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Ottawa wants to quadruple cost of seeking pardon

Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks to reporters from Ottawa, Wednesday, Feb. 2, 2011.
Public Safety Minister Vic Toews speaks to reporters from Ottawa, Wednesday, Feb. 2, 2011.

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Date: Wednesday Feb. 2, 2011 9:11 PM ET

OTTAWA — The federal government wants to quadruple the cost of seeking a criminal pardon to $631, sparking outrage from critics who say it will only make it harder for ex-convicts to turn their lives around.

The proposal comes less than two months after the government bumped the price of applying to $150 from $50.

The Conservatives argue taxpayers should not have to subsidize the pardon process.

"People aren't entitled to pardons, that's something that society decides to provide in appropriate circumstances," Public Safety Minister Vic Toews said Wednesday.

"We believe that where an individual has been convicted of a criminal offence, as a result of his own or her own deliberate act, society shouldn't have to pay for the removal of that criminal conviction."

The Parole Board of Canada warned recently it would need more staff, additional funding, better training and access to more information resources ranging from Facebook to Interpol to enforce stricter rules passed by Parliament.

A pardon doesn't erase a person's criminal record, but can make it easier for someone who has served a sentence to get a job and travel abroad. Advocates say a pardon is an important step toward helping people who have broken the law make their way back to society.

Opposition critics denounced the proposed fee hike as a backward move.

The increase will be a "disaster if implemented," said Mark Holland, the Liberal public safety critic.

"The pardon is an opportunity for people to clear their name so that they can get a good job, so that they can go out and pay taxes and be a contributing member to society."

It's important to keep a pardon affordable, said New Democrat public safety critic Don Davies, calling the planned fee boost "outrageous."

"We shouldn't be putting up barriers."

John Hutton of the John Howard Society of Manitoba, a group that helps prisoners get back on their feet, labelled the plan "mean-spirited."

"It will make it much more difficult for people to get a pardon," said Hutton. "And it'll be the people that we're working with -- people that are low-income, that are just at the bottom end of the employment ladder.

"And frankly that's not a good thing. We want to see people moving on, and moving beyond their criminal past."

Ainsley Muller of Express Pardons, a Vancouver company that helps people complete their pardon applications, said the most common reason given for seeking one is to help get a job.

But many people simply don't have the money, he said. "When we went from $50 to $150 it was earth-shattering for hundreds of our clients."

An increase to $631 would put a pardon "completely out of reach," Muller said.

A law rushed onto the books last June requires the board to assess the behaviour of applicants from the time of their conviction to ensure granting a pardon would not "bring the administration of justice into disrepute."

It means the vetting of pardon applications -- once largely a matter of simply checking paperwork -- has become a much more labour-intensive process.

The changes came in reaction to revelations by The Canadian Press that former coach and convicted sex offender Graham James had been quietly pardoned for sex convictions involving three young hockey players dating from 1971.

Last October, James was charged with nine new sex counts involving three additional teenagers under his influence from the late 1970s into the early '90s.

In the 1990s, the $50 user fee was introduced to partially recover the cost of processing a pardon application.

The latest planned increase, which will be subject to public consultations under the User Fees Act, represents a move to full cost recovery.

In announcing the move, Toews acknowledged it means some people will be better able to afford a pardon than others. He said the government will listen to what Canadians have to say.

"What we are doing is conducting a review at this time," he said.

"I certainly believe in the concept of pardons, they're an absolutely essential part of the rehabilitation of individuals."

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TOMO
said

I think $600 is excessive, and would be unaffordable for anyone who has spent time in prison. The whole point of getting pardoned, is to start fresh and finally have a few doors opened. That's impossible to do, when job opportunities (and the chance to have a good-paying job) are severely limited as a result of a crimminal conviction. A fee this high is just another form of "gouging" people, who already have the cards stacked against them. If you are lucky enough to become employed after prison, it's likely to be at minimum-wage (since a background police-check by most potential employers will show your arrests and convictions). People on minimum-wage are lucky if they can pay for the nessecities of life (ie. lodging and food). A pardon can help improve the job-opportunities, which can lead to a better life for themselves and their families. A $600 fee is beyond reach of working, low-income people; and even more-so for those already on social-assistance. When will people who have paid for their crimes, finally be able to move-on, and have to stop PAYING?! All anyone wants, is to have a second chance. Yet, fees like this prevent someone from achieving another chance at a new life. All it does, is continue to make them feel like a loser; based on a bad decision they might have made years-ago. A more forgiving society would allow a second chance, without continuous roadblocks and "strings-attatched". Keep the fee at $150, and let us allow people who made a poor decision in the past, move forward.


