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Students from the University of Guelph hold a rally to show support for the student vote as Prime Minister Stephen Harper arrives to a campaign event in Guelph Ont., on Monday, April 4, 2011. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Sean Kilpatrick Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks to reporters during a campaign stop in Ottawa, Friday, April 15, 2011. Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks to reporters during a campaign stop in Ottawa, Friday, April 15, 2011.

Guelph special ballot was valid: Elections Canada

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CTV National News: Robert Fife on the issue
The Conservatives attempted to shutdown an advance polling station at the University of Guelph.
CTV News: Richard Madan on the events
An advance polling station at the University of Guelph is questioned by the Conservatives. Meanwhile, former cabinet minister Helena Guergis accuses the Prime Minister's Office of running a smear campaign against her.
CTV Southwestern Ontario: Frank Lynn on the vote
A disturbance at a special ballot station at the University of Guelph is causing debate on the federal election campaign trail.
Power Play: Bren Anstett and Kevin Bauman
5:00 p.m. ET: Students at the University of Guelph talk about some of the strange happenings at an advance polling station at the school, including one case of a person attempting to grab a ballot box.
Power Play: Cameron Fenton and David Molenhuis
David Molenhuis of the Canadian Federation of Students and Cameron Fenton, director of the Canadian Youth Climate Coaltion talk about how the issues that Canadian youth are being addressed by the parties.
CTV News Channel: Roger Smith on the challenge
A CTV parliamentary correspondent says the Conservatives' attempt to have the votes from a special ballot station set up at the University of Guelph declared invalid plays into the Liberal narrative that the Tories are acting undemocratically.
CTV News Extended: Ignatieff blasts Harper
The Liberal Leader blasts the Conservatives for their treatment of the younger generation, saying Stephen Harper should be loyal to not only his party, but the democratic system as well.
CTV News Channel: Harper answers questions
Harper says it doesn't matter what your age, background, or job is he wants everyone to vote. However, he also says his party's sole priority is that all rules be respected.
CTV News Channel: Layton addresses the case
The NDP leader says he wants to see an investigation done on the Conservatives due to the attempt to block students from casting votes.
CTV News Channel: Alastair Summerlee, president
The president of the University of Guelph says the student group trying to get Guelph students out to vote was absolutely clear about being non-partisan.

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The best part of this is the students across this country are only going to get more fired up when they hear about their buddies in Guelph.

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Guelph special ballot was valid: Elections Canada

Date: Fri. Apr. 15 2011 10:47 PM ET

Elections Canada says while a special ballot station set up at the University of Guelph earlier this month was not pre-authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer, it was still a legitimate vote.

The agency released a statement Friday amid accusations from the Conservative Party that there were irregularities at the April 13 special polling station and that the entire ballot process may not have been legitimate.

The Conservative Party has said party members were denied the right to appoint a scrutineer to oversee the process and that campaign material was present at the polling station, which is prohibited.

The party added that it had since learned that the Guelph poll was not even authorized by Elections Canada.

"The real issue was not the denial of procedural fairness at a legally authorized poll, but the fact that the poll was not authorized at all," the party said in a statement.

But in a statement of its own Friday, Elections Canada said while the special ballots were not pre-authorized, they can still be counted in the May 2 election.

"A special ballot coordinator, appointed by the local returning officer, oversaw the activities at the University of Guelph. All information at our disposal indicates that the votes were cast in a manner that respects the Canada Elections Act and are valid," the statement said.

The agency also said it was stopping all special ballots at universities.

The Tories released a follow-up statement to say they accepted the Elections Canada decision.

"While the Elections Canada statement confirms that what happened in Guelph lacked proper authorization, we applaud the decision not to disenfranchise University of Guelph students because of errors by the local Returning Officer. These student voters should not suffer because of mistakes by the local election officials," the party said.

"We urge all Canadians to vote, whether by special ballot, at advance polls, or on May 2."

Special ballots are sometimes set up ahead of elections to facilitate voting for those who face barriers of casting a ballot on election day or in advance polls, such as "snowbirds," aboriginals and those with physical disabilities. Using one for students – who are typically under-represented in elections – is also legitimate.

Asked about the matter at a morning rally in Thornhill, Ont., Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the party was not trying to discourage voting by special ballot, but wanted to ensure that Elections Canada rules were followed.

"Our concern is simply that the rules for advance polling, that all the rules of the election be respected and that is our sole concern in this particular matter," he said.

But Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff says the Tories' request to annul the 700 votes cast at the special ballot is another example of the party's contempt for the democratic process.

"A politician has two loyalties here: loyalty to his party and a loyalty to the democratic system," Ignatieff said. "I'd like to see some loyalty to the democratic system from the prime minister."

Ignatieff also commented on a published report that says an attempt was actually made to end the Guelph vote as it was happening.

The Guelph Mercury newspaper, citing several students who attended the vote, reports that the communications director for the Guelph Conservative candidate, Marty Burke, turned up at the balloting site and claimed the vote had violated the Elections Canada Act.

The communications director reportedly tried to snatch the ballot box away, but left empty-handed. The Conservative Party denies that any of its supporters touched a ballot box.

When asked about the allegation, Ignatieff said it is the latest in a "pattern" of Conservative conduct.

"First you have a prime minister who checks the Facebook page of people coming to meetings," Ignatieff said, referring to the young woman allegedly barred from a Conservative campaign stop in London, Ont. after an official spotted a photo with Ignatieff she had posted online.

"Then you have a Conservative operative trying to grab the ballot box at a university in a town where... students were mobilizing to get out the vote."

Friday's statement from the Conservative Party reiterates that none of the campaign's workers or volunteers touched a ballot or ballot box.

"The outlandish and unfounded claims being spread on the Internet are the product of desperation, and are most regrettable," the statement reads.

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Will
said

I expect this kind of thing of the UofT (AKA Josef Stalin U) but guelph surprised me. Seems we need to apply a little bit of oversight at the universities in order to ensure these foolish profs stop corrupting the political system with their blatant social engineering experiments.


Don
said

Good that the ballots are still valid, even though rules WERE broken - unlike the case where Paul Martin's Liberals took similar actions and the ballots were declared INVALID in that case. Congratulations to CTV for bringing this fact out! I find that CTV does try for balance and integrity in their news coverage - unlike the CBC who seem to be acting as the media arm of the Liberal Party in this election - and they get a whopping 1.1 BILLION dollars of public money to do so!!


Jane
said

This has all of the making of a voting station in a third world country! How can Elections Canada say this was ligitimate? The persons in charge of Elections Canada should be discharged from their positions immediately!


Sad Soldier
said

Sad this is the country I fought for, I did not fight for elections Canada to make a joke of voting.


Tim
said

Actually LP, Harper isn't facing any charges as far as I know. So no, it isn't hypocritical and your point on the matter is entirely invalid. Not to mention, as someone who clearly cares about election laws, why are you only complaining about the ones a very small number of Conservatives are being charged with breaking, and not the thought that hundreds of possibly illegal votes are being allowed? Or is it more about WHO breaks the laws that matter to you? And not that election rules are being violated?


Eskimo
said

Vote early. Vote often. Vote Liberal/NDP.Is this Canada's version of what ACORN became famous for in the US?What's next? Dead people and illegal aliens voting? Will Elections Canada also declare "nothing to see here"?Good grief.


Skeptic
said

If there were Conservative materials in the voting station, or the Liberal scrutineer hadn't been allowed to attend, the Liberals would be screaming "Anti-democracy" at the top of their lungs. Ignatieff should be aware that all the feigned hysterics don't play well.


Vancouver Maria
said

What a sad state of election coverage we are witnessing. Instead of discussing Platforms and what really counts in society what do we have? Iggy grasping at straws to cover his lack of a viable platform. How sad. But there is a bright side. May 2ND is getting closer every day.


Ray forsythe [alias] Ray in N S
said

I was speaking to a retired Election Canada employee at the coffee shop,He said if that had been the Liberal who complainted, the result would have been to disallow the votes. Ask Jack Laton About The u Of T From two elections ago.The Liberals have there people at Electiom Canada


bob
said

A short time ago a similar ballot at the UofT was ruled illegal by Elections Canada at the request of the Liberal Party. Now a similar ballot at the UofG isOK. The left feels they will get the vast bulk of votes in Guelph, at least according to tonights powerplay on CTV. Elections Canada is impartial. Isn't it?


On May 2nd, don't get Conned...send Harper home!
said

I believe the Conservatives, Harper in particular, are starting to get worried. Trying to cancel the Youth vote demonstrates the desperation they are feeling. Expect more Harper attacks on democracy before May 2nd. Get out and vote....don't get CONNED. ABC


LP
said

Enjoy it while you can Cons. You are dying breed. Once all the bitter old farts who are gone the youth will be liberated from the money grubbing Cons. I give you a decade or so and the right wing will be all but decimated. Good bye and good riddens.


LP
said

All of a sudden Harper cares about elections act rules are followed. Aren't these the same Conservatives that are facing criminal charges for breaking the rules of the elections act? These people ooze hypocrisy. These are bad people that need to be taught to respect people and their rights. They are all a bunch of con artists. Don't buy in to the bull.


Dan
said

I just read an article in the Hamilton Spectator about this incident and there's more info. It seems like the local returning office decided it would be a good idea to allow this ballot booth so as to encouraage student to vote. So without Elections Canada approval he set up the ballot. There were allegations by the conservative Candidate and her staffer, a former Guelph U student, that there wasn't representation from all the party's scrutineers. it was the reason why the candidate and staffer objected to the ballot. There are mixed accounts of whether they tried to take the ballot box but it sounds like he said she said. So now elections canada has said, "no more special ballots" It seems that they are not sanctioned, because if they were, this would not have been an issue. so for all you democratic Liberals out there, you can't make the rules as you go along and call people out for objecting.


roy from ontario
said

right or wrong this special poll happened. my question is if a student showed proper id for residency did the polling station have a list of candidates in there home riding to vote for or were they voting for guelph candidates that they should not be voting for?


John
said

To Ignatieff making sure that an election in Canada is held properly and legally is contrary to "democratic principles:Interesting!


George V.
said

An advanced election poll was set up in the university of Guelph without pre-authorization from elections Canada, party election material was handed out at this station.No scruteneers were allowed to be present, how were the ballots handed out and how were they deposited in the ballot box, did it meet the election regulations, this leaves a lot of questions, and all these illigalities and irregularities are O.K. by Elections Canada. Can this format be used anywhere in Canada or just at Guelph University. If that meets the rules why don't we have these advance polls at every gas station, grocery store Wallmart, Home depot. How this ballot box incident was handled was like in a third world country. Afghanistan will likely take lessons from this. I can't believe this happened in Canada.


