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70 should be the new 65 to ease pension crunch: study

The growth of Canada's labour force will slow to a crawl over the next two decades as an increasing number of baby boomers leave their working days behind, according to a projection by Statistics Canada. Part one in a series: Baby boomers continuing to work past 65.
The growth of Canada's labour force will slow to a crawl over the next two decades as an increasing number of baby boomers leave their working days behind, according to a projection by Statistics Canada.

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Date: Thursday Jan. 26, 2012 6:38 PM ET

Canada should consider upping the age when public pensions kick-in to help offset ballooning expenditures from an aging population, a new study suggests.

Currently, when Canadians turn 65 they become eligible to collect payments from the Canadian Pension Plan. But two economists from Hamilton's McMaster University say that the eligibility age should be raised to 70 because of longer life spans and a crunch in public money.

"The major factor is the aging of the baby boom generation," said study co-author Byron Spencer in a release.

According to statistical predictions, by 2035, there will be two workers for every person over the age of 65. Today, that ratio is four-to-one.

In the study, Spencer and his co-author Frank Denton suggest that Canada should gradually raise the pension age by five years, which could cut projected pension expenditures in half.

"There would be some resistance from the general public, but less so if the transition was done gradually," said Spencer.

The authors point to demographics and the extended life expectancy of Canadians as key indicators.

Since CPP was brought in back in 1966, the life spans of Canadian men and women have increased by 10 and eight years respectively, the authors said.

But that's not the only thing causing a cash crunch.

"Even though they're living longer, Canadians are retiring at younger ages and spending more of their lives in retirement," the authors said.

The study said similar proposals for raising pension eligibilities are being considered in Europe and the United States.

However, groups advocating for older Canadians have stated that CPP needs to be boosted because governments will eventually have to pay out larger sums for the Guaranteed Income Supplement and Old Age Security.

Both GIS and OAS are seen as key reasons why poverty among seniors in Canada is relatively low.

That concern was echoed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Thursday, who said that OAS could cause a serious financial burden in the coming decades as Canadians age.

"Our demographics also constitute a threat to the social programs and services that Canadians cherish," Harper said at the Davos at the World Economic Forum in Switzerland.

But he added that the Canada Pension Plan "does not need to be changed" since it is already fully funded.

Ted Menzies, who is the parliamentary secretary to Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, noted that many potential cost-saving plans are on the table.

"We're looking at the whole thing as a package and there will be some recommendations," Menzies told The Canadian Press.

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Laura
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Right, I'll wait til 70 when Harper and fellow fatcat cons give up theirs. This is a dangerous guy.....isn't he described as one of the signs of the apocalypse...........lolol


Freddy
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I have worked hard all my life and now in my late 50's and heath is going down hill.I know and my doctor knows I'll never work till I'm 70 and to be honest none of us should have to. We might all wish we could but lets get real people. I for one know most people love dear Dad and Mom and I for one wouldn't want to see them working at 70.I couldn't imagine walking in to a factory or on a working vessel seeing my Grandfather still fishing on the banks or serveing me food over a counter.Smarten up you people have an education its takes common sence to figure that out


Skitty
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I am 64 and my wife and I are recently retired. We spent 4 decades working for our retirement and can't imagine working till 70 and still being healthy enough for a quality retirement. Everyone deserves their "golden years" and even if you are only 30 you would be depressed thinking you would not get yours.


Gerald
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So Daryl, what's your problem with being served a cup of coffee by a 70 year old ? Maybe they want to keep busy or maybe they need the extra cash. I'm all ears >


Darlyne
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What happened to all the money we contributed for the last 50 years? We were not such a burden when we were the 'big' group handing it over...


Garry
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This is a rip off for those nearing the age of retirement. What needs to be done is to cut back those that have extreemly ripped of tax payers with very high pension benifits. The pension plan was suppose to be to help those in old age to continue making a living, not to lavish the rich with with excessive comforts that others have no hope of having. (Start with our own MPs) Max pension benifits should not acceed the minimum of what is needed to make a living in our society. Most people on pension never even get close that anyway, and need other sourses to help them out.


Murray in Gatineau
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To Marle in Montreal.You may have to sling burgers somewhere. The pension fund cannot support the aging population.Cutting Government programs, slicing the Ottawa Senator's/MP's Pensions and providing glider's to the Canadian Forces will not be enough.We the Canadian Taxpayer's will have to dig in and do our share as we always do...