David, Mississauga
said

By making it so much more expensive to apply, effectively what the Conservatives are saying is that even though someone has paid their debt to society, they want to make sure that the albatross of their conviction remains around their necks.


Doug ^^^ BC
said

I disagree with the posters who say it does not cost $631 to process a pardon.While I concede that I don't have the figures,the cost of running the civil service makes everything they touch very expensive.And you can bet your bottom dollar that there are at least several in the process. Frankly,$631 dolars does not buy very many hours of well paid labour.And if there is a cost, it should be borne by the criminal.That is the very least we should expect from someone who claims to be rehabilitated enough to earn a pardon.


Nick in Gatineau
said

Just another Conservative Government Minister who doesn't know how Government and Law actually work. Get rid of these morons.


Leprecaun
said

I don't think anyone who has been convicted for a crime like molesting children, helping your psycho husband kidnap and kill school girls including your own sister, shoud get a pardon. I don't care how hard it is for them to get a job and leave the country. They should be getting a one-way pass to prison for good. How could the Pardon committee give the likes of Graham James, a repeat sex offender a pardon? And when they were looking for him where was he found? In Mexico, teaching kids......


Nick in Gatineau
said

Toews makes me laugh. I got charged with a crime I did not commit when I was 15. That's 30 years ago. I was found guilty and then aquitted at sentencing when the guilty party appeared in court - an RCMP officer had committed the crime BTW.Anyone who does a background check on me sees that charge and yet, it keeps identifying it as 'Unknown cause.' Corrections Canada refused a pardon for that offense because they said there was nothing to pardon.Either way, I will never get hired by government because of it. FIX THAT toews.


E.
said

I can't believe all the belly aching in these posts about the "poor" convicts. If you can't afford the fee then no pardon for you. Too bad so sad, I have zero sympathy for criminals especially since the justice system in this country is so tilted towards treating the offenders "fairly" at the expense of the victims rights.


MARG MM
said

If some of you had read the whole article, it says that the Government is conducting a review at this time and will listen to what Canadians have to say. Personally, I don't think that the taxpayer should be on the hook. If the amount was $50 in the 1990's, it stands to reason that it would be much higher 20 years later. It seems that the Liberals prefer no one gets convicted or goes to jail, therefore no need for pardons!!!


Northern Jeff
said

It's not always a violent crime that someone wants a pardon from people. Sometimes it's something dumb from their youth. I was convicted of possesion for one joint. I was 19 and I accept full blame. I'm now 43 and a father of two and I'd like to think that I am a responsible adult. I have not touched drugs since my very early 20's. I AM NOT SOME VIOLENT CRIMINAL!!$600 is a hell of a lot of money considering the person seeking the pardon does all the work. It's just a Government $$ grab.


Scott @ IPC
said

This is starting to get out of hand with our government. It sure does not cost $631 in costs for 1 application as the applicant does all the hard research work and searches leaving the parole board merely looking over applications and making sure it is all correctly filled out. Then they look at the date and grant the pardon. Not all people should be denied pardons as there are many people that do truly regret their convictions and paid their debt to society and want to progress in life in a positive way. I for one had a criminal record and regretted for a very very long time. then 3 yers ago I was granted my pardon. I have been watching everything and see how good people are being mistreated and I decided to open my own agency to help others get their applications in order properly so they too can improve their lives.The Harper government is trying to destroy all good people. Just think there are a lot of skilled workers with a criminal record and if the fee goes up then they may not be able to afford it leaving Canada SHORT on skilled workers. So I say leave the fee where it is at and let people move forward with their lives. the fee never changed for over 15 years and now all of a sudden because of 1 idiot re-offending is making others that are serious of not able to get a pardon now.Let the James idiot have his medicine and let other people progress.

