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Allan Hubley, father of 15-year-old Jamie Hubley, appears on Canada AM from CTV studios in Ottawa, Thursday, Dec. 1, 2011. Ottawa councillor Allan Hubley lost his son James to suicide on Oct. 14, 2011. Gay teen suicide Ottawa James Hubley, the son of Kanata South city councillor Allan Hubley, died by suicide Friday, Oct. 14, 2011. He was 15 years old. Allan Hubley, father of 15-year-old Jamie Hubley, appears on Canada AM from CTV studios in Ottawa, Thursday, Dec. 1, 2011.

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Date: Thu. Dec. 1 2011 9:12 AM ET

A grieving Ottawa father of a teen who committed suicide says he supports proposed legislation that would allow Ontario schools to expel bullies, but also believes it is also important to understand what drives young people to torment others.

Allan Hubley is still mourning the loss of his 15-year-old son, Jamie, an Ottawa high school student who took his own life in October.

Jamie Hubley left an online farewell to friends and family, explaining that he could no longer bear the taunts and subsequent depression that he suffered as a result of being the only openly gay student in his high school.

In the wake of Jamie Hubley's tragic death, the Ontario government has announced new legislation that would allow schools to permanently expel students for bullying.

On Thursday, Hubley's father said he believed expulsion was only part of the solution to the wider bullying issue.

"I think expelling them is not the final answer, it's important to add that step to the levels of punishment," Allan Hubley told CTV's Canada AM on Thursday.

"But we've got to find out what's making these kids bully."

Hubley said it is his understanding that many bullies have problems at home, suggesting that there may be a need for social workers or police to probe the underlying causes in individual cases.

He suggested the legislation should aim to ensure that "somebody goes to that next step and finds out what's happening to these kids in their homes, making sure that the parents are aware that their kids are bullying and steps are taken to correct the behaviour."

The bill that the Ontario government has brought forward would also compel all schools to allow students to organize gay-straight clubs that promote tolerance.

Jamie Hubley had been trying to establish a similar club in his high school at the time of his death, his father said.

"He wanted a safe place in the school for kids to go," Allan Hubley said.

"I loved him so much for that caring for others that he had. And this bill will obviously help kids in school form clubs like that and I believe that's a nice tribute to my boy and what he was trying to do."

Hubley said the proposed legislation still needs tinkering and he is working with two Ottawa-area MPs to make it more effective.

"There's a lot in this bill that is good, but it is just the first step," he said.

The Ontario government's anti-bullying legislation comes in the same week that a Quebec teenager killed herself after being tormented by her schoolmates since she started high school.

Marjorie Raymond of Ste-Anne-des-Monts, Que., died Monday. She was 15 years old.

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@ Prof. Pye Chartt
said

You are a bully. You call people names, you deride other posters for their views, you polarize conversation and you believe supremely in your own supremacy on every matter put up for discussion. How fitting that you wrote what you did about bullying. You are a classic bully. A definite subject matter expert. Pot, meet kettle.


JW
said

Unfortunately one of the largest factors in bullying today is technology. It has been proven that people are much more likely to be nastier online than face-to-face and teenagers generally are unwilling to give up things like facebook and texting, which is where much of the most hurtful bullying takes place. Unfortunately, this means that simply banning these things at school is pretty much impossible.


avg joe civy
said

The Goverment IS the problem. AND the parents. My youngest had an issue with a bully, I gave the school 1 week or I'll end it. 1 Week later my son went to school with a bat. He has never been bullied again. THIS is not the true sollution but as a parent, END it and stop getting some one else to do your job. Getting involved will show your kids you love them. Also, how many know there School Board members. Get after them. They want 6 figure pay checks, give them 6 figure hell, work and home. It's you and your families expectations and beliefas of a system. Now it's your job to make it work.


