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Date: Tue. Nov. 29 2011 8:53 PM ET

Under a new joint Canada-U.S. border security plan both countries will be able to track the movement of cross-border travellers to crack down on citizenship fraud, illegal immigrants and war criminals living in North America.

But the new 32-point border plan, which will be signed by Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. President Barack Obama next week, is also raising privacy concerns over the amount of information that will be shared.

CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said the new arrangement will mean a greatly increased level of information will be exchanged daily between the two countries.

"What is going to be new is that every time someone comes into Canada or leaves they will be marked coming in or going out so we'll know exactly where they are," Fife told CTV's Canada AM.

"It will be the same when you enter the United States. If you go to the United States and show your passport to the Americans it will show that you've entered, they will send that information back to Canada and the same when you've exited."

Part of the goal, Fife said, is to keep better tabs on people who obtain landed immigrant status in Canada but then return to their home country to live, while still collecting Canadian benefits such as health coverage.

The system will also help Ottawa track the roughly 40,000 illegal immigrants currently believed to be living in Canada, as well as potential terrorists and war criminals.

However, Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart is concerned about the amount of information that will be shared -- particularly since she hasn't been consulted on the project, Fife said.

Because thousands of people cross the Canada-U.S. border each day, vast volumes of information will potentially be sent back and forth between the two countries every day.

Fife said Stoddard has indicated she would want strict limits placed on the type of information that can be shared with U.S. customs and immigration officials.

Under the current proposal border officials would be able to send additional information about the subject if security concerns were raised.

"They'll be able to pass that additional info on to the U.S. and vice-versa and this is the grey area where the privacy commissioner wants to make sure there are strict controls over how this information is shared," Fife said.

Currently each country's border keeps a record of those who enter or leave, but that information isn't automatically shared.

In past public comments, Stoddart has made it clear that Canadian sovereignty and privacy rights must be protected.

"Rather than jumping into a newly defined relationship with both feet, we should only do so with both eyes wide open," Stoddart wrote on her blog recently.

The federal government insists there is little to worry about.

"When I go to the United States today, you have to provide your home, your birth date, your passport information, your travel information," said Foreign Affairs Minister John Baird. "Whenever we look at security, we keep in mind privacy concerns are tremendously important to Canadians, and that's something we feel very strongly about."

In exchange for more information about travelers crossing the border from Canada, Washington has responded to a chief Canadian gripe about cross-border traffic: gridlock.

Along with security, parts of the new border plan will focus on trade, including pre-screening stations set up on Canadian territory, meaning less congestion at the actual border crossing.

Under the terms of the new deal, the U.S. will move to cut down on traffic at border crossings and allow pre-screenings on certain low-risk cargo trucks. In an effort to speed the process, U.S. officials will only flag suspicious vehicles at the border rather than doing full inspections that hold up other passengers and cargo.

The 32-point plan also features more than just new border-crossing protocols.

In fact, both nations plan to streamline and harmonize regulations in the automotive and food sectors.

In particular, Ottawa has already quietly prepared regulations to adopt U.S. crash-testing standards for seat belts and built-in child booster seats.

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PBW
said

So much paranoia here about information being exchanged by our governments. Most people posting negatively here do not think twice about shopping on-line, where far more important data is not only willingly given, but is openly shared among traders. Be glad, people, you were not living in western Europe in the 40's - 80's! If you visited France or Germany back then, just realize that both those nations have files on you STILL!


ouifyg
said

So when I enter the country, back from my trip to europe, the good old US of A will get to see where I landed.... In Canada....


Janessa
said

:)I wonder how this will affect all those Canadians who are illegally renting their Phoenix/Las Vegas area properties to unsuspecting fellow citizens? Now the US gov't will know where you are for that length of time as even now you have to write on declaration form your temporary US address. Wait until same addresses keep popping up. Bye-bye foreign property.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Ivan: how many people did the Mafia shoot with registered arms? Ihave been crossing back and forth for 55 years always gave my name, address, etc. this is nothing new. The Canadian side asks more questions than the US does. Hatred for all things American is clouding this issue.


