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Committee finds Harper government in contempt
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Committee finds Harper government in contempt
CTV.ca News Staff
Date: Mon. Mar. 21 2011 10:10 PM ET
A Commons committee has found the minority Conservatives in contempt of Parliament, essentially charging the ruling party with breaking the rules of government.
On Monday, the Commons procedures and House affairs committee undertook a clause-by-clause debate of its report containing allegations the government kept information and spending estimates concerning tax cuts, prison expansions and fighter-jet procurement secret.
While the government argued the details in question were subject to cabinet confidentiality, opposition MPs countered that they needed to know everything the government did in order to make an informed decision when voting on legislation.
The opposition-dominated committee, which has already rejected several Tory-backed changes to the report, tabled the report Monday afternoon.
The committee met for three days last week, to probe allegations the government breached parliamentary privilege on two fronts: by failing to share cost estimates, and by International Cooperation Minister Bev Oda's alleged involvement in a handwritten "not" scrawled on an international aid agency's already-signed funding proposal.
During question period in the House of Commons Monday, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Canadians will find it hard to trust the Tories in the face of "such flagrant abuse of power."
Government House Leader John Baird countered that the Conservative government brought greater accountability to Parliament Hill.
"Let me be very clear, this government is the government who acted very expeditiously to bring in the Federal Accountability Act, to clean up the ethical mess that we inherited from the previous Liberal government," Baird said.
Monday's report included a two-page dissenting report written by the committee's Conservative members. In it, they dismiss the opposition's findings as "simply a piece of partisan gamesmanship."
The Tories say the opposition ignored supplementary documents the government provided last week on the costs of its legislation, and accused them of having "prejudged the outcome of the hearings before they had even begun."
While the report does not recommend sanctions, NDP committee member Yvon Godin called the contempt finding a "sanction on its own."
A separate draft report on whether Oda intentionally misled Parliament could be unveiled Tuesday, but a final report on the matter is not expected until Friday.
Reports embarrassing, but damage is elsewhere
In Ottawa, CTV's Richard Madan explained that while the content of the reports may prove embarrassing to the government, the real political damage may come from what the Opposition does with them.
The findings of either report could be used to bolster a make-or-break vote in the House, he said.
While the contempt finding cannot trigger a confidence vote, the Liberals could use what it calls evidence of the government's abuses of power to justify introducing a non-confidence motion on Friday.
"The information in this report can be attached to a vote on Friday, which could of course trigger an election and send us all to the polls," Madan reported.
Even if the opposition loses its nerve and backs off the threat of a non-confidence motion, Parliament will continue to teeter on the brink of a snap election this week.
That's because Finance Minister Jim Flaherty is set to table the government's latest federal budget on Tuesday. It will be debated on Wednesday and then put to a vote as early as Thursday.
When pressed to reveal his plans to topple the government or not in the coming days, Ignatieff refused to be pinned down.
"I honestly don't know what's going to happen this week but I'm ready for anything. We could go (to the polls) this week or next year," Ignatieff told CTV's Question Period on Sunday.
Watching developments on Parliament Hill, CTV's Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife said although the signs are pointing to an inevitable election call, "Anything can happen in politics."
For example, Fife told CTV News Channel on Monday, the government could have a few surprises in store for its budget announcement.
"If the government decides to put in some goodies that might entice the NDP or the Bloc Quebecois to support them, if they are able to do that, they might survive," Fife said, adding in that case, "there would probably not be an election until next year."
Budget issues to determine what happens?
Late word Monday revealed a few carrots in Tuesday's budget for the NDP, including $400 million to revive the home energy retrofit program and financial incentives for health care workers who move to rural communities. NDP Leader Jack Layton had made these and other items key demands in exchange for supporting the budget.
Layton said earlier Monday although a finding of contempt is "very serious," his party's "entire focus" is on Tuesday's budget."
"We'll see if we get there," Layton said about a vote on contempt. "The next item before us is the budget and that may determine everything else."
The Bloc could also be swayed, for instance, if a reported $2-billion compensation package for Quebec's signing onto a harmonized sales tax scheme with Ottawa in 1992 makes an appearance. With their 47 seats in the House of Commons, pulling in the support of the Bloc could have a significant impact on the Conservatives' political prospects.
Because the ruling Conservatives hold 143 of the 308 seats in the House of Commons, they need the support of at least one opposition party to survive any votes of confidence in the House.
Liberals currently hold 77 seats, the NDP 36, with five seats either held by independents or vacant.
If the government falls this week, it will avoid being the first to be formally cited with contempt. Canadians would then head to the polls, likely on May 2.
With files from The Canadian Press
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More so then any of the various partisan scandals, Harper's bid to expand prisons ought to strike us all as particularly disgusting, but have any of the other parties done anything to oppose it? Not meaningfully.
The conclusion should be obvious - politicians all have one interest: the maintenance of prison society and the systems that keep us under control, and them (and their big business friends) in power.
Only one party is credible, and it is not a "political" party or formal organization: The party of insurrection. Canada could stand to follow the example of the ongoing global revolt.
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Total Nonsense!
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Watch the budget vote - Quebec will receive, Bloc Quebecois will vote yes, the budget will be approved as soon as tomorrow.
