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Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks with reporters in the foyer of the  House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday Nov. 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Michael Ignatieff speaks at a forum at Montreal's Dawson College, in Montreal, on Monday Nov. 22, 2010. (Peter Ray / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff delivers a speech on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Monday, Nov. 8, 2010.

Ignatieff now open to House vote on Afghan mission

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Question period: Bloc questions the Tories
Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe asks the Conservatives whether Prime Minister Stephen Harper will ensure that there is a debate and a vote in the House of Commons on extending the Afghanistan mission beyond 2011.
Question period: NDP questions the Tories
NDP Leader Jack Layton asks when the Conservatives plan to put forth a concrete plan on the extension of Canada's mission in Afghanistan, as NATO has made it clear that 2014 isn't necessarily a fixed withdrawal date.

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Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks with reporters in the foyer of the  House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday Nov. 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Michael Ignatieff speaks at a forum at Montreal's Dawson College, in Montreal, on Monday Nov. 22, 2010. (Peter Ray / THE CANADIAN PRESS) Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff delivers a speech on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Monday, Nov. 8, 2010.

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Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff speaks with reporters in the foyer of the  House of Commons on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Tuesday Nov. 16, 2010. (Adrian Wyld / THE CANADIAN PRESS)

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Date: Mon. Nov. 22 2010 8:52 PM ET

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said Monday he is now willing to support a vote in the House of Commons on the federal government's plan to extend Canada's mission in Afghanistan beyond 2011.

Ignatieff and other members of his caucus broke with the other opposition parties and repeatedly said last week that a Parliamentary vote on the training mission, which would see 950 soldiers and support staff remain in Afghanistan until 2014 in a training and aid role, was not necessary. The Liberals have long called for Canada to remain in Afghanistan past the scheduled July 2011 end of its combat mission in the country to train and support the Afghan National Army and police.

During a talk to students at Dawson College in Montreal on Monday, Ignatieff said he would not be opposed to a vote in the House.

Afterward, he told reporters that he will not be the one to propose a vote, but should there be one, "we have no problem with that."

"We've never ducked a democratic debate on Afghanistan," Ignatieff said.

Last week, the government announced that Canada will remain in Afghanistan until 2014 in a non-combat role. Despite calls by the NDP and the Bloc Quebecois, the Conservatives have repeatedly said parliamentary approval is unnecessary for a non-combat mission.

The Bloc and NDP repeated their calls for a vote Monday, hammering the government with charges of broken promises during question period.

"In May 2006, what the prime minister said was that there would be a vote on any new deployment abroad for any reason," Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe said in French. "Will the prime minister keep his promise and make sure that there is a debate and a vote in the House on extending the Afghanistan mission beyond 2011, regardless of the form of that mission? Because there will still be military personnel and he made that promise. Is he going to break it?"

Harper was not in the House for question period to answer the accusations. But Tory MP Denis Lebel, said the government "has been clear from the beginning" that the combat mission will end in 2011. "In the transition, we will continue to provide assistance and to help with training as requested and stated," Lebel said in French.

Duceppe said afterward his party will introduce a motion in the Commons on Thursday pertaining to the extension of the Afghan mission, but conceded that the government does not have to abide by the results of the vote.

NDP Leader Jack Layton last week accused the Liberals of conspiring with the government to prevent a vote on the issue in the House. On Monday, he questioned whether Canadian troops will indeed leave Afghanistan in 2014. On the weekend, leaders of the 28 nations that make up NATO wrapped up their annual summit by vowing to turn over security in Afghanistan entirely to Afghan forces and police by the end of 2014. However, NATO chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen also said that NATO troops will likely remain in the country well beyond that.

"The government won't give Canadians the straight goods on what's going on with this extension," Layton said.

"We now have NATO making it very clear that 2014 isn't necessarily a fixed date for the withdrawal. Considering all the broken promises around this issue, and it's clear that our troops will not only stay beyond 2011, but they could be staying a heck of a lot longer because the government has no exit strategy post 2014. So why won't they come clean? Why won't they allow a vote after a full debate in House?"

Government House Leader John Baird repeated the government's position that the extended mission won't involve combat, and therefore does not require House approval.

"Our government has been very clear and the practice has been if we're going to put troops into combat, to put them in a war situation, for the sake of legitimacy that we've made a practice of bringing it before Parliament. But what we're talking about here is a technical and a training mission," Baird said.

"What we want to do is to increase the capacity of the Afghan national army to be able to deal with the security of Afghanistan on their own. That's a great practice for Canada, where can actually train and provide the tools that Afghanistan needs to do its own job."

Ignatieff told the students Monday that despite the opposition to the mission's extension by the NDP and Bloc, the work in Afghanistan is not yet complete.

"The NDP and the Bloc say: 'It's finished. We can leave without consequences,' but we say, no, there are consequences if we make a sudden departure like that," he said.