CDM
said

@Joe Public - Ah, another ignorant Liberal supporter that bases their views on headlines and sound bites.The Conservatives did not misread the rules and regulations, they were exactly right. It's obvious you haven't even read, never mind misread, the Elections Canada statement on this. The link is available right from this article.Try READING the Elections Canada statement. If this was so above board, why have they instructed this returning officer and all others, to not let this happen again?


simon
said

This Strategy is called Voter Suppression. It is unknown as to how these Students will vote. The Conservatives have a solid voter base and if opposition and student voter turnout can be suppressed, the conservatives will win.


Alex
said

To whomever said the votes are not valid since they are students and it is not their primary address, get your facts straight.I have voted in the last 3 elections in Guelph, while going to school. I live at my parents house during the summer time. All you need is a piece of I.D and something that shows your current address, i.e a bill, and you can vote.It may be different in Edmonton, but it is completely legal and accepted in Ontario.


Doug @ BC
said

The rules are the rules.This is the same complaint the Paul Martin government had in a previous election.But in that election Liberals were successful in having all those votes thrown into the waste basket. Assuming Elections Canada did their job the way they should,I will respect their decision.But it still smells fishy to me.Rules that were in force for Paul Martin should also be in force for Stephen Harper.I hope they can one day explain why they seem different.


ian
said

@MartyMac. you are as guilty as the people you are railing against. You weren't there so you are only believing the side of the story you want to believe. ("this is not the Canada I love" Oh please a little less drama) These types of recent events sound a little too fishy to me. So a student who has a photo of Iggy on her facebook page is asked to leave a Conservative rallye and runs to the media right away and the whole thing is blown up. An unauthorized ballot at a University which looks illegal and against the rules is contested and someone runs to the media and makes a Federal case out of it. Then the media, instead of actually doing any investigation of its own, runs to Iggy for his comments. Surprise surprise he thinks that undemocratic harper is up to no good. WTF? How about an interview with the chief returning officer or someone from elections canada. No that would be doing some work or providing balanced journalism and we can't have that. Who is guilty of American Style electionerring now?


Dawne
said

In 2006 Tony Ianno,Liberal candidate for Trinity-Spadina, "challenged the legality of special campus ballot stations." That was a story at the time,too. Voters,do your homework.


stundent braits
said

It's amazing to me that students today think they can do anything they want, when they want and at other people's expense and if they don't get their way then they are being treated harshly. The rest of us wait for election day we go to the polls when we should but not these students they dictate to us when they decide they will vote. Man these kids will have a big shock on their hands when the enter the work force. The so called student body won't be there to hold there hands and agree with anything they want. They will be at work when the boss says, they will do their work like the boss says, they will pay the loans from the bank like the bank says. See where this is going, You will do what other people say the rest of your lives, so get your little vote in now, this just annoys more blue dogs to come out and vote in force.


Laurie
said

the question is not that why are Conservatives anxious to cancel the student vote...they are not. The question is why students think they should be able to break/breach the rules of proper conduct of an election site? Although Elections Canada has now said the polling station was legal, the RO should be replaced. The students votes are valid, but when everyone demands the Conservatives be transparent and above board on everything, why does that same standard not apply to Elections Canada and the students who set up this polling station?


WSV
said

These students don't even qualify to vote in that riding because their primary residence is likely outside the riding in the place of their non-school address (likely their parent's house).I know from my own experience in the 2008 election that I could not vote in Edmonton because my primary (non-school) address was in Ontario.Why are these people allowed to skirt Elections Canada regulations. Those votes are likely misallocated into a riding where they were ineligible to vote. Very suspicious. The RO should be terminated for incompetence.


Jack - AB
said

The Returning Officer (RO) works for Election Canada. From Elections Canada site "the federal RO is appointed by and reports to the Chief Electoral Officer. The primary duty of returning officers is to run electoral events in their electoral districts." I'm sure if this is an issue that Harper will address it directly with Elections Canada to stop any similar events in the future from happening. Students did nothing wrong and should not get punished by any mistakes made by Elections Canada. Case closed!


Damon
said

Why are the Conservative posters so interested in nullyfing student votes? Its not like it was a Liberal rally that went and voted after. Special ballots are done frequently enough, this isn't some rare event. Everyone should be pleased that the next generation was so actively involved in the political process. Good for them, glad to hear elections Canada didn't take away their voice.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

"This isn't 'bickering,' Mr. Harper, this is democracy." (Iggy; Tuesday's debate.) Nope. Sorry. Sounds like another case of Liberal "bickering" to me, Mr. Ignatieff. Those who truly know, understand, value, and respect "DEMOCRACY" (the Conservatives) are completely entitled to question whether advanced ballot-voting is being conducted in a kosher manner. In fact, Iggy, it is YOUR democratic duty and responsibility to care and be concerned about whether anything fishy was going on at the University of Guelph. Apparently, a certain Liberal doesn't genuinely grasp what "democracy" fully entails...but, of course, that doesn't seem to prevent this person from condescendingly lecturing others. Rich.


Allison (London)
said

Liberal Iggy is doing a full court press to dig as much garbage as he can. Iggy would rather talk about his favorite "garbage" and trash talk the PM than explain his unexciting "family pak" or his carbon Cap & Trade taxes which will raise the cost of everything we buy in Canada. Iggy is a failure.


Joe Public
said

Ah, poor conservative sheepos. They are all busy preparing an excuse to avoid acknowledging that their Grand Cyclops Harper has yet again misread the rules and regulations surrounding voting stations and tried to control it in his favour, once more. This is such a perfect example as to why the Cons will never have a majority in this land. I am glad the student were given the right to vote as per the rules of this land and even a Grand Cyclops cannot come to take that away from them


earl, Waterloo
said

Is the Guelph returning officer hoping for an ambassardorship or something when his party gains control? It would appear so.


danR
said

Conservatives also deny Guergis was thrown under the bus for bad optics reasons. And can you trust someone who won't look his debate opponents in the eye when he answers them?


sharptack
said

Elections Canada will always vote anti-Conservative. They have had sour grapes since they were taken to task on the funding dipute. They did not like losing the original ruling. They have been trying their best to strike back. I want to know what banners or party paraphenilia were at this vote? I want all the "students" and Iggy to know that, THIS is actually what is at the core of our democracy, THIS is what must be done fairly, safely and by the rules. Our voice and our vote should not be messed with. You want to call Harper anti-democratic then you support (wouldn't doubt plan) this little stunt?


Cambob in Toronto
said

"A politician has two loyalties here: loyalty to his party and a loyalty to the democratic system," Ignatieff said. "I'd like to see some loyalty to the democratic system from the prime minister." This coming from Ignatieff. A guy who has only been back in Canada for 4 years. Ignatieff has never been voted in a the Liberal leader and to top it all off: Etobicoke-Lakeshore is Ignatieff's riding, but his home is in trendy, upscale Yorkville - A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RIDING... Not only is Iggy absent from parliament, he is 100% absent from his OWN riding.. Is That Democracy Iggy???


Sean
said

This is the 3rd such special ballot conducted at UofG...it's not something just thought up to get back at the CON's, so get over yourselves.


BABE
said

I'm missing something hear, if they were going to have a polling station for one school wouldn't they have it for all the U schools in canada?? For it to be legit???


Andy Kanata
said

Jack Layton has correctly pointed out that the Liberals performed a similar deed in the Paul Martin days and Elections Canada sided with them. So Micheal and all who are busy pointing fingers at the Conservatives should probably do so in front of a mirror.


Dan
said

So there is an unauthorized ballot which Elections Canada admits. But even though it would appear that certain rules were broken and it's allowed to go ahead. If the rules are broken and there was no authorization please tell this True Believer in Democracy why it is considered valid. Whose idea was it to have a ballot at a University anyway. If there was no pre-authorization how was someone from the returning office there? Why were party publications allowed there if there. Why wasn't a Conservative scrutineer there as per the rules? so many questions that Ignatieff, the so called defender of democracy, doesn't think need answering. The media are complicit as well, as you can bet not a single journalist will get to the bottom of things in this matter. Ignatieff says that Canada haa lost the confidence of Steven Harper, well I have lost the confidence of Canada. I have never seen so much underhandedness and political bias in my life. Leaders making unfounded baseless accusations and comments without being called to task. The media ignoring mistakes and faux pas by the opposition leaders while jumping at every opportunity to embarrass one of the parties. It's sickening


Elekshun Tym from ON
said

@ Mitchy, You questioned whether we needed international observers to make sure Harper does not rig the election......We obviously need them to make sure we follow our own rules.


clane
said

ok, if these votes are vaild, why did the Cons get a lawyer to have them nulified? If Liberals were handing out campaign info why are they not being punished. If a local Conservative communications director tried to steal a ballot box why is he not being charged? tooo many questions around this whole mess


Arrenbe
said

So the truth comes out: Liberals are tolerant, open-minded democrats, and as such should be able to call anyone who isn't a Liberal by any epithet, to intimidate them into voting for their candidate, and to demand that Elections Canada bend the rules just for them. We must kiss their feet because only they are tolerant, and if anyone holds different opinions, they are undemocratic cretins. Ignatieff will then look at us like he just scraped us off his shoe. It's his "tolerant" look.


Len
said

An attempt to rig the election will backfire for Ignatieff. Student vote liberal because they are brainwashed by their liberal professors and their bill are paid by their mommy and daddy.


Fred N Ont
said

Makes one wonder if we can trust elections Canada when the real vote comes making up rules as you go I've always belived that rules were made before the race begins not during.


Jim McB
said

If I remember correctly, the Returning Officer is a member of the party that won the seat in the last election; Hmmmm I wonder what party that could be in this case? I want to know what campaign material was presented. I want to know why students can't go to a poll or vote in the normal advanced polls just like i did and still do. This smacks of something untoward. I cannot remember anywhere in the Elections Act where unauthorized polls can be authorized by a Returning Officer. I would like a reference, please. Is Elections Canada allowed to alter the rules of the Election Act during a campaign? How come no journalist has aked these questions? This is a travesty of the system for sure: but I am happy that the PM took the high road on the matter, not the finger pointing, name calling spectacle that we have come to expect from Ignatieff and the Liberal Party. This is the same Election Canada officials that are engaged in a court battle with the Conservative Party over the 2006 election. When you add it all up this stinks to high heaven.