RGBrook
said

First off, let's not view this as a "tough on crime" move. At the point of a pardon, the crime will have already been committed, and the offender will have already paid their court assigned debt to society. The status of the victims will vary of course depending upon the crime committed, and to whom. I personally do not believe that raising the cost of a pardon will act as a deterrent to anyone committing a crime. If we must offer pardons, they should be costly indeed, ensuring that the taxpayers no longer foot any bills for the offenders. The issue of pardons is most complex, and deserves further investigation beyond this small announcement, but it is a start.


Joan
said

The "cost" of seeking a pardon has always been higher than the amount "charged " for seeking a pardon. The taxpayer has paid the lion's share. This new proposal would have the applicant paying their own way.


al
said

It is no surprise that on t.v. , Mark Holland , Liberal m.p., would come to bat for criminals paying for their own pardons. Do you ever notice that the Liberal party never has anything to say about helping victims of crime, only helping criminals? It is a no-brainer that the taxpayer should not be on the hook for somebody elses felonies. It is part of the pay-back to society. Mark Holland and the Liberals --champion of criminals!


maxlife
said

This is an interesting discussion. I am a Probation Officer and I am faced with this question daily from first time, repeat, and high risk offenders. I don’t think raising the cost is that big of a deal. I had an individual who broke both his wife’s arms, broke her jaw, and left her for dead. Did I mention she was in a coma for a month? Now this guy went to court plead not guilty and it went through the justice system for almost a year prior to him going to jail and being given 2 years probation is following his incarceration. If you take in effect the damage he caused to this women life, the amount we as tax payer spent to send him to trial, the amount we spent to jail him, and the amount I am paid to supervise him for the next two years. $650 is relatively cheap for him to seek a pardon considering he ruined this women’s life, nearly killed her, not to mentions the amount we as tax payers paid to give him a fair trial. I think you bleeding heart liberals should take a long look at your comments and should remember not every offender got a criminal record for meaningless laws. If it was your daughter, aunt, niece, etc..you may think different.


Steve
said

I was convicted for "Defending myself and protecting my youngest daughter from assault" (as documented by the statement from the bench) by my spouse. I was neither the instigator nor the aggressor and the court saw that clearly but insisted that because my partner suffered an apparent injury (not recorded by the police when they made the arrest etc). The simple fact that my partner was charged, arrested and subsequently convicted for violent crimes, I still had to be convicted of causing a supposed injury... Never mind that I have severe PTSD and stuck on Disability for several years as a result. I would love to have life returned to "normal" since then, now if I want to get back on my feet and clear this stuff it will cost me money which is not possible.Is there any real justice left ? Is what our Government doing just for the people ? Now for hard crimes etc I agree it should not be an easy thing to get a pardon for but in cases like mine and surprisingly many "light cases" ... something smells a bit "skunky" if you ask me. Now, my daughters & I are stuck cause I have a criminal record for defending myself and protecting my then 2 yr old.


Scarletletter
said

Just another poor public policy to score points with their radical right wing flank.If $s were really the issue reviewing pardons on minor offenses like marijuana or impaired driving could be done away with completely by giving pardons once the probation is over.And anyone who believes after serving time in jail and then 6 years probation is not sufficient for these minor offenses need to take up residence in one of the Middle East havens because your ideology fits there not in a liberal democracy.Maybe the crime nuts should just put a scarlet letter on the forehead of anyone who has made a mistake.Would that sooth your hating,spiteful spirit?

Andrew
said

Thank god the Conservatives are using their heads on this. I cant believe the bleeding hearts here that think that $600 is too much to have YOUR CRIMINAL OFFENSE WHERE YOU INJURED/KILLED/RAPED/ABUSED/ROBBED or generally caused harm to another human being, is too much. Give your heads a shake. Why should pardons be allowed in the first place? here is a thought...DON'T BREAK THE LAW. And seriously, getting a job is too tough?

Havelock Heavy
said

Does the government wish to impose full cost recovery for the process of granting a pardon? Does $631 represent that full cost? Or does the government wish to impose further punitive measures upon someone who has done time for the crime? Which is it, Mr. Toews? If you really are seeking an honest reaction from Canadians, we deserve a proper explanation of what you are up to.