"We've been there for a decade just to accomplish one task: that the Afghans can defend themselves."

With files from The Canadian Press

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MARG MM
said

Actually, why bother with a vote if the result will be Conservatives and Liberals for, and NDP/Bloc against. Seems like a waste of time. It also seems that Michael Ignatieff is only comfortable around students, he was at Dawson College today, last week he was in B.C. at high schools and universities. Can he not relate to ordinary working Canadians?? I guess he does have a captive audience at schools and universities. At other venues, people likely just don't show up.


Bryn
said

Could someone in Ottawa please put a stick in the ground so that Mr. Ignatieff has something to lean on?I'm sorry, but not only would he make a terrible "Leader", but he's also making a terrible "Opposition". He's on Mr. Harper's side on this issue, but will still waste taxpayers' money to debate an issue that doesn't require debate. Even if it did, he's still all for the new terms of the mission, since it's a non-combat role, but he needs to make his position clear.

Katherine
said

How is it a flip flop? He is saying that a)he agrees with the mission and b)it should be debated in the House of Commons. The two are separate issues, and there has been no flip flop. Although, to be fair Conservatives have always demonstrated a fluid appreciation for truth. Ask anyone in UAE.


Ed Vella
said

Harper stated in the spring that the mission would end and now he's extending it. What do you call that!!?? The majority of posts here are actually condemning Ignatieff because he's adjusted his position on something because of public/caucus pressure. Is that how I'm understanding this? And for a vote of all things!!!! Holy stifling democracy batman!! Let's reverse course here people, the man's done the right thing! PS. I'm all for extending the mission btw.


Jamie in Red Deer
said

Political ambition pure and simple.


Jamie D
said

Whoa there conservative horses. You seem to smell blood where there isn't any. Iggy is saying he is going to support the conservatives, but is open to a public vote if the public demands it. This seems to be quite an open concept. Stephen Harper wouldn't do this. He would think something up, then even if it is wrong stick with it until spin makes it right. Iggy is acting how an elected representative is supposed to act boys and girls. He is not supposed to take a stand on issues just to show force, he is supposed to take stand on issues that represents issues for all Canadians? Tell me wise ones on this forum: Is a politician supposed to get a few facts, take a position, then in light of new facts that speak to the contrary, he is supposed to stick with his original decision even though it is the wrong decision? I can see how the conservative party has lost it's way time and again (reason why they can't govern with a majority EVER!). People aren't stupid, they know that info changes, and the peoples opinions change. If they don't then we are in for a world of trouble. What if Chretians opinon didn't change when he was asked to invade IRAQ with the U.S. ? He initially was with the Americans, until he found out more facts, then said we aren't going to war with them. If he was Harper who acted on the first brain fart we would be seeing dead Canadian soldiers being shipped from Baghdad. If you don't get it then you never will.


back and to the left
said

Conservatives, your "leader" (I use that term loosely) is a liar, a sneak and has flip-flopped on many, many issues including pulling the troops out of Afghanistan in 2011. Are you sheep even close to being awake?


Bob fr Petawawa
said

Sure why not, that waste of taxpayers money cannot make up his mind. He's as bad as the ON Premiers, either they lie like a rug or cannot make up their mind on anything. The liberals both provincial and feberal are a real waste. Then it's not every government that pays sepertists to travel around the world to try and spread their word of seperation.


Jim McB
said

Come on, get of Iggy's case. He is just saying what his boss Jack Layton told him to say!


Gord. Robson, Nova Scotia
said

Ignatieff is doing his flip flops again. Just think somepeople want him to lead our country and it he seems to have trouble with decision making. Wow and he really wants to be P.M. ?


Laurie, laughing out loud
said

This clown changes his mind more often than most people change their underwear!!!!!:) I wonder if Iggy has ever had an original thought.........ahhhh maybe...ah....no, heh heh, I thought he had and then changed my mind:)I really hope the fiberals keep this guy; they deserve him.....


Sheilah
said

Good Grief! Professors ........ can we ever rid ourselves of them?


bennji
said

I support the Liberal position of keeping Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan in a training capacity. I also support the notion that issues like this should be subject to a FREE VOTE in the House of Commons. The Liberals decided to pass on the opportunity to move for debate and a vote on their opposition day. Both the Bloc and the NDP can do as they please with their days. This is still a democracy after all.


griffin
said

Ignatieff has not changed his mind on extending the training mission.What has changed, is his position on this being debated in the H of C. If we are to extend this mission, and put lives in danger it should be discussed in the H of C.While I do not agree with an extension, I do agree to the debate.


Steve the Pundit
said

Wouldn't be a Monday without a flip-flop from our old pal Iggy."A vote if necessary, but not necessarily a vote".Principled leadership at its finest...