Lz in Edmonton
said

@ True North... Where do you get companies from with this article? It said governments. Trust me, there is more information floating out in cyberspace on companies data bases due to your use of reward cards, credit cards, facebook, internac cards, etc etc then the government has. In fact, I find it funny that internal government agencies share less information. I would expect the same between the US and Canada. The word, who gives a &HIT is how I view this. Facebook on the other hand....


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

Scott in Langley has said it very well and perhaps those supporting an opposing view, might do well to remember the words of Thomas Jefferson that, those willing to surrender freedom for security have neither. To suggest "1984" came 25 years after the fact is mistaken - it happened before then and has merely grown exponentially worse over the past ten years. To share any personal data right now with the United States concerns me greatly given the paranoia there and the direction that country is heading. Have you been through an American airport in last year and you still want to share more personal data with that country as well? Need I say any more? I share the concerns of the Privacy Commissioner and so should you.


AM
said

"Canadian rights & freedoms" seems to be a frequent arguement against this sharing of information.It appears you are forgetting that once you travel to the U.S. (or any other country) you do not have the rights and freedoms afforded to you in your country of citizenship. This has nothing to do with giving up personal rights (or human rights for that matter). The bigger issue is security & as a proud Canadian I say that trumps your personal privacy anytime.


Dave in Edm
said

Deifenbaker sold us out to the states... Mulroney sold us out to the states... Now Harper is selling us out to the states... Why don't Conservatives just move to the States instead of selling us out at every chance?


Check The Food
said

I just hope they start checking the food that is produced in the USA before it comes across the border. Man, is that stuff a poor excuse for edibles. Some countries have little pride when it comes to what they put in their mouths. Ever eat the winter produce? Brutal. Made in America should have stayed in America.


Free to Travel
said

@ Big Loss. Sorry but you've got it wrong. I've crossed the US border countless times by land and air. My multi convictions of indictable offenses which I declare as or when requested along with my border crossing card allow me entry into the US every time. for pleasure or business, multiple visits. Do the research.


Steve in Vancouver
said

Your outnumbered Joe. But we do have to be aware that's for sure. However references to George Orwell's 1984 is misplaced. George Orwell was warning us about a socialist run big brother state. We are far away from that place but yes we do have to be alert. Look up the Canadian movie My American Cousin Joe its a cute movie about the closeness of our two societies. You couldn't wish for better neighbours. Just look around the globe.


Over Here
said

They'll know where I am! They'll know where I am! Can my wife call them when I'm late for dinner then? Your sense of over importance is additonally inflated when you are concerned that they (you know who they are, eh?) know where you are. The only one who cares where I am, is me. Somehow I don't think you really care, do you?


Cameron in Deux-Montagnes
said

What's next? A little micro-chip planted behind the ear? I am starting to feel like I am some sort of livestock that the government needs to keep tabs on, just in case I happen to oppose the political thought of the day. This, our increasing militarization and glorifying thereof (ie. Grey Cup), a Crime Bill that makes no sense, new prisons, a censoring of opposition .... hmmm... reminiscent of a regime in the 1930's and just like then, people are following with blinders on, satisfied so long as their own little lives are not being directly affected.


Scott in Langley
said

If all they're sharing is entry and exit time data, no big deal, I suppose. Ms. Stoddard is absolutely right to be concerned though, and mocking her like many of you are doing is ridiculous. Her job is to protect our privacy from government intrusions, and she wasn't even consulted about this issue. That's her concern - that there may be more to it than simply trading timestamp info. All of you that don't care about your privacy, the "if you've got nothing to hide..." group here, how far are you willing to take that sentiment? How much privacy are you willing to give up for the sake of shorter line-ups and maybe catching a few illegal immigrants? Little by little, piece by piece, we're losing our rights and freedoms in the name of security, convenience and commerce. Apparently some people are perfectly okay with that. Personally, I don't like it at all. And no, I don't have anything more to hide than any of you.


