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Is the Liberal Party dead and buried?

Liberal party interim leader Bob Rae speaks to reporters during the annual gay pride parade in Montreal, Sunday, Aug. 14, 2011. (Graham Hughes / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Rob Rae, surrounded by members of the Liberal caucus, speaks to reporters on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2011.
Liberal party interim leader Bob Rae speaks to reporters during the annual gay pride parade in Montreal, Sunday, Aug. 14, 2011. (Graham Hughes / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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It's pretty simple to me why the Liberal party of Canada is dead. The best they could do in the last election was Iggy. How about some reason and logic. This guy disappears for 34 years, is handed the leadership without a convention and says to everyone, hey vote for me. Can you imagine this taking place in the United States of America? Wake up people!

Brett in Montreal.

Is the Liberal Party dead and buried?

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Is the Liberal Party dead and buried?

Date: Wednesday Dec. 28, 2011 7:25 AM ET

TORONTO — Unlike sports, politics isn't a very fair game.

In North American sports, when a team has a terrible season they are rewarded with a high draft pick, and the promise of a better, bright future. By that measure, the 2011 Liberals deserve a first round draft pick with Sidney Crosby potential.

Under Michael Ignatieff, the Liberals suffered the worst defeat in their history, dropping to an all-time low of 34 seats in May's election.

Canada's Liberals were arguably the most successful political party in Western democracy in the 20th century. They are starting the 21st century on the cusp of irrelevance at best, and facing extinction at worst.

In his latest book, "When The Gods Changed," Canadian journalism giant Peter C. Newman all but declares the Liberal Party dead and buried. It's been a mere 10 years since people earnestly called the Grits the "Natural Governing Party" and it seemed a reasonable observation.

When Newman started his book it was intended to chronicle the rise of Ignatieff to the Prime Minister's Office. Instead, he concluded there is no country for the old Liberal Party anymore.

"There are no natural leaders in the party. That's the problem: No leader, no money, no power base, and a track record of losing 30 seats each in the last four elections," Newman said in an email interview. "At that rate, after the next campaign in 2015, they will have four seats, just enough for a game of bridge before they turn off the lights and go home."

Many have been quick to lay the historic defeat at the feet of Ignatieff but Newman sees the defeat as a result of systematic long-term, failures within the party. The Liberals had given up on the West long ago, and watched Quebec slip away over the past two decades. In the last election even Fortress Toronto was breached, leaving the Liberals only with a moderate power base south of the 401.

The party was weighed down by its bureaucratic workings, siphoning money unnecessarily. In his book, Newman quotes a senior Liberal strategist who says the Liberals had $23 million in their coffers for the last election. But much of that money was lost to the bureaucracy, gone to ensure each Liberal fiefdom got its piece of the fiscal pie.

Lastly, Newman says the Liberals, the so-called party of the middle road, has become a party bereft of ideas, clinging instead to the shrinking middle.

But still, it was just Iggy, right?

Then again, it's hard to underestimate the power of "The Ads." If you watch television you remember the series. "Michael Ignatieff. Just visiting." Or "He didn't come back for you." It was brilliantly effective.

"Every second door I heard that last election," P.E.I. Liberal MP Wayne Easter said in a telephone interview. "People never got in-depth into any of the policy areas, they just took the negative image that was defined by the Harper crowd.

"It's a new kind of politics that we've never caught on to, obviously."

It seems like every election, we hear how Canadians don't like negative campaign ads, but the evidence suggests they were clearly effective.

"Negative campaigns always work, their repetition and some of the slogans were clever and never answered," Newman said. "How could (Ignatieff) deny, for example, that he came home out of ambition to become prime minister?"

Easter, one of the few Liberals left in the House of Common who was first elected under Jean Chretien's big red tent in 1993, sounds awfully frustrated with the current state of politicking.

"I have one major criticism in terms of elections in this day and age – nobody knew any party's policy, which is a sad thing," he said. "You expect people to vote on policy but they don't really do that, they vote on perception, they vote on image and we're going to have to do that as well.

"I personally think we had the best election platform that we've had since 1993. It was an election platform that many Canadians citizens should have been able to identify with, but they didn't. They didn't know it."

Yes, the Liberals' policies. They were for corporate tax cuts right? No, they were against them. It's a bit foggy, ain't it? At least you can remember the Green Shift.

Even the much-reviled leadership of Stephane Dion got better results than the enigmatic Ignatieff. There must be something Ignatieff did wrong.

"Although he had a stellar reputation as a generator of ideas, this was not on display during the campaign," Newman said. "Nor was there a single memorable quote that will survive his caper in the political jungle. Yet words were his business."

This was never more on display than during the English-language leader's debate, when the late Jack Layton skewered Ignatieff on his poor attendance in the House of Commons.

