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Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page appears on CTV's Power Play, Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011. Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page appears on CTV's Power Play, Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011.

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Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page says fiscal productions have not changed much, and there is still a structural deficit of $40 billion right now. He also says there are still significant issues around crime legislation.

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Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page appears on CTV's Power Play, Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011. Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page appears on CTV's Power Play, Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011.

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Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page appears on CTV's Power Play, Tuesday, Feb. 15, 2011.

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Date: Tue. Feb. 15 2011 9:38 PM ET

Parliament is being asked to vote on a major crime bill without a clear idea of how much it could cost taxpayers, Canada's budget watchdog said Tuesday.

The Conservative government's secrecy is hampering parliamentarians' ability to evaluate new legislation, Kevin Page told a House of Commons committee.

He said MPs are losing their ability to perform their constitutionally mandated jobs because of the lack of information available about the cost of new bills.

"There is a genuine concern that Parliament is losing control of its fiduciary responsibilities of approving financial authorities of public monies as afforded in the Constitution," he said.

Page said that MPs are being asked to approve the government's new crime bill "without financial information or knowledge of monies set aside."

The government has refused a request from the Commons finance committee to release detailed costs estimates for its crime bills.

"We are suffering from some lack of transparency with respect to Parliament," Page told CTV's Power Play Tuesday. "The trend on transparency has been negative. We need more transparency, not less and this is something that needs to be debated and corrected." Page has previously estimated that just one of the Tories' crime bills could hike prison costs by $5 billion over five years.

But the Tories say all their crime bills will only add $2 billion in prison costs over five years.

"We've seen almost nothing on crime bills . . . we need to do much better," Page said.

On Tuesday, Page seemed to offer tacit support to the Liberals motion to have the government found to be in contempt of parliament for refusing to release their data, saying the information has been released in the past.

"In my 25 years of public service ... this type of information is regularly exchanged amongst officials. In fact, our projections, our assumptions does include information on wages and salaries and corporate profits," he said.

The Conservative members of the finance committee accused Page of leaking information to the media and of being biased against the government.

"There's a fair amount of politics in your statement today," Tory MP Mike Wallace said.

"You are willing to comment on a motion from this committee on economic information from departments we've declared cabinet confidentiality is an issue, but you don't comment on private members' bills ... not funded."

But Wallace seemed to agree with Page about the lack of information.

"I do agree with you that we are losing a little bit of control here, but is it your mandate to comment, or is it something we need to do?"

Liberal finance critic Scott Briso attacked the government over the secrecy, saying previous governments had no issues releasing it.

"The government's excuses are unbelievable," he said.

On Ottawa's budget, Page believes the government will post a deficit of under $40 billion this year, about $5 billion less than Finance Minister Jim Flaherty's latest projection.

But Page and the government disagree about whether Ottawa can balance its budget in the next five years.

"We're still talking about a structural deficit that we need to deal with," he said.

With files from The Canadian Press

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Andrew from Montreal
said

The government must be right. Mr. Page is showing a terrible bias in this matter. Whoever the incompetent that named this guy to his post should be fired immediately. Oopps, I guess that would be Mr. Harper. Well as Truman used to say; "The buck stops here!" Time to pack your bags PM - your judgement in naming this guy has proven your own incompetence.


Vanc Guy
said

We are fed up with complainers in BC (like 'I'm Fedup'). PM Harper has done an outstanding job - surely he has or why would the opposition keep him in charge? Argue that one comrades.Lately it seems the opposition believes it's role is to contradict anything coming from the government. If the government says right they say left. Well how does that serve us? Where is the meaningful debate? Do we need to pay people to just say the opposite of whatever the government says? And what's with tearing down Canada all the time? If an MP can't support the country - our government - after decisions have been made then we don't need them either. At some point, someone has to make a decision and we have to live with it. What's that old great phrase?Lead, follow or get out of the way!Keep up the excellent work PM!! Real Canadians are behind you!!


