man says should be taken seriously.


James
said

NOTHING that Dalton McGuinty says has any credibility whatsoever. He's blowing smoke as usual.


goldens
said

Sure! Why not blame Ottawa. Deflecting the blame to Ottawa will deflect the blame away from him.


Lane
said

The fault for this plant closure rests solely with the union. The plant is moving to the U.S., where it is not required to hire unionized employees. The workers in the U.S. location are willing to work for roughly half the pay of the Canadian workers. The decision was a no-brainer for any business person. The unskilled workers at the plant in London, Ontario simply priced themselves out of the market.


Marvin
said

Do you not wonder why corporations that are in such sound financial positions are getting generous corporate tax cuts which are creating huge deficits you and I are paying for? This government works for Big Business, not you and I. It will end up bankrupting us.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

I guess not only does McGuinty deludedly believe that he doesn't live in a glass house (Ontario is in great shape, if wasteful spending, gross governmental mismanagement, and financial and economic decline are left-wing measures of success), our Liberal Premier isn't smart enough to grasp that international business realities render his partisan blame idiotic.


john messom creston bc
said

so let see if i can get it right Premier Dalton McGuinty of ontario is blaming ottawa for the closing of Electro Motive closing did you hear what i just said the premier of ontario ottawa for the mess of electro motive closing he is the premier of ontario so what did he do to stop the plant from closing nothing this premier does not want to take any blames at all which he is the premier all he want to do is pass the buck if something is good in ontario he will take the credit but if something is bad he blames ottawa what a coward for a premier


George
said

John Lethbridge, you must be a conservative, like the rest of your type always blaming someone else for Harper's incompetence.


testy
said

Amazing, the company reports a 58% increase in quaterly earnings, does record profits of $5billion, gets generous tax cuts from Harper (remember the photo op at that same plant). Despite that, it tries to get its employees to take a 50% pay cut, and this is somehow the unions fault? ---- Amazing. ---


Wendy
said

It's good thing Harper gave them billions in tax cuts, the CEO got 10.5 million of that corporate welfare, the employees well they lost their jobs. Those corporate tax cuts sure work to create employment in the US, Mexico, China, India, every where but here at home. Harper has increased our national debt by more than 140 billion more than half of that was because of the tax cuts. We pay 84 million dollars per day in interest on our national debt. Thanks to Harper the country is going broke & so are the people. Yes this was Harper's fault.


Richard from Toronto
said

This was a former GM plant. As far as I know that is also a "foreign" company just like Caterpillar. So why are we talking about foreign companies taking over Canadian plants


roy
said

I would like to set this whole thing straight it is neither the Federal or Provincial Governments at fault here the blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the greedy unions and their members,they talk about the greed of the coporations but they have to look into the mirror and finally all the pushing they have done over the years is coming back to bite them right where it hurts the most.


Paul
said

What?
Electro-Motive was owned before by General Motors (a foreign company. Unions are the issue, not always the company.


Bill McWilliam
said

Boeing Canada closed the plant in Toronto and nothing was done then. They even sold land to government which was big cash injection to company. We lost very important part of aerospace industry which will never get back. Still nothing was done to stop it. The question who got paid off to allow this to happen?


Shay
said

So you're blaming the fact that the company said take a 50% pay cut or too bad?? Yeah it's the unions


Eddy
said

I noticed CP and CTV forgot to post whether Electro-Motive division itself was profitable

I better shoot an e-mail to them to add that important bit of info. I'm sure they'll add it.

NOT




Big A
said

McGuinty is 100% wrong. When Cat was paying these non-skilled labourers $32 an hour several years ago, it was only $16.00us. Their labour costs have now doubled and something has to be done just like any other company. HOWEVER, It should have been done differently or on a longer scale. Obama's communist system is too protectionist and gives Cat all the excuse it needs. It was good while it lasted so now suck it up and look forward!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ron svajlenko
said

Unions always get blame but which person is ready to work for 50% of what you are getting now? Feed your family, make your house payments and live in dignity for half your wages.....What? no volunteers? This is about human respect and what your children will face in the future!!!


william-ontario
said

unbelievable. has mcguinty no shame?


ian
said

come on dalton, you know it was mike harris's fault, does this guy never quit blaming somebody other then himself


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

It's not about making a profit -- it's about making the most profit.... And it arises from the failure of principles shown where hospital CIOs set their own pay rates, parliamentarians set their own pension terms and big bank chairmen decide their own bonuses. Greed greed and more greed. For a brief period democratic governments attempted to right the power balance – but more and more the government is in the pocket of the millionaires and the billionaires and the fix is in from start to finish. It is the corruption of having too much power and no morals


KPR in St. John's
said

Let me save the Tory apologists some time. Ahem, "Dalton McGuinty is not a Conservative, therefore everything he does is objectively wrong. Stephen Harper is a Conservative, therefore he is immune to criticism and everything that goes wrong in the federal government is not his fault. It's the fault of someone who is not a Conservative." Feel free to post comments thanking me, Tories!


AM
said

Huh...So the Federal Government is at fault. What about the unions?
It is interesting that many of the companies in dire financial situations are the same ones where unions are running the show.
In this case, the CAW union rejected the proposal put forth by Caterpillar, the employees were locked out and now they are completely out of work. How is that a better solution?
Employees of these companies need to ask the unions to get out and start working in good faith to find solutions that help everyone involved.
Factories shuttering their doors isn't good for anyone.


Bill
said

Caterpillars just been added to my don't buy list.


John Lethbridge
said

This isn't Harper's fault, nor the CAW, and not really even Caterpillar. This is about Obama's socialist protectionist policies. Caterpillar needed the electromotive technology for their new locomotive plant in Indiana, and needed this plant to be in the US in order to satisfy Obama's 'Buy America' policy. Thank Obama for this one...


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