Alice
said

You can be tracked not only on land but also, air or sea. Does this mean even if you're flying over the U.S. to another destination? or, traveling by ship to another destination? It's one thing to be tracked by your own government but, quite another to be tracked by a foreign government.


true north
said

To people like Steve and Marg MM - you do realize of course that part of the information that will be traded back and forth about you and other Canadians will be extremely personal information, possibly even including health information. In BC , the new super medical ID will also be a drivers licence and can be matched up with a passport, I know, I work in the field and believe me when Mr. Baird tells you not to worry - you should. Information on people is big big big business and so is spying on other individuals all in the name of security. George Orwells 1984 just arrived 25 years later than expected. Also ask yourselves the question what will all that information be used for - certainly not just a few illegals or potential trouble makers , imagine how much money information like that is worth to big business. It will be used by governments to limit personal freedoms whether you like it or not - welcome the United States of Canada and the new Harper land of Russia. be prepared to be treated like sheep because you are now acting like sheep.


joe canada
said

To steve in vancouver. The Americans might be your cousin, but they sure as hell are not mine. more like an annoying neighbour.


If it gets the lefties going, it must be good
said

The loony lefty naysayers are truly delusional if they believe that this information isn't already being exchanged. This agreement simply formalizes the arrangement. The loony lefties are also delusional if they believe their personal privacy is more important that building stronger economic ties to the largest consumer of our goods and services. Just remember, one day you'll be dead and gone but the economy will live on. Get over yourselves.


Kris M.
said

Only a Conservative Government will sell out the rights of Canadian Citizens. Are we Canadians ?


Big loss
said

Don't kid yourself, you don't have to be a war criminal to have your information available both sides of the border. Many people have been arrested and charged with an offense only to have it thrown out or them being found not guilty. Those people will be included in the information you can be sure and denied entry as a consequence. The US currently prohibits entry if you have ever been arrested not just if convicted. Furthermore, as more than 10% of Canadians have criminal records the number of those arrested but not convicted likely brings that to 12-15%. Apart from the restriction of freedoms, that's a lot of trade dollars lost on both sides too!


Mar
said

Luke, how does this affect your Charter rights? Sharing your travel dates and name doesn't infringe on your Charter rights in any way. If you don't want this information shared, just don't travel to the US, its pretty simple. This only applies for travel between our countries, so if you must fly, fly within Canada or anywhere but the US. The minimal information they get from me when I travel doesn't seem like a privacy violation to me. Both countries already know when you are coming and going when you go through customs, now they are sharing it, the only new information they get is the date of return/leaving, they had all the other information already when you passed through each of their respective customs booths. So what's the big deal?


L
said

Everyone should consider what information is gathered when you cross the border. Passport number, address, name, birthdate, where you are staying in the US, that's about it. Oh, and how much you spent. Who cares if anyone knows this? The only additional information is if you are pulled into one of those little rooms cause they think you are doing something bad, then they may collect additional information. I actually always thought that information was available to both governments if requested, so who cares if they have it now? The minimal information they collect does nothing to my privacy. And if this new cooperation helps them catch illegal immigrants abusing our healthcare/welfare system and costing us taxpayer money, that's good news. What is more concerning is what else is in this legislation, having more coordination with safety controls is not a bad thing, often the US has more stringent controls than Canada, but would be nice to know the extent of the legislation, seems odd its not being shared.


mike
said

Wow, whom ever is upset about their privacy must be guilty of something and dont want to get caught. If you have nothing to hide then there is no problem. When you enter the USA they take your ID anyway so if this will cut down on fraud, illegal immigration, and other criminal activities I am in full agreement. At least my family will be protected better with this policy.Once again I am sure it is the left wing idiology that is comming out and we all know that they have a lot to hide.


Chris from NB
said

Why even have a border? With the current government in place, we're now so much like the Americans that we might as well join them. We've lost our "Canadian" identity. Its time to stop calling our political parties the conservatives and liberals. Instead, we should call them what they rightfully are... republicans and democrats.The Republicans... er.. I mean Conservative party is all for being tough on crime, Reaganomics for big business, privatizing healthcare, and guns guns guns.The Democrats... er.. I mean Liberal party is all for welfare, raising taxes, gov't regulation up the ying yang, and hugging trees.So what's the difference between Canadians and Americans? None really. So why the border?