Ignatieff, a Harvard professor and an experienced television debater, should have easily been able to shut down the attack.

"I'm actually out there actually talking to Canadians, while you are just a professional politician," he could have responded to Layton.

Instead he smiled and kept to his script, while the Liberals went off the script that had them being one of the two top parties in this country since Confederation.

Can the Liberals turn it around?

If one needs proof of life in those old bones, it's that promising young people such as 20-year-old Zach Paikin still believe they can advance their careers through the Liberal Party.

Paikin, whose lanky frame and baby face don't help the perception he is still in high school, is running for the position of national policy chair for the federal Liberal party at the party's convention in Ottawa in January. He's already secured a number of high-profile endorsements including Liberal House Leader Marc Garneau.

A fast-talker with an impressive recall for Canadian political history, Paikin's indictment of his own party is nearly as damning as Newman's.

"It's not the leadership, three elections in a row we've lost under three different leaders," he said during a lengthy telephone interview. "Looking at the last several decades of Liberal history, we've been on a general decline.

"Traditionally, you need two of three regions (the West, Ontario and Quebec) of the country in order to win," he adds. "We've progressively lost control of each region.

"We've contented ourselves as being the ‘natural governing party,' we've contented ourselves with being supported by smaller and smaller segments of the country. That attitude has to change."

Among Paikin's solutions; apologizing to the West for Pierre Trudeau's National Energy Program, creating a Liberal think tank, and outflanking the right on tax cuts and the left on the environment.

But he also has one solution to the Liberals problems that may seem antithetical to the party faithful – become more like the Conservatives.

"The Conservatives message very effectively and talk to (voters) on issues that matter to them," Paikin said, noting the Tories' use of targeting voters on wedge issues.

"The Conservatives have mastered how to message extremely effectively in this era. They have a message they repeat over and over and over again. We have to start changing the culture of(our) party to allow for strategic messaging. We've got to realize you can have different, but non-contrary messages to various segments of the population."

Easter sounds a similar note to Paikin's, but with a touch of weariness about the solution.

"One thing I have to say about the Liberals is that we actually think that we make a reasoned argument and people will eventually understand that reasoned argument," he said, putting drawn-out emphasis on "reasoned" twice.

"This is not a time of reasoned argument. It's a time of catchphrase, of simplicity. You just look at the way this government operates."

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Alan
said

Firstly there still seems to be a lot of old Liberals that still write in to the comments section of the local paper or to the online comments so it indicates there is a pulse.The Liberal fortunes will rise on the demise of the NDP. There is no doubt there is a need for young minds in the party and that doesn't include Justin Trudeau whose arrogance may just not work on this generation of voters. Bob Rae is fine as a stopgap but his days should be numbered because he carries far too much baggage.


MarcO
said

In my opinion, if the Liberal Party is to survive it will need to be completely gutted from all the 'old guard' members and be rebuilt from the ground up with a new, charismatic leader with new ideas, new policies, and new supporters. It will have to be a revitalized, reconstructed party that will take initiative, appeal to young voters, the working class and the grassroots. A rebranding of the party as perhaps "The New Liberals" would help too.Failing that, stick a fork in the Liberals - they're done.


SDCinNS
said

This is no surprise - Canada is just slow. Liberalism, as a movement, is in decline around the world. Liberalism/socialism has decimated the economies of Europe. The only European country with a sound economy is Germany - who never went down the socialism road very far. The Liberal notion that you can overspend and borrow the difference indefinitely has been exposed for what it is - a financial house of cards that is destined for collapse. I'm not certain that Canadians won't yet again fall for a party that promises them goodies on borrowed money - but I'm thankful we're at least temporarily heading down a different road. Which is of course why we have a decent economy at the moment.


93robbied
said

What drives me nuts is the left-wing media typically calls the Consright-wing, the NDP left-leaning, and the Libs centrist. Originally under the 2 party system the Cons were right and the Liberals left. When the NDP came into the picture, it gave the APPEARANCE that Libs were centrist. What we have is right, left, extreme left. Cons are slowly creaping left tho and that concerns me Trudeau was worst prime minister ever, and his son taking over terrifies me. He may be worse from what I've seen. Oh Canada.


Clarington Bob
said

Very poor leadership X2,horrendous economic policies,ultra leftwing philosophies and a foolish,equally wrong gun control agenda has killed the Liberal Party of Canada. Suburban and rural Canadians will NEVER trust them,again. Their philosophies MUST take a "quantum leap" right to the center.....and stay there before Canadians will even start to take them seriously.