Old Ted
said

You want to stop crime, bring back the flogging starting at 10 years of age. Ten year olds know right from wrong. No jail time. Negligible expense. Back home same day to lick their wounds. Lesson learned, never to be forgotten. They aren't coming back for seconds unless they are insane. Our present system grooms criminals for a life of criminal activity in small steps. This certainly isn't doing these young people any favours. Just think about it.


Steve in Vancouver
said

Page is an unelected critic of the government and is paid by the tax payer. Something wrong with this picture. He should not be in the public sphere at all, but should be in the background to assist the government. Page is obviously enjoying his status as a media pet. This is a growing problem and Canadians need to stand up against it. We have elected officials and if we dont like them we can unelect them. But these guys are a problem.


B. Vaughan
said

The real story is that Kevin Page now states that the Deficit will be lower than expected, contrary to his claims last year. Why is this piece of good news not a story? Once again Mr.Page is shown to be wrong with his predictions yet his credibility is not being challenged to the same extent as the Govt's is.


Fed up in BC
said

Harper promises transparency in government and this is the best he can come up with. They are definitely in election mode. I saw the Harper propaganda ad the other night, bragging how well we have done with Steven Harper as our PM.Self serving at best! All Harper has done is hide and conceal hidden agendas from the start. BC's HST is one example. Spends BILLIONS on photo ops and Canada Action signs yet we still have nothing to show for it.Libs need to get a stronger leader and wipe these "Tories" out once and for all.


Michael (Ottawa)
said

The government has cut in some areas and increased in other areas where needed like the military which was decimated under the former government who didn't care about our military.


ToTom
said

Ahhh ... I knew it wouldn't be long before the conservative apologists started attacking Mr. Page's character and calling him a "liberal sympathizer." Here's a nifty fact for you dim-witted partisans: Kevin Page's was HIRED by the Harper government to oversee the government's fiscal affairs and provide accountability.Now that Mr. Page is shining a light into the dark and slimy corners (and there are oh so many with this government) we see the attempts at character assassination that are so utterly predictable coming from a cornered conservative.Grow a spine partisans. Look at the shameful conduct of your government.


MarcFromCalgary
said

funny... people said it's not Page's mandate to comment on parliament.It's akin to asking a mechanic to fix a car with no tools, and when the mechanic says "I need tools to fix the car" the government says "just fix the car, don't comment on your lack of tools".


Spence in Ontario
said

The conservatives are trying to prevent Kevin Page (whom they appointed) from doing his job.... again. This is just going to be a reoccurring theme until Page's term expires and/or the cons are voted out of office. It is ridiculous that the conservatives do not provide estimates on their crime bills and try to claim confidentiality on the matter. The conservative party is continually breaking one of their biggest campaign promises since the reform party days; government transparency.


Brian
said

Losing control? Try lost control....and not just this Government, but all of them for the last 30 years....


Doug # BC
said

Mr Page is doing his job. The job given to him by Mr Harper. Do the conservative supporters now feel that Mr Harper made another bad choice or do they just not like to have anything they do questioned?


chrisinOntariariariari-Oh!
said

I wonder if Page is hoping the Conservatives don't win a majority in the next election because I'm sure they will fire his ass down the road.The only reason he is still around is because he is useful to the opposition and if the Conservatives were to fire him now they would probably lose some support.I wonder if he has bothered to calculate the costs to society by not getting tougher on crime?.He's just another Liberal shill as his numbers haven't always added up.


ouifyg
said

Hogwash, this government isn't secretive. They are upfront and honest to us at every turn. The questions they won't answer are ones Canadians don't care about anyways. Who cares about how much these new crime bills would cost? Not us Canadians, only those slanderous, trouble-making opposition parties.


viral venus
said

Just a reminder to all the bloated money grubing politcos and their blinders-on supporters that this is taxpayer money they are claiming cabinet privilege on and hiding their intentions for. If the investment counsellor who I trust with my other personal funds EVER tried to tell me it was none of my business what he was doing with my money and that I would have to make decisions without that information I would fire him instantly and possibly have him investigated for incompetence or mafeasance. It's about time more taxpayers realized that their government owes them and their representatives this information as a matter of course and there are very few instances where any cabinet secrecy is warranted regarding government spending.