Ron
said

Marg_toronto has it right, and a true Canadian... that is the way we should be! Steve down below has good ideas, and the story from John will hopefully make some of you hard heads think harder! Like John has explained you would be surprised how much garbage goes on in our legal system, pardons are a needed and necessary part of it all. $600 is WAY to much... many people in trouble started from the very bottom... you think they have that kind of money laying around? Not to mention feeding your kids, taking care of the family and its needs... your on minimum wage because of a dumb move when your were young and now have a criminal record that allows no better jobs... and your supposed to take this $600 for a pardon from where? Its obvious that most people posting here have no concept of true poverty....


Jim-Surrey
said

It is about time this was done.Our tax dollars are NOT for this.They committed a crime and need a pardon then YES they pay for it!No different if YOU get a speeding ticket YOU pay it NOT the general public.Our tax dollars are used for far too many things already that don't justify it!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bob in TO
said

Marg, I think your kinda on to something. The Government needs to pay for it's own bureaucracy. Though, I'm not saying 100%, but, it shouldn't be a burden to people. $50, even $150 as it is now is reasonable. Make it a sliding scale...convicted of X...pay X, convicted of Y...pay Y. The only way I can see this working at the higher rate is if it's tied into the Legal Aid system, where if you don't make a certain amount of money, you pay less, or nothing. Basically, as it stands if passed...it's punishing them again for the same crime...which would be illegal.


Rick
said

The cost of a pardon should be at least equal to the fees charged by the lawyer hired.If the lawyer is legal aid, a fixed fee would be fine.If the person spends thousands on "high end cute lawyers", the fees should at least be equal to the fees charged by the hired lawyers.This will at least try to level the playing field so that criminals with money, which may or may not be illicit, can't be pardoned easier with a clever lawyer than those without money.This also will cover off the increased costs associated with a "cute" reason as the costs to government, that means us, will rise as the investigation goes forward.$631.00 is absolute bs when someone has has been convicted of a serious crime that they think needs to be hidden from the unsuspecting public, us again.The cost of a pardon should be borne by those seeking a pardon, since they have been justly convicted as opposed to those who seek exoneration as in the cases of miscarriages of justice such as convictions on bogus information by disgraced pathologist Charles Smith.


Marg _toronto
said

I can not believe the vile hatred on this post. The Government should pay for these poor people so they can get a pardon and get back on their feet. We are compassionate caring people supposedly in this country. I for one am prepared to pay a little so these people can have a second chance. It is the canadian way. For shame to all you right wing non compassionate conservatives. Have a heart. The government should cover the cost of their own bureaucracy


personified opinius
said

What most of you fail to realize is that someone with a criminal record cannot get employed anywhere, how is that person supposed to pay such a huge fee? Sell drugs? Rob corner stores? Poverty comes hand in hand with crime when there's no job opportunities. All this does is make people do crime in order to get out of crime, paradoxical is it not? Government is just looking to cut costs every way they can because, let's face it, their monetary resource allocation is ridiculous. Where is all the money going? Private banks? Bailouts? Harper's vacations? Last time I went to the hospital I was informed that only one doctor was on duty because the hospitals are underfunded. I hear complaints that all our doctors run away to the united states, that's because there's no jobs here. Tuition fees are on the rise. unemployment insurance keeps finding new ways to NOT pay you if you loose your job. If you know what goes on in the justice system you'd know that Judicial aide (free lawyers) NEVER do their jobs and sell out the poor who can't afford a private lawyer, this results in innocent individuals ending up with a criminal records and we're back where we started. So now that we have understood that we aren't getting ANY services what so ever, then where is the money going? Where's the money? Most importantly, where are all these jobs I keep hearing about created by the Harper government? 400,000 jobs were created, where? It's easy to put things on paper and ignore reality.