David
said

I agree with giving the schools the ability to expel bullies, the more tools we give school officials the better. And I agree with looking at the home life of these kids. At my high school (way back in the 70s) the three biggest bullies I can remember all came from dysfunctional families to say the least. Coming from a small rural communities everyone knew everyone and these bullies all had abusive/alcoholic households. But we need more tools for the authorities to deal with the families not just the kids. Kids at my highschool had to fight the bullies til they stopped their behaviour and I doubt that solution would go over well today.


p3000g
said

Having come from a different educational system (India), I was surprised at the lack of disciplinary action in Canadian public schools.. In india, disciplinary actions are taken in schools for wide ranging set of actions including bullying, disturbing the class, cheating etc to name a few.. Disciplinary action included expulsion from class and school, demotion to a lower grade and also punitive fines .. Here , unfortunately the teachers hands are tied as nonne of these are allowed and are considered 'humiliating' to the bullies.. Sometimes, tough talk and disciplinary action deters potential bullies.. Hope the lawmakers realize this before many more lives are lost and others destroyed


Isabella
said

I think this legislation is a good beginning. However, I think parents of the bullies should take responsibility for their children who behave this way. Where are these parents?


Kojak
said

Education is the key to everything. Students should be in the auditorium, and there should be positive role models who are excellent communicators who can influence younger badass-wannabe youth. And not just once but several times per year. Explusion will only result in one party of another seeking firmer revenge on another. "Ed-u-cay-shun" will reward everybody.


Carol in NB
said

I see many valid points on here. I agree that expulsion will pretty much only allow the bullies free time at home, or continue the bullying off school property. Counselling is a moot issue, because all the bullies are going to do is either tell them some great sob story on one hand, or tell the counsellors what they want to hear on the other. Bullying an individual to the point of suicide should be treated as either manslaughter or murder. Jail (in max security) should not be discounted. I am a survivor of bullying all through grade school and high school, and my youngest daughter was also a victim of bullying, where administration did absolutely nothing except tout how they were so 'on anti-bullying'. I eventually told my daughter to 'haul off' if it came to that. Walking away didn't work. Something definitely has to be done in order for kids to not have to feel any less of a person because of differences or jealousy issues on the part of the bullier.


brigitteprid
said

I agree with Mr. Hubley, there is obviously something wrong in the home life, that said we had an incident with some bullies who thought smashing our mailbox was a way to get at our son, called the police told them who we suspected and they spoke to the parents of these bullies and one of the parents had the nerve to say she saw nothing wrong just boys being boys. As they say karma will get you in the end, live by the sword die by the sword. Sometimes these bullies have parents who don't want to admit their children have a problem. It should be treated as criminal act and thus they should be charged accordingly.


Original Canadien
said

Suspensions and expulsions are rewards. The kids love being told they don't need to go to school anymore.Bring back detention and possibly add in "chain gang" like instances were offenders paraded around the school from class to class whilst attached to one another much like prisoners would be.The reverse humiliation could be enough to render any rebelious child or bully very submisive - as all children should be to their elders.


Mike
said

This new law looks good on paper but it will do nothing in the school system. School boards in Ontario get $28 000 per student each year. Now if they were to expel on or more due to this new law, they would loose way to much money. So they will do everything they can to keep the kiids in school. Bulling in school hppends every day. Still nothing is being done to help the kids who are victims. They have a talk with the kids and then all is find. They did something to help Looks good on paper, they did something. But nothing changes. How do i know this you ask.....I woke in the school system. The greed of money controls everything. The only way this gov't can help change and help the kids is to put the school board on the line and find them for every reported incident of bulling in their schools. You hit them where it's important for them. In thier bank accounts. Then and only then will you see the school boards taking positive and effective action.But hey, what do i know. I just work in a school.


Kato
said

Instead of spending money on legislation to punish bullies, it would be better spent teaching victims of bullying how to deal with it. Maybe the schools should be required to create a Victims club where all those who have been victimized can stand up for each other. A bully will always back down when more than one person stands up.


Jackie Barrett
said

Although I was a victim of constant bullying when I was in junior high school, I believe that "cookie cutter" solutions like explusions, "zero tolerance related" suspensions, and other severe sanctions are not the solution."Zero tolerance" policies don't work as they can be easily abused. In fact, at one Nova Scotia junior high school, Georges P. Vanier Junior High, during the 1999-2000 school year, this policy was greatly abused as it didn't focus on violent behaviours, but normative and non-violent behaviours. For example, giving a student a "high five" or piggy back ride could get you suspended.Due to "zero tolerance" abuse, the Nova Scotia Government now makes them illegal, and their Nova Scotia School Code of Conduct even tells teachers and administrators which punishments can be given and which ones can not. Even collective responsibility punishments are prohibited.A good place to look for a bullying problem solution is research the Nova Scotia School Code of Conduct, and then the Ontario Government should develop the "Ontario School Code of Conduct".


