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Date: Friday Jan. 28, 2011 7:14 PM ET

OTTAWA — Canada hasn't recouped all the jobs lost during the recession after all, Statistics Canada said Friday in a blow to the federal government's boast about the strength of the recovery.

The official statistical agency now says Canada lost more jobs during the 2008-09 recession than previously reported, and has created fewer jobs so far into the recovery.

The revision means there were still 30,000 fewer Canadians working as of December -- the last month for which there is data -- than was the case in October 2008 when the slump hit Canada's shores.

Canada's employment growth has been one of the strongest in the advanced world, surpassing all expectations and even the rate of growth in the economy.

"Most of us were shaking hour heads in disbelief early last year with the size of the employment growth," said Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist of BMO Capital Markets.

"Most of us thought it was too good to be true and it turns out it was too good to be true."

Previously, the agency had estimated 465,000 were created since the bottom hit in July 2009, more than the 417,000 lost during the slump.

But Porter and other economists caution that Canada's jobs growth, even after the revision, has still been strong and far better than what has occurred in the United States.

The new numbers show there were 428,000 jobs lost during the downturn and to date, 398,000 created in the recovery.

Under the previous record, Canada was supposed to have returned to pre-slump employment levels back in August.

But the revision eliminates, for now, a key talking point Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty have repeatedly used to fend off opposition attacks on their handling of the economy.

Harper and Flaherty have stressed the point that Canada is the only country in the G7 to have recovered all the jobs it had lost.

In an email response from Davos, Switzerland, Flaherty stressed that Canada's employment growth remains the strongest in the G7, and that the revisions do not effect the unemployment rate, which remained at 7.6 per cent.

"We know that there are still too many people looking for work. Our government is working on their behalf to create jobs and economic growth across Canada," Flaherty said.

Statistics Canada annually reviews its employment data, as well as other indicators, and has often revised previously reported numbers.

The latest revision, the agency said, came about because Statistics Canada switched from using 2001 census to 2006 census numbers, which had the effect of lowering population estimates and workforce size by about 0.3 per cent.

That means that there are almost 100,000 fewer Canadians in the workforce, and about 13,000 fewer officially unemployed.

CIBC economist Avery Shenfeld said Canadians should still have confidence in the agency to accurately measure economic indicators.

"The same process has to take place in virtually every statistical agency, including the U.S., and historically Statistics Canada has actually a better track record," Shenfeld said.

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kit
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As one of those that was downsized and is still looking for employment the announcement of recovery is a joke, especially if you are in South Western Ontario.Where is the job creation they keep talking about all I see is 3 to 6 mth contract positions that when you are done there is no EI or severance pay available to get you through to the next contract position


Spence in Ontario
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@Melanie Terrace,BC - The union complaints are generally garbage. Wages have been static since the 1970s, if wages had increased at the same level as productivity rates the min wage would be over $15 per hour by now. Instead what happened is the concentration of wealth has drifted so that the upper class get a continually larger percentage of the wealth and the middle and lower class receive no more than 30 to 40 years ago. The most ideal solution would be for the top income earners, like CEOs and corporate execs to take a cut in their pay to give to the workers, not that it will happen. They could very easily afford it though and I'm honestly somewhat disgusted that in a recession the base pay and benefits for the workers seem to go but the people at the top give up nothing. I don't begrudge success, but there is a line between success and exorbitance.


kim
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I think its about time that the working class woke up.That every aspect of government from provincial to federal has been lying to us for decades.Jobs what jobs?A part time job at maybe 10 or 12 dollars an hour and thats called job creation? If thats job creation they can keep it.Our country like the United States sent our jobs to China where the workers are paid 1/4 of Canadian workers.Thats where our jobs are.



Lesley
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Hey, they finally woke up! You should try having your husband unemployed for most of 2010 and I, due to health issues can't work. You know where this leads us too? Bankruptcy...thank you Mr Harper! Twenty five years of work and marriage down the drain. We are so proud of our government!!!