Mitchy
said

Never in a million years would I believe that I'd see Canadians cheering their government's attempt to suppress a voting block because of whom they are perceived to support. The same Conservative lawyer who smeared Guergis actually tried to take the ballot box - which is so highly illegal that if he had succeeded he would have been thrown in prison. Some lawyer! Elections Canada knows how to do their job - Cons you need to stay the heck out of the way! Do we really need to get International Observers involved to make sure you will not rig the election?!


Jack R
said

Squirm and wiggle all you want Steve and the Reformed Reform - CPC but Canada has a pretty good supreme court for a reason. To protect the citizens against the oppression of governments that want to circumvent not only the law, but the constitution. I know a lot of supporters on CTV would prefer that we live under constant surveillance, and would ban any other party accept the CPC, but democracy works. And I'm damned glad of it. Suck on that CPC supporters.


Joel
said

I just need to comment about how emotionally charged and miss-guided a lot of these comments seem to me. When I hear about how "voters" are put off by the tone of parliament I just think about the nutty posts on these types of news sites and realize that they are better than we are.


CDM
said

@Brett MacDougall and other lefties that think the Conservatives and their supporters are wrong about this, Try READING the Elections Canada statement. If this was so above board, why have they instructed this returning officer and all others, to not let this happen again?


Andrew
said

Students have been ignored time and time again by the politicians during the campaigns, and usually rightly so, since the 18-24 demographic has the lowest voter turn out. I'm shocked to see that some people even in these comments would complain about these students being given a chance to vote. Many of them are living away from home and are unable to reach their home riding, so a special ballot is needed. You should be pleased to see students caring enough to be voting.


CDM
said

How many of you Liberals, acting all superior, actually read the Elections Canada statement. Read the last part below very carefully. This local initiative was WRONG but they've let it slide. Otherwise, if there was no problem doing this, then why did Elections Canada say don't do it again?"Initiatives of this nature are expected to be planned well ahead of the election," said Chief Electoral Officer of Canada Marc Mayrand. "Parties are consulted, to avoid any confusion and to give them an opportunity to raise any possible concerns so that these may be considered and, where appropriate, addressed prior to conducting such initiatives."Once Elections Canada officials were made aware of the local initiative in Guelph, the returning officer was instructed not to engage in any furhter activities of a similar nature. All returning officers have received this instruction.


Joel Richard
said

Of course it was valid, they had local elections Canada approval and was being observed by Elections Canada officials. This is how it has always been done.


Mao Iggy
said

Why don't people just read the latest news release from Elections Canada own site? "Elections Canada generally uses the special ballot outside the local Elections Canada office in defined circumstances to assist electors who face barriers to voting, such as electors in acute care hospitals or in isolated work camps in locations like Fort McMurray in northern Alberta." It is obvious that Guelph is located in such an area. Case closed. Democracy is blooming.


Dan from Northern Ont.
said

Once these students start working, and earning their own way in the world, they'll feel differently about 1/3 of their paycheck going away. As it stands now, students get most of the tax they pay returned, as well as GST refunds. Just wait until their tax returns dry up and they no longer qualify for GST... assuming they'll be able to find a decent paying job.


Darrell in Calgary
said

I posted this before but i guess ctv does not like facts. Elections Canada's website clearly states that the advance polls are friday April 22,23 and on monday the 25. Elections Canada broke their own laws. How can their vote be valid when no one else can vote before the 23?


Ian - Toronto
said

I can just imagine the hue and cry if the Liberals had been denied the opportunity to appoint a scrutineer, which is a right of all candidates vying for election. In the last election I served as a scrutineer in one of my local polls, and made it a point of being polite, and observant of the rules, including pointing out when I saw voters carrying or wearing promotional material. Incidentally, the local Member of Parliament also decided to swear at me -- twice in the space of about fifteen minutes -- and despite filing a complaint, I received no follow up as to what action was taken.


Jim - North Saanich, BC
said

An "UNAUTHORIZED" poll in a federal election and it is valid????? Sorry, that does not compute! Election day is 02 May, there are advance polls in every riding and you can also vote at any Elections Canada office right now. Talk about an open invitation to election fraud - unauthorized polls that are valid! Only in Canada you say! OMG!


Doug
said

This decision doesn't change a thing.One day the left leaning university students will have children who will be studying the May 2011 election in their history books. The title of the chapter will be "The End of the Age of Entitlement"!


WestofTheRockies
said

One simple thing Iggy needs to discover is that he's not in politics, he's in the sales game. He's selling the Liberal party and he's selling himself. One thing any sales person who has been succesful knows,...slagging your competitor any chance you get, does not work in the end. This type of selling only works with the uninformed. So... when questioned, they then throw out all sorts of outlandish promises about how they're changing the product to make it so much better. However If you want to be successful you must be able to articulate what you offer now that makes you and your product a better choice than choosing your competitor. So far we only know what Iggy thinks is wrong with the other product(s) and not one thing about how his product is better. He sounds like a guy who knows his product isn’t any better and is desperate so he'll say anything, or promise the world so just maybe you’ll change your mind and buy his. For those that do, he’ll pocket your money (or vote in this case) and run, you’ll have an inferior product and no back up when you need it. Buyer Beware!


Dave in Saanich
said

Not Authorized by Elections Canada but the votes can be still counted??? Who is in charge at Elections Canada, Goofy? If there were violations of procedure AT ANY POLL, shouldn't Elections Canada investigate rather than just shrug it off? Now there are more questions than answers. If anyone were to come across voting violations at a polling station, shouldn't they report it?


Brian
said

This is the kind of thing the military has done for years in all federal and provincial elections. Members of the forces who live outside of their home riding vote at advance polling stations set up on the bases. The ballots are sealed and sent to their ridings. This goes for member posted within Canada away from their own riding, as well as those posted overseas. Why the Conservatives are concerned about this is quite baffling.


Robert, kW
said

Who were the scruitineers at the special ballot?


Marg Phillips
said

Why are students being pandered to? Why are they NOT being treated like the rest of Canadians? By allowing this vote to be valid, they have opened a can of worms. This should never be allowed and no group of individuals should be catered to ever! These students want to be Engaged in the political process then they should vote the same way the rest of Canadians have to. Stop stomping your feet like the children you look like, and join the rest of the Canadians at the polls on polling day if you wish to be treated like and adult.


Brett MacDougall
said

I am laughing so hard at the conservatives who are now claiming that Elections Canada is biased.. seriously who won't you attack to refuse from admitting you're wrong about something!! And now bring on the leftist, liberal or whatever other hate fueled attacks you can come up with against me...


Kevin...
said

The Cons didn't want to see the vote go through because historically the youth vote always votes left. The vote followed the rules as outlined in the article and the Conservatives accepted that, get over it Con Bots.


Matthew
said

@It is what is: So sir need to read between the lines in the letter from Elections Canada. Cons don't like Rhubarb pie (To bitter). We prefer blueberry. This letter is laughable, humble pie is also best served with your tea tossing pals.


Elias Nasrallah
said

"Elections Canada says while a special ballot station set up at the University of Guelph earlier this month WAS NOT PRE-AUTHORIZED by the Chief Electoral Officer, it was still a legitimate vote." This is the quote at the start of this news story. If the vote was NOT pre-authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer, how is it still legitimate? I'm just saying!


Inquiry Minds
said

Surely, someone must have a video of the voting procedures taking place in Guelph. Please post it.


Brett MacDougall
said

@Canbuhay - please direct me to where Elections Canada has officially said there can be no more special ballots? Seriously, provide a link to that information.. if you can't stop it's pure conjecture coming from your own biased opinion... geesh the conservatives troll hard on this site


Ed
said

I think we all can remember that Elections Canada has one set of rules for the Conservatives and another for everybody else. Al least the university offices were not raided by police with liberal memers in tow.


Brett MacDougall
said

If there was such an injustice going on why didn't they take pictures on their phones? EVERYONE has a camera phone these days.. yet no videos... no pictures... hmm how else could they prove it? ( Don't know why I have to tell them how to prove their supposed facts, sigh) Hmm how about they prove they live in the community of Guelph some how, wouldn't be that hard.. or how about they post their full name and stand by their statements??


Keith BC
said

Did Canada not send election observers to Haiti ?Could we have some Haitian officials to come here to monitor our polling stations ! I will be away for the election and also over the advance poll times. You should see the hoops I have to jump through to vote . Access to a vote should be the same for all!!!!!!!!!


It's what it is
said

Dwight_js has made me laugh! Thanks Dwight! Now we'll probably hear that Elections Canada is dominated with Liberal supporters or some other nonsensical conservative protest spins. Let me help you cut up that humble pie Dwight, there's a lot of hungry Cons out there right now! LOL


Jack - AB
said

This should teach everyone a very valuable lesson. Always confirm the information direct from an authorized individual to speak on behalf of the source and not some 3rd party!!! Don't trust anything to be true or correct if it comes from a politician or a lawyer! That's why rather than listening to these leaders talk I look at their actions and platforms (with careful attention to the numbers) to decide who to vote for. Any inappropriate actions at the voting station are the responsibility of the official in charge there to control. The votes would still count and be valid but the person in charge needs to lay out the rules and enforce them. Why are the Liberals supporting student voting and not the Tories? Maybe Harper doesn't want students to vote? Students, go vote and decide your future yourselves.


Mark
said

Outragous. One set of rules, for everyone. Period. Elections Canada is becoming an embarassment. They are bureaucrats with "God" syndrome.


redbeardbob@hotmail.com
said

Love how the conbots are once again frothing at the mouth at an attempt at democracy. All together now Heil Harper! ABC


Steve in Vancouver
said

lm pretty sure leaving all the rhetoric behind that most of us really knows what is going on here. Count Iggy's pursuit of power to ease the souls of his royal ancestors has no limits. Democracy is being stomped on here. We need to stomp back and march to the properly sanctioned polling stations and vote.


al
said

I know who I want to win the election, I know what type of Government I want. Elections Canada need to make sure all rules are adhered to whether its student, seniors or any other group. I am dissapointed in Elections Canada and I hope there are further investigations. It sounds like rules were broken and certain parties were trying to influence the vote illegally.az


Dwight_js
said

lol - to the rabid posters below who acted as judge, jury, and executioner by condemning the ballot as invalid and illegal......a nice big slice of humble pie, anyone?