Maple Leaf Forever
said

The Liberals suffered the same self-inflicted fate that many other parties/regimes have after too long in power: HUBRIS. Their self-centred sense of entitlement -- coupled with AWFUL choices for their last two leaders -- and HUGE lies in their campaign promises (remember Jean Cretin's "I'll eliminate da GST!" ??) put them out on the scrap heap....where they richly belong. They truly became the unprincipled whores of Canadian politics.


Gord.,Nova Scotia
said

With Bob Rae as leader the Liberals will fail in the next election....those of us who lived in Ontario when Rae was Premier have a good memory.....Bob give up you do not have what it takes....the Liberals will not rise again until they rebuild and the "good ol boys" retire.


SDCinNS
said

Sure.. they look dead. But so did the Conservatives with only 2 seats in the early 90s. Politicians "rise from the dead" quite often. Which.. also explains why they're a bunch of zombies?


James T.
said

There is one reason I wish I was a Liberal insider. Word round the campfire is that Iggy does one heck of an impression of The Count from "Sesame Street." I'd sure like to see that.


RGB
said

Say what you want, our best Prime Ministers were business people, not philosophers... I know I'm out on a limb, but think of Mulroney: GST, NAFTA, got us ahead in a shrinking world, think of Martin: we were debt free... Something to say about business people, like their personality or not is not the point, it's the actions that count.


eddytoronto
said

Please understand they are all puppets...They have No Shame....They will eventually be tried,Jailed and all their familes wealth confiscated...Catastrophic just is not sufficient to describe what is happening...


Keith Fisher
said

After reading Easter's comments, I'm wondering if he was present during the last federal election. After reading Paikin's comments, I'm wondering who spoon-fed him these platitudes. Throw the entitled one, Justin Trudeau, into the mix and you've got exactly what's wrong with the federal Liberal party right in front of you. Excellent. The current federal gov't will have all the time it needs to undo the past 40 years of nonsensical liberal social experimentation.


Dano
said

The Latte Liberals still believe in entitlements rather than in policy.


Lockerius
said

First off, I am a conservative. But let me add my 2 cents.As specified in the article, the Liberals have to win two of three major areas, the west, Ontario and Quebec. West? Forget it, conservative land. Quebec? Possible, if they can wrest control from the flagging NDP and hold off any possible resurgence of the Bloc. Ontario? Not if you elect Bob Rae leader. You will never win Ontario with him at the helm, too many of us Ontarians lived under his rule.So, they Liberals aren't dead. They are just on life support with a gloomy future.


Dave
said

What nonsense. Everyone counted the Tories out after they were reduced to two seats in the Commons. Don't forget that the Liberals still have an organization, members in the Senate, and strong roots in the provinces, forming governments in several of them. I guess their only problem is that they don't have my - or many other - votes.


Raj
said

I don't think we have a need for them.We have the lefties, the Conservatives are right in the middle. Two part system would be great/The NDP and the libbies are a little apart, but its nothing to do with the party. The libs shot themselves in the foot years ago, its come back to bite them


KC BC
said

It looks like a very cold and cloudy "Dawn" for the Liberal party. I agree with those below that it is a sign of the times where populations all over the world have had to swing right. Now is the time to tighten belts, pay down debt, and get the house in order. It looks like individuals as well as nations are in for a tough few (hopefully) years. The Liberals and NDP are basically the same thing with the more recent leadership. This is most unfortunate. Go back to the centre and rebuild a centrist party or merge with the loons a bit further left. I have on occasion voted Liberal in the past, but would not go anywhere close now that they are totally socialist. Go Con hacks! Ha.


Jack @ Ottawa
said

If Bob Rae & the other old tired warhorses stay at the helm, prepare the funeral arrangements.


Corrupt to the core
said

Liberals are ideological and social neanderthals without any moral compass who used special interest groups and immigrants to create artificial support for themselves. Today most immigrants and new Canadians see how they were being politically manipulated by the Liberals and refuse to support them now. Special interest groups still control much of Liberal policy making as seen in Ontario's repressive Bill 12/13. They are corrupt to the core.


JB in Ontario
said

Yes, the Liberal Party is dead and buried.


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

The "Liberal Party", as a registered party in Canada , is alive, and will remain so. The Liberal Organization is "DEAD", & no member in the HoC today can bring this party to its past days of glory. When they put their interim leader as Bob Rae it showed Canada they have no grip on "Building the Party". There convention in January will be a true picture of their prospects to revitalize under a "REAL LEADER". Mr. Prime Minister keep up the good work and your leadership is secure for a long time.


middleroad
said

History is a wonderful teacher. The CPC got its absolute power that it coveted so much. But, like always, before long, they will put the country on the path to destruction, and some form of a central-leftist party will swoop in after a massive electoral victory to clean up the mess. Oh how the lowest common denominator of the masses can be won over by some negative ads and a promise of a better tomorrow.