MARG MM
said

To those of you who are confused, read the article again. It clearly states that BOTH countries will share information, which will be able to track illegal immigrants, war criminals, and will crack down on citizenship fraud. At the same time it will make border crossing easier and faster for all others including low risk cargo trucks. If this catches even some of the illegal immigrants, terrorists and criminals, then what can be wrong with it???? Since it will only flag those that pose a security risk, there must be some that post here that feel they are, otherwise they wouldn't be so worried about it.


Steve in Vancouver
said

l see nothing wrong with sharing information with our American cousins.If it makes life better for us Canadians and our cousins why not share. What is there to hide? We are mature peoples, we have independence. This new pact can only improve our well being.


Ivan
said

Nice try Dennis L. Krahn, but the two topics are very related - 'the government's collection and sharing of information about citizens.' You can't cry about one situation and cheer the other. That would make you a hypocrite.


Luke
said

Judy, its not about that. Its about yet another nail in our personal rights and freedoms. Yet another move by this Government that erodes your security,and personal rights and flys in the face of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms that this government, with deals like this, seem to be using to wipe our faces with.That's the issue here.Ignore your rights and they will go away.


Karen
said

Sounds like a good plan especially if it will crack down on citizenship fraud, illegal immigrants and criminals, all of which unfortunately are abundant in both countries. Like so many below have said ... if you have nothing to hide then there should be no problem, right?


Judy
said

if you have nothing to hide, why would you be worried about what information is passed between the two countries, it will only make a difference if you are the dishonest person who doesn't belong.one who is illegally in one country or the other and are carrying guns or drugs. I for one am not concerned and will cross the boader just like always.


Mary-Anne TO
said

Let's be realistic. The only people this is going to track are those of us who legitimately cross the border for holidays, family visits and shopping. All others have long since figured out a way to avoid detection.


Luke
said

WoW .Great report CTV.I was stunned when I saw this.If any one still has any doubt that a New N,orth American Union is in the works between these two twisted Leaders then this report should remove it.good by Canadian Sovernity and JOBS.How much longer will we be able to call our selves proud Canadians?


JD
said

My solution to this? NEVER travel to the US.


Dan From Calgary
said

Lets make sure the information that is being shared is correct and accurrate, to prevent being sent to Syria to be tortured. I am never sure what Harper and Mr. Baird plans are...they will give anything to the US. But then again I know there are Harper fans out there that would eat anything he may toss their way.


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Ivan: What are you talking about; the two topics have no relation to each other. People complained about gun registry due to the fact that criminals are not in the habit of registering any weapons. The registry in any case was a screw up from the get go.If giving information at the south border crossing is an inconvenience, stay home.


Jim McB
said

Every time I cross the border (we travel 2 or 3 times a year) I have an itineray prepared that shows where we are going, all our contact information, and our next of kin in case something happens. The border control can have all of my information if they want and especially if it stops even one terrorist or criminal.People who dither over these privacy concerns either don't understand the problem or have something to hide. They should stay at home and all their concerns will disappear. Others, of course, have to make the programmed anti government anti Harper statements that make them feel secure.


There she goes
said

And the North American Union takes another step towards reality. Let us not forget Harper is the one who has claimed to hate everything about Canada, and love everything about the states. He even refuses to watch Canadian media in favor of American media. If you don't think he has visions of Canada becoming part of his favorite country you haven't been paying attention.


mike
said

I actually don't mind certain information passing. Many times I cross back into canada and they ask me for a hotel bill to prove i've been away 2 or 7 days. At least with this, there will be no question.


David
said

For all those who enjoy moaning and whining about some such government conspiracy and infringement-get some cheese put up extra tin foil on the windows and whine with your little friends.If you voluntarily choose to travel to another country you should expect to abide by the rules and laws of that country-period. Don't like the laws in Iran don't travel there, don't like the rules in Poland don't travel there, don't like the rules in Peru don't travel there, don't like the rules in Canada don't travel here-don't like the rules in the US DON'T TRAVEL THERE. Why are we so special that the US should alter their laws for us?