Tim - Calgary
said

If this kind of vote happened in Afghanistan or Libya or any other Third World country, it would be labelled with 'irregularities' and be condemned by human rights groups and the media. But Liberal supporters seem to support this kind of banana republic voting right here in Canada.


Will
said

I think the PM needs to apologize on behalf of his staff who ran away with a ballot box. I don't care what the Conservatives are saying, it belongs to Elections Canada, no political party should be physically interfering with the results.


Andy Kanata
said

Prof. Pye Chartt is right in his assessment. I have to shake my head and wonder how an unelected party leader, who also tried to become an unelected Prime Minister can lecture us on democracy. He continues to turn the campaign into Question Period to take the focus off of the issues that will affect Canadians in their pocketbook and daily lives. He is like a used car salesman who wants me to focus on the paint job so that he doesn't have to open the hood. All politicians have a 6 week campaign to present and defend their platform. There are only 2 weeks left to go. Can any one of you tell me what you would do, why you would do it and how you would pay for it? That is what really matters.That is what will affect our daily living and our future.


Tim - Calgary
said

Joey @ Ont said There's an interesting article (maybe globe or national post) and it has the voter intentions of the youth group 18-24...and wow wouldn't the HoC look different." That's because students haven't learned how the real world works yet or how much their taxes are squandered on social re-engineering projects like the Liberals and NDP propose. Students think they can change the world by snapping their fingers until they realize how much tax is needed for that. Exactly like Churchill once said "If you're young and don't vote liberal, then you have no heart. If you're old and don't vote conservative, then you have no brain".


beisbol
said

What's next the Blue Jays mascot running on the field with a blank cheque demanding money from the Federal Government. The Liberal tricks from the Chretien years. Is it true Layton had a meeting with Chretien? Wasn't Chretien in Trudeau's cabinet the last time there was a coalition with the NDP? Mmm.


Canbuhay
said

The problem is the Canadian Federation of Students and their ilk have been usurping democracy on university campuses across Canada and so this is nothing new. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a Liberal ploy to once again attack the Tories knowing full well they would complain about the cheating. But one cannot escape facts - If this was such a good idea, then why has Elections Canada instructed the rest of its employees to NOT do this again? Instructing people how to vote, not having all parties represented as scrutineers and campaigning for a party too close to the ballots is NOT democratic and anyone attacking the Tories for complaining about this ballot are the ones who are being anti-democratic. Next thing you know dead people and illegal immigrants will be deciding votes for us in Canada, like they do in the US.


Pete M
said

@ Brett and Joey Can you explain how are they supposed to 'prove it"?


dean
said

Amazing the blantant left wing bias by a supposedly "unbiased" elections Canada. This polling station by their own admission was not proper, but was allowed to go ahead. If this were in a Conservative stronghold, would they have declared the ballots illegal and destryoed? YES This bunch have hammered the Conservative Party relentlessly while allowing liberals deadline extensions of years to pay off debts from the last leadership race that made Dion leader. Never has any national party been under such relentless attack by any federal agency. Stalin would be proud. Is this the new one party "democracy" state we're heading for?


Gerald Roberts
said

"'This is insane ! Elections Canada has blown this and the votes should be invalid ! I hope all the parties take them to task ! If they have a pre authorized event then Election Canada should be there to monitor the poll. It appears that there were breaches to the act !"- Elections Canada officials WERE THERE .. there were no breaches to the act.. everything was valid.. So now the conservatives are going to attack Elections Canada ?!!?!! The conservative party sounds like Lindsay Lohan, everyone is "out to get you" .. it's all just one big conspiracy.. yup that makes a lot of sense.


Tim - Calgary
said

Elections Canada release: "Once Elections Canada officials were made aware of the local initiative in Guelph, the returning officer was instructed not to engage in any further activities of a similar nature." So it was a screw-up, but the vote will be allowed to stand. Wow! Third World style voting right here in Canada and the Liberals support it. Elections Canada deserves it's tarnished image.


eddy
said

Ignateiff lies when he states the Prime Minister checks Facebook page of people coming to meetings. It was security who identified a young person, identified on Facebook as a "friend" of Ignateiff and escorted the person out. The PM would not have known of the incident at the time.Ignateiff is not one to let the truth or facts get in the way of an opportunity to smear. His only hope of saving his job, is to make untruthful allegations and smears and hope the gullible believe.


Brett Mac
said

What is wrong with you people? The vote was 100% LEGAL .. I have yet to see any proof to the contrary.. if there was party material there then PROVE IT. . all of you are stating your own personal biased opinions as if they are fact.. what is wrong with you, this isn't what the Canada I love is about.. stop the hate, stop the lies, stop trying to win at all costs.. disgusting


Matthew
said

Just called a buddy who is studying Enviroment Eng at Guelp U. He's actually scared, there are people getting in your face just walking to class. If you dont take the hand outs, they throw them at you and call you names. He went to voting the station, it was red everything, being handed out inside and out, there were posters over all the walls. People yelling at other people going in to vote for the liberals and there future as students (Which is odd becuase most of them would be out of school by the time they saw any money). People asking who you voted for on the way out.... this whole situation stinks. I love the passion being showed by young minds, however, I think these young minds are over stepping there bounds. There is a long history of violent students in Guelph towards the local community. Someone has already touched on this. However, I dont think you all realize just how Liberal our post secondary education centres have become. I got an F in university from a prof, who off the record told me my views and ideas had no place in his classroom. What we have going on isnt democracy, it is almost in line with gorilla warfare politics, by young minds with out the wisdom or sense maturity to temper their actions. But what ever, like everything else, you wont post my view, iam not pro liberal.


kman
said

This is not an attack on democracy, it is standing up for it by enforcing the rules of society. Had it been the other way around, that is to say if Conservatives were handing out pamphlets at the polling station then there would be so many tears from the Liberals you could float a ship. And by the way studentsmustvote ..... that is MY MONEY you are planning to spend ... so jog on and get a bloody job of your own. No one paid for my education but me.


Linda (Richmond Hill)
said

Enough already! This is so childish. As an average Canadian, I want to hear about what these parties are going to do to help me and my family. People have lost or are losing their jobs, can't make ends meet, but we don't hear about these issues. All we hear are these childish games. This is so sad. This is has turned me off. I can't remember the last time I heard about the issues, what really matters to people struggling each day to put food on the table. It seems everybody is so focused on digging up dirt on the next person that they have forgoten about the Canadian voters. If the voter turn out was bad last time, what do you think will happen this time around, with all of these nonsense?


my take on this
said

When Prof. Types-A-Lot ends his rant with... Thanks, that is his way of "trying" to control or end the discussion. Like many on his side of the fence it's all about power and control. Prof. you are way too far out in right field and about one step away from armbands and jackboots.


Jamie D
said

No matter how hard you eastern Conservatives try, you will never be apart of the West. Oil, potash, uranium, coal, and copper money is to stay out west, and as soon as the majority of a western party happens, we will be moving to ensure that Ontario gets off its duff and makes it's economy go with it's own resources, and not transfer payments like the welfare state it is. The Stelco/U.S. Steel thing is evidence you are all sell out artists, and you can just stay in the east where you belong.


Tom
said

This is insane ! Elections Canada has blown this and the votes should be invalid ! I hope all the parties take them to task ! If they have a pre authorized event then Election Canada should be there to monitor the poll. It appears that there were breaches to the act ! This is not about encouraging students to vote, it is about following legal procedures so that all citizens rights are equal ! Harper is correct and all parties should stand up for proper procedure ! Next thing they will set it up at the campus pub and candidates can buy the beer ! This is a shame to see leaders using things like this for partisanl gain !


Norman, Kitchener
said

The only real issue that needs to be addressed is the Harper government is un-democratic. There is no place for their behaviour in Canadian politics. They have to go. Or, Harper has to be replaced by someone reasonable.


Joey @ Ont
said

@Brett MacDougall They can't prove it Brett, because they weren't there. CPC supporters think it's okay to just go to random news articles and write slanderous things, it's their nature of hating democracy I guess. Trust me, if the youth vote - Harper is in a for world of hurt in the polls. There's an interesting article (maybe globe or national post) and it has the voter intentions of the youth group 18-24...and wow wouldn't the HoC look different. For starters the Bloc would be the official opposition of the Liberal gov't...with the NDP and Greens ahead of the CPC.


Burpnrun
said

Parsing the Elections Canada statement:1. We goofed. The Conservatives were right.2. We have instructed all Returning Officers to immediately discontinue these illegal polls.3. To not penalize those who already voted, their votes will be considered valid.The Conservatives are vindicated. Otherwise (if it was a legal practice) these types of polls would have been continued. But no, they have been shut down forever.Ignatieff was wrong. May we expect an apology from Ignatieff today?


Calibri
said

Help Guelph is absolutely right! There was no need to create a special ballot for these students. The election is May 2, and all the students will be home and able to vote in their home riding. I was a U of G student and this on-campus recuriting and shoving Liberal literature in hands and pressuring people to vote at the university is true. It's also unfair and undemocratic. Unfortunately the media is so Liberal that they are playing the story as if the Conservatives are being undemocratic. It's the Liberals who are undemocratic!! And if this special ballot was really fair, then why did Elections Canada instruct the Returning Officer not to do it again. Clearly it violated the rules and they've decided to make an exception because of the student whining. I am so sick of this notion of one rule for Liberals and one rule for everyone else. Grow a backbone Elections Canada!


NLP in Cambridge
said

ANY CANADIAN CITIZEN (be it a politician or ordinary individual) has the right to question whether a polling station is being run properly (i.e. absolutely NO politicing, pamphlets, signs, or even political party colours are allowed anywhere near a polling station) and following the rules that every other polling station has to follow. Iggy would like us to believe that he would not have questioned it's validity. Yah right!


nobody
said

Make sure you vote smart...no majority for any party. Every vote against the favorite is 2 for a minority gov. They are not doing this for the voter or our country. C = dictator , L = offshore concepts , NDP = bankruptcy , G = unknown. Good luck Canada.


back and to the left
said

Steve's quote from the above story. "Our concern is simply that the rules for advance polling, that all the rules of the election be respected and that is our sole concern in this particular matter," he said.People, lets be fair. Steve should ask his buddies Conservative Senator Doug Finley and Conservative Senator Irving Gerstein to look into this matter.