Northern Princess
said

Regardless if the Lieberals have new blood, whether they say 'we've changed', whether they say 'we listened to the Canadians' or whatever, it will be very very very difficult to ever trust them again. Remember the old adage 'once trust is gone, there's nothing left'. Too many lies in the past that have come to light, too many Canadians felt the Liebs' entitlement, etc have sickened Canadians. The fact that there is still money owing to the Canadians from the ADSCAM scandal doesn't help.No, I see another majority for the Conservatives as the Lieberals try to re-invent themselves and the NDP try to get their act in gear without Layton.I used to be a Liberal as my recollection of politics started with Trudeau. I didn't understand much about it, so I stuck with Liberals. As I grew older and started understanding more and more about it, I was feeling not listened to as the Liberals were doing everything I was against.Sorry Lieberals, you lost my vote for a long long time.


Robert B
said

Thats what happens to a party who thinks giving out money to win votes and stick to self serving agendas that do nothing for the voters, hey we are not all dumb like sticks.May they find happiness as these liberals wander the sands of the worlds political deserts.


Don in BC
said

Keep second guessing yourself into thinking that the public are dumb enough to be swayed by catch phrases and you will slink into obscurity.The public is not stupid these days. They recognize the pigs at the trough doing nothing. Cretien started the Liberal slide and he passed it on to his successors. The Liberal Party red book is old and tatered. Write a new one, one with good ideas and stop trying to "fool" the public if you want to be around in 10 years. Otherwise, goodbye.


Bryn in BC
said

I don't believe the Liberal Party is dead. I think it's just that Canadians want someone who actually believes in SOMETHING other than the middle of the road.Canadians have all but given up their Christmas because of the Liberals' center of the road policies, and they don't want to give up any more.Canadians want someone who'll stand up for them, not for irrelevant ideals, which is why Harper won his majority this last time.The Liberals can turn things around if they start caring about Joe Canadian, rather than political correctness. We'll see if they can.


Steve and Wendy
said

We agree with those who are saying the reason the Liberal party is not dead is because the Progressive Conservative party was thought to be dead and look at them now! They were taken over by the Alliance Party...aka Reform...and then re-named as the Conservative Party! Hah! So all that needs to happen is the creation of a grass roots Liberal Party, built up from individuals, who (like the Reform party) gradually get elected one MP at a time to become the Official Oppostion, and then amalgamate with the old Liberal Party to from the Government of Canada!


Daniel in Ottawa
said

Of course all the right-wing liberal-haters are out in force on this issue. Sorry to disappoint you, but the right-wing resurgency is temporary. Hard to believe now, with Harper making comments about the Cons being the new "natural governing party", but bottom-line is that people will (again) tire of the Conservative's antics, and will eventually look for an alternative (which is EXACTLY what just happened to the Liberals, btw). The NDP won't cut it, and I expect it's them that are in danger after the next election, as their fortunes fall back to historic levels. The Liberals will be back - all they need is a new leader who is charismatic, and who isn't named Bob Rae. My prediction is that Stephen Harper will leave the Conservative party in the same state that Brian Mulroney did (he is, after all, making all the same mistakes).


George
said

Only those wearing tin foil hats think the liberal party is dead, that's the 25% of eligible voters that voted them in. The Harper's neo-con reformers will get the boot next election with a land slide liberal majority. You can take that to the bank!


harry
said

the liberal party is not dead, it however is on life support. It has been hurt by scandles and infighting. Wheather or not it can come back will depend on a if Bob Rea, Justin Trudea and others can convince the Canadian public that ther party is still viable. recent polls have shown that the Orange wave died with Jack Lawton and that there is no one in the NDP who as anywhere near his character and ability. This leave the door open to the Liberal party to fill the gap that will be left. It they can do that then the party will come back.


mikel
said

Deciding to turn into the NDP, was step 1. Baiting Ontario to hate Alberta and Saskatchewan was step 2. Being the most corrupt party in the history of Canada was step 3.


Ken from Summerland
said

I sure hope they are. If so, perhaps their rising star Justin Trudeau will show his true colours and run for the NDP.


James
said

People said the Cons were dead after Mulroney nearly bankrupted the country. Harper is following in his footsteps and the Liberals will wind up more powerful than ever before. Thanks Stevie, we couldn't do it without you!


lc
said

@Libs, Stay Away, Please!:Yes how tragic it would have been to have stated a national energy policy that would have enabled us today to be shipping finished products instead being on bended knee to the Americans to please pretty please let us build our pipeline.Some are so consumed by eastern Canada hate and big oil propaganda they can't see the forest for the trees.Want to see a nation that has a national energy and forest programs check out Finland.It is not the nightmare you have been led to believe by foreigners who have made billions off Albertan oil and BC lumber.


