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Date: Monday Aug. 1, 2011 6:19 PM ET

OTTAWA — Canada's spy agency flatly denies it practises a controversial anti-terrorism tactic that got it a firm knuckle-rapping from a federal watchdog.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service's insistence that it does not employ the technique known as disruption is squarely at odds with the findings of the Security Intelligence Review Committee, which keeps an eye on CSIS.

The committee has recommended CSIS seek ministerial guidance on disruption -- letting suspected terrorists know they are under investigation with the aim -- or side-effect -- of prompting them to drop their plans.

It also called on the spy service to develop formal guidelines regarding its use of the tactic.

Newly declassified records only underscore the differences.

The review committee, which reports to Parliament, says the spy service "expressly set out to disrupt" a threat to Canada and did not inform the public safety minister it was doing so.

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John Beattie
said

Are politicians & the Ontario Provincial Police allowed to disrupt a planned legal private party, on private property, along these same guidlines, in our " free Canada " ?


Gregor
said

Is the federal Watchdog made up of a bunch of huggie, kissey tree huggers? They need to stand down and let CSIS do their job without this. Crap like this should never be made public.


Jazz
said

CSIS has my vote. The Watchdog I believe just wants to hear itself bark.


PBW
said

There are some areas where the need of politicians - and through them the general public - to know everything that goes on in a government agency like CSIS,should be off limits. If, by disrupting the actions of potential terrorists, CSIS prevents a 9/11 or Oslo event in Canada, they are doing their job What is better: that CSIS continues as before, preventing terrorism; or following the dictates of the watchdog allowing a terrorist event to take place so that the perpetrators - if still alive, suicide bombing or plane crashing seeming to be a preferred tactic - may be prosecuted. The word Secret is in CSIS's name for a reason. While some people may WANT to, knowing everything that goes on in government is NOT necessary.


Mdudak
said

Why does Canada need CSIS is the real question.Being an insider in Ottawa, I am well aware that they have a very large budget and very little is provided in return. In recent years, they have sought to "Americanize" their strategies and cost keep on increasing at an alarming rate yet the return on the investment is very weak.I think it is time for Canada to get out of the spy game and focus on the core needs of the country rather than to increase both Military and CSIS budgets. How about providing real funding for Health Care and Education instead and develop a real future for this country as our forefathers did for us?


Debbie
said

By telling a terrorist he is being watched you are allowing him to stop his activities and then let another terrorist, who you may not be aware of, pick up the task and carry on. Allow them to continue while being observed and then capture them as soon as you have enough evidence to convict/deport them. Disrupting them may not stop the outcome. It just scatters them.


C Coutu
said

Great job CSIS! Taking such pro active actions is awesome! I expect ( like the majority of Canadians) that CSIS take action instead of waiting for terrorist acts to take place. For the watchdog, I believe the reporter should expand a little bit more on the story!


Doug ^^^ BC
said

It would seem to me that if we know they are involved in terrorist activities arresting them may be more appropriate than disrupting them. Not sure I want to live next to a "disrupted" terrorist.


Eve
said

I find myself scratching my head at the end of reading this article - there really must be something I'm missing here. Why exactly is it wrong for suspected terrorists to be told they're being investigated? Seems CSIS's 'tactics' are in line to me. Someone care to explain a bit more of the watchdog's POV?


Michael from Toronto
said

While I may understand the issues in question I think it is extremely ill-advised to even discuss them in the public domain. This item should NEVER have been made public or news.There is NOTHING the public can do about these issues and they can be resolved secretly between the authorities involved. There has also not been any expressed harm done to the public so there is no reason to inform on such matters which unnecessarily tip the authorities' hands to terrorist organizations.How self-defeating should our authorities become before they learn the simple lesson of shutting up unless there are overriding benefits to the public?


PUGFIRE
said

The way I understand this then is that if, for example, someone had prior knowledge of say, the terrorist act that just occurred in Norway, one is just supposed to keep quiet and let it happen? Are these people serious? Well my 2 cents worth is on the side of CSIS.

spaz
said

Only in Canada would this be a problem........if this was Afghanistan, and the Taliban thought you were a risk........they would just shoot you.....no paperwork....no permit.....no guidelines .....only problem is what to do with the corpse......any questions ??????


K
said

I think CSIS has the right idea - disrupt an act of terrorism before it happens; whether it means explicitly notifying the suspect(s) they are under investigation or by formal law enforcement means, as long as this technique does not interfere with further investigations or any other anti-terrorism operation. I think it's important our law enforcement services and our security intelligence agencies begin acting proactively vs. reactively, ie. 9/11


sdgreen
said

I find it amazing that a bunch of folks who are not immersed in the murky world of terrorism would try to disrupt a process that has a goal fo stopping terrorists. CSIS should have the authority to do whatever they want to thwart terrorists and any threat to Canada.


Greg in Cambridge
said

So getting terrorists to stop what they intend to do to us is a BAD thing?Seems like the only thing bad about this is the rap they're getting from a "watchdog".


Wtf
said

Yes let's sit back and let those opposed to our way of life just carry on......if those idiots in Toronto had not been caught and had carried out their plan....what would be the tone of this article then? We have a balancing act here......gaining evidence to convict is not always going to be possible...especially when the rules for same are constantly changing......disruption in such cases should be supported- not frowned upon.


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