Tom from Quebec
said

More bias from Elections Canada. Lets forget the rules and just let the students do whatever they want without proper authority or following the process. You cannot hand out any political literature or pressure people into voting a certain way at a poll. PERIOD!!!!


Charles
said

As someone who has faced this kind of student activity in Victoria, I can support and sympathise with help in Guelph.Way back, I went to find out what Stephen Harper was all about, and was stunned at what we had to face there. Hundreds of almost maniacal students who had to be held back behind barriers by a large police presence. I had one young woman snarling and spitting at me, and accusing me of being a traitor to democracy. This, from someone who was able to do what she was doing because millions like me and my two brothers(one of whom died) went to war to preserve it for this raving creature. It was all very dispiriting, to say the least.


Brett MacDougall
said

"As someone who was there I can tell you there were liberal supporters handing out material and getting in your face to try and talk you into why you should vote liberal. I didn't vote there, however, I did notice the goings on and went to see. At first, I thought it was a political rally but later learned people were voting inside. Seems kind of sketchy, but I'm not sure if they broke any laws." -- Prove you were there.. seriously if you're going to make anonymous claims like that then back it up.. prove it


Tim - Calgary
said

I’m inviting everyone here to my backward this Sunday afternoon for a barbecue and ballot. Steaks and beer will be available and you can cast your vote at the same time. The ballot station won’t be pre-authorized by Elections Canada, but according to what they said, the votes will count. So come on over!


Tim - Calgary
said

If this un-preauthorized ballot station had been done in a Third World country, the media and human rights groups would have labelled it with 'irregularities'.


M.M.B. Ont
said

To Help Guelph... I believe in what you are saying. What you are saying is going on is not right and has to be stopped. No one should be afraid to leave their homes and Harper is trying to get tougher crime laws. First Elections Canada said the poll wasn't sanctioned and now suddenly it is legit. Something stinks here. The media and Iggy are so quick to report on anything to discredit Harper yet the Conservatives had every reason to doubt the legitimacy of the poll. As one student said.. Liberal supporters were right there asking the students to vote Liberal. I thought such practices were not allowed when citizens are voting.


Ra Hon
said

So now it would appear as if Elections Canada is supporting the Liberals, according to some posters on here they actually were confronted AT the "polling station" with liberal supporters 'in their face' Hmm I am sure this is not what is allowed when we oversee elections in Third World countries, eh?

Vancouver Maria
said

lm going to set up a poll tomorrow and call my friends from the neighbourhood to vote. If one group can do it so can any other like minded group. Count Iggy says this is democracy. And he knows as he was appointed leader of the Liberals. He was also appointed to represent his constituents even though he doesn't live there. Count Iggy lives in a much tonier district. Hail democracy Iggy style.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

Dear CTV Moderator: Edited and improved, for your approval...Mr. Ignatieff, does it show "contempt for democracy" when concerns are expressed regarding the legitimacy of a voting poll and perceived irregularities surrounding a ballot station? Really, Iggy? Interesting. Isn't it, in fact, the very opposite? Does it not show "contempt for democracy" when, say, a party leader is appointed and not elected by the party membership, when said leader and Member of Parliament is "detached" from his constituents (as journalistically reported), when that MP doesn't even reside within his riding, and/or when that leader and Member of Parliament has an unjustifiably poor attendance/voting record in the House of Commons? Hmm. Kindly spare us the seemingly endless hypocritical lectures about democracy and democratic principles, Mr. Ignatieff. Thanks.


Peter in mb
said

I think elections Canada better read their own act. Having worked at a ballet station in the past it is illegal to have any party signage or party reps handing out pamphlets within 100 meters of the premiums of where the ballot station is located. I expect Elections Canada to file formal charges against the liberal party of Canada for violation of the elections Canada Act.


George in Fredericton
said

"Elections Canada says while a special ballot station set up at the University of Guelph earlier this month was not authorized by the Chief Electoral Officer" A special ballot coordinator, appointed by the local returning officer, oversaw the activities at the University of Guelph "Got to wonder who paid him/her to break the law. Better question is why is Elections Canada supporting it." A special ballot (according to the act) is something a student must apply for , and then mail in or deliver to elections Canada on or before Election Day. Apparently CTV doesn't want the actual Elections Act relating to this subject posted. They didn't post it when I entered it some time ago. Maybe they will allow the last line relating to this. Guess you have to look the whole thing up yourself. Taken directly from the Elections Canada Act section 3 SPECIAL BALLOT KIOSKS, where students could apply and vote at the same time or place ARE NOT PERMITTED.


John
said

Great, the votes count. Whether they vote at school or at home in their own ridings, what possible difference could it make? End of story.


Facts
said

@Students Must VoteYour statement: "If you want guaranteed financial assistance for post secondary education there is only one option, you must vote for theLiberal Party. The long term plan is money for life." Shows exactly why ill-informed students should not be voting at all. As much as I hated paying higher tuition each year and paying (still) my student loans, socialized higher education is not the answer. Ask anyone from the UK, where England has had free tuition for middle and low income families for years. Lots of fresh university grads, but no jobs for them, hence why I have two new UK nationals working at with me atm...they have no choice but to leave. And now students in the UK are paying for it...tuition goes up 3X nearly overnight. While the Liberal policies may seem sweet, somebody always pays for it in the end and long-term effects aren't realized for years after.


Fred
said

What was Harper afraid of? Like Ignatieff said, what Harper can't control, Harper shuts down.


Ra Hon
said

It is NOT legal to vote the way the students tried. Elections Canada makes the Rules and other than the prescribed Advanced polls, voting by mail etc are NOT valid. Another reason Ignatieff is out of touch, he doesn't even know the Voting Rules for Federal elections. Still with this biased media, CTV and CBC what can you expect? Headlines always trashing the Conservatives. Doubt that this post will ever see the light of day! See you decided, CTV, not to post, Ha your Liberal Red is showing now!


Brad
said

Anne in Ottawa once you vote your name is registered that you voted and if you try again you are flagged and your second vote is null and void.


Donnie
said

wait, now that Elections Canada deemed them valid, let's see in 3,2,1, the posts from CPC supporters talk about a big conspiracy with Elections Canada, and the opposition parties....wait for it, I swear these people don't understand anything.


Jon in London ON
said

@ Factoid - How does anyone else breathe when you enter a room? I'm not as smart as you because I believe in limited government and self reliance? As a side note, I have often wondered why we conservatives are called the "right" and the liberals are called the "left." By chance, I came upon this verse in the Bible: "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left." Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV). It fits....


Steve in Vancouver
said

This student poll is so wrong and cheapens democracy and the only beneficiary is the Liberal party. It only deserves one response from all voters and that is a strong Conservative majority.


DH
said

Hey Factoid, It's really cool that you can spout out "facts" and "stats" without actually claiming where they came from. "It's been shown..." Really? Where? What's your source? If you're going to give us stats, make sure that there's proof. I'm a Conservative voter with five years of post-secondary education and a degree to my name. I've got student loans that I've almost finished paying off. I've worked my way through these kinds of things and didn't need the "nanny state" you're hoping for to coddle me all the way through. I know of many educated people (well beyond high school) that vote Conservative. Get your "facts" straight and stop making unsubstantiated claims. Everyone knows, anyways, that 74.8% of stats quoted are just made up anyways.


CMQ
said

Key note: It had to be verified whether this was a legal vote or not. Did those who voted have their registration card for it to be noted they voted with this list going to elections Canada because if they didn't what is to stop them from voting here and then voting with the reg card they receive in their home town in the mail? There is a reason why there is a process. It is easy to cry fowl when opposing a certain party but we have to be careful we do not allow our freedoms to get to a point where votes are not registered so mulitple voting does not take place. Accountability and freedom go hand in hand let's not forget that. And before anyone jumps all over me this is not an endorsement for any particular party, rather an attempt to look at how voting can be abused in the name of freedom.


Mike from Calgary
said

I love how people pick and choose what they read in articles like this. From what I can tell, the only thing the Conservatives did was ask Elections Canada to investigate, well within the realms of democracy. If Elections Canada deems it a legal poll, then the votes will count, if it is found to be illegal then the votes well be considered void. Either way, it is democracy, and we can't have anyone trying to circumvent this cherished institution.


FCS
said

This whole contempt-for-democracy thing Iggy keeps hammering on doesn't realy seem to be catching on with voters does it? Kinda hard to sell the notion someone is anti democracy when they are participating in a free and fair election and when you yourself have shown a fondness for living outside the country you suddenly want to rule. But I guess you have to do something when your policy book is from 1997.


Awake
said

This is beginning to smell bad. I get the sense here Ignatieff jumped on the 'Conservatives are crushing democracy' band wagon before looking. As much as the left bloggers on this site rail against 'US style' politics, they are eagerly willing to do any Saul Alinski stunt to create an Obama type victory here in Canada, and they have pinned all their hope on Ignatieff. That is a big mistake. The air of desperation around the Liberal campaign is becoming a strong stench.


MARG MM
said

Sounds to me that that the Conservatives WERE standing up for democracy. If this was an illegal polling station and rules were NOT being followed, then the votes should not count. Perhaps Michael Ignatieff should wait for the facts before putting his "foot in his mouth" once again. Frankly, he should be spending more time trying to convince people why they should vote for him, rather than constantly "sniffing out" so-called dirt on the Conservatives. It looks like Mr Ignatieff main rivals now are the NDP, unless, of course, he has a pact with them that will take place after the election. Actually this whole "mud slinging" thing by the Liberals along with the help of the media, is getting more suspicious by the day.


Readsomething
said

This just in...Elections Canada has declared the poll valid. So what was Harper afraid of???


Anne in Ottawa
said

Someone may have already brought this up, but what is preventing someone from voting in this special poll and then voting in the riding they reside in the rest of the year? This causes me great concern.


Facts
said

As someone who was there I can tell you there were liberal supporters handing out material and getting in your face to try and talk you into why you should vote liberal. I didn't vote there, however, I did notice the goings on and went to see. At first, I thought it was a political rally but later learned people were voting inside. Seems kind of sketchy, but I'm not sure if they broke any laws.


John
said

If it violates the act, the votes don't count. If it's legal, they count. End of story. The media is turning this election into a "can't see the forrest for the trees" drama.


Paul, NS
said

Folks, there's a link right at the top of this article to a statement from Elections Canada, the vote is valid, and slandering other parties is unCanadian and could land you in court. Suggest level heads prevail. Again, the vote IS valid and will stand. Thank you.