James, Ontario
said

I don't see how "he didn't come back for you" or "not a leader" is any worse than "hidden agenda." The smear campaign on Day was far more ruthless, thorough and effective than either campaign on Ignatieff or Dion. The Liberals have nothing to complain about but sweet poetic karma. In fact they were trying to reignite their tired slogan just weeks ago.


Pat
said

One thing about Conservatives, whether you love them or hate them, when they make campaign promises, they usually keep them This was what Mike Harris did...kept his promises. This is what Harper is doing...keeping his canpaign promises. For years, the Liberals have been relied on to break every promise they have made...think McGuinty in Ontario. Federally, in recent years, one is unable to remember just what they have been promising. Chretien was an exception...he broke just about every promise he made and there was Trudeau...enough about him. Iggy may have been a "great orator" for the University crowd but knew nothing about politics. Bob Rae is an old has-been NDPer...not much hope for the Libs.


Manitoba Dave
said

I would consider myself a-political, athough I do lean to the right. There are things about every party I like and things I don't (for instance I think we have a very weak Finance Minister...!) I just love watching the science of politics. I get a kick out of the Liberals lamenting the "Just Visiting" ads that the Cons ran and how they polish their halos and say they would never stoop to negative campaigns. Good grief! Remember the "hidden agenda" ad and the "there will be guns on our streets" scare? It worked and worked well for the Grits. In fact it worked so well Chretien just recently tried to infer again that the Cons have a hidden agenda..and they have a Majority. Funny! But they know some will pick up on that (like the guns in the streets) and at the ballot box vote Liberal..just cause. So fun to watch! Great time in politics.


Gerhard
said

I love how they blame the Conservatives for the current run of negative campaigns. The Liberals used to be the kings of negative campaigns using them to push aside Preston and then Stockwell by jumping up and down shouting "hidden agenda" every time some backbencher drifted off script. Now we have Steven "Control Freak" Harper who can play the game better than they can and they are crying about losing to the same games they used so effectively in the past.


Paul in BC
said

Apologizing to Western Canada for Trudeau would only be one step. Even more important: Stop misrepresenting nature - climate change occurs naturally. A capable liberal leader will have to be as tactical as Harper (or more so). The party will have to evict delusional pipe-dreamers. The electorates' needs are practical. Lots of people are facing grave financial survival threats, so now is not the time for puffy philosophy. Drop the luxurious philosophy and get serious about practical concerns. Be tactical rather than dreamy.


WJ
said

The tide comes in and the tide goes out. The national PC party was decimated under the leadership of Mulroney, but came back after re-inventing itself in a merger with the Reform party. The national Liberals need to find a way to similarly re-build. Get rid of the deadwood and has-beens, and start fresh from the ground up with new young talent and get back to Liberal roots/ideals.


albert
said

the liberal party is dead because the public got tired of the constant lies. Their downfall started with Trudeau's young offenders act, multiculturalism, the hated energy program, many rammed down our throats.. then came along Chretien, who promised to get rid of the gst. if elected, he lied, when he promised us his red book, which was another lie, the party's far left policies were almost communist, and let's not forget the the alienation of the west and Quebec . Then after all this we get Bob Rae????


Libs, Stay Away, Please!
said

Sure hope they are gone... for a long long time! I wonder how many people remember the NEP (National Energy Program) and FIRA (Foreign Investment Review Agency)? These are 2 agencies setup under Trudeau's reign that have have cost us many, many jobs, and until then Canada was also basically debt free!


Brian from Cambridge
said

The Liberal party as it was is dead based upon the last election. The Liberal name however will survive and needs to be reborn as did the Conservatives after their death. It is a world of change we live in and to survive requires change. I for one love change as it adds so much interest to life. Of short term interest will be the changes in the Conservative party to ensure their majority will continue on. They now have the absolute power they so desired and I hope they use it wisely.


David
said

Jim-Surrey - Well said!!


Intelligent Liberal
said

Famous author Mark Twain said: "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated". Although I guess he is dead now..... But the point is, the NEW Liberal Party of Canada is going to create a Liberal THINK TANK under the guidance of its youthful new leader Paikin. Plus by apologizing for Trudeau's NEP will obtain Alberta votes. And by increasing corporate tax cuts will obtain business votes. And producing policies that go further left than NDP, MUCH further, will obtain the left wing French votes. I can't wait until the next election and watch the Elimination of Harper.