Steve
said

Just a few ideas on both sides of the argument; raising the cost of the pardon so high will put some people out of the loop financially. If they have a minor crime, and have cleaned up their act, they need a pardon to get a job and re-enter society. The high fees therefore favour those with money. A similar example are speeding fines. A $200 ticket is a lot for someone at the bottom of the the economic ladder but it is a minor inconvenience for a guy with no debt who is driving a high end SUV. To make it really fair, it should be graduated and based on income. $100 for the guy on welfare and up to $2000 for the guy in the SUV.Second, pardons for really serious crimes should take a longer time and be harder to get. It is one thing to get pardoned for a single shoplifting conviction or a DUI or drug possession charge. It is quite another to be pardoned for repeat violent assaults or repeat sex attacks. These should be in a separate stream altogether and the serious crimes not pardoned at all. Why should a serial rapist have his crimes supressed?A little more sophistication in policy making please Prime Minister.


Alan
said

I wholeheartedly agree with the convicted criminal having to pay the entire cost to obtain a pardon. Haven't the rest of us already paid enough taxes to investigate, try, convict, and possibly incarcerate these people? Why the heck should we also have to pay more to help them get a pardon?


Merlin.....................Surrey B.C.
said

You bunch of mamby pambys, No one should get a pardon that has been found guilty. A pardon is given to a person who was convicted falsely and at a second or third round go-a-round with the courts, found not guilty would get a pardon.Only in Canada ..ah would you pardon anyone who did something wrong.


Rod M
said

The Conservatives will never get a majority as long as they keep trying to push through blanket rules like this. This hard right wing social conservatism is uncomfortable for the majority of Canadians. No matter how they spin it this kind of stuff will never sell with the majority of Canadians. It is time that all moderate Canadians join together and get rid of people who come up with these ideas.


T-Rex in BC
said

Sorry 'Get it right' you are slightly incorrect. Pardons Canada can undertake all necessary steps and procedures for removing your criminal record, including: Pardons, Purges, and File Destructions and upon completion will permit the Canadian citizen to freely leave Canada to travel without worry, including the US!


Lz in Edmonton
said

I can't believe some people here feel that $641 is way too much a burden for a convicted offender? Since when is it the tax payer's job, to have someones conviction pardoned paid by us taxpayers? I would think, the true cost is NOWHERE close to $641 and those that think this is a tax grab, give your head a shake. The number of 15 million is not even a drop in the billions spent on the criminal justice system across this country. To get a pardon for $641 is CHEAP and a Fantastic Deal. Just not for he taxpayer as they have been screwed four times by the same offender. Once, when they committed the crime, twice as we paid for the court and jail costs, three when they are now allowed to vote, and four, a discount for a pardon so the file is sealed. Give me a break please.


John
said

My wife had me arrested, on 4 different charges, including rape, The prosecution offered 2 counts of assault to plead guilty - legal fees cost me 3000$ ... to have fought the case would have cost $35,000 and if I lost 2 years in prison and a listing on the sex offenders list.2 years later my wife called the police on my daughter to have her arrested ...I will leave readers to see a pattern ...I look to the pardon to be able to take my daughters grand son (they are both currently living with me) to Disney World in 5 years time,We like to think the system is fair, just, and reasonable. I am fortunate to have been able to pay the $3000, to have a car to drive to parole, to have a very good job. I will be able to afford 50$, 150$ or 800$ but there are many who have been in a similar situation to me that can't.A gentleman on a course I took as part of my required re-education had been stabbed and was arrested, Another called the police because the girlfriend went nuts (she was supposed to be medicated and wasn't taking medication) He spent Christmas in a cell ... and four months later still didn't have access to see his children.Just another view


jada
said

Pardons already cost enough. those with minor offences should get pardons. there are so many laws now, that too many people have criminal records.


Larry in Winnipeg
said

A pardon is a benefit to the person who has once committed a criminal offense. His action, his choice. Is it not more just that he pays rather than having it paid for mainly by citizens who have no criminal record? I believe pardons should be available, but the ex-criminal better be ex and the onus should be on him to pay AND to provide evidence that he has reformed his ways if he wants his record to be sealed.


Will
said

Sam C has it right. There are some offences that should NEVER be pardoned. As for Dia's whine about criminals being so hard done by: good! Prison is a punishment not a vacation. Stop whining and take some responsibility for your actions.