Ivan
said

Now how many who say 'I've got nothing to hide, so collect/share away' are the same ones who yelled/screamed over being asked to fill out a form when they bought a gun? If you've got nothing to hide, you should have not problem with the government collecting/sharing as much info about you as they want.


N. G.
said

It's about time that careful "watching" for illegals is done. Canadians and Americans should be given the freedom to cross our borders. The more illegals that can be weeded out the better. Final note: If you don't like this country then go home we are sick and tired of bowing down to your demands. Canadians and Americans need to unite!!REMEMBER....IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.


Canadian
said

I do agree each country should keep track of who is coming in and going out, but is it necessary at the Canada/US border? And if we have 40,000 illegals here, how come we can't get rid of them? It shouldn't be too difficult to get rid of that many.


A Koster
said

"The 32-point plan also features more than just new border-crossing protocols. In fact, both nations plan to streamline and harmonize regulations in the automotive and food sectors" .. So I'm thnking that it is all starting to add up.. we have a border info-sharing plan being signed next week, absolutely no details being given, which also includes a harmonization of regulations in the food sectors being slid through.. we have the recent harmonization and synchronization of the US patent laws which now protect genetically modified seeds in Canada... we 'incidentally' have 70 manufacturing tariffs being eliminated, absolutely no details being given, which are pertinent to, among others, food processing... 2003 .. "Wheat board and Monsanto duel over GM wheat" [cbc].. and the deliberate and hasty elimination of our wheat board thanks to a majority of spineless cons.


Roland, London, ON
said

I think this is great. As an almost weekly traveller across the US/CAN border, I will accept almost anything to make it easier for me/us. I have nothing to hide and no intentions of anything illegal so them keeping track of my travels doesn't bother me in the least. Focus on those who are causing problems and make it quick and easy for those of us who do legitimate business and leisure travel.


Tdawg
said

Hey Pip, if you want to be kept track of by the United States, MOVE THERE! I live in Canada, I don't wish to be subject to or tracked by another country when not entering, leaving, or doing any business with that country.


Peter Wright
said

The problem with this is that you don't know what will be shared and how far reaching this info will go and what if the WRONG information gets passed or added about you and you become blacklisted!! Security is a state of mind and not something you can count on. So cellphones track you as well, are you okay with that?


Caro-lyn
said

I am a law-abiding Canadian, born and raised. I enjoyed free movement between the two countries for years until 9-11. Now I am subjected to the same scrutiny and hold ups that foreigners are. I agree, if you have nothing to hide, you don't care who knows where you are going or why. If it improves border crossings, I am all for it. We are talking about the US here not Russia or China. If it bothers you, then by all means stay in your own country. Sometimes these 'privacy concerns' are taken to extremes for no reason.


Josie
said

Sounds like a decent plan to curb some of the illegals and their actions! People that don't have anything to hide will not be concerned! Nothing is private anymore, anyway!!


Dennis L. Krahn
said

Terry from Pickering: Well put! I travel back and forth at least four times a year; never have a minutes trouble at either side of the border. Hopefully this will stem the flow of nut bars criminals and illiegals to and from both our countries.


S Wallace
said

Will this be a two way street?


Gerry
said

The C.B.C. will be doing the most squawking over this.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Concerns? Contrived and profoundly vague concerns, in absence of any formal assessment upon which any negative claim could be made. (Still, though, it's nice that our Privacy Commissioner is looking out for us.) Based upon the specific contents of this story, I see nothing to be worked-up over.


dante
said

Well one would have to be a fool or quite uninformed to think that the new border deal is not another extension of big brother. I have no problem with the intent to speed up crossing and most important to stop abuses of the social services so vital to Canada, such as abuse of medical services, EI etc. Smart meters are more of a surveillance tool than this. In the end it does not really matter cause as we all have seen governments and police states will do exactly what they want when it suits them..Every new law is designed not for the present but the future.. Why are we as a nation spending so much money on war and war planes then?