Inga
said

I wonder if Iggy is familar with the expression "You can't please all the people all the time". All these deadlines in regards to Afghanistan are ridiculous anyways. An informed decision, whether to stay or pull out, has to be made based on the actual situation on the ground. I think it's only fair that we stay on in a diminished capacity, training the Afghans who (hopefully) will take over the security some day. We can't just say, so long and good luck, now you're on your own. That would also be a slap in the face of the soldiers (and their families) who have lost their lives during this mission.


Trevor in the Hat
said

So first Iggy wants troops to stay and do training, when Harper concedes and agrees Iggy doesn't want them to stay but doesn't feel it requires a vote. Now that it has been officialy announced to NATO Iggy wants a vote in the hopes of defeating it just to make Harper look bad on the international stage. Iggy doesn't care what this will do to Canada's image, he just wants to humiliate Harper and try to secure a spot for himself in the next election. Give it a break already Iggy, you are the worst thing that has ever happened to the Liberal party and the second worst thing that has ever happened to Canada with the Bloc being allowed to run as a federal party even though they only represent a single province coming in first place.


john messom
said

att canadianlet give michael ingatieff a kick not a vote right out of canada send him back where he came from the media talk about harper being scarcy they better take another look at ingatieff whenever you see his picture in the paper he has his mouth wide open most of the time and always pointing his finger or his hand which make me mad when some one point their finger this man can never make up his mind says one thing in one pronince and another in a another province this man does not know if he is coming or going who in their right mind would want this person to be prime minister i hope not to many so mr ingatieff do the right thing leave canada


stevo
said

Michael Ignatieff is still leader of the Liberals?


Pip
said

flip. . . flop . . .One has to wonder what will happen come election time: can a party platform be made to flip and flop whichever way the leader feels like leaning and actually bring about a WIN?


Mike
said

i just picked myself up off of the floor laughing. Flip Flop Flip Flop. Ya thats right we need this guy in charge. And of course he has no policies, he just whines


Luc from Carp
said

Why is anyone surprised??? Its just another flip flop on his part.


Paul ~ Kitchener
said

This "Liberal Leader" is something short of ridiculous. This is exactly what you get when you get a Teacher leading a National Political Party. This person is incapable of leading anything more than a class room & I have doubts of his being able to stick to a teaching format there. This guy swings from issue to issue, like the monkeys do from tree to tree, & they hang on, as this dud is doing as well. This is one more Liberal leader heading for oblivion and at least he makes Monsieur Dion look like a genious.The only one listening to him, is his wife, and those elected liberals - (& on them, not all are in support of Iggy either). Get ready for Bob Rae, the socialist turned left wing liberal (another looser).


Retired in Burlington
said

I can not beleive that the Liberal Party insists on keeping this man as their leader. Wake up Liberals until you choose a new leader, your Party is doomed. It has been 4 years of Harper with a minority government and you still can't gain any ground. Stick with Ignatieff and we'll have another 4 years of Mr. Harper. Your Party doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever getting elected with Ignatieff as your Leader. Wait.... maybe he'll change his mind again and won't think a vote is needed after all.


Chris in Kingston
said

People still want to vote this guy in as the leader of the country? He wouldn't be able to make up his mind on what to eat at a pizza place if the only thing available was pepperoni pizza.


Chris
said

I think we really need a new leader! I think Bob Rea will bring the liberal party back in power. We need a strong leader!!


Lz in Edmonton
said

Yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no yes no...


Broomer
said

If we haven't been able to train the Afghans in the 9 years we've been there then what makes all you Harper supporters think we can do it in another 3 years. I agree this should be put to a vote in the house as should ALL major decisions of this type. If any of you actually believe that the Afghan Army or police force will EVER be ready to control the outright corruption in that country then you are all drinking your bath water.


Retired Captain Dartmouth
said

Well..welll...wellll....!!!! Another one in the growing line of Flip Flops!!!!! The one and ONLY thing that is consistent here is Mr. Ignatieff seems to smell a change in the wind and ....yes....a golden opportunity to defeat the duly elected Government...nothing more..!! He does'nt even agree with his own External Affairs advisor...Mr. Bob Rae....Mr. Tallie has to be laughing his skanky butt off....!!!! What with Mssrs. Ignatieff, Layton and Douceppe...the have the best friends in town.....Its too bad that the three stooges ( Mike, Jack and Gilles) here have lost site of the 152 lives our best whom none of them could equal on their worst day...!! Mr. Ignatieff...again....you and your 2 cohorts Jack and Gilles have absolutely no credibility..!!! I had more respect for you when you initially supported a very reasoned decision of our Prime Minister...Hmmmm I guess that is why Mr. Harper occupies 26 Sussex Drive and you don't..


Mark from Brampton
said

The Liberal party needs a person with more of a backbone to lead it. Does anyone have Dion's number handy?