George Alberta
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Just more clear evidence that Mr. Harper and Mr. Flaherty and the Conservative Party are not being honest with us. It also makes it clear why they want to do away with things like the long form census. More information leads to more stats, more stats lead to more proof that the CON agenda is not working and we are being misled by our politicians! And that leads to one more very good reason why the current govt must go!


Archie
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For those of you asking how stats canada can make such a big error they tell you in the article. A little research with stats can on their web site will tell you also that when they released the figures on January 7, 2011 it was expected that the figures would be re-released January 28. It states in part "Following the release of final population estimates from each census, a standard revision is applied to the Labour Force Survey (LFS) estimates. The revised estimates are scheduled to be released on Friday, January 28, 2011, and will include the following: it then goes on to explain the reasons. Perhaps some commentators should take a little time to do some research before going gung-ho is slamming people who are attempting to keep us informed. Not sure if our illustrious press reported this part on January 7 or not.


Sheila
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Really ... this is news ... all those Auto industry jobs lost in Ontario are never coming back ... all those other manufacturing jobs outsourced to China are not coming back. The jobs that are coming back are the ones that require an education. If you lost your job and did nothing to change your situation you will probably never work again in anything but a low paying crap job. Economic stimulus was for short term manual labor type work ... Roads construction and the like. When those projects are done those jobs are gone too.

If you want a decent job and want to get paid for your skills get some skills ... and that doesn't mean going to university. Odds are I'll call plumbers to my house way more often than I will ever call a lawyer!


G
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Statscan can say what they want my personal experience is jobs aren't aplenty.


Knowfoolin
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Business owners and managers these days don't want to hire a skilled & experienced worker for the wage they deserve...they would rather low-ball the salary and-or hire a 'lad' or a 'girl-with-braces'.That's the new Canada today, where minimum wage IS the new standard of take-it or leave-it job opportunity and career choice option for most people. ..a collusion of poverty to create a desperate a work force.


Vicks, Markham
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Recent in power government spent $60 billions on Bush's two endless wars, and keep spending taxpayer's $16 billion to buy 65 F35 American toy jet fighters. My fellow Canadians tighten our belts to enrich American ammunition tycoon please! No jobs is definitely Harpro good job.


Frank D.
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I just read today that Magna is going to spend $100,000,000.00 in Mexico and is going to hire 700 employee's. There is no recession , this realey should be called, "Free Trade in Action"...this was well planed along time ago!


Jack E
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Green technology jobs and stem-cell research positions require post secondary education and improved skills, this puts far more people to work than Harper's arenas, roads & prison. Once the arena, prisons & roads are built then there's no more work. Green technology jobs and stem-cell research positions create on going employment & as the technology advances many more jobs are created & Canada could become a leader in these areas. Ignatieff has a vision, Harper has no vision, he's taking us down a dead end road same as Mulroney.


Jim
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The Canadian economy has created 400,000 jobs since July 2009. I totally agree with Flaherty: 125,000 jobs created in Canada went to Banglore India, 125,000 jobs went to Pakistan,150,000 jobs went to Mexico, As a politician, as long as you can quote without lying, your doing OK. These jobs are being created, just not for Canadians. Magna just built a plant in Mexico, where care will be built by Mexican`s who are making 10 dollars an hour to make them. Does that mean we get to pay only 10,000 to buy them.


Anne
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Statistics can be used to support whatever you want them to, sort of like putting vaseline on a camera lens...just blur reality a little. It's like all the posturing about wind energy (among other schemes) costing millions but creating thousands of jobs; sure it will. So much baloney.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Most economists stated a long time ago that this recessionary recovery would be a "jobless" one. (Recall that?) Lost on certain assessments is the implicit "Liberal" notion that we're still immersed in the recession. We're not. Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff, to the head-shaking amazement of sensible Canadians, asked if we are better off now than we were five years ago...ignoring the transpiration of a major global economic recession, the lingering effects of which are still, obviously, as predicted, with us. The summer of 2009 wasn't a few months ago; it was a year-and-a-half ago. Today, Canada's economy is the strongest of the G7, and our deficit-to-GDP ratio is the lowest. If you think that Team Liberal playing the jobs/economy angle is going to get Iggy into the PM's office, and not just cheered temporarily by robotic "anti-Con" crusaders before returning to Harvard, then federal election night might not add up to a pleasant experience for you. (Stay away from that Kool-Aid. This country, this parliamentary democracy, needs a strong Opposition. We need you Liberal folk.) Nobody promised you a rose garden. No government should be expected to hold your hand. Democratic-capitalist governments don't "create" jobs; socialist ones do...until they implode. Thanks.