FCS
said

Arrogance, entitlement and the enivitible rot that comes with them are what killed the Liberal party. That and a complete lack of any new ideas. Had they any sense of hubris the Libs may have noticed Canadians don't want a national daycare program or whatever multi billion dollar socialist program they always seem to break out at election time. The fact they are letting an ex-NDP'er Bob Rae run around as the face of the party shows they still don't have a clue.


lefty
said

The libs lost their base not because of going left but because they became clones of the corporate cons.Posters here claiming the libs have veered left when they slashed health care,did not refuse ONE foreign takeover in over a decade,implemented corporate tax cuts,waffled on Kyoto,embraced NAFTA and had yearly trade junkets to Asia prove this place is a hangout for Harper messengers who post drivel that has no touch with reality.Unbelievable!


NewMario
said

Do you remember the Conservative party after Brian Mal. ? Only three elected ? Well, now will be the Liberal: YES, LIBERAL WILL BE BACK AND WILL BE BACK STRONGEST THAN EVER. The Liberal Party still the best Party in Canada for democracy and freedom. I was, I am , I will be Liberal !


Marlin
said

There is a place for a centrist party but not one that openly disregards the West. Since the Trudeau years the Liberal party has been more of a regional party failing to consider western views and ideals.The comments section isn't large enough to list the specific failures of the Liberals but suffice to say they are probably done as a party of relevance.


joe civy
said

No party has a credible leader. If I do remember correctly only 40 % of Canadians voted? Capitalism is closing peoples minds and letting us exist only. A leader is needed and we are falling apart with only the bad being ramed down our throats. Fear is a strong motivation but fear is a reality for too many of us and it is getting worse. prepare for the good and the bad and hope for a medium. The Liberals arrogance has caught up to them and they don't know what to do. Try honesty and sincerety and maybe a platform can be built so all Canadians can be proud.


k
said

Bob Rae may have left the NDP but NDP policy did not leave Bob Rae. It is impossible to tell the difference between LPC and NDP policy and both parties share the left and will continue to do so while the NDP policy influence remains in the LPC.


Mike R.
said

I can't believe that, as we are getting close to 2012, some people (Jim-Surrey) are still bitching about the metric system. It's one of the best things they ever did. Only very few countries (3-4) still officially use the old awkward, antiquated system. The only reason it's still relevant is that the U.S. are too stubborn to join the rest of the planet.The Liberal Party needs to be rebuilt in one form or another. The NDP is far too much to the left to be a real viable alternative, the others are fringe parties, and we can't have just one party ruling the country for "eternity." Their reconstruction or reinvention won't be easy in these days of crass politics, however.


spaz
said

Where do I send the flowers ??


CraigW
said

Considering the Conservatives took only 2 seats and the NDP only 9 seats the year Cretien won his first election, I imagine they will survive.


rewjr
said

The Iron Lady had it right ....The librano socialist experiment has finally failed after running out of envelopes filled with other people's money .


Sage
said

It is not just Canadian Liberals in decline- Liberalism in the Western world is in decline as a political movement. Look at what liberalism/socialism has done to Europe.A country must create wealth to survive. We just cannot hinge our future on debt and borrowing.Also, in Canada, the conservatives are moving back more and more to the essential purposes of a "federal" government - defence, diplomacy, economy and leaving welfare and child-care to those are best able to administer these services, the provinces and the municipalities!!!Liberals just became too transparent at attempting to "buy" votes and lost support of the "workers"!!


dan
said

As long as they keep that big mouth idiot Bob Rae, they are finish. The liberal party better wake up soon and get rid of that liberal or is it NDP?


Salt and Vinegar
said

All they need is a leader with two things: honesty and integrity. But apparently these two words are not in the Liberal vocabulary.


bbrianburoo
said

.........i can hear the fat lady singing now!! and it ain"t pretty!


Paul Newtypeofliberal
said

Apologizing to Western Canada for Trudeau would only be one step. Even more important: Stop misrepresenting nature - climate change occurs naturally. A capable liberal leader will have to be as tactical as Harper (or more so). The party will have to evict delusional pipe-dreamers. The electorates' needs are practical. Lots of people are facing grave financial survival threats, so now is not the time for puffy philosophy. Drop the luxurious philosophy and get serious about practical concerns. Be tactical rather than dreamy.


Steve
said

I will never vote for the Liberal Party of Canada (LPC), but they are not completly dead. As bad as the record of the LPC is, the next four years will be a constant free fall for the NDP. The 2015 election will see the Conservatives re-elected with a stronger majority, and a Liberal opposition. Québecors voted for the late Mr. Layton, not the NDP. The NDP will lose about 30 seats in Quebec, and 15 of them will go to the LPC, and 7-8 going to the Tories and the Bloc. The Dippers are once again doomed to become the 3rd party representing urban Toronto and Vancouver. Rebuilding any opposition party will be a challenge after recent LPC campaigns, and the tradgic passing of Mr. Layton, and we are looking at a Strong, Stable, National, Conservative Majority Government for at least the next decade, hopefully much longer then that.