Prof. Pye Chartt
said

After I read Page's latest anti-Conservative blah-blah, as well as the usual partisan blah-blah from the rudderless Opposition, I was pleased to stumble upon the "unimportant" part about our deficit being about $5B less this fiscal year than conservatively forecast by Minister Flaherty.


Matt
said

Ignatieff's whole election platform is based on this. Has he actually costed out ANY of his promises? Sure he's made claims like Homecare will only cost $1 Billion, but the Liberals claimed the long gun registry would only cost $2 Million, and we all know how that worked out.


Norm, Ottawa
said

Lane said "Mr. Page might be a fine accountant, but he has no expertise, and no mandate to comment on, parliament's fulfillment of its constitutional role." His mandate comes from the Acountability Act - and IT IS to oversee parliamentary budget matters to avoid another sponsorship-type problem. You've got the web Lane, look this stuff up before making yourself look silly.


Mark Vancouver
said

The more that you keep Canadians in the dark the easier it is to control the masses. Harper and his cronies must go!!


5th Generation Canadian
said

It appears that some need to be reminded that Mr. Page was appointed to this post by Mr. Harper. It now appears he is not as easily manipulated or discredited as Mr. Harper had expected. Surprise!


mike
said

I would like to know what expertice does Mr. Page have to decide what the PM is doing is right or wrong. Just maybe it is because of people like MR. Page that the PM holds his cards tight to his chest. I feel Mr. Page is showing his liberal colours and it is time for him to step down and give the job to someone is who will do the job without choosing side which Page has shown he can not do.


Millicent Wendy
said

They could get control of things by stopping the money drain to Quebec to the tune of "60%" in federal transfer payments off the backs of hard working Canadians for ingrate Quebecois who mock us with contempt and disdain.


PSPROUD
said

@JIM OTTAWA, sorry to burst your bubble JIM.....but a good chunk is taken off my wages for the so called gold-plated pension you're refering to.....and I always put in my time and hardly put in sick days.....let's start with the top brass and I guarantee you'll see some savings.


Allan K, Vancouver, BC
said

People... do any of you recall why the Conservatives were elected to power about five or six years ago? They campaigned strongly on a promise of better government accountability. Six years later... nothing has improved in that area; in fact secrecy has only grown. Does anybody recall the article that reported on how all news from the cabinet has to go through the Prime Minister now? How all public appearances need prior approval? etc. etc. Some readers claim that he has no power to seek information on the MPs behalf, that he has no respect or knowledge of the political system, and that information needs to be protected in a "volatile political scene". Seriously... is the government building a nuclear bomb or something that has to be hidden from the average citizen? And what do you readers imply when you say "lack of knowledge"? That citizens need a politcal science degree to be able to crack open the "mystery" of government? The media and the citizens that this government rules over should have a right to know how government affects them, regardless of the impacts it may have on us and on any political party. Information protection to me therefore seems like a really lame excuse to cover up a possibly catastrophic failure. It should also be noted that in Canada public servants are supposed to have no influence from the government... therefore he has a legal right to voice his opinion without being fired, unlike the opposite that may occur in the US.


CYL
said

Government is made up of politians who are in it for their own pockets. Check their salaries and expense accounts/increases out of the tax payers pockets. It is easier to spend tax payers money because it's not theirs and It is not the workers who get it !!!


Havelock Heavy
said

Page's comments have serious implications. THey should be investigated by an independent authority - perhaps the Speaker of the House - and followed up with appropriate response. This secrecy and obfuscation cannot continue, it's a smack in the face to democracy and openness in government


Prisons and Jets, Not Seniors and Vets
said

I guess it doesn't matter how recklessly the government spends OUR money. Always more where that came from, right?!? Most Canadians have to cut back and do without during times of decreased income and increased debt. Not Stephen Harper!I'm waiting for the "Conservative" supporters to wake up and realize that eventually it will be the CANADIAN TAXPAYERS who have to clean up the mess that Stephen Harper made. Go ahead and vote for him now, you'll be paying later... so will your children and grandchildren!!!