Niagara George
said

Interesting how the neoCons couldn't see any sense to registering guns that can easily be used for any one of many evil things. But now, they have no problem with detailed registering of people at border crossings, even though 99.9% of people who cross the border do so, completely legally. My guess is that it is you Cons who are crossing the border to shop and then not paying your duty when you return. When the Cons give us the story about evil-doings usually happen away from the criminals' homes, I'm sure some of you will be all for registering every time a person leaves their home. The argument will be the same... If you have nothing to hide, it will not make any difference. Another sad day in Harper's version of Canada.


Robert B
said

Is Ms. Stoddat scared that she'll lose her job?I mean she wasn't notified of changes, does that mean we can cut down on one more Government job? Lets hope so.


Worse than I Imagined
said

I love my CANADIAN high standards of food quality. Why that would be changed to save some greedy business men a few million is sickening. I also agree with the privacy commission's outrage, at least someone is looking out for me, cause it sure isn't the "Harper Government"


Lz in Edmonton
said

Since I only vacation in the US and don't have anything to hide while there, I really couldn't care what they share. What are they looking for? What I eat? Where I sleep? When I left or when I returned? If these things bother the privacy watchdogs, I actually have a problem with the same watchdogs.


joe canada
said

" And so you hear these wordstelling you now of my stateI tell you to enjoy lifeI wish I could but it's too late."Paranoid - Ozzy Osbourne (black sabbath)Sounds like the Americans and Harper are Paranoid fans.


TootsieFF
said

I agee that if you have nothing to hide, then who cares? We choose to go into a different country, we hve to accept that they will do whatever they want to keep track of us.Besides, the States already get whatever info it wants from Canada. When I was 30 years old, they knew I had been arrested at 14 for shoplifting. They also knew that my husband had been charged - and cleared - of mischief in his teens. We both have clear criminal background checks from police and CSIS, yet Homeland Security still knew about it.


Terry from Pickering
said

I say let's make it safer for both parties and if you have nothing to hide it won't bother you, I really don't mind be tracked like a hound but if its going to make border crossings safer and it's going to put a monkey wrench in the unwanted illegal immigrants then I say get it done, lets get the 40,000 some illegal immigrants out of our country......who's with me...


Just Saying - Ottawa
said

Absolutely nothing wrong with this "safety" first .. unless someone has something to hide they would of course be against it...our information is given out to many others including telemarketers, perhaps not as personal but it's given....


Pip
said

Those who don't like sharing, stay home! That would sure make the line-ups at the border shorter. Personally, Ms. Privacy commissioner, I don't give a damn! Get off your Politically Correct high horses and live a little! I have little doubt the people who object to all this tell their therapist FAR more than the US government will ever need to ask.


kjs
said

I'm not clear on this. Does this mean the U.S. will be given information on everyone traveling to and from Canada regardless of their origin or destination, or does it refer to travel between Canada and the U.S. only? Also, will Canada be given the same information from the Americans?


Mike in Ottawa
said

The plan makes a lot of sense to me. It will help catch criminals and prevent fraud.Ms. Stoddart is right to be worried about this plan. If it goes forward, without her being consulted, it will look like we're paying her for nothing. A few more of these and she might even lose her job. I'd be annoyed too.


Dean in Abby
said

What privacy concerns? So what if they have a record and share it, of when and where you came and went? if there is nothing to hide, what's your problem?


A Koster
said

Business travel trumps shopping trips said "I think average people need to have an understanding greater than that provided by a few lines in a news article before they can comment. Like most things regarding privacy, legal, honest legitimate people have no concern about big brother and the police state. However, I can understand how criminals and tax evaders will have a problem with the new rules." .. For a start, if you're so honest and legitimate then why do you change your monicker for every different news piece.. I'm guessing you should be declaring yourself a mole.. and those average people you talk about, that you say have no business commenting here? .. they have more cognitive powers than you'll ever have.. reason being they ARE average, they are legitimate, they are honest, and mostly because they recognize punks earning $10 an hour from the PMO media centre.


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