Profit
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Jeremy in Niagara Falls. Employers were not giving out bonuses, raises etc.No Jeremy they weren't. You see Jeremy, these are things you earn based on performance and value added to a company. When you're with a company for 5 or 10 years and offer no more than you did at day one, why would anyone pay more? You are only worth what you were worth at day one Jeremy. I would never give out a bonus, you've got to demonstrate that you merit one. And Jeremy, owners are in business to make a profit, otherwise they'll be out of business. They invested their own personal money and risk to start businesses. There is no big money bag in the sky. Ask all the right questions when you hire on.


bikerborz
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And this is news? Does nobody remember Mark Twain -- "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."?


Firinn
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NOOOOOO. Say it's not so. What's even more frightening is the quality and type of jobs that are being advertised as recouped. Break it on down for us Stats Can or Sir Flaherty. Working in Bargain Department Stores is not progress. Where are the ground breaking innovative tech jobs, or how about new high tech machinery in manufacturing. Nope ..... the Chinese and Indians have them.


KK Alberta
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@Doug in BC

Finally some sense...I was laid off for 7wks until I took a job that paid less but now that I am here the benefits/extras like a good group of people to work with/less stress and a bit of job security has made my choice a good one. I am happy and bringing home a pay cheque and very thankful I did not hold out for more money. Just maybe taking something that is not what you want has some unexpected blessings. I would rather be working and paying my bills than holding out for a dream job that does not exist.


Catwoman 38
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Just comes to show you, you can't take this govt word on job creation.There is lots of people still out looking for work.


Kevin in Vancouver
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Okay......I'm absolutly positive they got it right this time........Not!!!!!!


Mark in Wpg
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Fortunately things like "statistics" and "reality" have no place in Harper's Canada.


Melanie Terrace,BC
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I guess if this column is for people to post their own little pet peeves,I can feel free to add a couple of my own. The person who asked how many $50K jobs were replaced by $30K jobs might also be wise to ask how many of those $50K jobs were ever worth $50K.There are public sector union jobs in Vancouver that pay people $27 per hour,plus benefits,for SWEEPING floors.Maybe some busineeses just found out they had to pay what a job was worth,rather than what the employee wanted.And that,it is your skill set that you get paid for.Not what a union demands. And I wonder who the real fool is when we see people complaining about being poor because they work at minimum wages,or suffer from lay offs.Here's an idea.Instead of sitting on the computer on a work day,try either looking for a job.Or,if you're in a small town where you've already looked at all possibilities,doing some volunteer work.Or,if your job is a minimum wage job,how about upgrading your skill set with a little study and upgrading of your education.A minimum wage job was always meant to be a foot in the door.Not a career opportunity. I can say this with a relative amount of certainty, I think.The days of free rides are over.If you have no skills,your pay will be minimal,and job opportunities will be scarce.Do yourself a favour by doing something to make yourself more valuable to potential employers.Very few low skilled people will have life time jobs,with big pay in an increasingly competetive global economy.And tax payers will soon grow weary of supporting people who won't do anything for themselves.


RS
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The Harper government is not total to blame.
If the Liberal or NDP was in instead you would complain about them. There is a recession going on in most countries. We are still better off then the USA. Statcan may have got the numbers wrong but it is the people at Statcan that got it wrong, Harper is only one person, I am sure he didn't do that by himself.
If you don't like the American stores coming up here, stop shopping in them and then they will go under and shutdown. Of course then we won't have any stores as our Canadian retailers sold to the American Retailers.
As for high paying jobs there were only a few around before the recession.