DJBay
said

Where did the ballots come from? Are they official ballots? Who released them for the students to use? How about the ballot box ? There is more to this story then is reported. If it looked like an official polling station - with official ballots, boxes, etc - I think Elections Canada has a problem, and it is not a communications one.


Seriously
said

I am so sick of everyone jumping on a band wagon even when they don't know all the details, and as for Iggy he will do anything to try and sway the vote his way, and I am here to tell you his way is not the way a canadian should even consider. Right now we are the best run country in the world, have the best economic recovery, just look at the US who might not even be able to make their payments to the bank which looks after their fundings. That is where we will be if people vote Liberal for Iggy.....Conservative is the way to continued growth.....come on people lets give Conservatives a majority vote and stop all these elections every couple years.


Noesis
said

There's two possibilities here:1) The poll is sanctioned and the votes count and the Conservative campaign manager attempted to commit vote fraud by stealing legitimate ballotsor2) The poll is not sanctioned and Elections Canada wouldn't count them and the Conservative campaign manger attempted to steal private property.Campaign managers and political party lawyers are not to be trusted when they make claims that might affect the outcome of an election.The responsible thing is to contact Elections Canada and the police and have them deal with the issue. When the campaign manager attempted to shut it down personally he showed that he doesn't trust the University of Guelph, the students, the police, or Elections Canada. After all you can't just show up at the Elections Canada offices and say "Here's a box of votes that I collected". If the vote wasn't sanctioned they won't count the votes.


Lilypad
said

This was NOT an illegal poll. In fact, it wasn't really a poll at all, it was a special ballot station, which is not governed by exactly the same laws as a polling station, though they are mostly the same. Some people are saying that the students "should have had to wait until a normal polling day, just like everyone else". This is NOT true, and shows an ignorance of electoral law in Canada. Any Canadian can vote on ANY day of the writ, by special ballot. As long as there is a nominated candidate in the riding where you reside, you can go into any elections Canada office or special ballot station (like the one set up at U of G), and cast your vote. This is not widely advertised, as it might make an election difficult to manage, but if you go to the elections Canada website, they make this clear. You can also mail in a vote any day as well, if you have the right paperwork.


Lorie
said

Frankly I think Iggy's constant repetitive rhetoric on the Conservatives not supporting democracy is slanderous, petty and totally boring.Iggy obviously does not have anything of value in policies to communicate to Canadians, or he would spend his time doing that!The Liberals problem is their leader. They have made a mistake twice now, and are living with their decisions.


Factoid
said

Dave said "Don't be so sure students are going to vote Liberal. Some of us are studying science and engineering, not arts, and will be going on to well paying jobs" Doesn't matter what they're studying. It's been shown that the more education someone has the less likely they are to vote Conservative. A plurality of people with high school or less education vote Conservative now.


ben in tillsonburg
said

If elections canada find these votes unlawful the students might miss the opportunity to vote in their own ridings. If this happens will the conservatives be praised for trying to uphold the law?


allan
said

Again, Iggy shows he has no common sense. The ballot was obviously not as it should be, and Iggy is defending this? He talks about working with other parties, but they why are we in an election nobody wants? Libs are jumping at anything that moves, making themselves look really silly. He thinks Canadians are stupid.


Help Guelph
said

I am a resident of Guelph, I was born in Guelph General Hospital and have spent all my life as a resident of this town. For many years now the UofG has hijacked our municipal, provincial and federal elections and ultimately hijacked our town.These misguided children do not represent the citizens of Guelph and we have been trying for years to get rid of the corrupt militant regimes they force on us.We citizens of Guelph have tried to out vote them, we seriously tried however these kids are vicious and militant, they attack homes of anyone displaying a NDP or Conservative sign, the downtown scene resembles a war zone at nights, and they scare people to stay home and not vote out of fear for their lives or the lives of their family. I know kids from the UofG will read my post and ultimately insult me saying they are block voting and telling us who our leader should be for our own good, but I ask that we the citizens of Guelph be heard… Yes you have us scared, we are weary, and we realize we have no hope of electing a MP capable of representing the needs of our city, your Liberal MP will get in despite our wishes. We ask you take a look at how you’re achieving this at the cost of democracy, take a good look at the people you are hurting and take a good look at those teachers you follow. Teachers are blinded by their greed and will fill your heads with nonsense favoring a political party willing to fill their pension. Please educate yourselves, what you are doing is not democracy, it is fascism. Please help us.I thank those of you for listening,Guelph


Cymru-YYC
said

Brilliant, Harper is brilliant! Until reading this article I had forgot that the Universities are out for summer in late April. The brilliance is that the University students cannot organise any vote blocks, it’s a brilliant Conservative strategy to undermine democracy in a legal way! Add this example in Calgary the Conservative Candidate, Michel Rempel did not even show to a debate in her riding at the U of Calgary. (Had a conflict after the students changed the mediator to one the conservatives could approve)


mark
said

Elections Canada has stated that this was NOT a legitimate advanced-polling site. In other words, no control over fair and accurate polling conditions. Furthermore, there is evidence that SEVERAL key elections Canada laws were breached at this polling site, including the presence of campaign materials near the voting booth. This is NOT evidence of Conservatives attempting to derail the democratic process. Besides, Ignatieff has no room to criticize; former Liberal MP Tony Ianno's campaign manager shut down polling at U of T in 2006 because they were upset at how the student's votes might affect his re-election. This is not news, it is gossip!


Wills
said

According to the article"...the vote at Guelph was not an advance poll, as those won't begin until Friday, April 22. " Instead, this was a Special ballot set up ahead of time for students. What is difference here, if you can't vote in Guelph, then vote in your home town! Special ballot polls are, infact, advance polls with different wording. I would like to know, and perhaps a UofG student could explain this, if students are mandated to show their student card to prove they are a student and not a member of the Guelph community. Why would that matter you ask? Special polls are meant for students, not for regualar members of the Guelph community. If non-students, such as administators at the University, are voting at this poll to cross "vote'' from their agenda, then this would then be an irregularity.


Willy
said

We stand up collectively as a country and denounce 3rd world elections where there is no oversight nor control. We brag about how our elections are fair, transparent and by rule of law. Now we have a poll, however well intentioned that was NOT sanctioned, nor under the rule of law. So why are the Liberals supporting it - Never mind contemp of parliament, this is contempt of the electoral process and the democratic system. If only common sense were actually common in this election....


Dave
said

Don't be so sure students are going to vote Liberal. Some of us are studying science and engineering, not arts, and will be going on to well paying jobs. There may have been a bunch of "vote Liberal" peer pressure at this rally, but some of us can look to the future and are not interested in the sort of debt the Liberal party wants us to be burdened with.


Rocky7
said

Election fraud at a university and Ignatieff complains that the results don't count?Figures.


Andy Kanata
said

ProLib has got it right. He reacted to this story with his intellect and not his emotions. If our politicians would present us with the opportunity to use our intellect - by detailing what they would do and how if they form the next government - and not just play to our emotions, we would all benefit and the end product may just be a government with a plan that we all understand and can buy in to.


Vickie
said

I don't have a problem with anyone voting in advanced polls. Great idea to actually have polls in the colleges and universities before the end of the year for them. The problem is, they must be sanctioned and planned polls. They must have the appropriate voting registration. Not all students at the University would belong to one riding. If we are going to count all the votes they would have to have the appropriate candidates listed. I don't believe the Conservatives are wrong in this request. I do think that Ignetieff will do anything to yell and scream foul when he himself would not be party to this kind of polling if it was really in what he believes the best interest of Canada. I am hoping that the Liberal Leader is not screaming foul based on the fact that it was a University in Ontario who held the unsanctioned advanced polls...Wonder what would have happened had it been a Maritime University?


Karen P.
said

Can you both please leave the University of Guelph students alone. They are in the midst of final exams and don't need to be drawn in to your games. I expect more of someone vying for the top spot of this country. I do not know what went on with this poll, but these young Canadians took valuable time out of their study schedules to exercise their vote and now you two have turned it into a circus. A proud example for our young! NOT! I would expect better behaviour from my children. Since Harper and Ignatieff just want to bicker back and forth, maybe Jack Layton and Elizabeth May should investigate this matter as I am not confident in the abilities of the other two clowns!


Jim in Ontario
said

There are rules to having a fair vote. Elections Canada will reveal whether this is another phony Ignatieff "scandal" or not.


AW in GTA
said

Did I miss some fine print on Election Canada website? I've always been under the impression that you can only vote on election day, on specific advance voting days, or vote by mail/in person at local Elections Canada Office if you'll be away on election day and advance voting days. This "Mob Vote" obviously doesn't fall into any of the above categories, so technically it's illegal and votes cast have to be annulled. It's more like the mock voting sessions held in schools for students who are not of voting age. Perhaps we should count those as well? I'd never have imagined we'd encounter voting irregularities here in Canada, but apparently some would do anything to collect more votes for the parties other than the Conservatives.


Curtis
said

The real story should read "IGGY AND LIBERAL PARTY SUPPORT ILLEGAL VOTING" The true liberal colors show with Iggys lack of respect for the voting process. But he is more use to USA STYLE voting and all the problems they have in his favorite country!!


keith BC
said

This is outrageous and the ballots must be destroyed . The LIB leader strikes again with ignorance! Buy your votes legally.


Pip
said

Who has more authority in this matter? Elections Canada (the Conservative letter states ". . . an Elections Canada official confirmed that the poll wasn't sanctioned") and the Canada Elections Act; or a "vote mob' who took things into their own hand with no regard for legal requirements - reportedly Liberal campaign material in the voting place, denying a scrutineer access to the process. Mr. Ignatieff should be very careful here, as it seems to me that he is not upholding the law, something he swore to do when he took his oath of office. There are legal requirements during elections for very specific reasons. he has already bribed students with promises of largesse if he becomes PM, now he apparently supports putatively illegal voting activities. Perhaps he belongs in the early 19th century, when a "rotten borough" would have fit him perfectly.