Art in Alberta
said

**I work in the system -- your grammer and spelling mistakes speak volumes for the system you work in. The legislation doesn't suspend bullies, it expels them. What's the difference? Suspension is just a three to four day holiday away from school; I'd be surprised if all parents knew when their kids were suspended. Expulsion is not being allowed to return to school. I think this is a great start. The police should be involved and press charges for involuntary manslaughter and send these cowards to jail. That would send a strong message.


Truthfully
said

It is about time this issue got the attention it deserves. In the 70's I was beaten, taunted, humiliated and almost drowned by a bunch of morons and no one lifted a finger to help...not the teachers, not other students and not even my parents (who did not want to embarrass themselves by going to the school). I had no choice but to deal with it and look forward to leaving town after graduation...which I did. I somehow survived but honestly...my confidence has never been what it could have been and I have achieved less than what I was capable of. So, the cost of that bullying continues. Therapy is a joke and everyone makes light of the psychological scars...until now. Keep addressing this issue not only to save lives now but also to help make all of these kids normal productive citizens who are happy and confident.


J Stad
said

Zero Tolerance never works, hands are too tied. Perhaps lets go the far opposite, school assemblies of flogging the bullies. Show that if you hurt others we will hurt you...We need to teach love and respect, without doing it to avoid punishment or to gain reward...


avg joe civy
said

And where is CAS during all this? Yup, no where to be found? Just like the pendulum swing from left to right or what ever. There will be victums and bullies. Look at our goverments. Just Bullies who feel they are they world and we should worship that they will allow us to speak to them. Superman, where are you? And for you UFO belivers, they came, they saw no intellegent life, left.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Liberals believe in counseling and rehabilitation (which holds validity). Yet, in typical hypocritical fashion, owing to political correctness and the perceived need to jump on the political anti-bullying bandwagon, these same left-wing folk now suddenly believe that the harsh punishment (expulsion) of school kids engaged in wrongful behavior sounds tough, serious, and adequate. It's a disingenuously appeasing position. Bravo to Mr. Hubley for pointing out that it's a punitive measure, but, not the societal answer. Time for Ontario's Liberal government to become ideologically consistent on this issue, and quit merely pandering and being platitudinal. (Unfortunately, the liberalization of schools, the phony anti-bullying rhetoric and ineffectual programs, and the decreased fundamental "responsibility" of parents and their kids has complicated an intensifying issue that has deep roots.)


peggy
said

Bullying should be treated as a crime; there should be very clear consequences for those who bully. Expelling them from school is not enough.


David J
said

While I agree there needs to be consequences for bullying behaviour, expelling bullies from schools won't stop bullying -- it will only move it off school property.


Ivan
said

Call it what it is - Assault. If an adult did what some of these kids are doing, they would be charged. Children are killing themselves because of this - we are well past the 'kids will be kids' stage.


I work in the system
said

this knee jerk reaction on the part of the gov't is typical. first they get rid of the Harris "zero tolerance" in the schools, the bullies have free rein, and now they try to introduce a bill that will suspened the bully.Days off school to play video games and text with out supervision. Great idea! I am all for of the removal of the bully from the classroom, but I think isolation in a seperate part of the school with the expectation that they know what they did was wrong. An apology to the school it's self as well as to the community(parents of the bully will fight ths part tooth and nail)Giving a student a suspension with out follow up is like giving the student extra days off. The suspension may work as a removal tool, but in three days the bully is back in the school and will brag about the time away and look like a rebel..This bill is not thought out, nor tough enough to set the young person in a new direction. Only the bleeding hearts that work in the school system(I know a few) will like this idea.


Andrew
said

Speaking as someone who was bullied in school I support the rational behind this legislation, however, I do wonder how effective it will be. I remember when I was a youth and being bullied, the problem wasn't that the possible punishments weren't severe enough, it was that little, if any punishments were ever implemented. When I was being bullied, and when I worked up the nerve to complain, all the tormenters had to do was say that they were just "playing" or "goofing around", and nothing was meant by it. By all means make the punishment for bullying more severe, but what would be more useful is make the schools accountable and have them explain why NOTHING was done for these victims. That would have a better result.