Roy
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To Shayne,I will still take Canada over any other country when you consider their debts.And governments don't create jobs what they do is set the foundation to entice companies to come to Canada or to expand and create jobs,I think the current government is doing just that by lowering corporate taxes.I know if I were interested in locating in Canada that is what I would be looking at.


Walter of Morden
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Don't blame the added debt on Harper. The other children in that ornate playground threatened to force an election if he didn't do it. He did the best he could with the uncooperative children that he had to work with.

Stats Can is like a computer. We give garbage info and we get garbage answers.


Carl
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That's a pretty major mistake on the part of StatsCan. Obviously, these numbers are mere guesswork. I'd like to know the cause of the mistake, and I'd like StatsCan to explain why we should believe their new numbers. You can't just toss out such a major revision without explaining yourself.


Greg
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How can this be true? Jim Flarethy & Prorogue Minister Harpsalot have be telling us that their action scam had recovered all the jobs. Maybe if the 140 million spent on those action scam signs had gone to a Canadian company rather than an American company these numbers would be different. Harper loves his American big business, his new years gift is more tax cuts for them & we get an income tax increase to make up for the corporate welfare he gives to his buddies.


Linda in Vancouver
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Interesting.But no surprise.This is the same arm of government that tells us illegal refugees are a net positive to Canada,and that crime is on the decline.Anyone who plans a life or votes on anything Statistics Canada reports is making a huge mistake. Still.Unemplyment here is a full 2% less than in the USA,and far lower than it is in most other western countries.It's been decades since we've had unemployment lower than the USA. Everything has to be taken in context,to be relavant.Before this recession,BC had a labour shortage,and there were still panhandlers standing in front of almost every "Help Wanted" sign.That makes me wonder how many unemployed peope really want jobs,or just prefer to complain that the government won't pay their bills.


Ernie Richards
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I am not surprised by the Stats Canada announcement that they were incorrect. People continually believe the myth that statistics are 100% foolproof. They are far from that. Stats are always used by governments to obfuscate and hide the truth.


Jamie D
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People in Government are inept. I am a computer engineer, and operate a consulting company. I worked all over Canada in both private and public contracts. During the peak of the 'recession' I was doing a three year contract for a prairie government. I totally missed the recession. It was intended, as I know that Government is a recession proof industry, and since the skills/technologies I sell are in VERY SHORT SUPPLY but have a HUGE demand, I get pulled into contracts everywhere (I don't look for work anymore, it finds me)I got the shock of my life when I worked for the government during the recession. The Government workers did not even register that people outside their walls were losing their jobs, and standing in food bank lines. They just kept plugging away, going on vacations, and buying cars, boats, and toys. When I went home to the coast on the weekends, I would see the people: worried, losing homes, emptying food hampers at the church. But civil servants were soo padded from it that they became arrogant about it's effects on real people.This immediately made me a fan for small government. Government is only a bunch of chairs that are being held down for someone else. Definitely not held down for the average Joe/Jane on the street. It is no wonder we get no service from the Tax dollars. The gov employees behave like they are owed the cheque, and not have to work for it.So I looked at Ottawa recently: I am seeing the same old thing happening. Bunch of chairs filled, but nothing really getting to us other than TV attack ads.