Exrayeye
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People forget that the Boomers have been paying in their pension for decades to support those who went before us and ourselves. Looks like the new breed doesn't think they should do the same to supplement what we have already built.


eddytoronto
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@Marie in Montreal ...Your Government does Not care about your dilemma...You better Work Lady because Your Pension is Not Yours Understand its the Governments...You will collect Your Pension after Your Dead Comprende?...Like Your leaders stated on Jul 1st 2009 ... Addressing a massive Canada Day crowd Prime Minister Stephen Harper said Canadians have faced a challenging year but are a strong and resilient....He went on and said: We are a product of diverse peoples from all corners of the Earth but committed to common values a country that cherishes freedom, democracy and justice a country proud of our past and confident of our future...I eddytoronto have said many times They Are Not My Leaders


Amber
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Yeah ok so were going to hand more free money to the natives because they bitch and whine but those of us who have worked hard our entire lives are going to be told no you have to work longer before we will give you a cent so hopefully your burn yourself out and die first? Where did this "live longer" bull come from? Both my grand fathers died in their 50s before I was even born and my grand mothers died one before she hit 70 and one at 73...how about you start taking care of our elderly instead of the free loaders government!


Philip
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CPP is a investment finance company that is supposed to minimize risks with citizens' money, but they have increased risks significantly since the old days when they bought bonds that were strictly approved by the government. More money needs to be pumped in to cover the highly paid finance people for losses on the stock market and US sub-prime mortgages probably as well, but there will also be a mismatch from pension payments and obligations in the future due to lower birth rates and longer life spans. The Liberals have legalized and encouraged a lot of things that reduce the birth rate, such as abortions, more marriage break-ups, etc.. They generally support the ideas of the Frankfurt school of freudian-marxism that deliberately try to make lower birth rates in western countries (lots of promiscuity, but no children) and to break up the traditional patriarchal family, which they see as an expression of fascism, according to their so-called social theories (even though fascism was only invented during the 1920's in Italy, but traditional families predate that by thousands of years). They also do not like to be criticized, but it is the cornerstone of their ideology to criticize everything else with their so-called "Critical Theory," taught by left-wing professors in many universities, often as part of "Cultural Studies," and other "studies." In the Netherlands, they are reducing some of the existing government and other pensions already, because the funds to not have enough money, probably due to losses on investments, and in other countries in Europe they are increasing the pension age.


Jaid in Toronto
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If anything, once the baby boomers are gone, the echoes will be repeating it (set back to 65 then raise to 70) because it is something that even the boomers know should not happen in the future.


Evelyn
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Some of us look forward to ending our long working years at 65 not 70, especially when we don't have a private pension plan. There are many other areas that can be cut, not our vulnerable seniors. Just because they are living longer, it doesn't mean the quality of their health is better.


working in Kemptville
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70 you say ! OK, but then you have to consider giving those people who retire at 70 something in return. Maybe those who are willing to wait until 70 should get a major increase in credits on their tax returns from the ages of 65 to 69. I'd go for that - this way I get more money in my pocket even though I have to work. Nah - it'll never fly - I was having a moment !!


Sandra Reyn
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I worked before maternity leave, before unemployment insurance for maternity leave, etc.,etc., and I am still working as I approach a year and a half before my CPP and OAP kick in just to hear that they are considering raising the age limit to 70? I have no choice in belonging to the "boomer" group but I have never been a stranger to hard work and have never been given or expected a hand out. As the good news keeps coming at us I can't help but wonder why they don't just take us out and shoot us instead and put us out of our miseries!


Don
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Come hell or high water, I'm retiring on my 65th birthday


eddytoronto
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Please understand My Fellow Canadians that Your pensions will be worthless....The funds are NOT there You Must Accept this NOW it will hurt much less in the comming months....I think people really dont understand what is happening....If you dont prepare Now I can promise You that Poverty is in Your Future...Stop depending on Your Govenment to take care of You....


Dan
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Granted we maybe living an additioal 10 years but the study doesn't indicate what quality of life we get in that 10 years. Is it a new tpye of medication that eases suffering or prolongs life? I am aware that some of us want to continue in the workforce beyond 65 and that's great if they can. What about the many that who become inflicted with ailments as we progress to retirement years? Do they have to continue to work after paying into a plan all their lives under the guise that they could retire at 65 with a pension?


merlin
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it is fine for people who work for the Federal Government who get a big Pension but you have to think of the average worker who paid in all those years and when they get to be 65 get a pittance from the Government--I myself get les than 1,000 dollars a month so how can you wait until 70 to collect--People are not saving as they cannot afford to save everything cost to much nowadays.
There will be a lot of very poor seniors.
There would not be a lot of baby boomers if they would have had birth control pills sooner


Merlin
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Well what about all the people that immigrated to Canada ? some immigrants that came over at age ""65"" can claim full pension after becoming a canadain citizen and be here for 10 years.They have never paid one cent into the pension plain but get a full pension in 10 years.???Believe it or Not !


AV
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how about get rid of CPP all together and let me keep my 200$ contribution a month now to help pay for something that will never be there when I retire in 2031.