Matthew
said

Some people on here seem to have a problem with their understanding of the electoral system. (1) There is a thing known as special polls. This is distinct from advanced polls. They are used for historically underrepresented groups (e.g. students).(2) A sanctioned special poll *is* legitimate.(3) If this poll was not sanctioned, they would have difficulty getting any of the required materials, most importantly, an Elections Canada ballot box.(4) In the past two Federal elections, a special poll *was* sanctioned at the University of Guelph. (5) This is in no way comparable to going to your church or place of work and polling random people, the entire purpose of special polls is to provide names/etc. They then get crossed off the electoral list.(6) Anyone who has ever worked in an election (in any capacity - Deputy Returning Officers, Polling Clerks, Scrutineers... whatever) should know these things.Now please stop embarrassing yourselves with your disturbing lack of civic knowledge.Thanks.


k markham
said

The important thing to remember here is that this was a secret ballot where every student had the opportunity to cast their vote democratically. No one know's the result of this ballot so why would the Conservatives try to impede democracy. Obviously the Conservatives are afraid of the youth vote as it is apparent most youth in this country will not vote for the Conservatives, we will only really know that if the youth do vote. We need to engage young people in this country to vote. Many of the policies brought in by the next government will directly effect our future working generation for the next decade and beyond. Our youth should be allowed the democratic freedom to cast their vote without interference by any political party. I am 49 and I trust and value the opinion of our youth. I appeal to the Conservative party to not interfere with the democratic process and allow our youth to be able to vote without political interference. I appeal to our youth to not be discouraged by this undemocratic action and go and vote, its your right and it should not be taken away from you.


proLib
said

First off, I am a pro-liberal supporter.With that in mind...let me now add me two cents:Although the University has been allowed to offer an early polling station for the last three elections, it does create an exceptionality. Why does the UofG get an early polling station when the rest of Canada has to, by law, wait for another week? Perhaps I am wrong in thinking that it should be the same policy from sea to sea?Secondly, I think some people need to calm down. The votes are secured and I trust that no tampering will occur. If this election poll is deemed to be proper and within regulations, then the poll will continue and the votes will stand. If, however, Elections Canada does find irregularities, then the votes should not be counted....as the law mandates. Pretty darn simple, and if there irregularities, then perhaps we should thank the Conservatives for pointing them out. There is nothing undemocratic happening here....and infact, everything democratic is occuring: complaint, investigation, resolution in a peaceful way.


LML13 - Ottawa
said

Considering the fact that the first advance polls are not until the 22 April, how can this be a legitimate casting of votes. Election Canada should make a thorough investigation of this issue. There seems to be a lot of posturing on behalf of the Liberal Party and its leader.


DH
said

When I read the comments on this post, it makes me cringe. Did any of the Liberal supporters actually read the article? The polling station was NOT sanctioned and, therefore, not legitimate. The fact that Ignatieff supports this polling station's existence means that he has contempt for the proper running of our democratic system. The Tory candidate that showed up trying to pull the box did a stupid thing, no doubt. His actions, however, were not illegal because the votes at that station should be void, no matter what. I can't believe the spin by the Liberals trying to show that Conservatives have "contempt" for the democratic process. If anything, they were showing proper respect for it by not allowing this unsanctioned polling station to exist. Shame on the students at Guelph University for trying to subvert the democratic process in this way as well.


TaDa
said

I'd like to see some loyalty to Canadian citizens above loyalty to the party.


Jack - AB
said

Harper isn't happy if students start voting across the country because they'll support the Liberals. Not sure if the voting was properly done or not. That's really for Elections Canada to comment on and not the Tory lawyer who may have given inaccurate information. If voting was improperly done then just schedule another voting day and problem solved. The votes won't differ much in any case because those people voting now have already decided. Many students will vote for the Liberals because of the promised break in tuition costs. The Tories will give them nothing and could even further increase tuition expense making post secondary education costly. Very happy to see youth taking an interest and getting involved!


Paul
said

Student here - not legal, not changing the way im voting. im sick of the mud slinging, just give me policies that i can vote for


poepol
said

I'm really getting sick and tired of Iggy's constant nagging of Harper abusing democracy. Why is no one in the media focusing on the fact that Iggy wasn't even elected by his own party?? Shouldn't that underline his own (and that of his party) contempt for democracy?


Nasty Celt
said

If this was an illegal vote where did they get the proper ballots and ballot boxes?


DD
said

Iggy should stop bullying Elections Canada official to count votes that were casted contrary to Elections Act. Didn't the parliament passed the Elections Act? If these votes are not casted according to the act, is Iggy now in comtempt of Parliament?


Northern Gal
said

The obvious thing is - is the vote legal as per Elections Canada rules. Having worked in elections many times, there are specific rules governed by rule books - if the rules are not followed then it is not legit. It doesn't matter which political party does or does not like the facts, but if the Chief Elections Officer says not legal - then he is the one that decides. One of the rules states that there should be no party documentation within the polling station. If that wasn't adhered to, then what other rules were broken! Blame Elections Canada - not any political party.


dl84ll86
said

I am a university student and I am strongly not associated with any party. The question of this polling station should be a political one. The question is, was it legal or not? If there was political advertising present (from any party), then it's not a polling stations, it's a political rally. If it followed all the regulations, then it's a polling station and it shouldn't matter if it's on a campus or anywhere else. I have a revolutionary idea! How about politicians focus on policy!?! They (all parties) focus on trivial issues like this and treat the Canadian public like we are a bunch of idiots. Just tell us what you want to do with the country and we will use our own brains and decide if we agree. In my opinion they spend most of their time making fools of themselves.


AlphaOmega
said

"The letter says an Elections Canada official confirmed that the poll wasn't sanctioned." It's the lawyer's letter. "An Elections Canada official confirmed..." does not mean "Elections Canada officially confirms..." We need that from Elections Canada.


Shaggy in MB
said

I don't usually comment on these stories but the party bashing is really getting old. Using the story to compare Canada under the Conservative government to LIbya or Iran is ridiculous. We have rules for elections and polling stations for a reason. If this polling station was not sanctioned by Elections Canada and properly scrutinized then the votes shouldn't count. Period. It doesn't matter who the students were voting for. And to suggest that they should be accepted, Ignatieff (and those commentators who agree with him) are actually supporting the undemocratic processes of the aforementioned dictatorships.If they are that passionate about their cause then the students shouldn't have a problem with casting a ballot at an official polling station.


Andy Kanata
said

I don't know what happened in the event. I only know what I read in papers and hear from the leaders. Half the time, I feel like I am reading the National Inquirer - full of half truths and speculation. I personally am more interested with each partys' platform and would like to hear more about how they would be implemented and what they would cost. As for this particular story, the Conservatives have alleged impropriety and sent a letter to Elections Canada about it. I would be interested to see what they have to say. I am more interested in the whole story so I can engage my intellect to make a judgement and not incomplete facts that only serve to inflame my emotions.


bryan ontario
said

Ha, ha ha Ignatieff & his Democracy Slams towards the Conservative's Has also inadvertly just slammed Elections Canada in his remarks too, Why? Because Elections Canada have just confirmed to David Akin that this was Not an Advanced Poll as per the Act.So it was an Illegal Voting Station, Too funny.Ignatieff spouting Democracy & UofG broke the Election Act Laws. Oooops take foot out of mouth & check facts before slamming Conservatives about Democracy.


KC
said

Hmmm, I think I will set up a voting station at my church this sunday and get 1000 votes for my political party of choice, and then ask Elections Canada to validate them. NO WAIT, I CAN"T because this is not Afghanistan, or Lybia - we actually have rules on the electoral process that are to be followed. We have returning officers in every riding that must oversee the process; we have a rule of law that prohibits vote rigging...IGNATIEFF - DO YOU SUPPORT ANARCHY OR DEMOCRACY????


Mike
said

I think it's great that more students are coming out and voting, they are after all the first ones to complain. However, they too must follow the rules. If election rules were broken then they should be thrown out and hopefully they will pay more attention next time. And would someone please tell Iggy to shut up about Harper not respecting the democratic process, how is enforcing election laws not respecting the democratic process? We have those laws in place for a reason and they have been there for a long time so don't go thinking it is Harper trying to control everything. Think about it, there may be votes for the conservative party mixed in with those others, nobody knows. While we are on the topic of Iggy, I think he owes Jack Layton an apology for his childish rude remarks during the English debate.


Joe C
said

The Guelph Mercury article shows an official Elections Canada ballot box that was there on Wednesday. If it is not sanctioned, as the Conservatives suggest, how did they get their hands on it? And further, why is the party trying to enforce the Elections Act? They have no legal right to do so. There are just so many holes in this that I simply cannot see how the Conservatives are justified in this.


Ra Hon
said

A lot of these comments are from people that simply do NOT know the voting rules for Federal Elections. That it seems INCLUDES Mr Ignatieff!!!!!! You vote at prescribed times and places set out by Elections Canada, Ignatieff surely spent way too much time out of OUR Country or he would know the rules.


cixcents
said

Fact: “It turned out that the real issue was not the denial of procedural fairness at a legally authorized poll, but the fact that the poll was not authorized at all,” the statement said. An Elections Canada officer said the agency did not approve the poll.Iggy's response: “This is part of a pattern, and Canadians need to know it’s worrying. I can’t believe it,” Ignatieff said.My impression:You decide. I've done enough bashing on Iggy already. Iggy deserves a break, by shutting his mouth from spewing anymore dumb answers.


d_abes in Saskatoon
said

If it violates the Elections Act, the votes should be annulled. It sounds like it certainly did. Mr Ignatieff should channel his own contempt for democracy towards himself. The Elections Act is a fundamental part of our democracy, yet he doesn't believe it should be followed.


Dee
said

The article says that according to Elections Canada, the POLLING STATION WASN'T SANCTIONED. If it's not OK with Elections Canada, the votes don't count!! So, Iggy thinks that we can have special UNSANCTIONED ballot stations popping up like lemonade stands?? He thinks that's OK??? Frightening!


John Sask
said

People can't just decide to set up their own polling stations. Elections Canada are the only ones that can and why were they voting here at this time anyway? There are designated dates and times for advance polling? This isn't really news, its another example of news media stirring up crap! The garbage that iggy spouts on this shows how ignorant he is about our justice system and the elections act.

Mark
said

So here's the thing ladies and gentlemen. Elections Canada has stipulated that this 'vote' is not sanctioned by the very body chosen and mandated by Parliament to oversee elections-pure and simple. To have these sort of ad hoc "votes" is not much different from similar non-sanctioned elections in places like oh...Libya??Me thinks that Mr. Ignatieff protests too much. It appears that Mr. Ignatieff himself is the one who doesn't understand democracy if he thinks that it's okay to hold these little "ad hoc" voting games. One wonders if the Guelph crowd may be a little Liberal friendly based on the (continued) righteous indignation of the Ignatieff camp.Let us not forget that Mr. Ingnatieff, the saviour of democracy was appointed as leader, not elected after the Liberal party unceremoneously dumped Stefan Dion. The "Liberals Rule" comments about how Mr. Harper doesn't "get" social media is hysterical. In actual fact, it's called playing by the laws of the land-non sanctioned voting schemes simply don't count-period.