Doug ^^^ BC
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I've always taken the statistics and polls with a grain of salt.How Stats Can screwed this up is beyond me.But the reports are essentially irrelevant.If you're out of work,you need to look for a job.If you have to,go where there are jobs.Don't wait for one to come in the mail,or until you find the job you want.Take a job you may not necessarily be in love with,and keep looking for the job you really want. However,aside from the usual collection of political junkies logging on with their same tired old spin,the posts I've read so far swmm to show Canadians as a very "glass half empty" bunch of whiners. OMG.These "evil" companies want to make a profit.Who would have thought? Well,guess what.If they don't,ALL their jobs are lost.And of course this "mean" government can't find me a job.Really? Talk about nanny state thinking.And then there's my personal favourite.I can't find a job I WANT to do.Are you serious? You tell me how many people get that dream.Most people I know take jobs to earn money.They use that money to do things they WANT to do.Employers hire people to do things they need done.Not to operate a hobby farm. Read some international news people.Look at what's going on elsewhere.If you really think what's going on in the nations who typically buy our products is irrelevant,you are part of the problem,and almost certainly never going to be a part of the solution. Oh poor me!! Give me a break.Our ancestors must be rolling over in their graves.For the most part,because of the nanny state mentality,it's we the people who have become weak..


Jeremy Niagara Falls, Ontario
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Alot of employers "played" on the recession. Employers were not giving out bonuses, raises etc. My wife's company being one of them, and the company record record profits in 2009... what jerks some employers are.


Rumors and Rhetoric
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What's amazing is that news companies are even in business - reporting rumours and rhetoric daily. The economy collapsed. No, no, it contracted. It's expanding, no it's just too big to measure. Jobs lost, jobs gained, seasonal jobs, people who quit looking. What's real is change. Life is a moving target. All these things are reported so that people buy and sell, buy and sell. So the real question is simply, how are you doing today? Period.


Rick in Alberta
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Come to Alberta.....Lots of job here. My wife was just hired for a 30k a year job, sight unseen. The guy said be here tomorrow. Flex time and 6 hours a day. We moved from Ontario 6 months ago and have 30k in the bank already....more pay, less taxes and good jobs. Get out of Ontario while you can. And the houses are at a good price now. The same as you would pay in Ottawa, or any major center.


JLF
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Why would all those jobs be recovered when we now have shadow governments in Canada posing as Canadian but "Made in communist China"?


Tom
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I can tell you no matter what Stats Canada, the Economist from the big banks or anyone else says about all the jobs that were lost during the recession that they have all been gained back is nothing but bull ......... This is not the case in my community, hundreds of jobs have been lost. Some have found work, others have not! People who have worked all there life in the wood industry have lost everything they worked for. The good paying jobs are gone, and if you think that working part-time or for minimum wage is the answer, then i would love for the Govt., etc., to wear my shoes for a month.


Lorne
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Should come as no surprise. Only believe half of what you hear. Numbers are being juggled and will continue to be juggled as we are probably going into an election. People only have to look around their own community - see what jobs are available and pay well - very few and far between. People are trying to survive on minimum wage in the majority of the cases - just about impossible.


The Answer
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Still waiting for an answer to the following question;
"How many 50K+ a year jobs were replaced by 30K jobs?"

'I guess if you're dumb enough to vote for him, you're dumb enough to believe them.' - Antiflag


shayne
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Something like 60% of canadians would be unable to pay their obligations if their pay was delayed a month. All there needs to be is an upset in another country that will cause our housing collapse. The countries are falling like dominos so it's just a matter of waiting. Inflation is coming. If a shock from another country doesnt push us over the edge inflation sure will. And more taxes! on every level of government. Beautiful situation we got. Nobody will buy things when they're priced so aweful. What will that do to the so called ever expanding corporate profits all your retirements portfolios are priced in. Good luck :)


dan
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a great number of the jobs that have been created pay much less than before the recession. What good are low paying jobs? How long can you live at or below subsistance levels? The numbers are a political smoke screen to the current reality that our standard of living is being erroded! Where will it end?


Gill
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In Abbotsford unemployment is 9.9%, home prices are falling, me thinks the bubble is starting to burst. The good news 40 new Wal-marts coming, get one of those jobs & your set for life, you's have to work 3 - 8 hours shifts to pay the bills but hey this is Harperland. Good news for Wal_mart in Harperland they pay the lowest corporate tax in the world, they'll be happy to spend their profits & tax savings in the USA. It's nice we get thrown scrapes from Harper's American buddies.