Bryn
said

John in TO, I guess all the money we're spending on the rehabilitation programs are a waste then, because we have so many repeat offenders. I even read here from one of the posters that they're released out on the street with no skills, even though there are so many programs there for them to take advantage of. Too bad that they can't take the trouble to take advantage of them while they're in there, because they're all voluntary. I guess it's time to do away with all those programs because they're such a waste, huh? Either way, they still haven't paid back all they owe "society". They want the pardon, they should have to pay for it themselves, not from my tax dollars, thank you.


shawbrooke
said

It's outrageous that the civil service adds new, over the top, process every time they get asked to change something. Changing the old process, not adding new processes, is always cheaper and serves the purpose. What about adding policies concerning what types of crimes cannot be pardoned, and serial abusers of teens would be first on that list? And then making the checks more reasonable. I'm concerned about adding an over $600 bill to the life of those trying to get back on track. The point is that we need more care, the politicians are correct there. But we don't need the solution that the civil service has put into place.Empire builders.


Bill, Toronto
said

White collar crime can get a pardon. But the guy stealing food for his family, now can never get a job. The rich gets the gravy, the poor gets the beans. Lying politicians should be hung!


BD
said

The one thing that alot of people don't know is that when you are charged with a crime and are found NOT guilty for whatever reason the police are under no responsibilty to destroy your fingerprints and mugshot. Once you have been charged with a crime that evidence never goes away. The only way to remove this permanently is to apply for a pardon. This doesn't sound fair for people who have never been convicted of a crime in a court of law.


Bryn
said

dia: "pay their debt to society". Funny how the criminals have all paid their debts to "society". Did they bring back the victim's self respect for rape? Did they bring back someone's dead son? Did they bring back the stolen goods, which are often uninsured because the people they stole from couldn't afford the insurance? Yes, let's keep charging them until they get the message not to do the crime in the first place. "Club Fed" is finished with. If you're a crook, you're going to have to pay the dues finally. Get used to it, or get used to biting the pillow.


gran
said

I dont get the justice system, there should be no reason for a pardon. A person does a crime, they get caught, they get a trial, they either pay a fine or do jail time. When it is all over their debt to society should have been paid. What point is there to having a justice system if when everything is done you are just as guilty as when it all started.


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

Another Great effort by the government to get the people concerned to ~ "Pay their own Way" ! If Convicted Ciminals want a "Pardon" then bare100% of the costs involved ~ you did the crime - paid the time - NOW - Pay for a Pardon. We taxpayers pay thousands of dollars, per criminal, and its time they pay, or don't ask to play.We need to support criminals less and support the poor and elderly more. Criminals when convicted, have lost all their rights, (if only that was so - it was at one time, now is give them everything). "Pardon ~ Pay" - (simple, and pay according to crime sentence handed down).


Sam C
said

I can see the reason for granting pardons -- someone commits a relatively minor crime and wants their record expunged so they can obtain meaningful employment. Perhaps the government should look into WHO gets a pardon. There should be a list of offences for which a pardon is NOT granted. As for the fee -- if you do the crime, you do your time, then if you want a pardon it should be on your dime.


Carl
said

Travis took the words right out of my mouth -- er, keyboard. I agree 100% that convicts should pay the full cost of the pardon process.


True North Strong and Free
said

If you have committed a crime this is a very small price for the suffering you have caused to your victim or victims. Consider that in other countries you would not have the privilege to apply for a pardon or potentially a life after your conviction.


John in TO
said

Fine, but if you're pardoned you should have the money refunded to you. Let's not make it more difficult for those who are trying to re-enter society. Contrary to what conservatives might think, Canada's criminal justice system is overwhelmingly focussed on rehabilitation; just because somebody commits a crim doesn't mean they should be condemned to a life of second class citizenry forever.


Get it Right
said

Have you ever read a pardon issued by the Canadian Government? To the law experts. Pardons do not remove a record. Do the research. Pardons, "seal" as stated in their documentation. The record is kept and if it is deemed applicable, it can be re-opened and the "pardon" can be revoked. JUst a note, pardons issued by the Parole Board in Canada are not recognized in the USA. The USA view of those with convictions in Canada is, while it's nice that your government pardoned you, we didn't. And they retain the info in their data base.Steve in Moncton - great idea. The next time you get a speeding ticket, can we just charge you the cost of officers time and training, administration costs for processing the ticket and your subsequent payment,? I mean pay your way, right Steve? In a perfect world my friend, in a perfect world.