James T.
said

It's the NEP.In 1980 Pierre Elliott Trudeau stole two hundred billion dollars worth of The West's oil to buy votes in Ontario & Quebec. That's about a half-trillion dollars in today's money. The villain crippled The West's economy for a quarter of a century, just so he could rule us just a little while longer.The night Trudeau shuffled off his mortal coil, we celebrated. There were bonfires and wiener roasts and singing and dancing. I, personally, swilled back a bottle of pre-war Bollinger that was a gift from my late father that I was saving for my wedding night.Then Dion tries to rob us again with the NEP II - a.k.a. The Green Shaft. Sorry, mon frere - ain't gonna happen!The West is done with "the natural governing party" now, and forevermore!!!Begone with ye.


Gary from Ottawa
said

The problem with the Liberal party right now is they have no competent leadership. Look at the past few leaders...Dion, Michael Ignatieff. The Liberals of the past have always put forward charismatic leaders. Love or hate Trudeau, he had a sharp wit and would destroy people during debates. Until the Liberals can put forward a decent leader, the party will continue in its current funk. The recent success of the NDP will be short lived, as that was built on the leadership of Jack Layton. He is gone, and the NDP have no one to replace his charismatic leadership.The economy will dictate the next election. If the world economy goes down the crapper, Harper will go with it. Unemployed people always vote for change, regardless whether it is Harper's fault or not. That is the nature of politics.


Al
said

Overheard conversation: Why are you a Liberal? Because my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were Liberals. If all three were horse-thieves then you would be a horse thief too? Nope I would be Conservative then. Happy New Year everyone!


Norm in Ontario
said

Personally, I think it's time to get rid of this whole stupid governmental system.If Canada is to emerge into a world power, we should have world class leadership with a world class system in place, certainly not a rediculous system as we have now led by the "same old, same old" leaders.Time to totally re-vamp.


Dan in York
said

Like it or not the NDP's new found "popularity" was a cult formed around Mr. Layton and without him will collapse as we see it doing now.The Liberals have to make sure they select the right person to be the next Leader of the party, or they are doomed and hopefully that person has a pulse and isnt as stiff as steel like Iggy.The Liberals will regroup and again like it or not will rise again


Norm in Ontario
said

Liberal Party Dead? Hope so.Perhaps the next time Bob Rae crooses the floor, he should head for the door and close it on his way out.Ontario is still reeling from his term as Premier.


John
said

The Liberal party has gone to far to the left. The only people who want socialist govt is unions, radicals and welfare recipients. I have voted for both Liberals and Conservatives in the past and will continue to vote for who I think has the best platform. At the present time there is no-one, I repeat no-one other than the Conservatives that can run this country. he Liberal party will come back as soon as they move back to center or slightly to the right and the NDP will go back to their 20-30 traditional seats. One of the worst mistakes the Liberals could do is make another " just watch me" Trudeau as leader


Craig from NS
said

I do not think the Liberals are worse off than the Progressive Conservatives were in 1993. The conservatives only survived in the form of (C)onservative (R)eform (A)lliance (P)arty. We need to bring back some conservatives that have a clue. They have been pretty hard to come by since the late 1970's / early 1980's.


dano
said

when the PC were reduced to only a few seats when Kim Campbell got wooped, we all thought the Cons were dead right? there will always be a party on the left and on the right, whatever you want to call them. And if the left unites, the Cons may be in trouble. Its that simple.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

dawn: it is because of people like yourself the Liberals should die. We only need two political parties in Canada, left or right. Fence riders are useless in real life; more so in politics they are a waste of tax payers resources.


Liberal Supporter
said

The first thing the Liberal party must do is get rid of Bob Rae and send him to the back bench and tell him to keep his mouth shut. I am a Liberal and I would not vote Liberal with Rae at the helm. We need young blood in the party and I am not talking about young Trudeau either. He is just like his father and has no control over his temper. Again if he takes the reins I will vote PC because I remember the mess his father made of our country and I do not trust Justin. I feel it is going to take new young blood in the party, move back towards the center and stop talking and acting like the NDP. I feel it is going to take 5 to 8 years to rebuild the party and take power again.


Jim-Surrey
said

The Red is Dead in Canada after all the damage they did during their past terms in the drivers seat ruling Canada. From the implementation of a costly metric system to an uncontrolled influx of immigrants they destroyed Canada as Western country. We look more like an island full of refugees trying to find a home.It is pretty bad when the original population of Canada turns out to me a minority in their own birth country along with seeing all OUR tax dollars wasted on the immigrants that come here with nothing and then try and change the laws and customs of OUR land to suit them!!I can see the BC Libs joining the Fed Libs as a defunct party!!!!!!!