Danny
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Disgusting federal agency STATSCAN. It can not give any numbers correctly. I know very well Canada is not out of the whole as of today. It will never be. As a matter of fact, things will go bad as long as we canadians keep our mouth shut and don't protest on any measures that the federal government or the provincial government takes. HOW LONG CAN WE BE QUITE???? GST tax, utility bill increase, housing mortgage rate, auto insurance, food, gas price, to name a few have all gone up. These following items needs to be readjusted so that the consumer can have a decent life. One more thing bring Mr. Harper from Europe and remove McGuinty and Harper together. They both have destroyed this beautiful country Canada. Things will improve if they are gone. In every single country that has been affected by this recession got some sort of financial help directly from the government. Canada is the only country who has increased tax in every commodity items available in this planet to balance the budget, so that Peter Mckay can buy 65 fighter jet. CANADIANS WAKE UP, ITS HIGH TIME WE PROTEST. LET'S BRING THIS GOVERNMENT DOWN AND HAVE AN ELECTION.


Wendy
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I'm pretty sure the conservatives will tell us that stats-can didn't include all the unreported jobs. I wouldn't be surprised if Harper makes stats-can disappear for telling the truth.


RGBrook
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This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone regardless of the party they support. The end to the recession as announced by Statistics Canada in 2009 doesn't mean that "all is immediately well" as some here believe it should. That would be about as intelligent as saying "we've put out your house fire, you can move back in", or "Your heart surgery was successful, now go shovel the driveway". For most (I'd hope) ,that would be a no-brainer - at least it's been realized by those non-conservative downtrodden folk with their plastic guns... LOL. Sometimes I think that if Harper gave the call for his supporters to head to Ottawa for some communal Grape Kool-Aid they'd be jamming the highways. Not that that's a bad idea.


George
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I haven't worked in 13 months & everyone I know in construction is in the same boat. It's nice to see house prices & rents dropping, insolvencies Canada says personal bankruptcies are 22.6% higher than pre-recession levels. The conservatives have added another 100 billion to our national debit so were now paying 84 million daily in interest on our national debit. How much long till were a bankrupt nation?.


alan80
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Yeah, sure. Out of those 398,000 jobs, most of them are minimum wage, part time McJobs. Have fun trying to support a family, car, and home for a wage under $1000 a month.


happy
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Stats Can is only as good as the information they are provided with so quit slagging them.


wayne
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I wonder if the number quoted is accurate still? If using data from 2006 there could have been more jobs in 2008 at the start of the recession. Also many new jobs created are part time, low paying with no benefits, not nearly like many of the good jobs lost.

Canadian Scot, sad to hear you feel that way, please don't, its the people who run companies, who should be ashamed. Letting people go even when the companies are still successful, making good money, it is greed. There should be ramifications for the actions of these types of companies.


JB in Ontario
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If some of theses companies were not so concerned about big profits, they could hire hundreds of workers and create some much needed jobs for Canadians. I understand they need to be competitive, but it is ridiculous to the point of unnecessary greed by Senior employees. Share a little.


Canadian Scot
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Of course it has not recovered! If it had I would be working! I have been out of work now for 2 years! I feel useless and ashamed that I cannot find work. My husband is on 10 months notice then he wont have a job either. People are still losing jobs today especially older workers with little chance of getting another.


Prof. Pye Chartt
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Politically, an ounce of "good" news for Michael Ignatieff and his downtrodden Liberal supporters. Another cap to put in their little plastic pistols. On the other hand, Statistics Canada, the government agency that they habitually defend as publisher of truth and gospel (that somehow screwed up on this one, along with provincial employment levels), still states for the record that the recession ended in the summer of 2009. Hmm.


Pooter
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Maybe the criticism of statscan is warranted after all.Their job is to record numbers and report them.How hard can that be to get it right?


kitlope
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And in other news most of the new jobs are lousy paying service jobs.


Robert Breton
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This story is incomplete IMHO.The four provinces that have revised employment data should have been named and described.


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