The opposition are very much an ineffective minority, but they cannot be otherwise...unfortunately.
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Further, they are the ones not asking for national daycare programs or free tuition and every other handout. In fact, real conservatives are much more concerned about fiscal responsibility (not a fan of stimulus spending) for the sake of long term vision for our country. Let me point out that it was Ignatief who framed the question 'are YOU better off now than YOU were five years ago?'.
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Then again he does make Dion look like a genius...
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If they were not doign well in the polls and they over allf eeling was people lost trust in them you could say yes.However they are way up in the polls and most polls show they have the peoples trust so with that a election would more then likely mean a majority for harper.
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An election will be called sometime this year, most likely in the next 4 months.
The Conservatives could win a majority, but it will be close. They will walk away with another minority government at the very least. Canadians aren't that disappointed in the Conservative government's performance. Many long-time liberal supporters will make the switch to the conservatives, after regretting doing so during the last election.
The NDP will gain some followers, as some long-time Liberal supporters give up on their party, and don't like the only alternative that stands a chance of winning something. Second best is still good enough for them, even if the NDP come in third.
The Liberals will have the most to loose. They can't be trusted. They are proven liars. They have already lost a lot of support, and the decline is increasing. Their leader is completely lackluster.
Sure, Harper might look, smell, sound, and feel like an American, and he may have made some really stupid mistakes, such as not being more attentive to world issues, respectful of other countries, reacting slowly so as to make Canada appear to not really care, etc. At least his government didn't waste billions of dollars they couldn't account for (remember: 1 billion dollars wasted by the HRDC under Liberal rule - just one of many huge losses).
As much as I hate the conservatives, the alternatives are far worse. I peg the Liberals as the worst for Canada. I should know, they have affected me year after year. Harper's government is done more for me, and fewer scandals have been uncovered.
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Even if the current government is in contempt, its still a better government then what the opposition offer.
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The bottom line is what do the liberals have to gain from an election nothing if anything it would cost them to lose seats.
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Here the speaker (for only second time in history of canada) is opposition party (and so is his family active in liberal politics), and the committee is opposition, how is this much different?
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I totally agree. It was the Mulroney government which allowed the new, exclusively Quebec, provincial separatist Bloc Quebecois party to first run in the 1993 federal election. This was a HUGE change from our 1867 Confederation agreement but, once again, politicians did not bother to consult electorate by referendum or other voting process. The change to our voting structure should be declared illegitimate because electorate authorization was not obtained.
I agree the distorted politics we now see is as a result of all political parties overseeing provinces and territories (which, for Quebec, is about 25% of federal resources if allocated on population) at the same time that a provincial separatist party represents Quebec in federal politics. No other province is allowed to stay behind at the federal decision-making table after provinces and territories leave. Bloc Quebecois is a minority separatist party who should not be there, either.
It is time voters recognized that people sometimes just need to find an issue to focus upon. If the issue was not separatism, many would fickle off to something else. Separatists are people who seek confrontation to create something different instead of co-operating and improving that which was established 150 years ago, but I no longer believe the issue is Quebec separation.
The real problem is that Canadians are tolerant and give hostile, critical, unreasonable people credibility (and power) they should not have.
I believe any provincial party, including Bloc Quebecois, should not run in a federal election because they do not represent all of Canada.
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Ya know what; why not make the next election like an MMA event? Winner take all. We're recoup the funds to pay for the advertising, it would be hilarious to watch and I'm sure we'd arrive at the same outcome; none of these fiddle-heads know how to run a country anyway!
My vote will be Harper majority (just so we can finally see what he can do and make a reasonable judgment at the next election) and I hope for a Green opposition party. Bye Bye Liberals - take a hike.
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I encourage the electorate to research our minority Conservatives and separatist Bloc Quebecois majority govt for information about RCMP investigation, corruption, and 2 first ever Contempt of Parliament hearings. ChronicleHerald.ca tells us about top aide to Harper Bruce Carson and his 22-year-old escort. The company he keeps counts, too...look at the whole picture…see the red flags:
- 65 stealth fighter jets (the most expensive jets in the world because they have first strike capability)
- $5 Billion combat weapons “The Harper Govt” purchased for Afghan war in 2006 after canceling the plan to withdraw the 40 there and instead send over thousands of combat troops
- Quebec Billions expected in budget
- newly built cages for dissenters
- separatist Bloc Quebecois (a minority, exclusively Quebec party with self-proclaimed mandate of devotion to Quebec and secession from Canada, who have been allowed to act as a federal party since the 1993 election, but were not part of 1867 Confederation political arrangements) and
- separatist Parti Quebecois (at a Convention called for April, Quebec minority provincial party leader intends to affirm secession from Canada by adopting a new charter (ie - using legislation, without referendum). See montrealgazette.ca Pauline Marois
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By framing the issue in the negative (threat), you force the reader to view the opposition as doing something negative, when it is the right and duty of the opposition to force an election if the government has not conducted itself properly.
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Getting caught at cheatting, and lying to parliament shows that his ethical high-horse is no more than a high-chair.
Canadians can(NOT)endorse this kind of corruption of (OUR) government and tax dollars.
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