David from Edmonton
said

Bullies who drive people to suicide are murderers and should be charged accordingly.


Gundula Baehre
said

I agree with Steve S, bullying is assault and should be approached as such (and bullying that leads to suicide should be seen as manslaughter, in my opinion). But also, while it is important to try to figure out what makes bullies, it is also important to not only make the bullies themselves, but if said bullies are minors, their parents and guardians criminally responsible for the actions of their children (and in many cases, school bullies learn to be bullies at home). And teachers, school administrators who look the other way, or worst of all, enable, support and/or even engage in bullying should also be facing the most severe legal consequences, as well as public naming and shaming. Yes, we need to combat bullying and maybe bullies need help at times as well, but most importantly we, as a society need to severely punish ALL BULLIES, and all those who choose to do nothing, or who promote, enable and support bullying (and bullying is not simply going to go away once children grow up, school yard bullies who face no consequences will more often than not turn into workplace bullies).


Gerald
said

Bullies are full of Bull, that's about it. A sleepover in a maximum security prison should take the steam out of them., or even spend a day with a couple of old friends of mine. A little harsh maybe but a little wake up call is a good thing.


Gerry
said

All bullies should be charged as criminals and jailed for their offences. Expelling them just allows them to pursue their victims after school.


River
said

My son was bullied to the point the police had to drive him home from school, and inspite of that the group of 5 continued to text death treats, burn our home down with us in it, ruin our cars, break my sons legs etc, and this was all due to a girl who made up stories because she "thought it was funny" to give my son a "bad time". These kids need more than to be expelled from school.


Willy sez..
said

What I see happening in society is that governments are enacting all kinds of laws in a vain attempt to regulate the evils emanating from the heart of man. When we lose our moral compass, chuck our spiritual roots under the bus and give the finger to all authority then we open the door to behaviour which no law will be able to tame. These laws are a toothless substitute for what is missing in society today which wasn't missing 50 years ago. You cannot legalize respect or the thought process. Laws breed rebellion and love breeds relationship and out of that relationship comes respect. Broken families are contributing to the lack of love leading to much of this rebellion. Follow the trail of flaws backwards and you will see society made some bad social choices in the 1970's under the government of the day and we are simply reaping what we have sown.


Many faces to bullies !
said

Bullying comes from the emotionally immature who have generally had a lack of discipline in their upbringing and never taught proper respect. That said there are other kinds o0f bullying such as how the media allows all manner of vicious diatribes against Jews and Christians yet would never allow the same against other religious groups. Who will address that kind of social corporate type bullying?


Ian of Calgary
said

We need to treat this issue of bullying and harassment with a better model than the current one of enforcement: it is far more recommendable to be preventative than reactive.


Bullies are like cock roaches
said

They both hate the light of day. The best way to cure a bully is to expose them in the community. Once everybody knows who and what they are and what they have been up to, their hate crimes will stop. Bullies ultimately are the result of a bad upbringing. Find a bully and I'll bet you a mortgage payment you have a kid who's father is a violent, abusive drunk or druggie. I have dealt with this myself. Messed up kids are the products of messed up families. Remember, the nuts fall under the tree. Exposing bullies will ultimately expose the root cause of their actions and if cock roaches hate exposure you can bet your arse a violent, abuse drunk or druggie doesn't want the truth about who and what they are exposed either. We need two things to occur with bullying. We need the action stopped and we need the behaviour corrected. Expelling bullies, while fulfilling the first action will only create an adult who is a violent, uneducated bully. To fulfill both actions, we need transparency and corrective action following the expulsion. Good first steps though


lee
said

This Father is absolutely right. In the same way social workers are arbitrarily brought in after too many visits to the ER, social workers should be mandatorily introduced to a family of a child that has documented cases of bullying at school. Prevent. You'll save more than one life. Bullying is a side effect of other problems, like the Father in this artical has said, help them overcome these struggles and they stop bullying and go on to have a productive life.


Steve_S
said

Bullying is Assault ! It should be treated as such as a minimum ! Should the bullying result in more, then it should be escalated from assault up severe levels of criminal charges. Additionally, there needs to be a mechanism to "retract" bullying materials from social sites etc as these are being used as extensions to continue bullying.


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