Tom
said

In 2010 , 24,134 pardons were granted. Some were charged $50.00 and others were charged $150.00. If the government was to grant 24,134 pardons in 2011 @ $631.00 the process would total $15,228,554. This propossed figure of $631.00 has nothing to do with convicted people " paying " for the cost of the process but more of the government trying to snowball us in to believing they are tough on crime. BullSh#T ! Don't get me wrong there are scum that should never be released. A cost saving measure would be these people in prisons are not fed as good as reports claim they are. They are to receive their daily required intake of the food groups and nothing more.Now that would be getting tough. Actions speak louder than words. Prevention not reaction !What ever monies Mr.Harper is wanting to give to the large corporations through a tax cut perhaps allow these corporations to continue to pay their share and put this money in communities so youths will have places to go and get involved within their communities in a productive way and try to help prevent these youths from going down the wrong road.


spencer
said

I'm a criminal.....that is I have a ariminal record. Was convicted of impared driving in 1980.It does have it's advantages though.....several times that letter comes stating you are required to report for jury duty unless......there is a box you check indicating you have a criminal record for wich you have not recieved a pardon.....I check that box and I'm good for another 5 years.


Charlotte
said

Yes go for it , a pardon should cost a lot to show that a crime was comitted and now you must pay again, never enough payment for a crimes comitted.


Charlotte
said

Yes go for it , a pardon should cost a lot to show that a crime was comitted and now you must pay again, never enough payment for a crimes comitted.


Lionel
said

One who does the crime should be the one footing the cost for it. Not the law abiding. I would be more interested in seeing a charge in the $1500-$2500 range which would be more in line with the real costs for the process.


Everyone makes mistakes
said

Can you say "GOUGE" ? Feds have a monopoly on pardons so they can charge whatever they want and there is no recourse. Gouge, Gouge, Gouge


John
said

This is good and bad at the same time.The problem is it applies to ALL pardons. So the person who made just ONE mistake in his life and is trying to get it fixed might have a problem. Remember, it's not easy to get a job with a record. So an extra $500 can def change things.


Gareth Hitchings
said

So only rich people can be pardoned now? I guess this is what the Conservatives call Justice. The best Justice that money can buy!


dia
said

Good idea. Lets make people serve their time, pay their debt to society in a place where they are humilated, often beaten and abused. Let's then release them without any money and often without any job skills, and no offer of any kind of support. Let then revile them, and refuse to hire them because they a record so that they end up on the street on welfare, or return to crime. And if, miracle of miracles, a person somehow makes it aand after years of living a crime-free life, would like to have a pardon - we should punish them more, dammit! God forbid we should extend any kind of consideration, empathy, understanding or even treating those who have reformed with any respect! Nope, lets just keep punishing and punishing and punishing.No wonder we need more jails.


Toad
said

Make them pay the actual full cost plus was restitution ordered and has it been taken care of as well?In addition there should be a probation period depending on what type of offense the pardon is granted for. Tag the pardon to the SIN and if a crime is committed during the probation period the pardon is revoked plus costs plus no further pardons will be considered ever.


almer
said

Those Bas*&^ds charged me whatever the then fee was and then proceeded to screw me around.Only after waiting 6 months and contacting the mounties did I finally get a response.I am out of the country till april and when I return, they'll probably tell me I have to restart the process at the higher price?


Travis
said

I fully support this idea. By definition, Pardon's are granted to Convicted offenders. Essentially, they were proven to have commited a crime and they want it removed from their record with a pardon. Why should the general population have to pay 'fix' something they were proven to have commited? If they want the pardon, they should pay the full cost of the process. If they don't want to pay it, don't commit the crime, simple. The financial burden of their mistake(s) should not fall on the law abiding populace of our great country.


Steve in Manotick
said

I think the cost of a pardon should be twice the cost of crime commited or at least equal to the cost the taxpayers shelled out for the stay in jail... Hey that way the convicts can pay for their own prisons not us..


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