PCJ near Regina
said

I hope the Libs are gone...a worthless and dangerous party...


Joe Szentirmay
said

Politics first caught my attention during the Trudeau era. As a teenager I understood that something stunk about nationalising the medical profession.Of course, it is the gateway leading to the welfare state.State controlled medicine is the foundation of the socialist/communist experiment, and is still used to brainwash the Canadian public.The Liberals had quite a run, unfortunately, but the sooner they are dead and buried, the better off this country will be.


DM
said

Unfortunately I think he's right, in this day in age when you take the time to research and make decision based on evidence, fact and sound reasonning, nobody even looks at you. Just look at Harper, when was the last time he had any scientific data or logical reasonning to back up his decision? I don't think he has ever had any, and yet he's apparently super popular... I don't understand how any one supports a leader that can't use facts and evidence to support his decision. In fact Harper has tried to eliminate facts where ever he can find them (read: long form census).


George V.
said

The Conservatives will be a hard party to defeat within the forseeable future, as long as they keep their finger on the pulse, their ear to the ground, their eye on the future. Continue to engage the voters, what it is to be a Canadian and what is important to us. If they take the voters for granted, don't become complacent, if not the next election will be theirs to lose. To serve the people, every day will be hard work,a struggle and a battle. election victory will make it all worthwhile.


joe canada
said

The liberals are not going to survive with the way the party is going. Now that layton has passed away the two parties joining and sharing ideas is their best chance. A few years back the reform/conservatives had to join because they were both going nowhere, Look today they run the country. Now we have a reform party in sheeps clothing getting their reform ideas through parliment.


Ian Ottawa
said

They committed Political Suicide with Chretein as their French Mafia Leader. The only ones that don't think so are the ones who were making money of the Dreams and Schemes of the Liberal Party.


Young Blood - Ottawa
said

Anyone who is wanting the Liberal Party to come back and at least be Official Opposition need to get their heads out of their butts and see that the Party needs "young blood" .. otherwise will remain on life support. Bob Rae at the helm will not be the one to carry on and bring this party back..he is pushing 70 years old. Anyone in Ontario knows the mess as NDP Premier of Ontario will remain in the minds of voters if he thinks he can do the impossible. He needs to look into a mirror and see that there isn't one young person wanting to see this man as Leader.


justme
said

I am not a liberal as you know by my few posts. But I have voted for them in the past and I may again in the future I like to keep my mind open as well as my options. At this time I find the Liberals too far left of center as a party they are always trying to be proticially correct running around trying to please the minority groups (which is good to a point) but in the big picture they are pushing the home grown Canucks to the edge. Like I said I may vote for them again in the future if they stop listening to lawyers and start listening to Canadians again. In closing I wish them luck as we still need two party's in this country, just smarten up and keep a ear to the ground.


GUTSHOT!! in Thunder Bay
said

Its not just the Liberal party thats dead, its the whole leftist social engineering thats dead. Canada and the rest of the world is on a srastic swing to the right, and hopefully its not too late. The NDP will be dead next election. The Bloc will make a small comeback, and the Conservatives will remain dominant. The only bad thing will be when the Conservatives dont go right enough, and try to be the everything to everybody party.. which is what killed the Liberals. The greed partys have for power and votes is always their downfall. They stop listening to the voters and listen to their own tunes. As for the Liberals, the only thing left to do is have the funeral.


Terrence from Brampton
said

If the Liberals have any hope of reviving themselves they need to move back to the Center. They have become NDP light and have lacked any leadership or coherent policies for this country. There is no alternative choice for Canadians and with members like Bob Rae in the fold they stand no chance. Canadians need a Liberal party that is reasonable, in the Center of the political spectrum, and is willing to work with all of Canada. This belief that they are the Natural ruling party needs to stop. Get back to basics on policy and representatives and give Canadians a choice again.


Jon in London ON
said

I would be truly disappointed if the Liberal Party were to collapse. While the mindless intellectually soft drift over to the spoon fed pablum of lies "occupied" as "progressive liberalism" - I still feel that there is a place for the Grits to flourish. However - the Liberals must re-invent themselves - they cannot pursue a path of aimlessly wandering around attaching themselves to every political flavour of the week. That's for the NDP & Greeds. Sorry, Greens.


Brett in Montreal.
said

It's pretty simple to me why the Liberal party of Canada is dead. The best they could do in the last election was Iggy. How about some reason and logic. This guy disappears for 34 years, is handed the leadership without a convention and says to everyone, hey vote for me. Can you imagine this taking place in the United States of America? Wake up people!


dawn
said

in your dreams you con hacks...aka ctv news...doubt ya print this though..


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