Spencer
said

The opposition and Mr. Page are being disingenuous. Every penny spent by the government on every single program is always tabled in parliament as part of the normal budgetary cycle. The opposition has plenty of opportunity to study, debate and vote against the government's spending.


Prof. Sine Curve
said

This is a clear sign of how desperate the Liberals are getting. Try as they might, they can't find hardly anything of substance that Harper is doing badly. He makes sure things are done properly, like an accountant would, and there are few if any loose ends for the Libs to pick at (like the Liberal adscam, etc).___So now Iggy and his bunch have to try to (or get their insiders to) manufacture or exaggerate things and try to get us to believe them. ___ For example - 'assumptions on wages and salaries and corporate profits' - So What? Canadians want facts (not assumptions) anyway. ___ And the cost of better law and order - Has this guy considered the savings from less crime? (And perhaps lower insurance premiums for all of us).


Hypocrit
said

The Conservatives have a strangle hold on Canada by controlling information, and then touting the ideology of 'free markets'. The weak opposition doesn't help.For example, we're making jet engines to sell to Saudi Arabia, loaning Pratt & Whitney 300 million to make the engines, even when our 5 big banks made 44% more last year- after years of back-to-back profits. This is not a free market, particularly when Sunni/Al Qaeda fund warfare against our troops. Another example, the Conservatives appointed the CRTC so they knew fine well that this showdown was coming with the hawks they appointed, so to then also appear to be in the interests of Canadians close to an anticipated election is political manipulation once again- just as bad as the wasted gun registry nonsense after the G8/G20. Harper planned the political redemption from G8/G20 a long time ago- and yes, he really is that cynical.


Jim in Ottawa
said

I agree with Mr. Page in one obvious respect: I have seen no effort by the current government to reduce the size of our massively bloated Public Service. PS workers earn far more than their average private sector counterpart, plus they have gold-plated pensions financed by private sector workers who do not have any pensions to speak of themselves. It is also common knowledge that PS workers work far less hours, take a disproportionate number of sick days, and have far less burdensome job responsibilities than those of us in the private sector. In the spirit of fairness and as an overburdened taxpayer, I call on the federal government to initiate massive headcount reductions in the March federal budget. This is the most important first step to getting money issues withing Parliament back under control.


Diane
said

There is a difference between what some would call secrecy and holding the cards close because the political sharks are always looking to take a nip and create a thrashing about over issues which have little substance of import. As a Canadian I am more upset with the lack of respect shown all ways in our Parliament.


CWS Saskatoon
said

Page certainly seems to be a strong supporter of the Liberals and is quite happy to attack the Government.


Danny Dinosaur
said

Shame on him for reporting things that Canadians should know. When are voters going to take notice of what this government is doing? The lack of accountability of this government is astounding. Almost as astounding as their failure to deal with facts.


Adair
said

Why do the media focus on Page's comments about the role of MPs (something he knows nothing about)? There is a much more important story here: Last year Page was saying the government's deficit reduction projections were too optimistic, but now he is projecting that the deficit for this year will be $5 billion LOWER that the Finance Minister says. Why isn't that the main story here?


M
said

How long does Mr. page have before the PMO fires him too?


Carl
said

MPs have multiple opportunities to vote on every single government expenditure. If they don't like the cost of any particular measure, all they have to do is vote against the appropriation bill that gives approval for the government to incur that particular expense. Of course, an election would ensue because appropriation bills are matters of confidence. Then the opposition parties would have an opportunity to explain to voters why they think putting criminals in prison is not worth the money.


Lane
said

Mr. Page might be a fine accountant, but he has no expertise, and no mandate to comment on, parliament's fulfillment of its constitutional role. He should stick to what he knows.


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