I would take that 200 money and invest it in something else for me and no I will have money that I give the government.




George Thompson
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Baloney. The pension plan was adjusted so that actuarial studies show it is well equipped to meet the needs of canadians for the next 75 years. Well over a hundred billion dollars in the plan is its most vital sign. The suggestion to think we need to become misers is the all too prevalent view pushed on us to see ourselves only as consumers or economic beings. It is we the people who have created this wealth and despite the study authors, the plan is sustainable.


fsc
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so are they planning to build a lane for wheelchairs for the 65+ to commute to work?


graydon
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Never mind the BS from the so called financial experts & government..what I want to know:How much is collect each year in CPP premiums?How is it invested?How long has CPP been collected?How much is in the pot? (I am guess Billions?)How much is paid out now to pensioners?How much will be needed over time?---How much is spent on welfare and UIC?How much is 'given away' to other countries?How much is wasted?---Now tell me what your plan is!


jrayj
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Well I have been retired now since 2000 I am 72 years old, and what I receive from my pension has never allowed me to actually retire, I will have to work till the day I die I am not complaining because I like working it keeps me young, but most baby boomers that will retire soon from large companies and government jobs will have adequate pensions, some in the 5 to 6 thousand a month range, unfortunately there are a lot more people like me out there than them.


Janice
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The government has known FULL WELL for YEARS about all of the babyboomers. We have also been paying into the pension plans for many years. These plans were not supposed to be robbed by the government either. Boomers did not suddenly fall out of the sky and now we have this "problem" We have been here watching wasteful money practises And WE STILL VOTE!!!!


M. Moran
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I'd like to enjoy some of my hard earned retirement time before I can no longer enjoy it. My health won't make it to 70. Want to cut something, cut welfare spending, I've been supporting people who don't work for years.


J.C.
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How nice of these two economists who are making a good wage to state that many seniors are not in poverty. I beg to differ. Only those who did not get impacted through several recessions since the 80's would be living quite well and of course many who likely made the larger salaries etc.I am also wondering how old these fellows are that are making these recommendations. It seems that the younger generation today have little care for those who are seniors. Many seniors cannot afford to retire and often work several days a week or more just to sustain themselves even as their health may not be up to it.. Many do without a lot as their income is so limited, and often do not eat properly as they cannot afford to. How much more do they want to take from these seniors?? Should some seniors die before they can qualify? Not all seniors made big bucks during their lifetime, and do not have lots of money put away. What will they live on if their health does not make it to the 70 mark?


Kaye
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I am 54 years old and have just finished 1.5 years of cancer treatment. My health would not permit me to work until 70 I am certain but then again, they do not mind if people retire, they will just simply not start to pay Canada Pension until age 70 and that is not fare to us who have been working for already over 37 years .... numbers of people collecting at 70 will be reduced however if cancer keeps killing as many people as it does.


rec116
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I am 35 years old. Twenty years ago, it was forecasted that my generation would take $1 for every $10 we put into CPP. It is broken. It has been broken for years and everyone knows it, but no one has pushed the Federal Govt to act on it. The public pension today is so meager that seniors need to work anyway to supliament their income if they didnt save enough or have a private pension while they were working.


TheOtherLowellInBC
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i was planning on working until I am 70. Retiring at 65 is just a myth and very few people can afford it except the very rich.


Daryl
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"There would be some resistence from the general public". More like civil war is you ask me. We have known for 50 years when the baby boomers would be retiring and had ample time to prepare. And besides, do you really want a 70 year old serving you at McDonalds?


RaymondA
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I have a better idea to free up money for Canada's Pensioners and the tens of millions who want to see health care protected. It's called prioritization and it's a word neither the Provincial Governments nor the current Federal Government seem to understand. These are the only two programs(Pension income and health care) that will affect all Canadians. All Canadians want to see them protected for themselves and for their grandchildren. They are both part of our national psyche; what makes us distinctly Canadian and different from those who pray only at the altar of Bay Street and its American counterpart. The money should come from significant cuts in the military and other federal spending programs which contribute little to our quality of life (read bilingualism and multiculturalism) and from a clinical review of the costs/benefits of all Government spending programs by all Auditors General. Let's cut out the BS from the Governments right wing friends and do what's right and what's logical.


R. Peddle
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I think that raising the pension age to seventy is OK so long as ALL the government pensions, both MPs' and civil service, are raised first, to set the example, so to speak!


Marie in Montreal
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My husband and I are 52 and, of course, baby boomers.There is no way we will work until 70. We would sell our house first to finance retiring at 60. I know that people of my generation love to consider themselves younger than they are but my husband has already been touched by ill-- health and so we don't think of ourselves as invincible. Working till 70, I think not!


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