Peter K
said

I wonder what his poistion will be tomorrow ?He's only saying this now because the NDP are planning on using one of their opposition days to hold a nonconfidence vote on this issue .


Havelock Heavy
said

I agree with extending the mission and I agree with it being debated in the house and allowing all parties to have their say. After all, that's what Mr. Harper had agreed to in the first place.


Jim-Surrey
said

Oh Iggy put a sock in it, join Campbell in the Fiberal ranks of being ineffective!


Bobo
said

This guy is a clown. Of course, all politicians are clowns. So logically, it shouldn't be a surprise that this guy is a clown.


Kath B
said

Ignatieff is saying that if Parliamentarians want to hold a vote than he is not opposed because the Liberal Party will support the Conservatives. He has said publicly a number of times that he thinks that Canadians need to stay in Afghanistan in order to ensure the goals of our mission have been met. A position I agree with, otherwise the Afghanistan mission becomes nothing more than an obscene waste of life. Maybe it would be easier if he draws diagrams to make it easier for his political opponents to understand. .


Iggy, pick a winnable fight!
said

Iggy...I think you make things worse for yourself when ever you open your mouth. Your polls go up when you are not in the headlines, flip flopping.The Liberals should take on the "New Veteran Charter", expose the abuse to our vets. This is an easy fight to win... curious, are they saving it for the next Liberal Leader to get points?


Bob in Ontario
said

Can this guy make a decision on his own. Iggy is reactive not pro-active. If some one in his party complains about not having a vote on keeping troops in Afghanistan longer then he changes his tune. Man O Man, he changes his mind more often then I change my underwear. Iggy, please come out and lay out what you think Canada should do and I do mean what you not anyone else, not some adviser but lets hear what you think. O, I Forgot, You Don’t Think For Your Self


charlie
said

Is it possible that Mr. Ignatieff can take a position and stick with it for more than a single week? This man flips and flops so much he oscillates. Continuous vacillation is hardly "leadership" to inspire Canadians.


Donaldbain
said

Of course he is open to a parliamentary debate and vote, any chance to score cheap political points and slag the government while actually supporting them is right up his alley. "Which way is the wind blowing?" should be his next campaign slogan. Keeping our troops deployed should be a national referendum decision.


Mike in Pembroke
said

This guy can't make up his mind can he? It seems that as soon as someone from the Liberal party say, O, we should have a vote he jumps on the band wagon saying he is open to the idea. And you liberal supports want him to be the next PM. NOT IN YOUR DREAM. I sure won't support someone who can not make a decision on his own. It just shows how weak this man really is.


george in Calgary
said

It would be nice if this opposition party would discuss the real issues instead of being equal to a pair of flip flops on a grit-ty beach.


Mike
said

Iggy is like the weather....if you don't like what he has to say....wait 5 minutes....it will change!


Joe Canadian
said

This is hliarious....hey Iggy, how do you get dressed for work every day....if you are on the way into the building and someone tells you they like the green tie better, do you go home and get changed?Have the stones to make and stick with a decision.


Pugfire
said

Good old Iggy, never an original stand, or a stand he'll stick with. Reminds me of Wishy Washy Charlie Brown of Peanuts fame. Get a life!!


Catwoman 38
said

I wonder how many liberals will oppose to the current mission strategy. I know that the NDP, bloc are opposed.Afterall, the liberals tend to approach things differently.I think they should oppose to it because NATO themselves says with the way things are going over there is could take more then 4 years.We need a better plan with a exit strategy .


bryan owen sound
said

time to change my socks, Ignatieff has changed his mind again, Good thing its every 2dys man they would really start to stink.


CMQ
said

What boggles me the most about this guy more than anything else is his consistent flip flop on ideas and issues and how he seems to think Canadians are too naive, dumb or blind to notice. Iggy, who can take you seriously? Honestly, who can? I am amazed how often he changes his mind but won't admit it. That is the most outstanding thing of all!!!!!


Tori
said

See Iggy, I knew you would realize Harper is the PM and not you. Just took a long while before you decided to get on the bandwagon and let the current PM lead. When it is your turn (if) we, the Canadian public will let you know. Liberals, if I was you, I would find a new leader. We need someone strong, inventive, innovative, with ideas of his own and the leadership ability that would encourage the rest of us to follow.Right now I would not follow Iggy to a Santa Claus Parade.


KJ in Kingston Ontario
said

As always Afghanistan is a no-win.... Why have a vote -- are they going to defeat the government and fight an election on this....? Nobody could be that stupid.


gord
said

Iggy MAKE UP YOUR MIND!


Sam C
said

*howling with laughter!* You just gotta love a leader who leads by reaction! Take a position, wait to see what people's reaction is, change your position. I think there is a "Leadership Review" in Iggy's future.


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