Will
said

An illegal poll was held and those votes cannot be counted. The only option, which was correctly pointed out, is that they be destroyed and a lawfull poll under Elections Canada be conducted. Iggy and his crowd are simply WRONG. This is not anti-democracy, it ensures democracy.


tc
said

So if the vote was legit and sanctioned by Elections Canada and all the rules were followed than it should stand. If it was not than it shouldnt be. Iggy should shut up, quit trying to make a bigger political splash with this than it is (desperation) and let elections canada sort it out. They have the final say on whether it was right or wrong. Not the politicians thru the media.


island girl
said

perhaps a few more facts would be in the interest of all in this case.... elections Canada confirmed that this was a non-sanctioned polling area.... so why did this become a news item against the Conservatives.. anyone interested in the democratic process would also be insistence that if be run in a legal manner.. this was not END OF STORY.. get on with the real issues


AlphaOmega
said

"Citing several students who were there at the time, the Guelph Mercury reports that the communications director for the Guelph Conservative Party candidate turned up at the balloting site, claiming the process violated the Elections Canada Act. He reportedly tried to snatch the ballot box away, but left empty-handed. "How did he dare to do that? Was it illegal, and so can he be prosecuted?Looks like the Cons have constant fear of the youth.


Melissa
said

Harper will stop at nothing to win this election. If he knew that the students were all voting Conservative, he would'nt have said a word. Or, given the predictable Conservative spin regime, he would have tried to make the Liberals (who really do pose a threat because they support democracy), responsible.


Brian F
said

At what lengths will the conservatives go to get their coveted majority. This is ridiculous!


Rick @ Ottawa
said

This vote was in violation of the Elections Canada Act. Plain and simple - no story here.


Dale
said

If the poll wasn't sanctioned by Elections Canada then it is the Liberals that are stealing our democracy. Shame on them and shame on anyone who supports them.


Anti Pye
said

This is the most anti democratic action of the conservatives yet. We want to engage our youth and increase the voter turnout. Obviously the cons are afraid of youth and the power they have. It is about time our youth stand up and be counted. I for one am happy they did not see this coming or they would have had a youth strategy in place and not just a phoney new canadian strategy. Although they are not very successful at that either.


George Carter
said

Okay, the posts in here are bordering on ridiculous. As much as I applaud the Students for getting out and voting and participating in the democratic process, there are RULES. The are PROCEDURES. Just because they voted in their "own way" doesn't make it legal. The fact that polling stations are designed and run a certain way speaks volumes to the democratic process. It creates a stable, organized, and private process where registered voters can cast their ballot without worrying about people waving placards in their faces getting them to change their vote at the last minute, and prevents people from voting more than once. And before you all start thumping your chests sceaming, "conspiracy" and "anti-democratic" remember this, the rules by which OFFICIAL polling stations are run, organized, and supervised have been in place for many years. These policies just didn't appear over night. And that boys and girls is what separates our voting process from that of Libya...oh that's right...They never did vote there did they!?!?!?!?!


Albertaboy111
said

This is what I have been saying about Harper and his party for years. They are simply undemocratic, and will break laws and ethics to get what they want. Simply disgusting.


Sue from Hamilton
said

If the poll wasn't sanctioned, as an Elections Canada official allegedly stated, then it is an illegal poll-PERIOD. As such, the ballots cast should be disqualified. Why would the Conservatives have a lawyer involved, especially when there were 2 other polling stations that were NOT targeted, if everything was legit?Perhaps the media should find out if this is the case, instead of providing yet another "issue" for their buddies the Liberals to slam the Conservatives.


glenn
said

Keep fighting liberals and conserv.'s and the youth will get fed up and vote for adults like the NDP.


c in bc
said

Serious people? There are laws in this country regarding voting. If the voting box wasn't sanctioned then it doesn't count. I can't believe you are taking sides with Ignatieff who wants to skirt the law here. This isn't the first time. You want to talk about ethics, why does he keep suggesting things that are against the law? With that said, it was stupid of the Conservative to show up and try and snatch the box away. Thumbs down to ALL the parties here.


Mary Whelton
said

Who is really disrespecting the democratic process here? A "Mob Vote" !! ??? Who set up the polling station? Elections Canada? why were they not following Elections Canada rules of having the proper representation from each party involved? There are rules to follow folks. Long standing ones.


bill in Ottawa
said

I'm not a conservative fan and find this story to be disturbing - on the surface. But m@Ontario is right: is this legal? Does this count as an actual vote? or is this more of a show of solidarity? More info is required before anyone can stand up and cry foul with any credibility.


Students Must Vote
said

Students from coast to coast have tapped into the Liberal social network via Facebook and Twitter. If you want guaranteed financial assistance for post secondary education there is only one option, you must vote for theLiberal Party. The long term plan is money for life. Do it now, protect your own future.


Bob
said

How can this vote be legal as the advanced polls do not open until Easter weekend?


CMQ
said

So the Cons filing a complaint is going to change the way students voted in the end. Dumb move by Harper, really dumb move. In the end the only change is going to be students who may have voted for Harper. Hate to say it but actions like this only support what the oppostion are saying is happening in Ottawa. All I can say students is this, DO NOT let this deter you from voting!!!!!! get out there and speak. Contrary to the idea youth are not committed today like yersteryear, youth want something, someone to beleive in, once they find that they are deeply committed just like you or I of the older generation. Time to speak out!!!!!!


ML
said

There is a time and place to vote. Organizing these special ballots doesn't follow the current voting method for early voting. It is unsupervised and childish. Another example of Liberal coercion. My friends that are teachers slipped and said that the board basically forces them to vote Liberal. Then once they get that mentally they display their Liberal ideologies in class and convince our kids and future voters that this is what's best. There is corruption with the Liberal higher ups orchestrating plans to turn all our Ontario schools into Liberal breeding pits.


George in Fredericton
said

Another case of reporting half a story without checking the facts. A vote mob organised by the Liberal youth wing and according to students at University of Guelph, coerced into particpating by peer pressure and told what to vote at the special ballot. Yep they should all count. Fortunately some didn't participate even thought they were haranged for keeping away.


Tom in Alberta
said

To M@ontario, CTV is reporting what happened. Why is it when truth or a different opinion is heard Tory supporters cry foul?


Henry
said

Since when has the voting started?Advance polls in this part of the country do not start until next week?Sounds like illegal liberal voting.


Alexander
said

Voting day is May 2nd. These ballots are illegal, unless we want to join the banana republics.


gregoryd
said

more partisan foolishness by the liberals. They have nothing to offer Canadians so they use smoke and mirrors.


janfromnorthvan
said

I am confused I know there are opportunities for early voting. Was this Vote Mob doing that? Did elections canada set up the polling site? Were names correctly checked and stricken from the voters list. I thought we had to vote in our own riding and if not there was pretty strick scrutiny to prevent double votes. From the videos it looks different from the usual voting process so perhaps there were valid concerns about viotations. Lets have more complete reporting please. Why were the Conservatives concerned? I hardly think they would go just to be seen putting the kibosh on the youth vote. I am glad to see young people out voting but why can't they wait like everyone else. And anything with the word MOB in it gets me thinking.... and scratching my head. I hate biased reporting.


camwest
said

More information would be appreciated, were these students registered? Were they on the voters list? Are they Canadian? Why would they not vote like everyone else?


Jim Lad
said

I think some of you need to read up on what actually happened.Basically and for the third time in a row, students at that university have set up their own polling booth complete with political advertising but lacking scrutineers or permission from Elections Canada.It's vote rigging and highly illegal.


Jay in Stoon
said

m@ - they're voting? It's something that we do whenever we have an election. I knew Conservatives didn't really understand the electoral or parliamentary procedures in this country but I thought that you all would at least recognize voting....or is that slated to be cut too?


Sarah
said

This is so bad. Why on earth would Harper do this? This is the worst of U.S. style legal wrangling.


Fired Up
said

The best part of this is the students across this country are only going to get more fired up when they hear about their buddies in Guelph.


Liberals Rule
said

Poor Harper isn't going to know what hit him. The Liberal machine has tapped into social media. Young people will be voting en masse to get rid of the establishment, and elect someone well educated with fresh ideas. Prime Minister Ingatieff has a very nice ring to it.


rick
said

Less than 40 000 Canadians voted in favour of our current Prime Mininister, That's it, only 39000 and a few more voter actually cast their ballots in favor of him.Of course they don't want people to organize a larger turn out to the polling stations. Voter apathy is a must for conservative rule to take over, and then we'll see how much longer voting will be an option.


John, Halifax, NS
said

Wow, this is appalling. Canada under Harper is becoming the new Libya, Iran, NK. Sure, we don't get killed in the streets (yet) but even their democracy makes ours blush these days.Sure, the economy is important, but no where near as important as a trust worthy leader/party and I'm not seeing that from the CPC


Dav
said

Harper is an autocrat. Beware


m@ - Ontario
said

Mabe instead of trying to bash Harper CTV, you could explain what the heck these students are doing! Is it even legal? A little more reporting, a little less liberalism is all I ask.


Student of democracy
said

Stand up for democracy! The CONS have to go, and they know that they are in danger via the youth vote. Keep up the fight for freedom Mr. Ignatieff, your efforts are not in vain and you have my vote, as well as those of a lot of students.


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A Canadian Pacific Railway employee walks along the side of a locomotive in a marshalling yard in Calgary, Wednesday, May 16, 2012. (Jeff McIntosh / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

Talks between CP, union stall; Raitt prepared to step in

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Victoria Shachtay, 23, died in an explosion on Friday, Nov. 25, in an Innisfail townhouse.

Man charged in parcel blast that killed Alta. mother

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Nova  Scotia, body, Hillside Road, Marion Bridge

Police identify humans remains found in hockey bag

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It is about time - as a grandparent I have watched our kids (who were allowed to fail although I do remember some nagging on our part) learn, I have watched our children now micro-manage their children. A big part of it is the fact that there are predators out there and an extreme reluctance on the parents part to alllow freedom that might result in the children becoming victims.

Harvey

Parents must learn to stop meddling, author urges